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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 3:27pm On May 13, 2023
johnw47:


Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

hell is not a subliminal reference to hellfire by all christians

you false jw's can never stop lying, can you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



Christendom
/ˈkrɪsndəm/
noun

1.
the worldwide body of Christians



and so dum one, it's good you agree that false jw's are not part of the worldwide body of Christians
MaxInDHouse:
Your insanity has no boundaries! grin


My brother Max has said it all. grin cheesy.

Which verse or chapter is "Christendom" found in your Bible?

Lost fraud 3 deities slave !
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 3:37pm On May 13, 2023
annyplenty:
.

Do people talk inside grave?

John 11:11-14.
"Then he said, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but now I will go and wake him up.”

12 The disciples said, “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will soon get better!” 13 They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus had died.

14 So he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead."

Jesus Christ views death as sleep.

Sleeping persons in Hades (the grave) can not speak to themselves.

Jesus said a parable NOT a factual event.
Therefore your doctrine is a fraud.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by annyplenty(m): 4:27pm On May 13, 2023
Janosky:


John 11:11-14.
"Then he said, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but now I will go and wake him up.”

12 The disciples said, “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will soon get better!” 13 They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus had died.

14 So he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead."

Jesus Christ views death as sleep.

Sleeping persons in Hades (the grave) can not speak to themselves.

Jesus said a parable NOT a factual event.
Therefore your doctrine is a fraud.

Don't create confusion for what needs no confusion
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 4:34pm On May 13, 2023
Ken4Christ:


God does not send people to hell. Your decision does. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But if you choose to ignore the warning of God's word, you shouldn't blame God. The choice is yours.

Trying to defend your preconceived opinion about hell while ignoring so many scriptures that affirms its existence is spiritual fraud.

Una come see Pastor commit spiritual fraud.
If this Pastor's God does not send anyone to hell, therefore this Pastor's God does not send anyone to heaven either.
This Pastor TWISTING his doctrine in public. grin.

Hades= the grave not hellfire.
The word "hellfire" is a man made fabrication,not holy scriptures.
2 Peter 2:6 & Matthew 24:37-39 is not rocket science.
Matthew 24:37-39, as it was in the days of Noah so it shall be, Jesus said.
Did fire torture those evildoers that time of Noah's?
Ken4Christ:


Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire but only after it has released everyone in it for judgment.
MUMU RANTS grin
The doctrine dey confuse the Pastorpreneur sef. grin
Pastor says evildoers die & go to hellfire to be tortured forever & are later released for judgement ,in which realm?
Hellfire is thrown into lake of fire, hellfire yamutu grin grin grin
Ken4Christ:



No one can kill a soul. It can only be tormented.

The scripture which says that the soul that sinneth, it shall die is not referring to the immortal soul.
.
Check the origin Hebrew word for the word soul used here, you will find out its different from the immortal soul.

Soul in this context refers to a person.

Check your dictionary for most words, you will find out that they have multiple meaning. So, it's wrong to just assume a particular word means the same thing in all context.

Maybe, you may have to go back to school to study English language.


LYING Churchian,a person is how many souls? grin grin

Mark 3:4
And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent"

Is it lawful to save a soul or to kill a soul?

Ken4Christ:


This brainwashing by Rutherford and Russell is really damaging. They will suffer greater punishment in hell for confusing and misleading countless millions of people across the world.


LYING Pastorpreneur grin
The same hellfire that this Pastor said will be thrown into the lake of fire to yamutu. grin grin

Pastor, Why does your brain not tell you that your hellfire is not lake of fire?
Hellfire nah scam!
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Emusan(m): 4:51pm On May 13, 2023
Janosky:
John 11:11-14.
"Then he said, “Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but now I will go and wake him up.”

12 The disciples said, “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will soon get better!” 13 They thought Jesus meant Lazarus was simply sleeping, but Jesus meant Lazarus had died.

14 So he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead."

Right scripture!

Jesus Christ views death as sleep.

But the person who is asleep still conscious.

If Jesus truly views death as sleep then your below point is empty.

Sleeping persons in Hades (the grave) can not speak to themselves.

But sleeping person is conscious and move body parts.

Jesus said a parable NOT a factual event.

But every Jesus parable has reality connection.

Therefore your doctrine is a fraud.

Have you checked your own doctrine?
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:04pm On May 13, 2023
Janosky:

My brother Max has said it all. grin cheesy.
Which verse or chapter is "Christendom" found in your Bible? Lost fraud 3 deities slave !

