Westerhoffe:
If only they read their Bibles properly snd understood its content.

I also had a documentation about it.

ErnestNc:


Exactly. But they never do.

Maximus692:

Unlike you and your pastors deceiving yourselves claiming God/Jesus use to speak with you privately we rely solely on what is found written in God's word and His Holy Spirit directs us to scriptures needed to help us arrive at the right conclusion.
So we don't say God speaks to us that way that's why we make strong disciples who are fully competent and completely equipped to preach and teach since everything they needed for the preaching work is found in the Bible so they can point to verses in God's word!


With the highlighted i will show you what we found in the Bible it's God's Holy Spirit (spirit of pureness and sincerity) that will guide your mental powers to conviction that you've found God's people if you're honest hearted and sincere in your findings so that you will find PEACE in what you're learning! Philippians 4:7

In the beginning God was with one spirit being who was created in God's image {Proverbs 8:22 compare to John 1:1-2} this spirit son of God spent uncountable years with his father until the father decided to give this child an inheritance but he also must work alongside his father as a master workman {Proverbs 8:30} that's why the Bible called Jesus the firstborn of all creations! Colossians 1:15

So the first assignment was to create heaven and since this child is a spirit himself along with his father that was easy for him so God's word said "in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" {Genesis 1:1} note what the next verse say ",and the earth was without form" {Genesis 1:2} this is because the work is no longer about spiritual realms but physical so the son of God needs guidance to do this work, that's why his father stepped in and started directing him on each step to take in the creation of physical things.

The father uses an energy called God's Holy Spirit to accomplish all His purposes so the Bible says "the spirit of God was moving over the waters" {Genesis 1:2} from then you will notice that a voice was instructing someone saying "let this or that be done like ....." {Genesis 1:3, 6, 9, 11,14, 20, 24, 26} that's God's voice instructing His only begotten son on how to work on physical creations!

So it's established that there were two persons that started all this things in the beginning! John 1:1-2

But then how did we know that the second person is the one later known as Archangel Michael?

The word "Archangel" means the angel whose position is higher than all others and only Michael was referred to with that title {Jude 9} all angels are God's spirit sons {Job 1:6; 38:7} the place God created for them to live is heaven while earth is designed for humans! Psalms 115:16
According to Daniel's and Jude's account Satan who is also an angel but rebellious fear only one angel and that's Michael {Daniel 10:13; Jude 6} and Michael is the angel standing for the salvation of God's people {Daniel 12:1} he is the same person who can resurrected the dead with just a call {1Thessalonians 4:16 compare to John 11:43-44} Michael is the commander of all the angels in heaven {Revelations 12:7 compare to Matthew 13:41; 25:31} while Satan is the head of all rebellious angels.

After the creation of heaven and earth with all the things made God's craftsman said "i love humans the most" Proverbs 8:31 and God decreed that whoever disregard this person will be destroyed! Proverbs 8:34 compare to John 3:16

Of course you will be waiting for where the Bible will tell you directly that "Jesus is archangel Michael" but that is not the case remember how God's word foretold that Elijah will come before the Christ {Malachi 4:5} only for Jesus to say John has taken that part and the scriptures say "Emmanuel will be the name of the Christ" Isaiah 7:14 only for Gabriel to tell Joseph that Jesus should be his name! Matthew 1:21

Who will convince unbelieving Jews till today that the Elijah they were expecting has come as John the baptist or that the Messiah whose name according to the scriptures will be Emmanuel has come as Jesus of Nazareth?

Well if you believe in God's word you shouldn't have any problem with this because after Jesus (archangel Michael) returned in 1914 the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses kept growing and moving into all the corners of the earth making strong disciples just as he ordered! Matthew 28:18-20

So it's either you agree or disagree there's no need for arguments but if you have further questions let me know!

Maximus692:
All of you should go and sort out among yourselves why only JWs are most active in doing the work Lord Jesus assigned to his

FxMasterz:

This position of the JWs is the most horrendous and blasphemous heresy in Christiendom. I can't even stomach it because these two personalities are explicitly distinctive and distinguished in scripture. You need a high level of devilry in you to say the Only Begotten Son of the Father is same as Michael the archangel.

FxMasterz:

This position of the JWs is the most horrendous and blasphemous heresy in Christiendom. I can't even stomach it because these two personalities are explicitly distinctive and distinguished in scripture. You need a high level of devilry in you to say the Only Begotten Son of the Father is same as Michael the archangel.

Janosky:


[b]Whose voice resurrects the dead?
1 Thessalonians 4:16 & John 5:28, confirmed it's Jesus Christ.

Who is the Serpent?
Satan is the original serpent.Genesis 3:15, Revelation 12:7-9

Who defeated the original Serpent?
Genesis 3:15, Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8 confirmed it's Jesus Christ.

