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Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by AutoConsult: 11:39am On May 14, 2023 |
ukaface:Dey play. They set monthly financial targets for pastors. A Pastor of a church in Living Faith for example must remit a particular amount of money to the headquarters by the end of the month, and he'll be on probation if he fails, maybe even get sacked if he continues to fail to meet the targets. That's why they preach "bring money to pastor" every Sunday. 2 Likes |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by mastermaestro(m): 11:39am On May 14, 2023 |
jesusjnr2020: I expected you to back up your epistle with examples of the rubbish he purportedly began to preach so we can comment objectively. Do the needful please. |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by enthronedbyGod1: 11:43am On May 14, 2023 |
jesusjnr2020: I quite agree with you as regards the financial standards, but I disagree in that of attendance.. The perfect will of God is for all mankind to be saved, even our Lord Jesus told His disciples when He departed the earth to go into the world and preach the gospel to every creature. This meant that He expected them to win souls through the help of the Holy Spirit. The problem isn't in the population standard, but in the way they go about trying to achieve it. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by jesusjnr2020(m): 11:43am On May 14, 2023 |
OkCornel:Hi bro. What's up? Good morning. |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Fortune118005(m): 11:48am On May 14, 2023 |
What you said is true I have a lot to say sha but the Bible says that we should not leave the Ancient Landmark that our fathers have set up.Remove not the ancient landmark, which your fathers have set. -- Proverbs 22:28 The move of God is determined by our action to return back to the path of Ancient Christianity. It is not by mere saying it. If we are saying we should return by words and we do not backup our words with deliberate actions to return to the ways of our Fathers in the Faith, we are not yet ready. What many Christians are practicing now is modern Christianity; we are neglecting the Ancient Christianity that the early apostles and Fathers in the Faith have established, for modern form of Christianity. God cannot be modernized. Malachi 3:6 says that He change not. God cannot change. Even His Son, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever Hebrews 13:8 so why should we change our pattern of Christianity to the modern day taste? Why are we forsaking the Ancient path of Christianity? We are actually avoiding the move of God if we refuse to return or if we are reluctant to return back to the Ancient Landmark. The Ancient Landmark is the platform on which the early Apostles and Fathers of Faith operated Christianity upon which made them to see and experience the RAW POWER OF GOD. The Ancient Landmark is a platform for "PRACTICAL" Christianity. The manifestation of the power of God is largely depending on the practical decisions and deliberate actions of a generation to move from the modern Christianity to Ancient Christianity. Isaiah 30:21 says, "...this is the way, walk ye in it....." The way is the Ancient Path of Christianity. We are advised to walk in it. Walk in the ways of the believers of Old. Walk in the ways of our Fathers of Faith. Walk in the ways of the Early Apostles. Shalom. Emaprince: |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Nobody: 11:51am On May 14, 2023 |
Define rubbish. |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by ukaface(f): 12:00pm On May 14, 2023 |
AutoConsult:Nawa o If I tell you say this thing no shock me na lie I Dey lie 1 Like |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by blahc007: 12:02pm On May 14, 2023 |
Majesty7: Nobody says you need a pastor to do so.. I have a way I understand my own things oo.... Wen people talk, I listen to the motive behind the talk, not the talk..... That bros is this category of believers who believe pastors are being worshipped too much and because of that they stopped going to church.....he is in the category of "know God for yourself, you don't need a pastor" @bolded is exactly what I believe he wanted to say in the post, not what he wrote....that's why I brought that scripture. Well, I don't like being quick to conclude, I no dey de guy mind.....I'm just using logic to understand his heart Intent. |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by jesusjnr2020(m): 12:05pm On May 14, 2023 |
enthronedbyGod1:I don't agree with you because that goes contrary to the example and teachings of Christ since Christ never did that or encouraged such. Instructing them to preach the Gospel is not the same thing as setting attendance targets. It's like saying man plants... and man gives or determines the increase, not God. It's not up to man to determine that except to follow the example and teaching of Jesus including preaching the Gospel as He instructed us to do. That alone should be the target. Anything else like setting result or attendance targets is misguided and could only lead to compromising that target because preaching of the Gospel doesn guarantee winning of souls. There are some places Jesus Himself preached and they wanted to stone Him. Some, the whole nation embraced Him. Hence the result of our preaching shouldn't be our priority but to preach the Gospel otherwise we may get discouraged and lose the real target. Thanks for sharing your view though. God bless you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Kukutenla: 12:06pm On May 14, 2023 |
Majesty7:It's not a question of preaching alone but logic. Any soul that's added to the church will contribute his quota to the church financially. Will that not increase the church's finances |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by farem: 12:06pm On May 14, 2023 |
jesusjnr2020: You're bringing out a point BUT the problem with many of you critics is that you will NEVER produce the IDEAL system that you crave. When are you going to establish your own PERFECT church at least to show these 'wrong' ones? Tallk, they say, is cheap. #EnuOse #AriwoKoNiMusic |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by blahc007: 12:09pm On May 14, 2023 |
GreatAchiever1: I didn't misunderstand him... I feel that bros wan talk something, wey em no talk well....na my thought o....I didn't say God told me That my scriptural reference is a response to what he was saying, but didn't say...😂(abeg ah no wan confuse u o) Well, what I'm saying is, the bros is probably in the category of the "Know God for yourself, you don't need a pastor" And na wetin em wan talk, but em no talk am... |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by BalticGold: 12:10pm On May 14, 2023 |