They prefer to be called Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines that's why the English man used the word "CHRISTENDOM" for them it simply means different sects claiming denominations under one umbrella with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! smiley

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 6:09pm On May 13, 2023
Emusan:


Right scripture!
Ok.
Emusan:

But the person who is asleep still conscious.

If Jesus truly views death as sleep then your below point is empty.

No.
Emusan is wrong.
My point is Scriptural & correct because Jesus Christ is led by the same holy spirit which inspired Ecclesiastics 9:5,10.
Emusan:


But sleeping person is conscious and move body parts.

John 11:11-14
Did Jesus say Lazarus was conscious and moving in the grave before Jesus raised him?
No.

John 11:23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”
Jesus Christ says Emusan is wrong.
A conscious person has no need to rise.
Only the dead (asleep in death like Lazarus) will rise.


Emusan:


But every Jesus parable has reality connection.

John 11:23, Jesus Christ confirming Lazarus was not conscious in the grave.


Emusan:


Have you checked your own doctrine?

Ecclesiastes 9:5,19 & John 11:23 are inspired by holy spirit.
This doctrine is holy scriptures confirmed.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 6:11pm On May 13, 2023
Janosky:

Una come see Pastor commit spiritual fraud.
If this Pastor's God does not send anyone to hell, therefore this Pastor's God does not send anyone to heaven either.
This Pastor TWISTING his doctrine in public. grin.

Hades= the grave not hellfire.
The word "hellfire" is a man made fabrication,not holy scriptures.
2 Peter 2:6 & Matthew 24:37-39 is not rocket science.
Matthew 24:37-39, as it was in the days of Noah so it shall be, Jesus said.
Did fire torture those evildoers that time of Noah's?

MUMU RANTS grin
The doctrine dey confuse the Pastorpreneur sef. grin
Pastor says evildoers die & go to hellfire to be tortured forever & are later released for judgement ,in which realm?
Hellfire is thrown into lake of fire, hellfire yamutu grin grin grin


LYING Churchian,a person is how many souls? grin grin

Mark 3:4
And he says to them, Is it lawful in the sabbaths to do good, or to do evil? to save a soul, or to kill? And they were silent"

Is it lawful to save a soul or to kill a soul?



LYING Pastorpreneur grin
The same hellfire that this Pastor said will be thrown into the lake of fire to yamutu. grin grin

Pastor, Why does your brain not tell you that your hellfire is not lake of fire?
Hellfire nah scam!




If you say I am a liar, then you are saying that Jesus lied cause I am relying on what he taught.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Emusan(m): 6:43pm On May 13, 2023
Janosky:
Ok.

Yeah!

No.
Emusan is wrong.
My point is Scriptural & correct because Jesus Christ is led by the same holy spirit which inspired Ecclesiastics 9:5,10.

We're on your point that Jesus liking Death to sleep, so does a sleeping person conscious or not?


John 11:11-14
Did Jesus say Lazarus was conscious and moving in the grave before Jesus raised him?
No.

But you claimed Jesus liking Death to sleep.

So why are you contradicting yourself?

John 11:23 Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”
Jesus Christ says Emusan is wrong.
A conscious person has no need to rise.
Only the dead (asleep in death like Lazarus) will rise.

But you claimed Jesus liking Death to sleep.

Definitely you don't understand that Jesus statement.

Do someone who asleep conscious or not?

John 11:23, Jesus Christ confirming Lazarus was not conscious in the grave.

But you claimed Jesus liking Death to sleep.

Or is someone who sleep not conscious?

Ecclesiastes 9:5,19 & John 11:23 are inspired by holy spirit.
This doctrine is holy scriptures confirmed.

I know you can jump like kangaroo but focus on your point here.

Jesus liking Death to sleep

So does a sleeping person conscious or not?

And there's no confusion with God, so Jesus can't liking death to sleep when he knows a sleeping person is conscious within him/herself.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by NNTR: 7:13pm On May 13, 2023
Ken4Christ:
God does not send people to hell.
Your bloated ego and biblical illiteracy wouldnt let you know and understand that every born human being upon expiration of the spirit aka life-force, aka ruach, and aka breath of God ends up in Sheol. You are so love-struck with the word, hell, you fail to appreciate and realise that Hell aka Hades, is a concept and place originated from Greek mythology

Ken4Christ:
Your decision does. Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. But if you choose to ignore the warning of God's word, you shouldn't blame God. The choice is yours.
Revelation 20:11-15
11And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it,
from whose presence earth and heaven fled away,
and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].
12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life;
and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books
[that is, everything done while on earth].
13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,
and death and Hades (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them;
and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds.
14Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God].
15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.


