Saddamochieng00:
Port of Lamu receives three new Mobile Harbour Cranes delivered to the port by MV UHL Finesse
The state-of-the-art HMCs will enhance operations of the Port as they are electronically -powered,
to provide more efficiency & reliability compared to previous hydraulic-powered ones.

Each crane has a lifting capacity of 100 tons, further expanding the port's capacity for handling larger cargo vessels.

I still don't understand why kenya decided to build Lamu port,it was unnecessary.

Mombasa port was enough for current needs.Constructing Lamu was a waste of money.As u know,a port receives on average about 1 ship a month.That's too low

GeneralDae:

Why should that particular worldview be so important that he should fear for eternal condemnation?

He doesn't have to fear anything if he's right and life is ultimately meaningless. I'm only asking if he ever questions what happens in the event he was wrong?

Saddamochieng00:


He doesn't have to fear anything if he's right and life is ultimately meaningless. I'm only asking if he ever questions what happens in the event he was wrong?

The contradiction here is: Why should God being who we say he is (benevolent, powerful) throw rvp2018 into eternal condemnation because of his wrong worldview and not necessarily because of his deeds?

GeneralDae:

The contradiction here is: Why should God being who we say he is (benevolent, powerful) throw rvp2018 into eternal condemnation because of his wrong worldview and not necessarily because of his deeds?

You do understand that they're Christians who'll suffer eternal condemnation too, right? I believe you're familiar with Christian scripture and understand what it takes to enter heaven.

Another thing is his worldview doesn't have any objective morality so how are you going to classify his deeds as either evil or good.

Kazikazi:
I still don't understand why kenya decided to build Lamu port,it was unnecessary.

Mombasa port was enough for current needs.Constructing Lamu was a waste of money.As u know,a port receives on average about 1 ship a month.That's too low

It's a deeper port and can handle larger vessels than Mombasa and is ultimately part of a bigger plan to open up the North and increase trade with Ethiopia and South Sudan. If successful it will stretch all the way to Douala Cameroon.

Saddamochieng00:


You do understand that they're Christians who'll suffer eternal condemnation too, right? I believe you're familiar with Christian scripture and understand what it takes to enter heaven.

Another thing is his worldview doesn't have any objective morality so how are you going to classify his deeds as either evil or good.

My point exactly. Are those Christians going to suffer eternal condemnation based on their deeds or simply based on what they believed only?

His worldview doesn't have morality agreed, but he has morality right? so why does it matter?

GeneralDae:

My point exactly. Are those Christians going to suffer eternal condemnation based on their deeds or simply based on what they believed only?

His worldview doesn't have morality agreed, but he has morality right? so why does it matter?

They'll suffer condemnation for their deeds while he would suffer condemnation for his non-belief plus his deeds. As I pointed out you cannot live a Christlike life if you don't believe in objective morality. Doesn't work like that.

Korle -Bu

Ghana's largest hospital and one of the largest in West Africa. To do justice to it size, it is more or less a medical city of excellence.

This behemoth will be undergoing upgrades very soon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgpTdjJwnXw

Saddamochieng00:


They'll suffer condemnation for their deeds while he would suffer condemnation for his non-belief plus his deeds. As I pointed out you cannot live a Christlike life if you don't believe in objective morality. Doesn't work like that.

You are mixing things up.
His worldview has no basis for Morality is different from saying he doesn't have morality. If he has morality (however borrowed from religious philosophy) why should it then matter again to God, as long as he practices morality?

What is a christlike life and why can't rvp2018 live a Christlike life better than you and I without even reading the bible?

GeneralDae:

You are mixing things up.
His worldview has no basis for Morality is different from saying he doesn't have morality. If he has morality (however borrowed from religious philosophy) why should it then matter again to God, as long as he practices morality?

What is a christlike life and why can't rvp2018 live a Christlike life better than you and I without even reading the bible?

