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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Saddamochieng00(m): 12:04pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
You wont believe it - best part of TZ are those in northern near kenya border (Chagga-maasai-mara) - and they areas at southern border of kenya - are some worse - with Maasai mostly.

You could say without kenya influence/infra/trade - that has given some positive spin to it's northern region - TZ is hell hole. Outside the few highways - it just waste land without infrastracture.


The guy has been fooling people here all this time. Wonder why he can't ever post anything that isn't touristy.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 12:14pm On Apr 30, 2023

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 12:15pm On Apr 30, 2023
Saddamochieng00:


The guy has been fooling people here all this time. Wonder why he can't ever post anything that isn't touristy.
Outside dar n areas bordering kenya rest are one huge underdeveloped areas.Even tourism areas he post are kilimanjaro at Kenya border n serengeti which border maasai mara.They only developed because tourist access it from kenya which has advanced basic infrastructure. The chagga , tarimes, luos,maasai who are better off trade and immigrate with/to Kenya...rest of Bongolala is huge wilderness
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 12:18pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Kenya should have overtaken Ghana this year
That's brain drain.It's a huge loss to these developing African nations
Nothing to celebrate
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 12:20pm On Apr 30, 2023
GeneralDae:

I'll check again for the data but while Kenya is doing well lately in terms of remittances, I think Ghana has the advantage over Kenya going forward because of this huge interest of the black Americans in Ghana.
Kenya this year should be 4.5b..Ghana 4.2b or around. Black American go to Ghana and settle in Kenya after realising Ghana is undeveloped zoo.Kenya professional are getting more online work with all forex n crypto trading.In next 5yrs kenya is focusing on formal exports of labour. Kenya current figures underestimate remittance received as they many efficient money transfer options..Treasury minister has alluded to changing methodology to track more.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 12:23pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:

That's brain drain.It's a huge loss to these developing African nations
Nothing to celebrate
it's not a loss when your economy is gaining massively from it.

It's a big contribution to the world most developed countries economies.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 12:26pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:

That's brain drain.It's a huge loss to these developing African nations
Nothing to celebrate
Yes if you're exporting doctors n engineers n professional..but exporting house maids n drivers to Saudi Arabia is not.Kenya will focus on exporting maids,plumbers,drivers, operators to mostly middle east
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 12:27pm On Apr 30, 2023
Just40:
it's not a loss when your economy is gaining massively from it.

It's a big contribution to the world most developed countries economies.
How does big contribution to advanced economies develop Ghana.You need to look out for your own interest..including mental health

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 12:34pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Kenya this year should be 4.5b..Ghana 4.2b or around. Black American go to Ghana and settle in Kenya after realising Ghana is undeveloped zoo.Kenya professional are getting more online work with all forex n crypto trading.In next 5yrs kenya is focusing on formal exports of labour. Kenya current figures underestimate remittance received as they many efficient money transfer options..Treasury minister has alluded to changing methodology to track more.
Your statement is not supported by any fact.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8dbVxfk9Vg

Infact they leave Kenya in droves because of how undeveloped and a big ZOO your country is. They come back to Ghana as documented by goblacktoAfrica

Remittances is growing at a higher percentage in Ghana than Kenya ... Overtaking Ghana is wishful thinking

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 12:37pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Yes if you're exporting doctors n engineers n professional..but exporting house maids n drivers to Saudi Arabia is not.Kenya will focus on exporting maids,plumbe smileyrs,drivers, operators to mostly middle east
If u send labourers with no skill,yes,but plumbers shouldn't go.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 12:37pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
How does big contribution to advanced economies develop Ghana.You need to look out for your own interest..including mental health

A question that a sensible person won't ask because the correlation already exist but a lunatic won't understand.

I've always asked you to seek mental health treatment cause you shouldn't be walking on the streets of Nairobi

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 12:41pm On Apr 30, 2023
Just40:
it's not a loss when your economy is gaining massively from it.

It's a big contribution to the world most developed countries economies.
Gaining massively by sending doctors away? Engineers and professionals?
It's a very sad move. Africa needs these folks badly but we end up losing them day after day. Sad.
Tanzania is strongly discourage that thing.we need them in TZ more than they are needed in developed nations,and we spent monies big monies to educate them
In magufuli days,we had a big debate on how can we block them from leaving.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 12:50pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Outside dar n areas bordering kenya rest are one huge underdeveloped areas.Even tourism areas he post are kilimanjaro at Kenya border n serengeti which border maasai mara.They only developed because tourist access it from kenya which has advanced basic infrastructure. The chagga , tarimes, luos,maasai who are better off trade and immigrate with/to Kenya...rest of Bongolala is huge wilderness
Dar is the most developed region in TZ,followed by unguja island,Zanzibar. All these 2 are miles and miles away from kenyan border
You are totally mistaken.Tanzanian development are spread out throughout the country, unlike in ķenya where Turkana is completely a different world with upperhill in Nairobi. Even the same Nairobi kibera is another different world comparing with Karen or muthaiga.
Serengeti isn't developed as u think.It's vast,a and wilderness all over.