Do you realise how very biblically incompetent, scripturally intellectually confined and unexposed you are? Hmm?

Ken4Christ:
Your decision does ...
Interestingly enough, it however is one's character, that will be the determinant of whether one ends up where the rich man ended up at, or if its going to be paradise.

Of course, last, last, all guests at where the rich man was hosted, ultimately will make their last rendezvous at the Lake of Fire, and thats with Death and Hell aka Hades also thrown into the Lake of Fire

Ken4Christ:
... Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels.
All rebellious souls will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, along with Death and Hell aka Hades, the devil and its demons (i.e. fallen heavenly hosts, aka celestial beings)

Ken4Christ:
But if you choose to ignore Trying to defend your preconceived opinion about hell while ignoring so many scriptures that affirms its existence is spiritual fraud.
The spiritual fraud I see here, is a Ken4Christ one.

Ken4Christ:
Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire but only after it has released everyone in it for judgment.
In the Old Testament, where does an dead Israelite go to?
In the Old Testament, where specifically does the soul of a dead Israelite end up at?
In the Old Testament, what is the name of the place called?

Ken4Christ:
No one can kill a soul. It can only be tormented.
I rather believe the word of God that says God can kill a soul, than believe your blasphemous lie

I rather believe the word of God that says, the soul that sin, it shall die, than believe your blasphemous lie

Ken4Christ:
The scripture which says that the soul that sinneth, it shall die is not referring to the immortal soul. Check the origin Hebrew word for the word soul used here, you will find out its different from the immortal soul.
Duh. Only God is immortal

Ken4Christ:
Soul, in this context refers to a person.
Duh again.
Man is tripartite, meaning, man comprises of a soul, spirit and body.
The spirit, also known as ruach, even additionally also known as breath of God, actually is the life-force that made Adam transition from being a dead soul to become a living soul

Yes, you are not your body, you are not not flesh. You also are not your spirit, your spirit is not you. Who you are, is soul. Your soul is you and vice versa. This is why, it is your soul, that will give account of everything you did while living on earth. It is not your body nor your spirit, that will stand before the throne of judgment.

Hey watch this, it is via your spirit however, that is how every single of your action and inaction got recorded. Yeah, the spirit, doubles up as a recorder, on top of, being a life force

Ken4Christ:
Check your dictionary for most words,
You made me laugh.
Check dictionary ko. Check dictionary ni

Your mates with better biblical gumption, check their bibles, just as the Bereans in the New Testament often did (i.e. Acts 17:11)

Your mates, check lexicons, your mates check multiple bible translations, reviewing and comparing them with each other, but what you do is check dictionaries. Smh, pfft

Ken4Christ:
you will find out that they have multiple meaning. So, it's wrong to just assume a particular word means the same thing in all context.

Maybe, you may have to go back to school to study English language.
You have no idea, because if you did, you wouldnt have typed all this balderdash here
Out of curiosity, have you any idea what the word polysemous, means?


NNTR:
Bible words, at best, often are polysemous. As a matter of fact, the bible has quite its few share of double entendre too.

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.



Ken4Christ:
This brainwashing by Rutherford and Russell is really damaging. They will suffer greater punishment in hell for confusing and misleading countless millions of people across the world.
Be it on your head, as well as, the heads of Rutherford and Russell, all the wrong information, that you, them and others widely spread about

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:18pm On May 13, 2023
Ken4Christ:

If you say I am a liar, then you are saying that Jesus lied cause I am relying on what he taught.

What Jesus taught in what language? smiley

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Jumbojax(m): 9:24pm On May 13, 2023
NNTR:
Please tell, what according to your understanding, do you know that, last, last, will happen to hell? In your reply please dont mistake hell for the Lake of fire though
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

NNTR:

Which guys?
Who are the guys that don't understand the perfection and unlimited power of God?