Doesn't this sound absurd to you? That's like me trying to follow in the teachings of Muhammad without ever touching the Qur'an.

It should matter because he send his own Son down here on earth and while here, he clearly outlined what it would take to receive eternal salvation(Believing in Him). If it's a question of morality that has to be judged based on the written word and it's Impossible for him as an atheist to do this without referring to scripture.

Very simple. Belief+Deeds.

Being moral is human. It has nothing to do with religion. When I sit down and compare my morality with my christian wife - I find her more mean & evil than I. Most christians have to regularly go for morality top ups because of that. If you purpose to do go, not hurt anyone, do right whether you are being watched by other humans or GOD up in the sky, then it become your second nature, and is very internally rewarding, and becomes a good habit.

Most religious people are very duplicitous. Most atheist are very moral and wont hurt a fly. I bet majority of people who contribute heavily to charities and donate their wealth are atheist.

To believe or not believe in GOD is for me a scientific academic logical process that has finally convinced the improbability of a GOD. That is it. Morality is natural - everyone knows right from wrong - without ever going to any church. Anything that hurts someone else is wrong.

GeneralDae:

You are mixing things up.
His worldview has no basis for Morality is different from saying he doesn't have morality. If he has morality (however borrowed from religious philosophy) why should it then matter again to God, as long as he practices morality?

What is a christlike life and why can't rvp2018 live a Christlike life better than you and I without even reading the bible?

Saddamochieng00:


Doesn't this sound absurd to you? That's like me trying to follow in the teachings of Muhammad without ever touching the Qur'an.

It should matter because he send his own Son down here on earth and while here, he clearly outlined what it would take to receive eternal salvation. If it's a question of morality that has to be judged based on the written word and it's Impossible for him as an atheist to do this without referring to scripture.

Very simple. Belief+Deeds.

Again, what is the main teaching of christ and what does christ want from me?

GeneralDae:

Again, what is the main teaching of christ and what does christ want from me?

He wants for you to first of all believe in him.

Saddamochieng00:


He wants for you to first of all believe in him.

Believe in him on what and why?

GeneralDae:

Believe in him on what and why?

Because he's your creator

The idea was gov to spur private investment in port and lamu town - and entire LAPSET corridor to provide South Sudan and South Ethiopia access to the port.

Gov invested in the first 3 berths - the next 10-15 will be done by private developers.

Kazikazi:
I still don't understand why kenya decided to build Lamu port,it was unnecessary.

Mombasa port was enough for current needs.Constructing Lamu was a waste of money.As u know,a port receives on average about 1 ship a month.That's too low

Religion in its entirety is stupid.

I also grew up in a Christian household and was taught to believe that the Christian God was the only true God but after doing some reading of my own at the age of 16 I broke out of the brainwashing. My progress originally went from Christian to deist to a fully fledged atheist.

The fact that god will send an individual to suffer for eternity in fires of hell for not believing his nonsense and demands worship 7 days a week not only sounds like an incredibly insecure deity but a incredibly petty-minded and vindictive god.

Plus, there are like 3000 gods, so what makes the christian one the right one? If you were born in a middle eastern culture, you would be saying that Allah is the only true God. If you were born in place like India you would only believe Lord Shiva to be the true god. If you were born in Japan, you would believe Buddha to be the true god and all others to be wrong.

You only believe christian one be true because you happen to be born in that particular culture.

rvp20182:
Nigeria gov should reduce over borrowing from local banks so the banks awash with deposits will lend to private sector and households. It that simple. Also stop money printing n focus on collecting revenue so as reduce inflation n interest rate.You print money ,inflation rises n so will interest rate..n that mean few will borrow. In short Tinubu gov must be prudent and slowly the pain n poverty will go away

Keep suffering from delusion, u won't get any reply from me concerning economy.
If u re that good in macro economic management, u would have advised ur favorite (ruto) and Kenya won't be where it is today.
Keep the Tom foolery on

TorpedoTortilla:
Religion in its entirety is stupid.

