Masterviolence:
I still wonder why the Russians are this lenient, they let the Ukrainians carryout a sabotage before striking them calling it a retaliatory strike.

Ukraine won't achieving anything from the so hyped counteroffensive.

Because if your enemy decide where you fight,
Know where, how and when to strike, that enemy is impossible to beat.

The worse situation is when your enemy's strikes can't be prevented, or avoided.

ken6488:
Reports of Russian Tu-95M bombers in the air near Ukraine & submarines in the Black Sea appear to be accurate. We are potentially looking at a Russian escalation (conventional) in Ukraine, probably in retaliation for recent Ukrainian strikes.


10 sub marine are mobilized in the black sea

bassdow:


We already know Russia isn't interestted in Fighting Ukraine, they're more interested in draining the West & it's NATO counterparts, through Ukraine. See this more like a slow death. Should things happen quicker, Ukraine would loose more, but when events occurs slower, it's Western & NATO backers are those to make looses, even though either way, Ukraine go still suffer looses.
Hopefully, Russia doesn't end up making a mistake, because that's all it would take for the WEST + NATO to Nail them.

Meanwhile, take Putin away from the picture, there are lots of people in Russia who would have escalated things to Full Scare war since

bassdow:


We already know Russia isn't interestted in Fighting Ukraine, they're more interested in draining the West & it's NATO counterparts, through Ukraine. See this more like a slow death. Should things happen quicker, Ukraine would loose more, but when events occurs slower, it's Western & NATO backers are those to make looses, even though either way, Ukraine go still suffer looses.
Hopefully, Russia doesn't end up making a mistake, because that's all it would take for the WEST + NATO to Nail them.

Meanwhile, take Putin away from the picture, there are lots of people in Russia who would have escalated things to Full Scare war since

bassdow:


We already know Russia isn't interestted in Fighting Ukraine, they're more interested in draining the West & it's NATO counterparts, through Ukraine. See this more like a slow death. Should things happen quicker, Ukraine would loose more, but when events occurs slower, it's Western & NATO backers are those to make looses, even though either way, Ukraine go still suffer looses.
Hopefully, Russia doesn't end up making a mistake, because that's all it would take for the WEST + NATO to Nail them.

Meanwhile, take Putin away from the picture, there are lots of people in Russia who would have escalated things to Full Scare war since

Masterviolence:

The reason i support Russia in this war is because they're on the right side of history.

In the military perspective, Russia is fighting a far bigger enemy, if not for her advanced military technologies, NATO would probably be in Moscow by now.

History has shown that a prolonged war is not really beneficial.
u.s in Vietnam, Afghanistan etc
ussr in Afghanistan.

The only reason i feel they're about to change history is because:
1. A large percentage of the world is with Russia on this war in Ukraine.
2. Russia always win in any war threatening her national security.
the list goes on and on.

Tiopii:



How is Russia on the right side of History and which large percentage of the world is with Russia?
This war isn't threatening Russia's national security, Russia is threatening Ukraine's national security. who's the aggressor? who gave up nuclear arsenals in guarantee for peace? Read more bros and stop following Nairaland propaganda

Tiopii:




The only country being drained is Russia, Russia is already in war economy, neither the West or the US is in war economy with the crippling sanctions, their biggest support China already said they won't be involved in the war as they rather want peace. China needs the West more than the West needs China, and Russia need China more than Chima need Russia.

Most of the arms provided to Ukraine were made in the 90s no modern tech has been made available and see what they are doing on the battlefield.

Russia has lost their economy and are now subversive to China, lost their Military prowess as a result of the performance of their military in the war. After the war regardless of outcome Russia would have it hard to be the Russia they were pre war time.

Most of the wars Russia fought were against smaller and far weaker nations, and even the WW2, Stalin said without America's Lend Lease programme they would have lost. they had the west and the US as allies.

War could go either way but Russia isn't having it easy at all

Tiopii:




The only country being drained is Russia, Russia is already in war economy, neither the West or the US is in war economy with the crippling sanctions, their biggest support China already said they won't be involved in the war as they rather want peace. China needs the West more than the West needs China, and Russia need China more than Chima need Russia.

Most of the arms provided to Ukraine were made in the 90s no modern tech has been made available and see what they are doing on the battlefield.

Russia has lost their economy and are now subversive to China, lost their Military prowess as a result of the performance of their military in the war. After the war regardless of outcome Russia would have it hard to be the Russia they were pre war time.

Most of the wars Russia fought were against smaller and far weaker nations, and even the WW2, Stalin said without America's Lend Lease programme they would have lost. they had the west and the US as allies.

War could go either way but Russia isn't having it easy at all

Masterviolence:

Coming to tell me i should read up is some peak level of sarcasm

If you're a good student of history there won't be any problem understanding what I'll write here.
Ukraine historically was never an independent state, it was huge land that has been contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers for over 600 years, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia.
But In the 17th century, Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire, after series of agreements between the powers at that time, including financial statements to claim ownership of kyiv and other parts Ukraine.

Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire in the 1680s (17th century as written above).


To make it brief, in 1991 after the dissolution of the Soviet union, Ukraine became an independent state for the first time in it existence. It shouldn't be easily forgotten that in Russia existence, every invasion has been through Ukraine.

So tell me why is Ukraine not behaving as a state that Russia has made it to be.
Ukraine cannot judge the leadership of the Russian federation because of a man named Joseph Stalin who is not even a Russian by a Georgian.
[b]During the time of the Soviet union, there were more Ukrainian president than Russia'[/b]s.
Ukraine as a state inherited most of the Soviet union possessions after Russia.
So tell me, was Russia really treating Ukraine bad.?

Is it Russia's fault that there were more pro-russian in the government of Ukraine? shouldn't this be as a result of there history and ethical relationship.

Did Russia invade Ukraine before the infiltration of the west in 2013?
Russia can simply not sit back to allow the west to use her sibling to invade him in the future that's you Russia invade Crimea in 2014, not because they want war, but because Russia owns a navy base in sevastopol which was supposed to be there until 2040 according to the agreements between the two countries.

Now tell me is Russia not in the right side of history? for her adversary to use her siblings against him?
For NATO that was created because of the Soviet union including for the detriment of Ukraine to suddenly want to side with NATO to destroy mother Russia when Russia has done nothing wrong to Ukraine, is something not suspicious?

And your last question.
If you understand how power dynamics works you'll know that those nukes belongs to Russia. And because they gave it up for peace doesn't guarantee that if Ukraine start becoming hostile to Russia, Russia should sit back and behave as if nothing is happening because a treaty was signed, and innocents are losing their lives.

Please know history before engaging me next time.
I don't have the energy to lecture anyone, the internet is there for a reason.

Masterviolence:

Coming to tell me i should read up is some peak level of sarcasm

If you're a good student of history there won't be any problem understanding what I'll write here.
Ukraine historically was never an independent state, it was huge land that has been contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers for over 600 years, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia.
But In the 17th century, Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire, after series of agreements between the powers at that time, including financial statements to claim ownership of kyiv and other parts Ukraine.

Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire in the 1680s (17th century as written above).


To make it brief, in 1991 after the dissolution of the Soviet union, Ukraine became an independent state for the first time in it existence. It shouldn't be easily forgotten that in Russia existence, every invasion has been through Ukraine.

So tell me why is Ukraine not behaving as a state that Russia has made it to be.
Ukraine cannot judge the leadership of the Russian federation because of a man named Joseph Stalin who is not even a Russian by a Georgian.
During the time of the Soviet union, there were more Ukrainian president than Russia's.
Ukraine as a state inherited most of the Soviet union possessions after Russia.
So tell me, was Russia really treating Ukraine bad.?

Is it Russia's fault that there were more pro-russian in the government of Ukraine? shouldn't this be as a result of there history and ethical relationship.

Did Russia invade Ukraine before the infiltration of the west in 2013?
Russia can simply not sit back to allow the west to use her sibling to invade him in the future that's you Russia invade Crimea in 2014, not because they want war, but because Russia owns a navy base in sevastopol which was supposed to be there until 2040 according to the agreements between the two countries.

Now tell me is Russia not in the right side of history? for her adversary to use her siblings against him?
For NATO that was created because of the Soviet union including for the detriment of Ukraine to suddenly want to side with NATO to destroy mother Russia when Russia has done nothing wrong to Ukraine, is something not suspicious?

And your last question.
If you understand how power dynamics works you'll know that those nukes belongs to Russia. And because they gave it up for peace doesn't guarantee that if Ukraine start becoming hostile to Russia, Russia should sit back and behave as if nothing is happening because a treaty was signed, and innocents are losing their lives.

Please know history before engaging me next time.
I don't have the energy to lecture anyone, the internet is there for a reason.

mysticwarrior:
You are somehow right here, Yakov Cherevichenko and Semyon Timoshenko held the highest military rank in the USSR during the Soviet era and both men were Ukrainians. Konstantin Chernenko who was the leader of the Soviet union from 1984 untill his death in 1985 was also a Ukrainian.

Boldtrust:

avid Russian propagandist spotted Their lies never end

Masterviolence:

Not having the same opinion as you has automatically made me a propagandist.

If you have nothing reasonable to say don't quote me.

Boldtrust:


you called my response "nothing", why then did you respond to it? Why would anyone respond to NOTHING? you keep feeding people with Russian lies.

Masterviolence:

Not having the same opinion as you has automatically made me a propagandist.

If you have Nothing reasonable to say don't quote me.

Boldtrust:


you called my response "nothing", why then did you respond to it? Why would anyone respond to NOTHING? you keep feeding people with Russian lies.

Masterviolence:

I carefully select the words I use here.




Good luck trying to be a nit-picker, when there's nothing to nit-pick.

I'm 7 steps ahead of you in this game

bassdow:


Okay

Tiopii:




The only country being drained is Russia, Russia is already in war economy, neither the West or the US is in war economy with the crippling sanctions, their biggest support China already said they won't be involved in the war as they rather want peace. China needs the West more than the West needs China, and Russia need China more than Chima need Russia.