The same two questions I asked dearest beloved, Ken4Christ, which he give answers to, I' ll you too, the two simple questions, as seen below:

1. According to your understanding, do you really think that tormenting souls of human beings, in a way, that permanently continues and lasts forever, is something that God is looking forward to get pleasure from? Hmm?
Everyone has a justice nerve NNTR, including you. That sin tha makes you wish the sinner suffers you may hate rape, or incest or murder or pounding babies in mortar for money, rituals devil worship. The list goes on and goes darker. Point is if you are being honest there is a sin that will make you want to destroy the sinner. Well to God all sin even as small as unbelief makes him want to destroy the sinner aka everyone. Because sin is anti-life. And since God is eternal the wages of your sin that is death is an eternal death.
NNTR:

2. According to your understanding, do you really believe that, ABBA, a good and loving Influencer, (i.e. God) will, non-stop barbecue burn human beings (i.e. human beings with souls and have intact flesh or bodies) and souls (i.e. human beings, with soul but are no more with flesh or bodies) in the lake of fire FOREVER? Hmm?
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL should come to repentance.
A good and loving God does not want anyone to go to hell. And this good and loving God is also righteous and fair and just and hates sin and evil and hence has to destroy sin and evil and sinners forever for him to be just and righteous as well as good and loving. That's why he destroyed His innocent and perfect son on the cross so he won't have to destroy the sinner who believes. Is up to you now. Do you believe? God has done His best to keep you out of hell.

NNTR:

All what you typed here, is nothing other than pretentious balderdash. Sorry.
Wow insults, thought we were more mature than that? undecided
NNTR:

Matthew 10:28
And you should not be afraid of those killing the body but not being able to kill the soul.
Indeed rather you should fear the One being able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.


Ezekiel 18:20a
The soul that sinneth, it shall die ...

1. What part of the meaning of the word 'kill' in Matthew 10:28, dont you understand or appreciate the meaning of?
Your Bible sugar coats the truth so you can stay in the comfort zone of a lie. The original says destroy. This is a serious matter. Jesus is comparing the death that ordinary man can do to you and the death that almighty Jehovah can do to you
NNTR:

2. What part in the meaning of the word die' in Ezekiel 18:20a, dont you understand or appreciate the meaning of. Hmm?
Die is die. Second death, First death. All bad. The new testament version of Ezekiel 18:20 is
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

See how God has created an easy solution to our predicament, you don't have to keep rejecting the truth.
NNTR:

3. Who told you, where did you get that the devil has a soul? Hmm?
soul or no soul the devil will burn forever. Amen
NNTR:

4. Do you know the core reason why satan and its demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings) are irredeemable? Tell me, then please, if you know
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

God's redemption plan is for humanity not demons
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 12:19am On May 14, 2023
Janosky:
My brother Max has said it all. grin cheesy.
Which verse or chapter is "Christendom" found in your Bible?
Lost fraud 3 deities slave !

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

mad max just like you say's a lot of lies, which ones are you referring to

oh duh most dum one, you are the one who uses the word "christendom" a lot
and you don't even know the meaning of it, u so so confused, aren't you

blasphemer, you are forever loving to call Father Son and Holy Spirit "3 deities/3 gods"
u also love calling Father Son and Holy Spirit "the 3 dog heads" and "the ole demon ghost" etc.



1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 12:36am On May 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Your insanity has no boundaries! grin

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost false jw mad max

so say's u, nairaland's resident crazy one

the one who said he can defeat six fully armed combatants single handed

the insaneo who told everyone how his wife loves to play with his dic


it's well know who is insane oh mad max, and it's not the one who posts the truth, me
it's the one who mocks the Truth, u

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


and of course without the Holy Spirit you will never know or understand God

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 12:48am On May 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
They prefer to be called Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines that's why the English man used the word "CHRISTENDOM" for them it simply means different sects claiming denominations under one umbrella with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! smiley

lost false jw mad max

it's me that lost fraud jw janosky asked "Which verse or chapter is "Christendom" found in your Bible?"
and i never use the word, but lost jw uses it much

see how you people talk gibberish all over the place
and how confused you habitual liars are:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints


Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 1:05am On May 14, 2023
Janosky:
grin.
grin
the Pastorpreneur sef grin
grin grin grin


grin grin

LYING Pastorpreneur grin
grin grin
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

is 4Christ an entrepreneur who sets up churches as a business venture
or is it you who is lying .... still

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



Pastorpreneur:

An entrepreneur who sets up churches as a business venture

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by NNTR: 5:26am On May 14, 2023
Jumbojax:
Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
As I repeat the question, please pay attention and stay focused on answering correctly.