I also grew up in a Christian household and was taught to believe that the Christian God was the only true God but after doing some reading of my own at the age of 16 I broke out of the brainwashing. My progress originally went from Christian to deist to a fully fledged atheist.

The fact that god will send an individual to suffer for eternity in fires of hell for not believing his nonsense and demands worship 7 days a week not only sounds like an incredibly insecure deity but a incredibly petty-minded and vindictive god.

Plus, there are like 3000 gods, so what makes the christian one the right one? If you were born in a middle eastern culture, you would be saying that Allah is the only true God. If you were born in place like India you would only believe Lord Shiva to be the true god. If you were born in Japan, you would believe Buddha to be the true god and all others to be wrong.

You only believe christian one be true because you happen to be born in that particular culture.

You were born in a Christian home,but you were not yet a Christian. No man can force a person to be a Christian. Being born in a Christian home and followed some Christian rites or tradition can't make u a Christian.
Being a Christian is all about your personal decisions which u decide wholeheartedly to follow a Christian God.
Therefore, unfortunately for you,at that age of 16,you decided to not follow him.But again,if u could have decided to put your Faith on him wholeheartedly, then,that's when u are counted as a christian. Don't make this mistake of saying you were a Christian. You were not yet a Christian although you were born in a Christian family.

Your idea of being born in a certain geographical area..
That's is a fallacy. Just like u, a person born in a Christian environments but couldn't become a Christian. Why are u saying if someone is born in Japan then he will be a Buddha?

What I see in you is, you needed a proof to believe. Unfortunately, your method of trying to prove if God exists was wrong. It's not working that way. You can't try to find the proof of God's existence by denying his existence.
What u needed to do to proof his existence was to ask Him in humbeless for him to reveal himself to you

You sound very salty.
I am advising Tinubu.
Not a online lowlife like you.
If Tinubu and his advisors happen to read this - Good for you and your poverty invested Zoo.

Kenya has few fiscal and monetary problems compared to Nigeria - it mostly reducing debt from 65% to 55% - reducing debt repayment from now 55% to 30% - and that will be done in 1-2yrs.

Nigeria problems are legendary.
1) 12B fuel subsidy
2) 50B money printing orgy by Buhari
3) Double digit inflation & Double digit interest rates
5) Lack of electricity and basic infra.
6) World highest non school going kids - education system on total collapse.
7) Collapse healthcare.
Insecurity
9) Low tax revenue
10) Oil dependency.

Those are top 10 problems.

QuietMynd:

Keep suffering from delusion, u won't get any reply from me concerning economy.
If u re that good in macro economic management, u would have advised ur favorite (ruto) and Kenya won't be where it is today.
Keep the Tom foolery on

Exactly - mirror my own journey.

TorpedoTortilla:
Religion in its entirety is stupid.

I also grew up in a Christian household and was taught to believe that the Christian God was the only true God but after doing some reading of my own at the age of 16 I broke out of the brainwashing. My progress originally went from Christian to deist to a fully fledged atheist.

The fact that god will send an individual to suffer for eternity in fires of hell for not believing his nonsense and demands worship 7 days a week not only sounds like an incredibly insecure deity but a incredibly petty-minded and vindictive god.

Plus, there are like 3000 gods, so what makes the christian one the right one? If you were born in a middle eastern culture, you would be saying that Allah is the only true God. If you were born in place like India you would only believe Lord Shiva to be the true god. If you were born in Japan, you would believe Buddha to be the true god and all others to be wrong.

You only believe christian one be true because you happen to be born in that particular culture.

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Is the education you recieved in your home country not teach biology Science? If so, thats pretty concerning.

Biology science didn't come from nothing! If biology science is that superior; then indeed they should be God. Biology and science didn't create you; it's fundamental way to understand nature by developing explanations for structures, process and history of nature! like determining the presence of an exoplanet through the wobble of its host sta. "PRESENCE," in it's term: Already existing!