Who is the leader of angels to battle & victory?
Daniel 10:13, Matthew 25:31, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 , Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8 confirmed it's Jesus Christ.

What about Jude 1:9?
An angel made the statement copied from Zechariah 3:2 saying "Jehovah rebuke you".

The New Testament translators removed the Tetragramatton "YHWH" Jehovah (God the Father of Jesus) and put "Lord" @ Jude1:9 to deceive Christendom sheeples. .

@ Zechariah 3:2 & Jude1:9, an angel says "Jehovah rebuke Satan" using God's word in the same manner Jesus used Matthew 4:10 he quoted from Deuteronomy 6:13 to rebuke Satan

Christendom is familiar with the truth that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.

Maximus692:
All of you should go and sort out among yourselves why only JWs are most active in doing the work Lord Jesus assigned to his disciples globally {Matthew 28:19-20} due to envy you guys will just jump into a bus or street corners disturbing pedestrians with your noise claiming you're preaching whereas

Courz:
The JWs were told that Angel Michael is Jesus by Demons. Remember, their religious leader Joseph Rutherford admitted that when Jesus came in 1919 to select their religion as the one true religion, Jesus took away the Holy Spirit and replaced him with Angels which is not a Biblical doctrine at all.

Rutherford needed to solidify and legitimise their communication with so called Angels so that JWs can easily accept their demonic doctrines and Fake prophecies. But he forgot that his claim isn't Biblical. Rutherford claimed that Jesus saw no need to give them the Holy Spirit again to understand God's word. So, he sent angels to give them supernatural messages from beyond.

These same angels were the same people giving Watchtower False prophecies of when the world would end. Do angels of God give False prophecies? The only beings whose works are these are Demons. Fallen Angels. Has the Bible ever talked about Jesus taking away the Holy Spirit and replacing him with Angels?

Fallen Angels hate Jesus and seek to diminish him. This is the same work of an Antichrist who is working with a Fallen Angel. Fallen Angels work day and night through different religions to reduce the role of Jesus and reduce him to a mere Angel. That's why the Bible says We Must Test the messages we get whether they are from God or from Fallen Angels.


There is a Book Watchtower got from a Roman Catholic Priest who communicated with demons to help him explain the Bible and in that book the demons were attacking Jesus diminishing him. If you read the book, you can feel the demons desperation to reduce Jesus. A lot of what the demons said in that book are what JWs teach. That's a Red Flag. Imagine reducing Jesus, the same Jesus that is a Divine Being, the same Jesus that the Bible said created everything in Heaven and on earth, imagine this powerful being reduced to a mere Angel that is one of his creations. That can only be the work of Fallen Angels. The Bible has already warned Christians against doctrines that are Antichrist like.

JWs are not aware of their history and Watchtower doesn't want that as well. If they knew how their doctrines are formed, they will question their religious leaders. JWs never read their old publications because they regard them as Apostate. Isn't that strange? That your own books are Apostate thereby making you as a religion an Apostate? How did I know about Rutherford admitting to communication with Fallen Angels? From their old publications! No wonder Watchtower never wants JWs to read them. It is even a red flag for a religion to ban its members from investigating their history. You will know something isn't right with them. But since they are forbidden from questioning them, they will accept questionable doctrines.

JWs are under serious spiritual prison and influence. If you investigate their history, you will know that their source of doctrines is Spiritism. In that same old publications, they are taught that the Anointed JWs who are Freemasons will give them messages after they die and those messages are what JWs feed on in their publications today. Remember, these same Anointed JWs are the Channel of Communication.

They are the ones who receive messages from Fallen Angels then organise all the messages into publications for the rest of the JWs to read. Not long ago, in one of their Annual meeting talks, one of their Governing body members claimed that Charles Taze Russell is still running JW Organisation on the path of righteousness from beyond the veil. Rutherford also made that same statement when he was alive. That is what we call Necromancy. Communication with the Dead.

ErnestNc:
This is something kobojunkie, Maximus692 and other JW apologists need to see .
I doubt, like most of their cohorts they truly know and understand the origin and history of JW's true convictions and foundation.

What a mess of an organisation.

ErnestNc:

Doing whose work? The work of God or work of Satan? "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven"

ErnestNc:

This is something kobojunkie, Maximus692 and other JW apologists need to see .
I doubt, like most of their cohorts they truly know and understand the origin and history of JW's true convictions and foundation.
What a mess of an organisation.

ErnestNc:
JWs believes Jesus's preincarnate form was of the personality of the arch angel Michael, and that after which he died ,he continued to serve in the former capacity of his position.

It was never recorded that Jesus returned to heaven and herded the angels of God as Michael , but rather sat at God's right hand as Christ.