Zanzibar has more tourists than any area in TZ followed by arusha.

So,is Zanzibar close to kenya?
Is Dar close to kenya?
In short,most tourists are using Zanzibar airport as the entry followed by Kilimanjaro airport.Very few tourist use a kenyan border

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae: 12:53pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:

That's brain drain.It's a huge loss to these developing African nations
Nothing to celebrate
There's also the positive side to brain drain especially students going to further their studies. It brings in foreign investments later from successful immigrants.

Our tech space in Nigeria is at least 60% dominated by Nigerians who went to the likes of U.S.A and U.K.

China and India have also utilized this to their advantage.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 12:54pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:
Gaining massively by sending doctors away? Engineers and professionals?
It's a very sad move. Africa needs these folks badly but we end up losing them day after day. Sad.
Tanzania is strongly discourage that thing.we need them in TZ more than they are needed in developed nations,and we spent monies big monies to educate them
In magufuli days,we had a big debate on how can we block them from leaving.
Yes.. They practice globally and at the fore front of medical innovations which they impact back home through monthly services and teach new medical students.

This is how Swedes, Norwegian and other Scandinavian countries leads huge global R&Ds and Patent

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 12:55pm On Apr 30, 2023
Saddamochieng00:


The guy has been fooling people here all this time. Wonder why he can't ever post anything that isn't touristy.
Ýou talk like a west African

What u mean by anything touristy?

Is constructing SGR also a touristy?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 1:00pm On Apr 30, 2023
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GeneralDae:

There's also the positive side to brain drain especially students going to further their studies. It brings in foreign investments later from successful immigrants.

Our tech space in Nigeria is at least 60% dominated by Nigerians who went to the likes of U.S.A and U.K.

China and India have also utilized this to their advantage.

Of course anything in life has some positive side.
Yes,migrants can send money and do something back home.

But the bad side is always bigger especially for African professionals who mostly don't return.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 1:01pm On Apr 30, 2023
GeneralDae:

There's also the positive side to brain drain especially students going to further their studies. It brings in foreign investments later from successful immigrants.

Our tech space in Nigeria is at least 60% dominated by Nigerians who went to the likes of U.S.A and U.K.

China and India have also utilized this to their advantage.
Yes if they relocate back..definitely. Chinese did the same.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 1:03pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:
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Of course anything in life has some positive side.
Yes,migrants can send money and do something back home.

But the bad side is always bigger especially for African professionals who mostly don't return.
Remittance also dries up after one generation as the kids will have no attachments to Africa and will become African Americans.Exporting Labour should be stop gap measures as you fix your economy to generate jobs.Its more terrible to keep people you can't gainful employ
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 1:04pm On Apr 30, 2023
Just40:
Yes.. They practice globally and at the fore front of medical innovations which they impact back home through monthly services and teach new medical students.

This is how Swedes, Norwegian and other Scandinavian countries leads huge global R&Ds and Patent
The question is,
How many of those professionals are teaching new skills back in Africa or Ghana? Definitely less than 1% of professionals who left are willing to give the gained knowledge back home.

In a bigger picture,Africa is loosing and some folks are busy celebrating instead of weeping loudly
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 1:05pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Remittance also dries up after one generation as the kids will have no attachments to Africa and will become African Americans.Exporting Labour should be stop gap measures as you fix your economy to generate jobs.Its more terrible to keep people you can't gainful employ
And the same remittances push up local inflation
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 1:09pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:
The question is,
How many of those professionals are teaching new skills back in Africa or Ghana? Definitely less than 1% of professionals who left are willing to give the gained knowledge back home.

In a bigger picture,Africa is loosing and some folks are busy celebrating instead of weeping loudly
Almost all of them, to the best of my Knowledge.
They come back every quarter to lead and give back knowledge, they also share research papers with their Ghanaian colleagues.