Please tell, using your own words, what according to your understanding, do you know that, last, last, will happen to hell? In your reply please dont mistake hell for the Lake of fire though

Jumbojax:
Everyone has a justice nerve NNTR, including you. That sin tha makes you wish the sinner suffers you may hate rape, or incest or murder or pounding babies in mortar for money, rituals devil worship. The list goes on and goes darker. Point is if you are being honest there is a sin that will make you want to destroy the sinner. Well to God all sin even as small as unbelief makes him want to destroy the sinner aka everyone. Because sin is anti-life. And since God is eternal the wages of your sin that is death is an eternal death.
Your deficient theology and myopic view of God, leaves you impervious to the fact, that, God takes no pleasure, has no need to non-stop, night and day, inflict severe mental suffering (i.e. tormenting) on souls.

Souls, are combustible, meaning, God designed souls, in such a way that, they able to catch fire and so therefore potentially have the capacity to easily burn.

Now me tell me please, how possible is it, for souls that already have been consumed by fire, to feel or experience any torment. Hmm?

Jumbojax:
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL should come to repentance.
A good and loving God does not want anyone to go to hell. And this good and loving God is also righteous and fair and just and hates sin and evil and hence has to destroy sin and evil and sinners forever for him to be just and righteous as well as good and loving. That's why he destroyed His innocent and perfect son on the cross so he won't have to destroy the sinner who believes. Is up to you now. Do you believe? God has done His best to keep you out of hell.
You should be more concerned about yourself, not ending up in the Lake of Fire with Satan and its demons as your company, because I am a believer and beneficiary of God's granted mercy

Jumbojax:
Wow insults, thought we were more mature than that? undecided
Calling a spade, a spade, and not calling a spade a fork, is not insult beloved Jumbojax, so please do not be that quick, to want to play the insult card.

You are so fond of posting senseless writing. It is this observation that caused me to type apologetically:
'All what you typed here, is nothing other than pretentious balderdash. Sorry.'

Jumbojax:
Your Bible sugar coats the truth so you can stay in the comfort zone of a lie. The original says destroy. This is a serious matter. Jesus is comparing the death that ordinary man can do to you and the death that almighty Jehovah can do to you
1. Using your own words, please define 'destroy'
2. Can anything destroyed by fire, remain existing?

Jumbojax:
Die is die. Second death, First death. All bad. The new testament version of Ezekiel 18:20 is
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrews 9:27
27And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment,
28so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many,
will appear a second time [when he returns to earth],
not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.


Everyone dies, everybody, dies. All die, die, at least once, however, it is anyone, that doesnt accept and/or take advantage of God's gift of Salvation, gift of Redemption, gift of Reconciliation with God and gift of the atonement of sin, that will experience the second death, and ultimately be cast into the Lake of Fire, along with death, Realm of the dead (i.e. Hades aka Hell), satan and its demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings) to be destroyed.

Souls, will catch fire and burn because they are combustible. Now, you need to carefully and cautiously, go back to re-read Revelation 14:11, to return back here, with what specifically you have spotted in it

Jumbojax:
See how God has created an easy solution to our predicament, you don't have to keep rejecting the truth.
You would take it personal and say its an insult, if I should point out, that again, you've typed balderdash

Jumbojax:
soul or no soul the devil will burn forever. Amen
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Isaiah 34:8-10
8For it is the day of the LORD’s revenge,
the year when Edom will be paid back for all it did to Israel
.
9The streams of Edom will be filled with burning pitch,
and the ground will be covered with fire
.
10This judgment on Edom will never end;
the smoke of its burning will rise forever
.


Smh, so are you retracting this your misleading comment:
'You as a man as well the devil are created to have an eternal soul that will never end.'

Cant believe, you thought, you'll get off, scot-free, spreading false information, when you, erroneously typed that, the devil has a soul.

Watch this, please tell me about the word 'forever' as used in Isaiah 34:10 from Isaiah 34:8-10 above. I am trying to help you see, how, carefully you need to be when doing bible exegesis, at least, protect and guard you from doing an eisegesis

Jumbojax:
God's redemption plan is for humanity not demons
Do you now here, see, how inadequate you are? Hmm?
You couldn't give, the core reason why satan and its demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings) are irredeemable.
You can't give the core reason, why God's redemption plan is for human beings (i.e. terrestrial beings), and not for satan and its demons (i.e. fallen celestial beings)

Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 7:15am On May 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


What Jesus taught in what language? smiley

We are not talking about language here. We are talking about the content of his teachings concerning hell. Experts were involved in translation of the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek language to English. And the original language are still available for scrutiny.

No sane man will go through the teachings of Jesus concerning hell and conclude he was just talking about the physical grave or a refuse dump in Israel. Go back and read again the first three gospel with an unbiased mind and come back and tell me that a place of torment called hell does not exist.

