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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by orisa37: 6:47pm On May 20, 2023 |
WORSHIP ODU-DU-IWA OMO OLORUN OLODUMARE. |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 7:17pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: You obviously don't know much about early Christians. They bickering seriously and had different sects following different teachers. Saints Peter and Paul were at odds about circumcision of gentiles. Many theological issues did not come out of Nicea. See the Nicene creed below. Only ONE issue was resoved.
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 7:25pm On May 20, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:1. Yes, the rogue Bishops whom I kept mentioning. 2. I am sorry, but what does this supposed squabble between Peter and Paul, both of them Israelites, and both well aware that Jesus Christ was sent only to the children of Israel —the Lost sheep of Israel to whom Jesus Christ was sent to — to do with Rome? Did Peter and Paul also bicker about whether Jesus Christ was God in the Kingdom of God or not? Again, the division was created by rogue bishops, all individually hungry for power and control over the movement hence the various different doctrines eventually led up to Nicea. ![]() 3. Many theological issues, many of them created by the rogue bishops, led up to Nicea, yes or no? ![]() 4. Nicea's resolve to bring all those theological issues under one official banner led to the proliferation of the religion starting under the banner that is Rome, yes or no? ![]() |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 7:42pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: I see you don't know enough about this topic. You are arguing it by the seat of your pants. Why not take time and research it a bit so you'll be talking with some authority. Start with reading the below. Take good care
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 7:50pm On May 20, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:I am afraid I don't quite follow at all. Research about what exactly? Why? This discussion isn't about a minor squabble between Paul and peter which Paul himself claimed to have tasked Peter with, but instead about the divisions that led to the forming of the religion of Christianity almost 250 years later. ![]() As an aside, Paul and Peter understood clearly that Jesus Christ was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, but it seemed Peter was confused as to whether those called had to at least been circumcized under the Old Law of Moses before they could be admitted into Jesus Christ, the New Law. It still was not a Roman issue or an issue for Rome to concern itself with. ![]() |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 9:11pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: See below
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 9:23pm On May 20, 2023 |
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Maynmann: 9:27pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:What does “gentile” mean?
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 9:47pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Like I said, you seem to have half knowledge, and like the saying goes, "half knowledge is a dangerous thing". Did you read the various quotations in that article? God promised the world (the world!) would be saved through the seed of Abraham, not only Jews. "For God so loved the world...". NOT "For God so loved Jews...". Lord Jesus Himself gave a parable where the feast was thrown open to all after those invited did not come. In that ONE place where Lord Jesus somewhat jokingly compared Gentiles to the children's dog, he then went ahead to minister fully to the woman... Take the bible as a whole stop citing outlier verses that can always be found in the Bible, then build your theology on them! |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 10:03pm On May 20, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:1. You keep saying that but you don't answer the questions I ask in order that I better understand your assertion. ![]() 2. But God's promise is realized by God through Israel, His only inheritance in the Land of men. This is detailed in the Old Law of Moses. God's plan has, from the beginning, been to curse and scatter Israel throughout all of the Nations of the earth — to every tribe, every tongue, and every nation — after which He would then — by way of His Special Nation of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6 — gather them all based on the blood of Jacob back to Himself, and His Holy city Jerusalem. All of those who will be gathered back by Jesus Christ will be of the blood of Jacob even though many of them will also be of foreign birth, like Timothy, Paul's friend. So, clearly, it isn't that I am missing anything here nor is it that I have half knowledge as you continue to claim but instead that in order to hold the stance you do, you reject many of the proclamations of God in order to do so. ![]() 3. Sure, the whole and I suggest you take this advice of yours to heart since you seem to be under some impression that Paul went rogue — against God and Jesus Christ — and somehow created for the dogs — Non-Israelites— an entirely different Kingdom from that which is God's special Nation of Priests, the Kingdom of God, which Jesus Christ made clear was only available to those who are of the blood of Israel. ![]() By the way, Jews are Israelites of the Nation of Judah and are majorly from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The other tribes of Israel were cast out by God — cursed and scattered for their unrighteousness—during the time of King Nebuchadnezzar hence the reason for the reproach expressed by their Jewish brethren towards them. Clearly, the other tribes are non-Jewish people but they are all of them Israelites however. ![]() |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:03pm On May 20, 2023 |
