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What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Fineman2: 1:44pm On May 16, 2023 |
I've been thinking about this for awhile, it's just a matter of time, the way and manner some africans are foolishly supporting Putin's barbarism in Ukraine, hailing him on every platform online is outrageous. We have our brothers and sisters all over Europe and America, some are living on the streets trying to make ends meet, some are there schooling and doing all kinds of businesses as well Some are married to their women while others are trying to cross the Mediterranean via Libya to Europe We blame US and Europe on daily basis for the atrocities they committed during the colonial era and around the world, so why supporting Russia's evil in Ukraine, two wrongs don't make a right. Africans and nigerians in particular should not cry of maltreatment and hatred in the West, because it will happen soon. South African government is openly taking side with Russia as well, this is one country that suffered oppression during apartheid, sadly they are now supporting such thing. 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Fineman2: 1:45pm On May 16, 2023 |
Here's my message for them, please don't go to Ukraine and other western countries for your higher education or anything, I believe Russia and China will welcome you with open arms. 2 Likes |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Fineman2: 1:45pm On May 16, 2023 |
Nigerians and south africans are at the forefront of this 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by YouandiAllofus: 2:50pm On May 16, 2023 |
In the event of tatal collapse of world peace, africans are on their own both home and abroad. Because the continent's defence capabilities are grossly inadequate. Naming a dog after a lion doesn't accord it with the attributes of a lion. So they don't motivate themselves to destruction, there is the need to remain neutral and mentain mediating path to a safer side. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by FoolishBoy419: 3:10pm On May 16, 2023 |
Some people are just shameless. Americans also commit and support atrocities around the world. That some people see the West as their heaven does not mean one is no longer free to air his opinion on international events. Ukraine spent 8 years killing Eastern Ukrainians without America or any Western asslicker coming to condemn them. It's only now that they are facing Karma that you want to remind us about humanity. More projectiles to the Russian military!!! 15 Likes |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Elvictor: 9:07pm On May 16, 2023 |
Well done Freedom of speech people ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Mattswaggz: 9:45pm On May 16, 2023 |
so because they're in the West,, they shouldn't have an opinion and neither should they speak against any perceived evil if need be huh........ just tell us you love being silenced like a slave for live and we will understand..... Rubbish!!! ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by panafrican(m): 10:41pm On May 16, 2023 |
Do you know what percent of European -Americans are supporting Russia? Most of the republican party congressmen are supporting Russia. |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Fineman2: 6:24pm On May 17, 2023 |
panafrican:none, I'm yet to see one |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by pansophist(m): 10:13pm On May 17, 2023 |
You got it wrong. It's not a colour thing to support Russia, it's a common sense thing. Don't let the UN vote of all western countries voting against Russia fool you, the West is not democratic in that regard. Millions of Europeans who are against NATO, the war and America have been silenced. Not hearing about them doesn't mean they don't exist. It's even a crime to support Russia in the Baltics. Millions of people in France, Germany are protesting, I attended one, see crowd. But I was shocked I never saw it on the news. Total silence. So self-preservation is to just shut up, and not say anything. To avoid loosing your job in a woke culture where you're punished for having the unofficial opinion. How is that democracy and freedom of speech? 18 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Gerrard59(m): 2:49am On May 18, 2023 |
Fineman2: Because Russia did not topple governments in Africa, Russia is not behind Paul Biya, who has been there for donkey years. Russia is not behind the president in Chad, who took after his father. France supported it, and the US followed. Russia is not behind the DRC leaders or the one in Angola. These people have backers in the West. Russia was not behind the toppling of Gadaffi, which effects were felt in Nigeria. That is not Russia's fault. Moreover, NO EUROPEAN NATION has voiced out in defence of victims of the constant and consistent massacring across the Middle Belt in Nigeria. No one in the West, even black folks there, has cried that there are now refugees as a result of the Islamic terrorists in Burkina Faso. I have a Burkinabe friend, and he says people in the country hate France because she has been with them, there has been no improvement, and they want the French to leave. They prefer the Russians whose group - Wagner group - deals ruthlessly with the terrorists. Pay the Russians, they do their job and leave. France has been there for donkey years with nothing to show for it. Europeans lament the decline of Christianity across the continent but will rather accept Muslims from the Middle East as refugees over Christians from sub-Saharan Africa who have been displaced from their homes in Taraba, Plateau and Benue. We know why. Heck, the Catholic church has never uttered a word, not a single word, about the constant butchering of Catholic priests throughout Northern Nigeria None whatsoever. In fact, it is European writers and academics who, after giving El-Rufai a Blow.job, will write in "reputable" publications that the reason behind the genocides in the middle Belt is because of "farmers-herders crises resulting from climate change". So tell me, why should a random African