Yes, it doesn't make sense to the natural mind but it's scriptural.

If God could destroy the first world with water and save only 8 persons and also destroyed two cities, Sodom and Gomorrah with fire, why do you suppose that it's not possible that people can be eternally destroyed in a burning flame?

Just repent before it's too late. Otherwise, you will have regrets upon regrets.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:22pm On May 14, 2023
Ken4Christ:


We are not talking about language here. We are talking about the content of his teachings concerning hell. Experts were involved in translation of the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek language to English. And the original language are still available for scrutiny.

No sane man will go through the teachings of Jesus concerning hell and conclude he was just talking about the physical grave or a refuse dump in Israel. Go back and read again the first three gospel with an unbiased mind and come back and tell me that a place of torment called hell does not exist.

Yes, it doesn't make sense to the natural mind but it's scriptural.

If God could destroy the first world with water and save only 8 persons and also destroyed two cities, Sodom and Gomorrah with fire, why do you suppose that it's not possible that people can be eternally destroyed in a burning flame?

Just repent before it's too late. Otherwise, you will have regrets upon regrets.

Guy Jesus never PREACHED about a place of torment if you want to know more about Jesus' preaching go through him sermon on the mount from chapter 5-7.

It's when he started TEACHING that he used parables to teach the Jews how God will treat the death of EVILDOERS.
SHEOUL ~ HADES ~ HELL ~ GRAVE means the same thing, Jesus used this word well and as for GEHENNA it is the condition of the dead where resurrection is not possible because God has deleted the memories of evildoers {Psalms 9:17} so Jesus taught his Jewish listeners that the same way they used to dump the things they don't want anymore into Gehenna that's how God will dump the death of evildoers among His people, they will not be remembered like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is remembered till today.
But as for you who is not a descendant of Abraham God has no business with you at all unless you come into His plan through faith in what you have learned in the Bible otherwise you're DEAD already with no record with the God of Abraham! smiley

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by mtngloetiartel: 6:17pm On May 14, 2023
There is actually more than enough way to show you what the Bible teach. It seem to me you don't read the Bible with open mind. You are stuck with bible knowledge like an infant. You can't fathom the solid food of the bible truth which can only be discerned with open mind.
You need to learn to reason from the scriptures like the Apostle Paul did with the Beroan. "According to Paul’s custom he went inside to them, and . . . he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving by references that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead.”—Acts 17:2, 3.
If you had pay attention to the scriptures I quoted to explain my points, you will not be saying am brainwashed. Are they not in your personal bible?

Let me respond to one of your counter claims. You said the bible does not differentiate between believers. Yes that's right. I am not differentiating between believers either. Instead, am proving to you how God has set in motion the fulfilment of his first prophecy as recorded in Gen.3:15.

Let me summarize the contents of the Bible as whole. In contents this Book of Books reveals the past, explains the present, and foretells the future. These are matters that only He who knows the end from the beginning could author. (Isa 46:10) Starting at the beginning by telling of the creation of heaven and earth, the Bible next gives a sweeping account of the events that prepared the earth for man’s habitation. Then the truly scientific explanation of the origin of man is revealed​—how life comes only from a Life-Giver—​facts that only the Creator now in the role of Author could explain. (Gen. 1:26-28; 2:7)

With the account of why men die, the overriding theme that permeates the whole Bible was introduced. This theme, the vindication of God’s sovereignty and d ultimate fulfillment of his purpose for the earth, by means of his Kingdom under Christ, the promised Seed, was wrapped up in the first prophecy concerning ‘the seed of the woman.’ (Gen 3:15)

More than 2,000 years passed before this promise of a “seed” was again mentioned, God telling Abraham: “By means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves.” (Gen 22:18) Over 800 years later, renewed assurance was given to Abraham’s descendant King David, and with the passing of more time God’s prophets kept this flame of hope burning brightly. (2Sa 7:12, 16; Isa 9:6, 7)

More than 1,000 years after David and 4,000 years after the original prophecy in Eden, the Promised Seed himself appeared, Jesus Christ, the legal heir to “the throne of David his father.” (Luke 1:31-33; Gal. 3:16) Bruised in death by the earthly seed of the “serpent,” this “Son of the Most High” provided the ransom purchase price for the life rights lost to Adam’s offspring, thus providing the only means whereby mankind can get everlasting life. He was then raised on high, there to await the appointed time to hurl “the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan,” down to the earth, finally to be destroyed forever.

