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Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by ErnestNc: 11:19am On May 31, 2023 |
JWs believes Jesus's preincarnate form was of the personality of the arch angel Michael, and that after which he died ,he continued to serve in the former capacity of his position. It was never recorded that Jesus returned to heaven and herded the angels of God as Michael , but rather sat at God's right hand as Christ. Ascribing Lordship to Michael as Christ is a bogus lie and deception of the antichrist. It is written that we have one mediator between God and man and that is the man Jesus Christ , not the spirit arch angel michael. This is nothing but blasphemy and angel worship. In scriptural context, the two personalities were never juxtaposed alongside each other, except for when it was written that the Lord Jesus would descend from above with the voice of an arch angel. It was never stated that he was an arch angel , but it simply meant His voice would be in the similitude of the intensity and might of an arch angel declaring war as a celestial being. This is what JWs mis interpret as Jesus being the arch angel Michael. The antichrist doesn't want us to believe in Jesus , so he tries to dissuade the focus of men into believing in others things as their salvation , things like addiction, inordinate affections , strange movies and music , angel worship, to deceive some persons from their true Messiah. [Hebrews 1:5-6 KJV For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? [6] And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Even the angels and Michael included worships Jesus because he is The only begotten son of God and Lord of Lord's, a title bestowed on Jesus by God . It was recorded that when the archangel Michael contended with the Devil and disputed about the body of Moses, he did not dare to bring a condemnation of slander against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (Jude 9). He could not rebuke the Devil on his own, but rather called upon the Lord to rebuke him. Michael is obviously not the Lord. Even revelations state that he would battle the dragon , but he can't do that without the Lord's permission and that Lord is Jesus. Jesus had no such problem with the Devil - He personally rebuked him, since He is the Lord. Michael is not the Lord , but Jesus is. Note this. Even when revelations recorded that we will reign with the Lord Jesus for a mellinnia , it never mentioned Michael as the who would reign with us, but rather Michael and his angels were spotted battling the dragon. You can obviously see two distinct personalities carrying out their Separate divine duties as touching the end of days . Michael is a spirit, he has no body but Jesus has a body(" A body has thou prepared for me" ![]() Michael will battle the dragon and Jesus will ride on a horse with ten thousands of his saints to destroy the antichrist( a man). 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Westerhoffe(m): 11:28am On May 31, 2023 |
If only they read their Bibles properly snd understood its content. Even an Angel who GOD sent to Daniel confirmed Michael is not the only Archangel, but one of them. I also had a documentation about it. 6 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:32am On May 31, 2023 |
1) Their wishes 2) Their fear of guilt because Jesus would condemn them when He returns. So they want to wish that Angel Michael's Judgment would be different from Jesus and therefore they would escape condemnation. ![]() So, again, it is still "A Wish" thing! ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by ErnestNc: 11:34am On May 31, 2023 |
Westerhoffe: Exactly. But they never do. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by FxMasterz: 12:04pm On May 31, 2023 |
ErnestNc:This position of the JWs is the most horrendous and blasphemous heresy in Christiendom. I can't even stomach it because these two personalities are explicitly distinctive and distinguished in scripture. You need a high level of devilry in you to say the Only Begotten Son of the Father is same as Michael the archangel. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Maximus692(m): 12:11pm On May 31, 2023 |
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Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MrAmbrose(m): 12:15pm On May 31, 2023 |
I just tire for them o 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Maximus692(m): 12:34pm On May 31, 2023 |
All of you should go and sort out among yourselves why only JWs are most active in doing the work Lord Jesus assigned to his disciples globally {Matthew 28:19-20} due to envy you guys will just jump into a bus or street corners disturbing pedestrians with your noise claiming you're preaching whereas Lord Jesus commanded his faithful disciples to go and meet people in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} in fact he set the standard by never making noise to disturb passersby {Matthew 12:19} he taught his disciples to love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:31} love their enemies and pray for them {Matthew 5:43-48} and have love among themselves just as he love his disciples! John 13:34-35 All of these you people can't do as a group but you're always disturbed over how the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught are teaching themselves. Why not get to work so that your death faith can be noticed by everyone that you're truly representatives of Jesus? James 2:18-26 You faithless miscreants claiming believers with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines {Luke 11:23} criticizing God's people who have the same line of thought globally! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3 ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:26pm On May 31, 2023 |
Maximus692: See deflection! No one asked you. 5 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:27pm On May 31, 2023 |
