Creeper:


That wasn’t Yoruba history or Yoruba perspective - it’s the real history of Benin, written by a Benin prince who was a historian/academic. His book on Benin kingdom is the universally accepted one that’s kept at Cambridge Uni, Oxford Uni, Harvard, Yale, etc. I actually read the book at SOAS. You can do your Google to confirm what I wrote.

I actually used to think Benin kingdom was an imperial empire, especially because of the moat and how it’s heavily referenced - until I started reading deeper into its history. Benin kingdom was basically the Nigerian version of the British empire - loud name but very vacuous in ingenuity and achievements. British empire was nothing more than a lot of very cunning, manipulative and marauding pirates that mastered divide and conquer - for looting.

Benin kingdom never really had a strong military due to how it was a victim of so many defeats by smaller kingdoms. Its knowledge of arts - terracotta, bronze and brass - came from Ife and Owo. Its crown was from Ife and the titles for a lot of its chiefs came from Owo. Most of its gods are also Yoruba gods.

I think Benin mostly benefited from its proximity to Itsekiris and the fact that it produced so many great artworks that were stolen and taken to European museums. Those artworks are what gave Benin kingdom the notoriety it enjoys today. But once you take that off - Owo and Itsekiri kingdoms were greater. And don’t ever put Benin and Oyo in the same sentence - imperial Oyo was in a different stratosphere.

Anyway, Eweka was a Yoruba prince and Ekaladerhan died in Ughoton (I believe that’s a town in Benin).

freshkpomo:



An average Benin man does not give birth to more than 3 or 4 children maximum and it has been like that for years. Go across Nigeria and you will see families having 8 to 10 children which seems normal to them. But here in Benin You will be called a rabbit or pig for doing that. It's like saying Greece was not at a time Great because of how it is today and Smaller countries of today that are now Great are a proof that Greece was not in the past Great.

Godjone:
The yoruba people cannot migrate from Benin and still be in control of Six states while bini exist only in four local government area

Evboesi:
who is the average Bini man when none of my fathers generation got married to one wife. Who is the average Bini man. Is it Bob Izua that has over 70 children or Osula that had over 62 children as at the time of his death. And several other Bini chiefs with large number of children in Benin.

In the last three generations, even what you will define as average , gave birth to multiple number of children with multiple number of wives. Only a minuscule minority gave birth through one woman. So what you term as average is a function of this era where the economy is not smiling. And even at that, many Bini men with means will get married to one wife and have children through other women outside, even the one you termed average, many have children outside. Ask them, many of them have children outside. Speak for your family my brother.

Another factor is bunch of royalties and aristocrats that exist in Benin, we are talking of chiefs, Enogies, wealthy and a little above average Benin men, brothers to the Obas and so on. These people make up a substantial part of the population and they give birth in their numbers. The Osulas, bob izua Adun and several others that time will not permit me to mention here

My father gave birth to 33 children and got married to 7 wives. If I mention my families name, you will know it, some of my eldest brothers are also polygamous in nature today.

freshkpomo:



How many family house you go waka enter for Benin 20 - 30 years back and see 8 - 10 children from same papa and mama? But I know many tribes that had that as a bragging right. If majority of the families in Benin were like the Osula family do you know how katge the bini tribe would have been? Benin people nor dey born planty even with the polygamy You mentioned

Evboesi:
my brother speak for your family, if you read what I wrote, you will see that 20- 30 years ago, many people did not get married to one wife. The Binis did not get married to one wife and give birth to ten children, they will rather get married to 3 and give birth to 18. I can tell you for a fact that none of my father’s friends that I know and I am familiar with got married to less than 3 wives. If you are chanced I can take you round where I grew up in textile mill road and I am familiar with,let us go from house to house and ask how many children these men gave birth to. I don’t do online talk that is not in consonance with reality .Speak for your family