Blake755: And Egypt didn't loot others dry and did those same things abi? You really do not have anything to say. |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Dtruthspeaker: 10:11pm On May 20, 2023 |
Rostikol: What a mad ravings of a lunatic. Was it nairaland that imposed Him on you? Why did you not go and shout on your direct ancestors who are in your front with you? Yet, you timidly went behind their backs to stab them. |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 10:25pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: In reading the below try to also read the Bible quotations
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 10:33pm On May 20, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:I would like to suggest that rather than these clippings, which are opinions of others, you read the passages for yourself so you can gain invaluable understanding of your own. What was the woman's request? 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” - Mathew 15 vs 22She asked Jesus Christ to have mercy on her, and then she told Him her child was demon-possessed. The woman asked Him for mercy to which He responded that He was sent to show mercy only to the lost sheep of Israel. ![]() 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” - Matthew 15 vs 24We know Jesus Christ did not reserve healing only for the Israelites, since there are examples of Him healing Non-Israelites, including Gentiles (Israelites) before His encounter with the Canaanite woman — In Matthew 8 vs 5 - 13 we read of Jesus Christ healing the servant of the Centurion who came asking Him to heal His servant — so it is wrong to assume then that Jesus Christ simply didn't want to heal this woman because she was a Canaanite. Clearly, Jesus Christ's response to her was to reveal that the mercy/love of God --- God's Law as the Son of David --' which He had to give was only meant by the Father who sent Him for the lost sheep of Israel, exactly as Jesus Christ stated. And, again, Jesus Christ came to do the Will of the Father who sent Him and not His own will, so the statement is not of the will of Jesus Christ but of God's Truth. ![]() As for healing, Jesus Christ said instead, freely we were given and so freely we are to give to all who desire healing, pretty much what He did as far as the Canaanite woman and all other Non-Israelites who can to be healed. ![]() This same Jesus Christ is recorded to have also stated the following in Matthew 7 during the sermon on the mount. ![]() 7. Do not give what is holy to dogs and do not throw your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. - Matthew 7 vs 6Clearly, that which is Holy is not meant for the dogs aka the Non-Israelites. ![]() So, you have a decision to make here for yourself. Do you accept God's Truth or do you reject it thereby insisting that Jesus Christ much have prevaricated in that situation among several others? ![]() |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Maynmann: 10:38pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Gospel of mattew was written predominantly for a Jewish community. They even used “kingdom of heaven” instead of “kingdom of yahweh” as euphemism.
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by bobestman(m): 10:43pm On May 20, 2023 |
You case is likened to a rat that fell into a frying pan and after a little struggle to free itself, it fell into fire. You are free from one brainwash and seek to enter another brainwashing. Your African spirituality was the first religion. Many things in Chrislam was copied from them. True spirituality worship only the true God/the God of heaven/Chukwu Okike. Men fell into blindness when they left their Creator and began to worship lesser gods. As it stands all religions are in error and only know a little. All have their day before blindness set in. Since you know that they changed many of our stories from black to white, you should also know that we are the original ppl of that book and only the ones to correct the lies and enlighten the ignorant ones. All religion being in error, worship only GOD true your Chi/light/Ori. For when one becomes one with his Chi, he becomes immortal, a master, a god. That was our first nature before blindness/corruption set in. Worship only Chukwu Okike/God Almighty |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Maynmann: 10:46pm On May 20, 2023 |
Illiterate, first learn what “spiritual” means and don’t be regurgitating the “spiritual concept” that originates from Animism. When theists are empty they pull out “spiritual” card,ask them what it means they will be describing what it’s not. Empty barrel!