Thus the magnificent theme announced in Genesis and developed and enlarged upon throughout the balance of the Bible is, in the closing chapters of Revelation, brought to a glorious climax as God’s grand purpose by means of his Kingdom is made apparent.​—Rev. 11:15; 12:1-12, 17; 19:11-16; 20:1-3, 7-10; 21:1-5; 22:3-5.

I know you have knowledge of the bible in disarray but you need to be able to connect the dots and get the true sense of those knowledge. This can be achieved with open mind.
Ken4Christ:


Well, you have not really said anything. None of what you said is true.

The New Testament Saints are every believer in Christ. Everyone who is saved or born again is a Saint in the eyes of God because they have been washed by the blood of Jesus.

This is why Apostle Paul addressed the believers as Saints in most of the letters he wrote to the churches.

There is no single verse in the New Testament that differentiates one set of believers from the other.

He calls us fellowheirs. He said that we are fellow citizens. There is no second class believer.

In his letter to the brethren in Rome, he wrote;

Romans 1:7
TO ALL THAT BE IN ROME, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus CHRIST.

Notice the phrase, 'to all that be in Rome'. He is referring to all the brethren in Rome.

He said that they are all called to be saints.

Please, delete all that Rutherford and Russell has programmed into your brain. Otherwise, you will die in ignorance and end up in hell.

These two leaders were Satan's messengers disguised as ministers of light.

Just accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour and you are automatically a Saint.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 6:52pm On May 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Guy Jesus never PREACHED about a place of torment if you want to know more about Jesus' preaching go through him sermon on the mount from chapter 5-7.

It's when he started TEACHING that he used parables to teach the Jews how God will treat the death of EVILDOERS.
SHEOUL ~ HADES ~ HELL ~ GRAVE means the same thing, Jesus used this word well and as for GEHENNA it is the condition of the dead where resurrection is not possible because God has deleted the memories of evildoers {Psalms 9:17} so Jesus taught his Jewish listeners that the same way they used to dump the things they don't want anymore into Gehenna that's how God will dump the death of evildoers among His people, they will not be remembered like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is remembered till today.
But as for you who is not a descendant of Abraham God has no business with you at all unless you come into His plan through faith in what you have learned in the Bible otherwise you're DEAD already with no record with the God of Abraham! smiley

Please explain the passage below for me. Please, don't digress.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:26pm On May 14, 2023
Ken4Christ:

Please explain the passage below for me. Please, don't digress.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Perhaps you need to read it in Hebrew just as Jesus said it first! smiley

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Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 7:55pm On May 14, 2023
Ken4Christ:


We are not talking about language here. We are talking about the content of his teachings concerning hell. Experts were involved in translation of the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek language to English. And the original language are still available for scrutiny.

No sane man will go through the teachings of Jesus concerning hell and conclude he was just talking about the physical grave or a refuse dump in Israel. Go back and read again the first three gospel with an unbiased mind and come back and tell me that a place of torment called hell does not exist.

Yes, it doesn't make sense to the natural mind but it's scriptural.

If God could destroy the first world with water and save only 8 persons and also destroyed two cities, Sodom and Gomorrah with fire, why do you suppose that it's not possible that people can be eternally destroyed in a burning flame?

Just repent before it's too late. Otherwise, you will have regrets upon regrets.

Jesus Christ NEVER knew nor spoke the word "hell" or "hellfire".
Jesus Christ spoke the word "Hades" ,"Gehenna."
Both words don't mean exactly the same thing.

Are the Sodom and Gomorrah people tortured till today?

Oga,You are very dishonest to change your hellfire perpetual torture narrative to "eternally destroyed", this dishonest pastorpreneur. grin cheesy grin

Oga go and rest with your GIBBERISH.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 8:04pm On May 14, 2023
Ken4Christ:


Please explain the passage below for me. Please, don't digress.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Genesis 3:15 is the only punishment that God prescribed for the devil (identified as original serpent in Revelation chapter 12.

Crushing the serpent's head is synonymous with everlasting destruction as if by fire.

This Pastorpreneur,Are you going to be dishonest that everlasting fire is torturing Sodom and Gomorrah today? grin grin grin
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 8:07pm On May 14, 2023
johnw47:

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost fraud jw janosky

is 4Christ an entrepreneur who sets up churches as a business venture
or is it you who is lying .... still

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.