A born again child of God attacking a particular church? Let me tell you something, that same Christ Embassy many will make heaven. Who made you a judge of another man's servant? To his master he stands or fall. 1 Like |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Kukutenla: 12:10pm On May 14, 2023 |
FirmTR:What you're contending is simply doctrinal. There's nothing in the Bible that says setting a target for a pastor is wrong. The Bible makes it clear there are different crowns for those who win souls based on the number they win. So if a church decides the strategy it employs for carrying out the great commission is to set targets for soul winning for her pastors, how is that worldly? |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by mu2sa2: 12:11pm On May 14, 2023 |
I knew the bubble-bust is inevitable. How do you hoodwink people of 10% every fvcking time. You can only fool the people for a while before you're exposed. |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Kukutenla: 12:15pm On May 14, 2023 |
AutoConsult:This is a lie. How many living faith churches have you gone to where they preach money every Sunday. Fear God na 2 Likes |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Risingsunn: 12:16pm On May 14, 2023 |
ukaface:any pastor reading this knows I'm telling the truth. 1 Like |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Kukutenla: 12:16pm On May 14, 2023 |
mu2sa2:When will the bubble of paying zakat burst? Hypocritical islamist |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Majesty7: 12:28pm On May 14, 2023 |
Kukutenla: You got it all wrong. That is why they Lay heavy burden on their congregations. There is already a curse for that in the scripture. Calling someone to salvation doesn't mean you milking them. Infact it calls for more responsibility for the church and not the other way round. Study your scripture and don't do contrary to what is being taught by Christ. We pray God reveal himself the more to us 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Blackdisciple(m): 12:29pm On May 14, 2023 |
Menclothing: But Fulani killer herdsmen are striving day by day destroying lives and properties without any form of confrontation from the person who are supposed to safeguard the nation which is their primary obligations 1 Like |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by GreatAchiever1: 12:32pm On May 14, 2023 |
blahc007:Maybe, maybe not, but sadly people are coming to that phrase because of what so called men of God have turned the gospel into, I don't subscribe to that category. The pastor is still very much needed in the church especially one who speaks the gospel in grace and truth but sadly, they are very rare to find especially in Nigeria. No worry, you no confuse me, I just wan clarify something. 2 Likes |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Porksupplyib: 12:32pm On May 14, 2023 |
HomeTutorsPro: Oh! I never knew a born again Christian must be silent about wickedness going on in the body of Christ. Please you need to school us more. 5 Likes |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Kukutenla: 12:36pm On May 14, 2023 |
Majesty7:Sorry Sir, are you a Christian? Even a baby Christian knows paying tithes and offerings is a responsibility for every member. If you have 20 members and they pay 1000 each as tithes. If God adds 5 members to the church and those 5 pay 500 each. Has the church finances improved or not? Can you quote the scripture you're referring to that negates above. As I have pointed out, the op is very wrong. The issue of setting target is doctrinal and I don't see how he's in a position to be judging a church's doctrine based on his personal standards. |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Majesty7: 12:39pm On May 14, 2023 |
Kukutenla: That is why it is no longer a church but a business center hence the force to have more members. That shows winning soul is just for their own gains. I am Christian. A follower of Christ. If you are a follower of Christ, his teachings won't sound odd to you. Thank you 4 Likes |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Chetas81(m): 12:50pm On May 14, 2023 |
Menclothing:you mean the British Jesus ☺️ the religion is a things of man not god -- god give law while man give religion |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by smartleo(m): 12:56pm On May 14, 2023 |
HomeTutorsPro: The problem here is that you didn't either read to understand or you are beclounded by religious understanding, what he has said its not an attack but a call to correction, two different approach 2 Likes |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Dancebreaker: 12:57pm On May 14, 2023 |
jesusjnr2020: Apt! 1 Like |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by OkCornel(m): 12:58pm On May 14, 2023 |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by jesusjnr2020(m): 1:04pm On May 14, 2023 |
OkCornel:Fine, thanks and you? |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by jaxxy(m): 1:05pm On May 14, 2023 |
Those are the kind of churches u see an usher sleeping with several girls in same church. it has become a social gathering. They do not worship God they worship mammon. Anytime i see a church glorifying money or material possessions I get irritated. It ok to have those things in abundance, God gives them bt they are the least important of things and should be seen as so. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by mbaise1000: 1:06pm On May 14, 2023 |
RecentHistory:I know also that both redeem and winners churches also set target for the amount of money their branches must be paying in, and many other churches are doing same, but these should not discourage people from looking to do the right thing, the problem is that people are so empty that they will not see that they are in the wrong places, one thing clear is that wherever these types of things happening, there is no spirit of God there, because TRUE Christians are left by the spirit of Jesus, no TRUE Christian will be comfortable in such places, and I am not among THOSE that advertise for churches, I believe that God will lead any sincere person to the right church, no one invited me to where I worship now and this nonsense doesn't happen there 1 Like |
Re: Worldly Targets Set By Churches: How My Friend Began Preaching Rubbish by Nobody: 1:11pm On May 14, 2023 |
Actually the richer and more populated a church is the more suspicious they are to me |
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