And also I for one hold the opinion that the Binis are fairly large enough. You can’t really tell of the population of Bini. For a tribe that was 180 thousand in 1952 that has risen to the number of about 3.8 to avbout 4.5 million, I think that number is fair enough, we are by far the most traveled minority in Nigeria. Our figures outside of the shores of Nigeria is scary


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51W_F-rGsf0

You can watch that video, it is a video of Akaba man I watched it and found out that 95% of the callers were outside the shores, they used Bini in speaking, if you are Bini, you would understand it. My brother your opinion does not reflect the reality on ground

Like I have told you before even those Bini men that get married to one wife today have two Babymamas outside that has given birth to two two children for them

freshkpomo:



You call one man birthing 18 children from 3 wives it? My grand father, great grand,and even my father practiced polygamy and so does everyone around I grew up to meet but these women won't birth you up to 10 children at a go in most cases. I grew up in midst of urhobos, Ijaws, tsekiris and I have traveled so many places in Nigeria and I can't tell you that many of these tribes you can't even tell who is senior amongst their children because they can give birth to 4 children in 5 years if they so want to. Even ijaws cover more States than the binis and so does Ibibio and their population continue to surge. My man Go to the creek and see people producing children. That 18 children you mentioned can come from just 2 women and they will add Jara to it for you. The most travelled tribe is Igbo and we the binis hold the second position, but does that stop them from been amongst the too 3 ethnic groups?


I once discussed this with a friend that the way it is, the palace should start encouraging people to give birth. Even our language is fading away. It is only in Benin you will love for 7 years and still don't know how to speak the language. Go to the east, west and North you Will just have to learn even within a year you must be familiar with how to purchase from the market already. You may argue this but it's the reality on ground

Evboesi:
that 3 I told you about is about the least I know in my father’s generation, go and ask about Chief Aragua, Ogida and the others, majority get married to 5 wives- 25 children, some 7 some 9 with over 40 children, go to Bini villages in Urhonigbe, Iguobazuwa, Udo, Evboesi, go and ask for the Edegbe family in Evboesi.

Giving birth that way does not mean the Ijaws are more polygamous than the Binis, it is only a function of poverty, giving that way, many of them returns as in fact, (infant mortality)they would want to get more children from two women because they cannot afford more than two while a Bini man on the other hand will get married to 6 giving birth to 30 children.

Even the Binis still practice subtle polygamy, those girls you see in their father’s house with three, two,four kids unmarried, their baby papas are most times married to other women while he comes around to see them and offer financial support and they are in their numbers except you are not being sincere with yourself. Is this not the creek, nothing is there my Ijaw brother


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWKmIKBg5c

freshkpomo:



All these families you mentioned no one I not know, Stella OGIDA a one time councillor in Egor was a very good friend, I once married from the edegbe family but backed out because of some reasons. Those uronigbe you mentioned I think you should check their ancestry and watch how they speak Benin language. Some tribe multiply so much that they send them away to Street begging or slavery and that practice did not start today and Benin cannot match that. Just travel out of Benin and see for yourself that even that your large family na one man household just from 2 generations.

Evboesi:
I first talk am say you nor be Bini man, Una go dae claim Bini for the sake of Una selfish aim. there are three major dialects in Benin, The central Bini language, Oza, Ehor . Urhonigbe is a pure Bini dialect, if you were a Bini man, you would have known this, I am talking about the fact that the villagers still reproduce like how they do in yesteryears, because of the “localness” of such places. While in the city, it has been modified to subtle polygamy as I have explained before.

That feature of slavery and begging is a feature of the northern people. I pride myself as belonging to a family system where a man will give birth to the number of children he can take care of and he will take care of them. That one that a man will now be giving birth to children he cannot take care of, they are usually exposed to harsh treatment and many of them die as infant or as teenagers. Thereby a man that gave birth to 18 children whereby all of them grow up to adulthood or at most lost one of them, as compared with a man who gave birth to 25 children through 2 women and they lost 9 of them is even or the man that gave birth to 25 children is at a loss. So giving birth like pigs is a factor, taking care of them to ensure that 95% of your 18 children get to adulthood is true polygamy

freshkpomo:



Well I don't have to argue with you about been Benin, and not only northerners go out for slavery when they reproduce massively. Have a nice day!