be bothered about a fight between two brothers in faraway Europe? How on earth is it our business? During Covid, it was the West that prevented vaccines from being supplied to the developing world, not Russia. Russia even offered her version of the vaccine for free to African countries. Africans and nigerians in particular should not cry of maltreatment and hatred in the West, because it will happen soon. Africans in Europe, especially Continental Europe, have always been maltreated. So, it is not a new thing. The ones who aren't that affected are those in the US and Canada. For Asia, it is very indifferent as there was no historical relationship between most Asian nations and Africans. South African government is openly taking side with Russia as well, this is one country that suffered oppression during apartheid, sadly they are now supporting such thing. Russia supported the ANC during apartheid when white people supported across Europe and America dehumanised black South Africans on their land. It was the Russians that financed, trained and assisted members of the ANC during their struggles. Why should the ANC back out now? That is a sign of disloyalty. South Africans know what they passed through at the hands of White Europeans and have every right to support Russia. The same applies to India, which to date, is neutral because it was the then USSR who prevented an American warship from attacking India when she fought Pakistan, backed by the US, to free Bangladesh. Obviously, the economics does not favour the South Africans, considering how open they lend their support for Russia, unlike the Indians. I know for sure that should the West win, she will deal with South Africa and other nations who were "openly neutral". That is the very reason Russia must win, or else, na modern slavery go resume. After all, Apartheid was not up to 50 years ago, nor the ushering of full rights to African Americans is not up to 100 years. Those who perpetrated those acts are still alive. When I was much younger, I consumed lots of Western media content and supported all her policies. Foolishly then, I supported the removal of Gadaffi - puerile and ignorant behaviour. However, when one opens his/her mind to read articles, posts and most importantly, history, one will realise that the West is not innocent as she claims. Or should Iraqis support the West as well? Iranians nko? You should be bothered about the Fulani onslaught in Nigeria rather than whether two European brothers are killing themselves. 16 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Gerrard59(m): 2:53am On May 18, 2023 |
Fineman2: They already do. There are way more many African students in both countries than in Ukraine prior to the war. Many Africans are living in both countries and enjoying themselves. Here is something you should know: as a black African, no one likes you. Not even the Chinese or West. Even African Americans don't like you. You are on your own. As such, it is ONLY your interests you should protect, support and be bothered about. A fight between two Europeans is not your concern. Because should you fight your own brother, those Europeans would not give a fvck about it. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Raalsalghul: 3:06pm On May 18, 2023 |
Gerrard59: This is one of the reasons I follow you on Nairaland. Your posts are deep-rooted in logic, pragmatism and realism. Kudos bro.🙌🙌🤜🙌🙌🙌🙌 You clearly understand how the world works. |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Tiiitoo: 6:10pm On May 18, 2023 |
Gerrard59: I align with your thoughts. I see south Africa at the forefront in leading the rebellion against the West with Nigerian Citizens on the African continent as if the war concerns them. The Russians are the ones that started the war in any case. Even if you have strong reservations and opinions, pls keep it to yourself so you dont spoil it for others. I believe the consequences of taking sides is more dire than being neutral. Africans and thier leaders have to be smart and circumspect in foreign relations. If US and her allies begins sanctions and start revoking all benefits to the African citizens for the open rebellion they'll be the ones shouting Racism n shit. It even amazes me the Africans like despots and dictators. |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Karleb(m): 11:00pm On May 18, 2023 |
The painful thing about Gaddafi's death is how till today a lot of Africans think Gaddafi is a villain. We shouldn't have watched a lot of America movies while growing up. America can destroy a whole country then come out to say they are innocent and everybody will believe them. ![]() |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Karleb(m): 11:13pm On May 18, 2023 |
Tiiitoo: When it comes to war, you can't actually be neutral as inaction is action. If South Africa decides to side with other world powers aside your beloved America, it's their choice. You are not more knowledgeable in politics than their president. Ask yourself, how important has USA and it's allies been to nigeria compared to a country like China for example, an ally of Russia? We can't even buy America's products, they are too expensive even before our naira became shit. Let them sanction us for having an opinion and we will dish their dollar for yuan! If you know your history, you know who the dictators are. 2 Likes |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Gerrard59(m): 3:50am On May 19, 2023 |
Tiiitoo: Well, no be today, the West has disregarded African countries. Africans are used to it. In South Africa's case, shouting racism is the best thing. It is one of the reasons I support the social justice warriors in the West. Even though they support, say transgenderism, because they will be the first to call out obvious racist policies, I support them. I am only about my interests, nothing else. Sanctions against South Africa will not work because there are whites in the country, and they will be affected. Also, the SAs will scream racism and the policy gets retracted. Additionally, South Africa has some critical minerals used in producing electric batteries and in cleantech technologies. It is even why they have the guts to align openly with Russia. To be honest, South Africa is perfectly doing the right aligning with Russia. It even amazes me the Africans like despots and dictators. You mean like Paul Biya, who France support wholeheartedly and did not say anything when people in the Ambazonia region rebelled against his government? The one in Chad who took after his father and got France's blessings? The one in Angola? |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Gerrard59(m): 3:55am On May 19, 2023 |