FxMasterz: They are devils na, so you ought to expect every work of evil. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Emusan(m): 10:30pm On May 31, 2023 |
FxMasterz: Just imagine! The same Jesus they claimed Jehovah Himself created directly then He was USED to create all OTHER things suddenly become ordinary Angel ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() That was not even enough, they believe there is a spiritual bodies which means all spirit including their God has body. Now, they also claimed Jehovah transferred the LIFE of Jesus to the womb of Mary. Till now, JWs can't explain what happened to Jesus spiritual body when His life was transferred to Mary's womb. The irony of this is that they'll never accept that Jesus came to earth while the spiritual body was hidden in His humanity. So what happened to this spiritual body? You'll wait for the answer tired... ![]() ![]() ![]() 6 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:16am On Jun 01, 2023 |
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Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Courz: 7:50am On Jun 01, 2023 |
The JWs were told that Angel Michael is Jesus by Demons. Remember, their religious leader Joseph Rutherford admitted that when Jesus came in 1919 to select their religion as the one true religion, Jesus took away the Holy Spirit and replaced him with Angels which is not a Biblical doctrine at all. Rutherford needed to solidify and legitimise their communication with so called Angels so that JWs can easily accept their demonic doctrines and Fake prophecies. But he forgot that his claim isn't Biblical. Rutherford claimed that Jesus saw no need to give them the Holy Spirit again to understand God's word. So, he sent angels to give them supernatural messages from beyond. These same angels were the same people giving Watchtower False prophecies of when the world would end. Do angels of God give False prophecies? The only beings whose works are these are Demons. Fallen Angels. Has the Bible ever talked about Jesus taking away the Holy Spirit and replacing him with Angels? [b]Fallen Angels hate Jesus and seek to diminish him. This is the same work of an Antichrist who is working with a Fallen Angel. Fallen Angels work day and night through different religions to reduce the role of Jesus and reduce him to a mere Angel. That's why the Bible says We Must Test the messages we get whether they are from God or from Fallen Angels. There is a Book Watchtower got from a Roman Catholic Priest who communicated with demons to help him explain the Bible and in that book the demons were attacking Jesus diminishing him. If you read the book, you can feel the demons desperation to reduce Jesus. A lot of what the demons said in that book are what JWs teach. That's a Red Flag. Imagine reducing Jesus, the same Jesus that is a Divine Being, the same Jesus that the Bible said created everything in Heaven and on earth, imagine this powerful being reduced to a mere Angel that is one of his creations. That can only be the work of Fallen Angels. The Bible has already warned Christians against doctrines that are Antichrist like. [/b] JWs are not aware of their history and Watchtower doesn't want that as well. If they knew how their doctrines are formed, they will question their religious leaders. JWs never read their old publications because they regard them as Apostate. Isn't that strange? That your own books are Apostate thereby making you as a religion an Apostate? How did I know about Rutherford admitting to communication with Fallen Angels? From their old publications! No wonder Watchtower never wants JWs to read them. It is even a red flag for a religion to ban its members from investigating their history. You will know something isn't right with them. But since they are forbidden from questioning them, they will accept questionable doctrines. JWs are under serious spiritual prison and influence. If you investigate their history, you will know that their source of doctrines is Spiritism. In that same old publications, they are taught that the Anointed JWs who are Freemasons will give them messages after they die and those messages are what JWs feed on in their publications today. Remember, these same Anointed JWs are the Channel of Communication. They are the ones who receive messages from Fallen Angels then organise all the messages into publications for the rest of the JWs to read. Not long ago, in one of their Annual meeting talks, one of their Governing body members claimed that Charles Taze Russell is still running JW Organisation on the path of righteousness from beyond the veil. Rutherford also made that same statement when he was alive. That is what we call Necromancy. Communication with the Dead. 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by ErnestNc: 11:18am On Jun 01, 2023 |
Maximus692: Doing whose work? The work of God or work of Satan? "Not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven" You want us to believe in angel Michael as our Christ and saviour, when the bible made it clear that Michael and Jesus have separate roles, identities and personalities. Jesus is the creator as stated biblically , and by him were all things made, even the angels were made by him, yet you reduce him to being an angel. The creation cannot be the saviour of mankind, but rather the creator. This is why you will forever dwell in falsehood. If there's anything I hate , it is false teaching and doctrines. Even in our local churches I cringe at the hearing of false doctrines and I detest false doctrines and doctrines that soothes the flesh only, now talk more of a sect that claim the arch angel of God is the saviour of mankind. Spits... You are busy spreading the spirit of the antichrist to innocent souls that have initially tabernacled your spirit . You were told about Jesus like the sons of sceva but you never learned of Him neither did you look for him, else you would have known the truth. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by ErnestNc: 11:28am On Jun 01, 2023 |