Pastorpreneur:

An entrepreneur who sets up churches as a business venture


John W MUMU. grin cheesy grin
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 8:12pm On May 14, 2023
Ken4Christ:


If Jesus was raised as an immortal spiritual creature, how are we his followers going to be resurrected?

Whereas your fellow Trinitarians OLAADEGBU, Emusan continue to give a totally different conflicting report they received from your holy ghost. grin grin grin


Their own Jesus was raised as a human being. Them go quote Matt Slick tire, their super Daddy.
grin grin grin grin
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Janosky: 8:15pm On May 14, 2023
mtngloetiartel:
Jude 7, KJ: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (The fire that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah ceased burning thousands of years ago. But the effect of that fire has been lasting; the cities have not been rebuilt. God’s judgment, however, was against not merely those cities but also their wicked inhabitants. What happened to them is a warning example. At Luke 17:29, Jesus says that they were “destroyed”; Jude 7 shows that the destruction was eternal.)

Correct.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 9:01pm On May 14, 2023
Janosky:


Whereas your fellow Trinitarians OLAADEGBU, Emusan continue to give a totally different conflicting report they received from your holy ghost. grin grin grin


Their own Jesus was raised as a human being. Them go quote Matt Slick tire, their super Daddy.
grin grin grin grin

In your mind, you think I share the same belief with you. You made the assertion that Jesus did not resurrect bodily. So, I am asking if we too are going to resurrect without our bodies. And you are all avoiding the question because you know that you will be trapped in your answer.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 9:04pm On May 14, 2023
Janosky:


Genesis 3:15 is the only punishment that God prescribed for the devil (identified as original serpent in Revelation chapter 12.

Crushing the serpent's head is synonymous with everlasting destruction as if by fire.

This Pastorpreneur,Are you going to be dishonest that everlasting fire is torturing Sodom and Gomorrah today? grin grin grin

You deceit and wickedness has no comparison. Instead of explaining the verse I quoted, you are pointing me to another scripture.

You just choose to deny the existence of hell even with a clear evidence of the passage I just quoted.

You punishment will be worse than what Sodom and Gomorrah is presently suffering in hell.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by Ken4Christ: 9:06pm On May 14, 2023
Janosky:


Jesus Christ NEVER knew nor spoke the word "hell" or "hellfire".
Jesus Christ spoke the word "Hades" ,"Gehenna."
Both words don't mean exactly the same thing.

Are the Sodom and Gomorrah people tortured till today?

Oga,You are very dishonest to change your hellfire perpetual torture narrative to "eternally destroyed", this dishonest pastorpreneur. grin cheesy grin

Oga go and rest with your GIBBERISH.

What about the everlasting fire he mentioned? What other phrase can you use to replace it?

He also used the phrase, furnace of fire.

Suffer de sweet you. You go cry tire.
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 11:37pm On May 14, 2023
Janosky:

John W MUMU. grin cheesy grin

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


lost fraud jw janosky

that is all u fearful confused and blinded know nothing can say:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
Re: Why Did The Rich Man In Luke 16 Go To Hell? by johnw47: 11:55pm On May 14, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Your insanity has no boundaries! grin

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



johnw47:
1. before time God and His Word are one Person/one God, before God
bought His Word out of Himself, 2. then there were two, God and the word who later became man/flesh
the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

3. God and his Word were not always two persons
4. God bought forth his Word out of Himself and then there were two of that one and the same Spirit that is God

5.God's wisdom/God's Word always existed in God



lost false jw mad max

1. explain why it's insanity that: "before time, God and His Word are one Person/one God, before God
bought His Word out of Himself"

@bold, just like i and my word or my wisdom is me, one person

2. explain why it's insanity that: "then there were two, God and the Word who later became flesh,
the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ"

after God bought forth wisdom/the Word, do you think there were not then two in existance, oh dum dum

3. explain why it's insanity that: "God and his Word were not always two persons"

before Wisdom/the Word came into being, wasn't God alone?

4. explain why it's insanity that: "God bought forth his Word out of Himself and then there were two of that one and the same Spirit that is God"

God is a Spirit, God bought forth Wisdom/His Word out of Himself, so God's Word is part of God's Spirit

and the Word was God, john 1:1, now two persons of the same Spirit that is God.
the Holy spirit is another matter, you don't even understand the simple things of God, and cannot without His Holy Spirit.

5. explain why it's insanity that: "God's wisdom/God's Word always existed in God"

God posessed wisdom, but u false jw's believe God created wisdom, so there must have been a time that God was without wisdom, you so dum, confused, and blinded, aren't you


1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

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