Evboesi:
Accept your L and move on, you are not Bini and you know nothing about Benin, your comment about Urhonigbe exposed you, goodbye

freshkpomo:



Oga shut up make you Carry your nonsense near front, Benin na tribe to brag about? Wetin we get? Wetin we don achieve? Who takes us serious in national politics? And who be urhonigbe when dey speak Benin go back like who dey chop hot yam..m abeg shift go front go find who una want dey drag who be Benin or not together.

Evboesi:
shut up you uncivilized mudafucking Ijaw boy, you are an imposter and a low life Ijaw fool. No Bini man will insult the seat of Olokun in Edo state. Urhonigbe’s tongue is not seen as distinct enough to be classified as a separate tongue by any standard. Run along my regard to your Ijaw fools. The same Bini dae speak here, I want anyone who is Bini to judge, if they can’t hear what is spoken there, not only is it clear, it is also the central Bini tongue that is spoken there. Don’t tell an urhonigbe man, that he is not Bini o , you will not make it out alive, Evboesi is back door to Urhonigbe, they are damn proud and aggressive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Zpm8Dn-_k

This is your dead creek you brag about, my brother it is dry, no body is there, take your L and move on


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWKmIKBg5c

freshkpomo:



Oga shut up make you Carry your nonsense near front, Benin na tribe to brag about? Wetin we get? Wetin we don achieve?

Trizyd:

You need older records and as you said 'documents written by eyewitnesses'. It's like saying dinosaurs never existed because an explorer wrote it down during his exploration in year 1800.

Evboesi:
shut up you uncivilized mudafucking Ijaw boy, you are an imposter and a low life Ijaw fool. No Bini man will insult the seat of Olokun in Edo state. Urhonigbe’s tongue is not seen as distinct enough to be classified as a separate tongue by any standard. Run along my regard to your Ijaw fools. The same Bini dae speak here, I want anyone who is Bini to judge, if they can’t hear what is spoken there, not only is it clear, it is also the central Bini tongue that is spoken there. Don’t tell an urhonigbe man, that he is not Bini o , you will not make it out alive, Evboesi is back door to Urhonigbe, they are damn proud and aggressive


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Zpm8Dn-_k

This is your dead creek you brag about, my brother it is dry, no body is there, take your L and move on


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWKmIKBg5c

AutomaticMotors:


Watch your mouth here make Ogun no Kee you!!

freshkpomo:



The ijaws you abuse are currently way ahead of you in the pecking order, they produced a one time president and once they cough president dey shake, tell me what do you have to brag about? All these small children when nor know anything you dey open mouth waaaah dey spill trash because you dey nairaland. Cynthia Morgan one time wished she could deny been an Edo girl, Cynthia is partly and utekon girl. Mumu are you more Benin than An utekon girl? I rather be an ijaws boy and be making sense than to be one small Benin tribe that has no voice in national politics. Since Bendel was separated Edo looks like one village especially Benin. Each time I go to delta I am ashamed to say this was a place that we were once their boss and now look how rapidly it's developing. No road, nothing nothing. Tell me wetin we get to brag about, just tell me one Mr Benin boy.... Our only Glory rest on our Oba, remove oba from Benin it will be the most useless place ever.

Evboesi:
Claim your tribe now if you are not a coward, you know if you say you are Ijaw, nobody will give you attention to carry out your worthless aim, with your worthless life. I have nothing against your tribe, face your inconquential tribe that nature gave relevance through Oil and luck shone on you in Jonathan becoming a president. Illiterate tribe that only savour her relevance through militancy.

Benin is not a small tribe. A tribe of about 4 million is in no small.