Infact to be considered to lead professional bodies in Ghana, you must be able to connect with Ghanaian professionals at the forefront of their fields to network.
It's a good thing, your country gain on 3 fronts or more

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 1:09pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Remittance also dries up after one generation as the kids will have no attachments to Africa and will become African Americans.Exporting Labour should be stop gap measures as you fix your economy to generate jobs.Its more terrible to keep people you can't gainful employ
Yes exporting labourers and other low skilled folks should be temporary while u are busy at fixing economy,and more importantly fixing the education system which made these folks to remain unskilled
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 1:12pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:
And the same remittances push up local inflation
Yes. I think focus should be on remote work...many young Kenyans who write n speak good English are doing well earning money in their pajamas. This future of work.That is why Kenya is investing in 100,000kms of fiber and creating digital economy. Tanzania you need to learn England bro.Come for English teachers from Kenya..who can teach in Swahili
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 1:15pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:
Yes exporting labourers and other low skilled folks should be temporary while u are busy at fixing economy,and more importantly fixing the education system which made these folks to remain unskilled
mostly educated people immigrate which invalidate your claim. The jobs come from investment. Poor country cannot get investment until it saves.The country start to save when people have 1 or 2 kids.They leave money in the banks.This deposits is lent to people with viable business ideas.Those people create jobs.That economic takeoff.For now we have to relie on foreign debt ,foreign investment and export labour. In near future banks will be awash with local cash at cheap rate to dished out to anyone with half baked idea..to create industries and firms...jobs start becoming plentiful..pressure to immigrate eases
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 1:22pm On Apr 30, 2023
Just40:
Almost all of them, to the best of my Knowledge.
They come back every quarter to lead and give back knowledge, they also share research papers with their Ghanaian colleagues.

It's a good thing, your country gain on 3 fronts or more
Easy saying than actual thing on ground.

Bringing back the knowledge can't work that way.

Governments (African governments ) should come up with the program to Send some few folks away to gain knowledge and then impart it back home.This isn't easy since most Africans are unpatriotic and corrupt. Again,most African nations lack a long term visions on how to attain their goals. Example, A gov can decide to send few folks away for gaining knowledge, few years down the line,a new regime comes to power,they decide to not care about the program,and they start their new thing.Fast forward few years,the folks in a foreign land are marrying foreign women,taking those new citizenship,and the whole program dies. Or the few tough ones who decides to return,they come back,and the new regime don't care about them

That's what happens in Ghana and most of Africa. You get a Ghanaian in US doing a brain surgery,and Africans are going to US daily for medical treatment, but the same Africans can't go to Ghana for medical treatments while u have a huge number of Ghanaians in diaspora performing the same surgeries

The ones in diaspora and the gov back home are not in "sync"
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 1:26pm On Apr 30, 2023
Its rare to find west African with intention to comeback.I have met 70yr olds with no desire.They have give up after many hopeless try.Their kids definitely wont.In kenya almost everyone plans to come because outside of lack of jobs everything works.
Kazikazi:

Easy saying than actual thing on ground.

Bringing back the knowledge can't work that way.

Governments (African governments ) should come up with the program to Send some few folks away to gain knowledge and then impart it back home.This isn't easy since most Africans are unpatriotic and corrupt. Again,most African nations lack a long term visions on how to attain their goals. Example, A gov can decide to send few folks away for gaining knowledge, few years down the line,a new regime comes to power,they decide to not care about the program,and they start their new thing.Fast forward few years,the folks in a foreign land are marrying foreign women,taking those new citizenship,and the whole program dies. Or the few tough ones who decides to return,they come back,and the new regime don't care about them

That's what happens in Ghana and most of Africa. You get a Ghanaian in US doing a brain surgery,and Africans are going to US daily for medical treatment, but the same Africans can't go to Ghana for medical treatments while u have a huge number of Ghanaians in diaspora performing the same surgeries

The ones in diaspora and the gov back home are not in "sync"
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 1:31pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:

Easy saying than actual thing on ground.

Bringing back the knowledge can't work that way.

Governments (African governments ) should come up with the program to Send some few folks away to gain knowledge and then impart it back home.This isn't easy since most Africans are unpatriotic and corrupt. Again,most African nations lack a long term visions on how to attain their goals. Example, A gov can decide to send few folks away for gaining knowledge, few years down the line,a new regime comes to power,they decide to not care about the program,and they start their new thing.Fast forward few years,the folks in a foreign land are marrying foreign women,taking those new citizenship,and the whole program dies. Or the few tough ones who decides to return,they come back,and the new regime don't care about them

That's what happens in Ghana and most of Africa. You get a Ghanaian in US doing a brain surgery,and Africans are going to US daily for medical treatment, but the same Africans can't go to Ghana for medical treatments while u have a huge number of Ghanaians in diaspora performing the same surgeries

The ones in diaspora and the gov back home are not in "sync"
In Ghana, it's the opposite.

For some reason Ghanaians prefer to make an impact on where they come from. And because 6 big universities are responsible for creating these professionals, people almost knows everyone and in which field they practice and where they've travelled to (this is one of Ghana's biggest problems)

Ghanaians are more loyal to their secondary schools and university halls than anything and that kind of social network always bring them back to impact.
Even if they don't want to come, their friends impress on them to come back.

It is easy to find even Ghanaian medical students abroad bringing their entire class to Ghana for an outreach.