My only creators are my mother and father not your imaginary friend, bro.

This is laughable! You have been here for pretty much TWO or THREE decades Plus! You know parents produce children but they don't create them. Let's try another logic! We know the process is unending. Someone had to give birth to your parents and the trends strings that way to your greatest grand parents! Long ago, people were not that many_ meaning we're stringing along pyramidic theorem! There must be a human on top on the chain_ science can't do that! There must be an eternal being somewhere taking charge and checking the trend!

Wut?

Babies learn to walk via practice with “assisted walking” from your parents. Emotions are created by the brain, they are a product of biochemical functions connecting a situation with innate and learned schemas, which elicit a physiological response which we proceed to appraise. It is our perception of these processes that we call emotions. Inshort, emotions are chemical reactions.

Such as emotion of love, a chemical compound that compels our instinctual need to breed and pass on our genes ensuring our species survival.

Our morals do not come from your religion. If you actually took time to read whatever book you own with a open and critical mind, you would realise assuming your Christian how immoral of a god you worship. Human morals/ethics developed by society & have improved over time through millennia of trial & error. Humans act in cooperation & in groups, they tend toward higher accuracy than as individuals when deciding on actions affecting the group members. No, we didn't get it from your book, sorry. Inshort, from logic and reason.

It is not my job to prove the existence of a god(s), the one making the claim of "x" thing exist falls onto the claimant, the burden of proof is on you also bible verses are not evidence either so dont even try it.



Yes, Life happened by chance.

All life descends from single cell organisms that were created by several chemical compounds deep within our oceans later evolved over the span of 3 billion years to where we are today. Beautiful, is it not? There is no meaning or purpose and we certainly dont need one provided by someones imaginary friend. We create our own meaning in our lives. We only live once so make the most of it.

As for Big Bang theory. Science doesn't claim to know what happened before the Big Bang but there are multiple theories including Quantum fluctuations. Like rogue waves from a calm sea. Just a function of the system.

I could easily say who created God. Your typical religious nonsense would be "god always existed" but that is not an answer nor is it possible. Your basically just moving the problem of not answering it but he/she/it doesn't exist.



Read the above.



If you believe something without evidence then yes, you are delusional and gullible. There is no need to get bent out of shape. Also, why would I think Science is my god, lol? Its not a belief, Science is purely "the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation, experimentation, and the testing of theories against the evidence obtained".

Religion is based on faith not evidence hence why its seeing a major decline in the rest of the world except for Africa where quality of education so happens to be really bad and your comment is proof of that.

If you hate Science so much, I suggest maybe throwing away your computer and while your at it, all other technology you use.

Read!

It has been argued, however, that it is simply dogmatic for an atheist to assert that no possible evidence could ever give one grounds for believing in God. Instead, atheists should justify their unbelief by showing (if they can) how the assertion is well-taken that there is no evidence that would warrant a belief in God. If atheism is justified, the atheist will have shown that in fact there is no adequate evidence for the belief that God exists, but it should not be part of his task to try to show that there could not be any evidence for the existence of God. If the atheist could somehow survive the death of his present body (assuming that such talk makes sense) and come, much to his surprise, to stand in the presence of God, his answer should be, “Oh! Lord, you didn’t give me enough evidence!” He would have been mistaken, and realize that he had been mistaken, in his judgment that God did not exist. Still, he would not have been unjustified, in the light of the evidence available to him during his earthly life, in believing as he did. Not having any such postmortem experiences of the presence of God (assuming that he could have them), what he should say, as things stand and in the face of the evidence he actually has and is likely to be able to get, is that it is false that God exists. (Every time one legitimately asserts that a proposition is false one need not be certain that it is false. “Knowing with certainty” is not a pleonasm.) The claim is that this tentative posture is the reasonable position for the atheist to take.