Raalsalghul: Thank you. It is my pleasure. People want us to do as they say, not as they do. Na lie. We will do what is in our best interests. As for being pragmatic, I imbibed that from Lee Kuan Yew and how Singaporean politicians do things. They are only concerned about Singapore's interests. Being realistic na from Tensa20. Man is even pessimistic sef. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by caye(m): 4:46pm On May 19, 2023 |
pansophist: That's the proof that the western media is a controlled media; controlled by a few oligarchs: white racist soldiers and the Jewish agenda. Imagine: Rasheem Carter ( a black man) was butchered into pieces in Mississippi 2022 by white thugs in his workplace and the police station who he went to turned him out literally to these animals who killed him and pieces his body, and the media was silent. So much for democracy and human rights! Awọn Oloriburuku! |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by pansophist(m): 5:02pm On May 19, 2023 |
caye: A thief hiding in the dark is expose when you shine a torchlight there. The West have got away with deceiving the world with their democratic and freedom lies for long because no country was strong enough to shine the torch on them. With a strong China, Russia and emerging economies, they are being exposed for what they are for the world to see. Western media is never and has never being independent. It's the lie they sell for the untrained mind. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Nobody: 6:44pm On May 19, 2023 |
caye: What exactly do you mean by "Jewish Agenda"? |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Nobody: 6:48pm On May 19, 2023 |
pansophist: Neither is the Chinese Media nor Russian Media independent, and I can argue that the western Media has more freedom than those. |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by pansophist(m): 6:54pm On May 19, 2023 |
Phamo0: You may argue that Chinese and western media ain't independent, but one thing you can never defend is that they intentionally lie, misrepresent, slander, and create situations that propagate hate to others. If you don't agree with me, show me any example of the above. Let's start from there. 2 Likes |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Nobody: 7:16pm On May 19, 2023 |
pansophist: You agree with me then that Chinese and Russian Media are no more independent than their western counterpart. Then you want me to defend that Chinese and Russian Media don't lie, slander or push agenda that distort reality? well I can argue that, but since you have agreed with me on the matter of their independence, the burden to proof is not on me. You asserted those. |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Tiiitoo: 6:34pm On May 20, 2023 |
Karleb: If African countries have not fared well in matters of Econnomy, Demoracy and human & infrastructural Development do not blame the West It's mainly its leaders, they are short sighted, visionless, Myopic, corrupt and undiscerning. Like i said, African leaders and the Citizens have to be smart by taking advantage of Western technologies and advance its cause; in that way they'll be respected in comity of nations but when doing that you don't take sides. The African continent is small to take on these advanced countries economically, for instance UK does less in production but their economy is deep rooted in delivering first class services. Almost all commercial ships in the world are insured in Lloyds of London. Even the ships that delivered those beautiful marbles from Turkey to your house is probaly insured in Lloyds of London. It was in this same Forum someone posted that Nigerians in Disapora remitted about $163 billion dollars to Nigeria in the last 10 years or so (Im not too sure about the number of years), what Countries were those Monies remitted from? Whats the GDP of Russia; about 1.7 trillion Dollars for over 140 million people, what is the GDP of UK; about 3.2 Trillion dollars for 67 Million people. Can Russia afford to dole out financial aids to Africa. Look at Somalia for example, there a massive starvation and famine going on there but you wouldnt know, it took the help of the British Media, Doctors without borders and financial aids from West to rescue those kids that were dying in numbers. Where was China, North Korea or Russia?, busy building hypersonics and enlarging their military. I have lots friends and families across Europe and the Americas so I wouldnt want them to bear the brunt of silly mistakes of uninformed few over here, going to Social media and spreading anti west sentiments in the name of "i have right to opinion" and bla bla bla. (That was the area of concern of the OP) This war is real and it is changing a lot of things. Yes, South Africa operates a sophisticated economy, what about other sub-saharan countries whose GDPs cannot compete with a single state in America? should they carry placards too and shout death to the West? These guys have planned for the future, we need them bro. Even India, the world's 6th largest economy is maintaining a neutral stance but South Africa is jumping up and down and Africans (Nigerians) are cheering them. Well, their Rands is depreciating by the day. Look i am not an American or Western Lover but China, Russia or North Korea are hardly the role model you are advocating for. These guys are Authoritarians, Putin is gonna remain in power till 2030 or so, Xi ping has just won his historic 3rd term (10 years and counting) North Korea is a family dynasty lol. if we think democracy is the best type of government then we must always lean towards the west and be SMART about it too. Sorry for the long read and my errors. |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Karleb(m): 7:41pm On May 20, 2023 |