Most of the arms provided to Ukraine were made in the 90s no modern tech has been made available and see what they are doing on the battlefield.

Russia has lost their economy and are now subversive to China, lost their Military prowess as a result of the performance of their military in the war. After the war regardless of outcome Russia would have it hard to be the Russia they were pre war time.

Most of the wars Russia fought were against smaller and far weaker nations, and even the WW2, Stalin said without America's Lend Lease programme they would have lost. they had the west and the US as allies.

War could go either way but Russia isn't having it easy at all

Masterviolence:

Coming to tell me i should read up is some peak level of sarcasm

If you're a good student of history there won't be any problem understanding what I'll write here.
Ukraine historically was never an independent state, it was huge land that has been contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers for over 600 years, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia.
But In the 17th century, Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire, after series of agreements between the powers at that time, including financial statements to claim ownership of kyiv and other parts Ukraine.

Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire in the 1680s (17th century as written above).


To make it brief, in 1991 after the dissolution of the Soviet union, Ukraine became an independent state for the first time in it existence. It shouldn't be easily forgotten that in Russia existence, every invasion has been through Ukraine.

So tell me why is Ukraine not behaving as a state that Russia has made it to be.
Ukraine cannot judge the leadership of the Russian federation because of a man named Joseph Stalin who is not even a Russian by a Georgian.
During the time of the Soviet union, there were more Ukrainian president than Russia's.
Ukraine as a state inherited most of the Soviet union possessions after Russia.
So tell me, was Russia really treating Ukraine bad.?

Is it Russia's fault that there were more pro-russian in the government of Ukraine? shouldn't this be as a result of there history and ethical relationship.

Did Russia invade Ukraine before the infiltration of the west in 2013?
Russia can simply not sit back to allow the west to use her sibling to invade him in the future that's you Russia invade Crimea in 2014, not because they want war, but because Russia owns a navy base in sevastopol which was supposed to be there until 2040 according to the agreements between the two countries.

Now tell me is Russia not in the right side of history? for her adversary to use her siblings against him?
For NATO that was created because of the Soviet union including for the detriment of Ukraine to suddenly want to side with NATO to destroy mother Russia when Russia has done nothing wrong to Ukraine, is something not suspicious?

And your last question.
If you understand how power dynamics works you'll know that those nukes belongs to Russia. And because they gave it up for peace doesn't guarantee that if Ukraine start becoming hostile to Russia, Russia should sit back and behave as if nothing is happening because a treaty was signed, and innocents are losing their lives.

Please know history before engaging me next time.
I don't have the energy to lecture anyone, the internet is there for a reason.

Masterviolence:

Coming to tell me i should read up is some peak level of sarcasm

If you're a good student of history there won't be any problem understanding what I'll write here.
Ukraine historically was never an independent state, it was huge land that has been contested, divided, and ruled by a variety of external powers for over 600 years, including the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austrian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Tsardom of Russia.
But In the 17th century, Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire, after series of agreements between the powers at that time, including financial statements to claim ownership of kyiv and other parts Ukraine.

Ukraine became part of the Russian Empire in the 1680s (17th century as written above).


To make it brief, in 1991 after the dissolution of the Soviet union, Ukraine became an independent state for the first time in it existence. It shouldn't be easily forgotten that in Russia existence, every invasion has been through Ukraine.

So tell me why is Ukraine not behaving as a state that Russia has made it to be.
Ukraine cannot judge the leadership of the Russian federation because of a man named Joseph Stalin who is not even a Russian by a Georgian.
During the time of the Soviet union, there were more Ukrainian president than Russia's.
Ukraine as a state inherited most of the Soviet union possessions after Russia.
So tell me, was Russia really treating Ukraine bad.?

Is it Russia's fault that there were more pro-russian in the government of Ukraine? shouldn't this be as a result of there history and ethical relationship.

Did Russia invade Ukraine before the infiltration of the west in 2013?
Russia can simply not sit back to allow the west to use her sibling to invade him in the future that's you Russia invade Crimea in 2014, not because they want war, but because Russia owns a navy base in sevastopol which was supposed to be there until 2040 according to the agreements between the two countries.

Now tell me is Russia not in the right side of history? for her adversary to use her siblings against him?
For NATO that was created because of the Soviet union including for the detriment of Ukraine to suddenly want to side with NATO to destroy mother Russia when Russia has done nothing wrong to Ukraine, is something not suspicious?

And your last question.
If you understand how power dynamics works you'll know that those nukes belongs to Russia. And because they gave it up for peace doesn't guarantee that if Ukraine start bec
oming hostile to Russia, Russia should sit back and behave as if nothing is happening because a treaty was signed, and innocents are losing their lives.

Please know history before engaging me next time.
I don't have the energy to lecture anyone, the internet is there for a reason.

fydence:
I have seen ignorance..but this is a beauty..Well done!