Ascribing Lordship to Michael as Christ is a bogus lie and deception of the antichrist. It is written that we have one mediator between God and man and that is the man Jesus Christ , not the spirit arch angel michael. This is nothing but blasphemy and angel worship.

In scriptural context, the two personalities were never juxtaposed alongside each other, except for when it was written that the Lord Jesus would descend from above with the voice of an arch angel.

It was never stated that he was an arch angel , but it simply meant His voice would be in the similitude of the intensity and might of an arch angel declaring war as a celestial being. This is what JWs mis interpret as Jesus being the arch angel Michael.

The antichrist doesn't want us to believe in Jesus , so he tries to dissuade the focus of men into believing in others things as their salvation , things like addiction, inordinate affections , strange movies and music , angel worship, to deceive some persons from their true Messiah.

[Hebrews 1:5-6 KJV
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

[6] And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Even the angels and Michael included worships Jesus because he is The only begotten son of God and Lord of Lord's, a title bestowed on Jesus by God .

It was recorded that when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9).

He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him.

Michael is obviously not the Lord. Even revelations state that he would battle the dragon , but he can't do that without the Lord's permission and that Lord is Jesus.

Jesus had no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord. Michael is not the Lord , but Jesus is. Note this.

Even when revelations recorded that we will reign with the Lord Jesus for a mellinnia , it never mentioned Michael as the who would reign with us, but rather Michael and his angels were spotted battling the dragon.

You can obviously see two distinct personalities carrying out their Separate divine duties as touching the end of days .

Michael is a spirit, he has no body but Jesus has a body(" A body has thou prepared for me" .
Michael will battle the dragon and Jesus will ride on a horse with ten thousands of his saints to destroy the antichrist( a man).

Your fellow Trinitarians have confirmed that Jesus Christ is the angel of the lord @Genesis16:7. The English Bible the Geneva Bible of 1599 (older than the king James Bible) both published by your fellow Trinitarians confessed that Jesus Christ is indeed archangel Michael.


Why would the same ghost be given conflicting information about Jesus Christ to ErnestNc & his fellow Trinitarians?
Oga, stop WAILING on this forum.

Westerhoffe:
If only they read their Bibles properly snd understood its content.
Even an Angel who GOD sent to Daniel confirmed Michael is not the only Archangel, but one of them.

I also had a documentation about it.

Dtruthspeaker:
1) Their wishes

2) Their fear of guilt because Jesus would condemn them when He returns. So they want to wish that Angel Michael's Judgment would be different from Jesus and therefore they would escape condemnation.

So, again, it is still "A Wish" thing! which means that they know that they are worthy of eternal life of damnation, so they are just trying wish their way through it, rather than follow The Way!

MUMU RANTS of DELUSION.

Your fellow 3 deities worshippers conflicting with your GIBBERISH.
The screenshot PROVEN your DELUSION

Janosky:

Your fellow Trinitarians have confirmed that Jesus Christ is the angel of the lord @Genesis16:7. The English Bible the Geneva Bible of 1599 (older than the king James Bible) both published by your fellow Trinitarians confessed that Jesus Christ is indeed archangel Michael.
Why would the same ghost be given conflicting information about Jesus Christ to ErnestNc & his fellow Trinitarians?
Oga, stop WAILING on this forum.

ErnestNc:

I think you should follow the advise on your signature. Practice what you preach and we all can live in peace. Stay blessed 💝

Janosky:


Genesis 16:7 Jesus Christ is indeed archangel Michael.
Archangel Michael is the leader of angels.
Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9,is Jesus Christ the leader of angels?
The Bible truth is bitter to your souls.


Your fellow Trinitarians confessed Jesus Christ is angel of the Lord (Jehovah).

This is one of the very reasons why the British monarchy suppressed the Geneva Bible from gaining widespread access in the English speaking world.

FxMasterz:

This position of the JWs is the most horrendous and blasphemous heresy in Christiendom. I can't even stomach it because these two personalities are explicitly distinctive and distinguished in scripture. You need a high level of devilry in you to say the Only Begotten Son of the Father is same as Michael the archangel.

MUMU RANTS fit for the dustbin.
Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 , Amplified Bible & Geneva Bibles published by your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN you are deluded.

Other evidences I presented here are from your fellow Trinitarians.

Why is the same ghost be given you & them conflicting information?

Westerhoffe:


Thrash..

Nah your fellow Trinitarians burst your bubble.
Oga,Continue WAILING

Janosky:


Nah your fellow Trinitarians burst your bubble.
Oga,Continue WAILING

MrAmbrose:
I just tire for them o

Westerhoffe:
Type another trash again…

Westerhoffe:


Another trash.

Continue WAILING & console yourself.

Janosky:
In your Bible, Paul has more than one name.
Peter has more than one name.
Jesus Christ has more than one name.
Go & figure this out & have peace.

Janosky:


Continue WAILING & console yourself.