Tiiitoo: GDP isn't an actual indicator for good economy. Same UK has not been like it was economically, you can read about how English people complain about their economy online. So I'll take the GDP comparison with a pinch of salt, I'd rather we compare them based on the percentage of middleclass. Ask yourself how Sub-Saharan Africans are still poor despite the lots of aids they've received from the west in so many years. If someone gives you a cure for an ailment but the same illness keeps getting worse despite taking the supposed cure, then something might be fishy as it is with these west's aids. India is an ally of Russia, they are one important member of the BRICS and they hate UK and US, Infact they wrote a go to hell farewell to the royal family when Elizabeth died. So India are not neutral, they support Russia. I saw how you snucked in north Korea 🤣. No one is saying Russia and allies are saints but don't let a country that was in Afghanistan for 20 years and many other countries committing atrocities tell you who the devil is, because they wouldn't point to themself. Remember what they did in Libya. Democracy isn't the best type of government, it sure isn't the only form of government. China and Russia aren't poor and they are well respected and feared, I think their leaders are doing a pretty good job. The US wasn't always this good/rich country under this same democracy. North Korea is bad because it doesn't practice democracy, I agree but there too many bad/poor countries that practices same democracy. You can't even tell me countries like UK, Belgium, Chile etc practices democracy when they're monarchs are importanter than their prime ministers. 1 Like |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by ken6488(m): 2:40am On May 21, 2023 |
Fineman2:this is why you are dumb even in the west there are Russian supporters openly eg Germany |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by ken6488(m): 2:43am On May 21, 2023 |
Gerrard59:I was cheering for them when Gaddafi got killed but recently my eyes opened |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by ken6488(m): 2:45am On May 21, 2023 |
Tiiitoo:they can't again the west need Africa more than we need them The world now has to option east and west Multi polar ![]() |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Tiiitoo: 8:34pm On May 21, 2023 |
Karleb: Well, you have made up your mind that looking eastward is much better. I believe the premise of your argument is based on the idea of a multipolar world which essentially is not a bad idea. If by achieving these goals is by claiming territories, bringing back empires, breaking known international laws so that they can compete then its criminal. I don't quite agree with this, this why Russia should not be allowed to win this war even if it last for a long time cos it will embolden other authoritarian states to do the same. What happens when Russia wins. Chinas takes on Taiwan, North Korea takes on South Korea and goes on. Top ten world economies are actually on the western hemisphere apart from China and India, do your research on however standards you want to measure it. Nigeria is not a communist state, we do not share the same ideology with China and co. We have nothing in common with them apart from TRADE. It was the same China that committed human right abuses against Uyghurs muslims, they were murdered in concentration camps, nobody said a word but the West you love to hate. No press freedom in Russia, the Kremlin will literally poison and assassinate dissenting voices, Kim Jong of North Korea nkor? Don't even get me started.... |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by Karleb(m): 4:27am On May 22, 2023 |
Tiiitoo: I said it earlier that China and Russia are not saints. But don't let the west tell you that. For every finger you point at Russia and allies, there are 4 pointing back at the west. I don’t understand why you keep bringing north Korea to the discourse, how can Russia and China be an ally of North Korea, a country they both sanctioned. Was it not few years ago we saw Donald Trump trying to broker a peace deal with North Korea, if Putin had tried that, he would had the war criminal tag long before now. ![]() I see why it's easy to say people that support West are always consuming their media propaganda. If you can stop Russia and allies, please do, if you can't then let's watch as the events unfold. |
Re: What Do You Think Will Happen To Africans In US & Europe For Siding With Russia by ycat: 7:04am On May 23, 2023 |
Nothing will happen to them. Gidigba la wa! The US is where my bread is buttered but I can't stand behind evil deepstate. That is not America fighting in Ukraine, it's the deepstate and Russia is in the right. The West had an agreement with Putin to never come near his border, they broke the promise and used Ukraine as biolabs and had nuclear silo up waiting for the warhead. Putin was pushed to the wall and the West should thank God that they met with a conservative God fearing Putin who has been holding back from unleashing hell on Ukraine. Why do you think Russia hasn't destroyed the Yapa river bridge when Russian population in east Ukraine has been calling for it to be blown up to trap Ukrainian soldiers? Unlike the deepstate Putin has a heart and the fight in Ukraine is something he was pushed into by America and he wasn't going to allow himself to be slapped around, so he had to stand up and put up a little fight. Americans support Russia, we know it's a just war, Russia has to protect its people. The US military can't meet recruitment goal because nobody wants to go and die for the deepstate, the war in Ukraine is not an American war, it's a globalist war and the West has lost big time, they just want to rack up more deaths before they crawl out of Ukraine. The war is over and Putin won! |
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