This is something kobojunkie, Maximus692 and other JW apologists need to see . I doubt, like most of their cohorts they truly know and understand the origin and history of JW's true convictions and foundation. What a mess of an organisation. Courz: 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Courz: 1:24pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
ErnestNc: It is indeed a Mess of an organisation of which Watchtower is desperate to hide from their members. That's why Critical thinking and investigations about the Sect outside their website is strictly forbidden. The moment a JW decides to investigate this religion, his/her eyes will be opened and they will never look at the religion the same again. A religion that bans you from investigating it is a Big Red Flag and you must avoid it at all costs. The Bible does not support blindly following Men. It says we must Test what we are told. As for Kobojunkie, I don't think he or she is a JW due to arguments he or she has had with them in this forum. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:30pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
ErnestNc: With the above words of the Lord himself you've judged yourself! ![]() Now this is what the Lord said in full: “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ *And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!" Matthew 7:21-23 Jehovah's Witnesses aren't shouting Lord! Lord! The way you people does without any fine WORKS to show for it in your churches {James 2:18-26} other than envy and jealousy among yourselves but we are zealously preaching in all our neighbourhood {Matthew 10:11-13} baptizing and teaching them in their homes and in our place of worship {Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 20:20} erasing hatred in their hearts so that they embrace peace with all kinds of people {Matthew 5:39} making them lovers of neighbours {Mark 12:31} lovers of their enemies {Matthew 5:43-48} and lovers of fellow believers! John 13:34-35 Today the whole world can testify to the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have LOVE among ourselves as we don't discriminate no matter the nationality of a believer as long as he is a believer in Christ Jesus. You people will easily pick up weapons against even your own fellow worshipers in the face of politics and racism killing one another at the slightest provocation in the name of patriotism. Abeg who is doing the will of the father of Jesus whose name is LOVE {1John 4:8} and who is doing the will of Satan the killer? John 8:44 Watch what you will type next because there's no excuse after attributing what you know is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} to Satan claiming it's Satan that's using imperfect humans to do such thing! Matthew 12:31-32 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:53pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
ErnestNc: Ọmọ go to Israel and listen to Jews practicing Judaism as they will tell you that Jesus was a cultist who practiced magic to entice people {Matthew 12:24} and that his cult believe in human sacrifice {1John 2:2} they will tell you that he taught his followers to eat his flesh and drink his blood {John 6:56} and that's exactly what they did as soon as they stole his body from the tomb where he was buried. Matthew 28:13 Ọmọ they will continue quoting Jesus' words and his disciples out of context so if you're this gullible you will quickly believe them and dismiss Jesus immediately after hearing his own people telling you all these. Exodus 23:1-2 That's why Apostle Paul told you to "make sure of all things and hold fast to what is fine" 1Thessalonians 5:21 But if you believe what enemies of God's people say without considering the fine WORKS that's obvious to everyone i pity your condition because Jesus Christ said about haters of truth: “A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25 So if Jews in the first century referred to Jesus and his disciples as cultists despite all their fine WORKS what do you think the enemies of Jesus will say about his real disciples who are doing exactly what Jesus taught in the final part of the days? John 15:19 ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:19pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
The Jews in the first century were trailing Jesus' disciples everywhere they go criticizing, accusing, cursing and even attacking them! Mark 9:14-16; John 9:22; Act 13:50; 14:2, 19; 17:13 Note that there were different religious sects all claiming worshipers of the God of Moses just as Jesus' disciples also claim and there was no agreement on teachings and doctrines so those Jews are always at loggerheads when talking about doctrines {Act 23:6-8} all these religions formed alliance against only the Christians! So what's exactly the offense of the Christians? Well it's just that while all other Jewish religions based their teachings on maybe they have the ultimate truth so adherents aren't certain of which sect to choose {Matthew 7:29} Jesus Christ emphatically said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6 And his disciples were teaching anyone who cares to listen that it's only through Jesus' teachings can anyone be saved! Act 4:12 All other Jewish religions who were rivals before Jesus secretly agreed among themselves to destroy Jesus' disciples anywhere they're found. Well that's exactly what is happening to his true disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) today! There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations under one umbrella with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines but since Jehovah's Witnesses claim they're the only group practicing Christianity all others are enraged looking for ways to destroy the group but all these is due to just one reason: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are echoing what Jesus and his disciples said back in the first