The country does not even need to play a role

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 1:37pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Yes. I think focus should be on remote work...many young Kenyans who write n speak good English are doing well earning money in their pajamas. This future of work.That is why Kenya is investing in 100,000kms of fiber and creating digital economy. Tanzania you need to learn England bro.Come for English teachers from Kenya..who can teach in Swahili
A kenyan brain at full display

Son,English has its part,no one is fighting English. Actually, English is the most important human language in the universe. In TZ,English is official language together with Swahili.But, its stupid to think Kenyans know English.No. kenya is not know as English speaking nation.You have your vernacular tongues which u are good at.In England, a kenyan is given English test before admission, that is what the UK did when they wanted to employ kenyan nurses.They gave them English test,out of hundreds kenyan nurses,about 10 passed.
English is not yours.

Then u talk of remote work.Good,but that is a drop I the ocean.
To develop a nation as poor as kenya,your focus should be on areas which can pull millions out of poverty, and that means you have to put your focus on agriculture, manufacturing, tourism and logistics.

Show me those 100,000 kms of fibre, you lying bastard.
Tanzania has longer fibre and stil growing,but u with no funds u talk of 100,000?
hohohohohohohohoho

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 2:08pm On Apr 30, 2023
Kazikazi:
A kenyan brain at full display

Son,English has its part,no one is fighting English. Actually, English is the most important human language in the universe. In TZ,English is official language together with Swahili.But, its stupid to think Kenyans know English.No. kenya is not know as English speaking nation.You have your vernacular tongues which u are good at.In England, a kenyan is given English test before admission, that is what the UK did when they wanted to employ kenyan nurses.They gave them English test,out of hundreds kenyan nurses,about 10 passed.
English is not yours.

Then u talk of remote work.Good,but that is a drop I the ocean.
To develop a nation as poor as kenya,your focus should be on areas which can pull millions out of poverty, and that means you have to put your focus on agriculture, manufacturing, tourism and logistics.

Show me those 100,000 kms of fibre, you lying bastard.
Tanzania has longer fibre and stil growing,but u with no funds u talk of 100,000?
hohohohohohohohoho
Tanzania just don't know English. Don't get angry when confronted with facts.Kenya maybe not be native English speakers but we are very good in our native language, Swahili n English.Kenya fiber to home connection already exceed a million out of 12 million households n maybe another 2 million businesses enterprises. Kenya is working towards ensuring fiber reaches everyone soon.We have maybe 10m household with electricity meters..we will string fiber along the electricity line.That way kenya investment in education pays.Already kenya are well regarded in academic writing or cheating...Kenya are also leading in online work..crypto..of course Africa best quality of education. Tanzania please review your failed education system..you cannot teach kids in swahili for 10 years then switch to English in last four years...decide..stick to Swahili or English
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 2:17pm On Apr 30, 2023
Labor CS, Florence Bore, says Kenya has signed labor agreement with Saudi Arabia where about 130, 000 opportunities have been identified for qualified Kenyans to tap into.Gov is working to avoid dirty employment agents while building safe houses..following Philippines n many Asia countries that export labour while protecting their people
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 2:20pm On Apr 30, 2023
rvp20182:
Tanzania just don't know English. Don't get angry when confronted with facts.Kenya maybe not be native English speakers but we are very good in our native language, Swahili n English.Kenya fiber to home connection already exceed a million out of 12 million households n maybe another 2 million businesses enterprises. Kenya is working towards ensuring fiber reaches everyone soon.We have maybe 10m household with electricity meters..we will string fiber along the electricity line.That way kenya investment in education pays.Already kenya are well regarded in academic writing or cheating...Kenya are also leading in online work..crypto..of course Africa best quality of education. Tanzania please review your failed education system..you cannot teach kids in swahili for 10 years then switch to English in last four years...decide..stick to Swahili or English
I wonder where you get this idea that Kenya is leading Africa in Crypto.

1. Nigeria - 13 million

According to Triple-A, Nigeria has more cryptocurrency holders than any other African country. Yes, in Nigeria, more than 10 million people own cryptocurrency despite the ban by the country’s apex bank. Nigeria is also the #1 country worldwide in terms of the number of people searching for “Bitcoin” and “Crypto” keywords on Google.

2. Kenya - 4.5million

Second on the list is Kenya, with an estimated 4.5 million people owning cryptocurrency. Kenya leads the way in terms of holdings and blockchain-related transactions and ranks among the top African countries for trading volume on peer-to-peer platforms. Kenya also ranks within the top ten worldwide on the topic of “cryptocurrency” on Google.

3. South Africa - 4.2million


https://africa.businessinsider.com/local/markets/top-5-african-countries-with-the-most-cryptocurrency-holders/2tvh7r5

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