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 10:54pm On May 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: I think you may have succeeded in confusing yourself. He healed the woman's child, didn't He? In his talk about casting pearls to dogs, he was clearly NOT referring to Gentiles but to those who would not listen.. and I suspect you fully well know it! 1 Like |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 10:58pm On May 20, 2023 |
TakeNigeriaBack: These people below were not out to colonize anybody
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 11:10pm On May 20, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:1. Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, and He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel-- the Jews and the Gentiles all of whom are Israelites. ![]() 2. When approached by the woman whom He made clear was a dog, Jesus Christ did not give that which is Holy to her -- God's Law and Gospel.. Rather He allowed her, a Non-Israelite --- have the crumb which fell from the master's table. 3. Rather, Jesus Christ said do not give that which is Holy -- God's Law -- to the dogs aka Non-Israelites. The reference to do He explained in Matthew 15. ![]() Your treasures/pearls- Matthew 13 vs 42 -44-- , He then warned you not to cast to the pigs, most likely a reference to those who have-- you are meant instead to do your giving to the poor. ![]() |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by TakeNigeriaBack: 11:18pm On May 20, 2023 |
PoliteActivist: History written by who? The WHITE colonizers. |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 12:51am On May 21, 2023 |
TakeNigeriaBack: They were the ones being colonized by Christianity, why would they write against themsrlves? |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 1:12am On May 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Bros, can't you see that this your "Jesus is only for Jews" you've been preaching makes no sense. Different if these things just happened last month. These are things that happened thousands of years ago and Christ has been working wonders in Gentiles' lives and communities throughout the centuries, yet here you are still debating "Christ is only for Jews". You should know when an argument is moot.
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Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 2:22am On May 21, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:1. Wait a second... why do you keep insisting that I am the one preaching it abeg? I mean anyone reading your post might think I actually shoved the claims in to the mouth of Jesus Christ or something. Again, carefully process what He said to you. He said, I was sent by the Father ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel There is only one possible meaning to the statement above, no matter the attempts to read different meanings into it. So, I guess my question at this point is why you keep searching online for posts to explain away a simply statement Jesus Christ spoke to lay people during His time? ![]() 2. As for the text you copied from Google to explain away the words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 7 vs 6, since your teacher of choice is Google and not Jesus Christ Himself, does this mean you also reject Jesus Christ's insistence that He alone is only Teacher to those who belong to Him? ![]() |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by PoliteActivist: 2:45am On May 21, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: How do you know Lord Jesus' exact words? Were you there writing them down or did you do the various translations? Words have to be interpreted. Google does not do interpretations, it only refers you to ones done by authoritative bodies. We can see from DIRECT EXPERIENCE over centuries that Lord Jesus is indeed also for Gentiles, and here you are, still arguing an extremely dead point! |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Kobojunkie: 3:39am On May 21, 2023 |
PoliteActivist:1. So what you are saying is none of what is presented in scripture can be trusted as the true word of God rather we need sources like Google to tell us instead what we are to believe? I guess I would ask if this is what God said --- that interpretations from third parties are needed--- bit since you don't trust any of what is written of Him, I guess that would be futile. ![]() 2. So regardless of the fact that it is indicted in Scripture that what we see today is the world awash with the lies of the antichrist, you rather interpret it as direct proof that somehow that decreed by God and confirmed by Jesus Christ in text does not hold any true meaning? I guess it is futile attempting to argue with someone who does not consider the contents of Scripture to be of any real worth. ![]() |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by EnemyofGod2: 6:12am On May 21, 2023 |
No God exist.there is no God. |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by yemzone(m): 8:48am On May 21, 2023 |
You're looking for a god to worship? It was these gods your ancestors worshipped that couldn't save them from being destroyed by the white men. Well, I wish you good luck in your search. |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by moski5(m): 9:16am On May 21, 2023 |
People did things in his name doesn't mean his endorsement, it's their culture not his And remember he was Jewish, he didn't introduce a religion ☯️ What he brought is way bigger than a religion |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by moski5(m): 9:26am On May 21, 2023 |
TakeNigeriaBack:tools have been used wrongly but that's not the point What Jesus Christ brought isn't a religion Religion is man made and is a tool The real thing would blow your mind |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by jaytimeo: 9:32am On May 21, 2023 |
Go and do your research. Maynmann: |
Re: What AFRICAN God Should I Worship, Please? I'm Tired Of Jesus. by Maynmann: 9:36am On May 21, 2023 |
jaytimeo:I have done it, is “olorun” also from portugal according to your own research?
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