century "You're not a worshiper of our God if you're not worshiping in our midst" So whatever any religion say about God or Jesus is OK to the new Pharisees and Sadducees of our time as long as you're not claiming the same thing Jesus and his disciples claimed in the first century but once a group stands out all eyes are on that group and their teachings as if Jesus told us that it's by teachings false religions will be identified. This is what Jesus said about false religions that will come after him: “Be on the watch for the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men Matthew 7:15-20 Different religions will rise after Jesus and they will all develop different teachings but can we know the false ones due to their teachings? Jesus said "NO!" Let them get to work with whatever teaching they developed {Matthew 13:29-30} their teachings will yield FRUITS {WORKS} so it's by their FRUITS you will know if they truly belongs to Christ or not. Which of all these religious groups is working on what Jesus commanded his disciples? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Janosky: 8:19pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
ErnestNc: Your fellow Trinitarians have confirmed that Jesus Christ is the angel of the lord @Genesis16:7. The English Bible the Geneva Bible of 1599 (older than the king James Bible) both published by your fellow Trinitarians confessed that Jesus Christ is indeed archangel Michael. Why would the same ghost be given conflicting information about Jesus Christ to ErnestNc & his fellow Trinitarians? Oga, stop WAILING on this forum. ![]()
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Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Janosky: 8:29pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Westerhoffe: Genesis 16:7 Jesus Christ is indeed archangel Michael. Archangel Michael is the leader of angels. Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9,is Jesus Christ the leader of angels? The Bible truth is bitter to your souls. Your fellow Trinitarians confessed Jesus Christ is angel of the Lord (Jehovah). This is one of the very reasons why the British monarchy suppressed the Geneva Bible from gaining widespread access in the English speaking world. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Janosky: 8:37pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: MUMU RANTS of DELUSION. Your fellow 3 deities worshippers conflicting with your GIBBERISH. The screenshot PROVEN your DELUSION ![]() 1 Like
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Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:37pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Janosky:I'll forever be grateful to you guys for locating me! Only Jehovah's Witnesses have what it takes to respond when confronted regarding what we believe {Luke 12:11-12} but if it's misinformed religionists below is always their response: ErnestNc: I'm waiting for him to raise another inquisition against God's people so i can silence him and his cohorts, they're like vipers whose venom can't do anything to us. So i will always respond to their call whenever they demand for a reason of our faith, all they can do is cry and cry and cry, if they've gotten the liver let them go and meet people in their homes if truly they have something tangible to preach and teach like Jehovah's Witnesses who have what it takes to respond to any question! ![]() |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:42pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Thrash... 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Janosky: 8:43pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
FxMasterz: MUMU RANTS fit for the dustbin. Malachi 3:1 & Genesis 16:7 , Amplified Bible & Geneva Bibles published by your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN you are deluded. Other evidences I presented here are from your fellow Trinitarians. Why is the same ghost be given you & them conflicting information? ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Janosky: 8:44pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
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Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:45pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Another trash. 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:49pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Type another trash again… 1 Like |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Janosky: 8:56pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
MrAmbrose: Tire for your DELUSION. Let's reason on the holy scriptures...... Who is the serpent of Genesis 3:15? Revelation 12:7-9 is the answer. Who is the seed of Genesis 3:15 that defeated the serpent? Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8 is the answer. Archangel Michael leads angels in battle, Daniel 10:13. Who is leading angels in battle? Matthew 25:31,2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is the answer. In your Bible, Paul has more than one name. Peter has more than one name. Jesus Christ has more than one name. Go & figure this out & have peace. |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Janosky: 8:57pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Westerhoffe: Westerhoffe: Continue WAILING & console yourself. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Emusan(m): 9:00pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Paul and Peter were addressed by their other names reason why you know about their other names. But where does the Bible or anyone address Jesus as Angel Michael? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: Who Told Jws That Jesus Is The Arch Angel Michael? by Westerhoffe(m): 9:01pm On Jun 01, 2023 |
Janosky: Nice one… You have typed another trash. You don't even know what 'Wailing' means.. :Yet Well, type another trash again and I'll help you thrash it again and again. 3 Likes |
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