What is Cynthia’s Morgan relevance to Bini, Rema is Bini and is super proud of his Bini Identity. Who is Cynthia Morgan. Rema is unarguably among Nigeria’s first three biggest stars right now

freshkpomo:



Na your house Ogun oba go take start useless pikin. Is there a thing to be proud about in Benin? Go to other states, even small delta that was once under us in Bendel go there and see transformation for yourself. You and that idiotic uronigbe boy when dey speak Benin like who dey choo Hot yam better keep quiet let's not disgrace ourselves....

freshkpomo:



Show me where rema house dey for Benin and how is rema proud of been Benin? How many times does he sing in his local dialet like influence, slizzy E and black IQ. Na now I comfim say na one local boy I dey follow talk when nor even know anything about Benin. You are the imposter here and na people like you make Benin dey backward till date because them dey live on oast Glory instead to embrace reality. Abiala and so many neighboring communities in riverine ekewan have been taken over by the ijaws you called cowards. They have chased the Benin indigenes away and taken over their lands. If not for the ikpako boys of ekewan who also had some support from the oil company who dealt with them, them for don overrun all the binis. Mind you it has not happened in that area alone. We have Benin ijaws, Ondo ijaws, delta ijaw,rivers ijaw and then in in bayelsa. Can you tell me which other state has Benin as an indegenous tribe? Even our esan we dey speak similar language dey deny us.



They do militancy and that gives them relevance which makes them wiser than you. Do you even know why tony Kabaka protested the last time? Go to major oil companies or mines around Edo State. Na Yoruba people or Hausa Fulani people be their workers while we when get am dey jobless and here you are abusing people that stood up to fight for their right. You see wetin I dey talk since say you nor get sense!!! Cynthia Morgan dey greet LAMOGUN, wetin uronigbe people dey greet?

freshkpomo:



Na your house Ogun oba go take start useless pikin. Is there a thing to be proud about in Benin? Go to other states, even small delta that was once under us in Bendel go there and see transformation for yourself. You and that idiotic uronigbe boy when dey speak Benin like who dey choo Hot yam better keep quiet let's not disgrace ourselves....

AutomaticMotors:


Okay let me address you this last time! It is now very glaring you are an ogogoro guzzling M0R0N from the creeks ! As we don establish this fact this is the last reply you will get from me! You no reach, go fight with your mates for ojuelegba canteen ...

Evboesi:
Varieties of the Edo language are also spoken in other speech communities in Edo which according to Omoregbe (2012), include: Ozanogogo,Oza Aibiokunla,Oza-Nisi,Odiguetue,Errua, Ehor,Ikpe, Urhonigbe,among others. These varieties however show some differences in pronunciation and spelling although they are mutually intelligible

Title of the paperThe segmental phenomena of English and Edo: A contrastive analysis. Ikhiwmin Gladys Amenze. Page 67, second paragraph

freshkpomo:



From this write-up Esan is supposed to be a Benin clan too right?

Evboesi:
Esan language is not there, was not studied, or you cannot read, the name of the book is there, you can check it out non-entity

freshkpomo:

Hope you know what comprehension is? Your write up say may different in pronunciation and spelling as in cases like Osa and Ose etc. As in the case of Esan and Benin. I did not put into consideration the demography but Rather the goals achieved from the study.

Evboesi:
Esan was not studied Ehoo Ozour, the fact that it said it may differ however not in all spellings and pronunciations certainly some of them and the communities that may differ were listed directly

The language that was studied is Edo proper which is Bini,Esan is not part of it

Evboesi:
[/b]My brother go and read, don’t ask me questions, you are not paying me, I only corrected your impression of Urhonigbe, trying to make you understand that it is not only Urhonigbe, there are other Bini communities which have dialectical peculiarities but they are all [b]mutually intelligible

I thought I was an jiaw man (according to you), why will an ijaw man be reading about the origin of the diversity of languages amongst Benin clans. I should be busy ready about uzon people na ... Have a nice day my friend, was nice engaging you.