Kazikazi:
You were born in a Christian home,but you were not yet a Christian. No man can force a person to be a Christian. Being born in a Christian home and followed some Christian rites or tradition can't make u a Christian.
Being a Christian is all about your personal decisions which u decide wholeheartedly to follow a Christian God.
Therefore, unfortunately for you,at that age of 16,you decided to not follow him.But again,if u could have decided to put your Faith on him wholeheartedly, then,that's when u are counted as a christian. Don't make this mistake of saying you were a Christian. You were not yet a Christian although you were born in a Christian family.

Your idea of being born in a certain geographical area..
That's is a fallacy. Just like u, a person born in a Christian environments but couldn't become a Christian. Why are u saying if someone is born in Japan then he will be a Buddha?

What I see in you is, you needed a proof to believe. Unfortunately, your method of trying to prove if God exists was wrong. It's not working that way. You can't try to find the proof of God's existence by denying his existence.
What u needed to do to proof his existence was to ask Him in humbeless for him to reveal himself to you

You are what they call hypocrites in the Bible and Quran. People like you make the case for atheists. Stop the witchcraft practices in Tanzania.

gallivant:


You are what they call hypocrites in the Bible and Quran. People like you make the case for atheists. Stop the witchcraft practices in Tanzania.

What have u smoked? Grass?

Saddamochieng00:


It's a deeper port and can handle larger vessels than Mombasa and is ultimately part of a bigger plan to open up the North and increase trade with Ethiopia and South Sudan. If successful it will stretch all the way to Douala Cameroon.

You can deepen mombasa to handle all those post panamax ships.
And that could save u money. But what u did was madness,throwing money on something which is just a white elephant.Remember, Ethiopians have Djibouti port. So you are remained with only south Sudan on the north, and SS is small economically. Uganda and north east of DRC can still use mombasa

Private players are already obtaining license to import fuel.

Complete deregulation of the sector.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nigerias-nnpc-winding-down-crude-oil-swap-contracts-ceo-2023-06-04/

Kazikazi:
You can deepen mombasa to handle all those post panamax ships.
And that could save u money. But what u did was madness,throwing money on something which is just a white elephant.Remember, Ethiopians have Djibouti port. So you are remained with only south Sudan on the north, and SS is small economically. Uganda and north east of DRC can still use mombasa

You need to drop this port issue because your sovereignty is in question as we speak!

Kazikazi:
You can deepen mombasa to handle all those post panamax ships.
And that could save u money. But what u did was madness,throwing money on something which is just a white elephant.Remember, Ethiopians have Djibouti port. So you are remained with only south Sudan on the north, and SS is small economically. Uganda and north east of DRC can still use mombasa

The remaining part would be covered by private investors and as I pointed out its part of an intercontinental corridor just like the Northern corridor. The latter would stretch up to DRC with the former stretching up to Cameroon.

Biology science didn't come from nothing! If biology science is that superior; then indeed they should be God. Biology and science didn't create you; it's fundamental way to understand nature by developing explanations for structures, process and history of nature! like determining the presence of an exoplanet through the wobble of its host sta. "PRESENCE," in it's term: Already existing!

I believe I already gave you the definiton of what Science is and Biology explains how life on earth began and evolved. Rest of your comment can be dismissed as religious babble backed by no evidence of your claims.

This is laughable! You have been here for pretty much TWO or THREE decades Plus! You know parents produce children but they don't create them. Let's try another logic! We know the process is unending. Someone had to give birth to your parents and the trends strings that way to your greatest grand parents! Long ago, people were not that many_ meaning we're stringing along pyramidic theorem! There must be a human on top on the chain_ science can't do that! There must be an eternal being somewhere taking charge and checking the trend!

Oh boy.

All life descends from single cell organisms that were created by several chemical compounds deep within our oceans later evolved over the span of 3 billion years to where we are today.

Make sure to actually read what I said. Theory of Evolution explains this pretty well actually, Humans are one of many species of hominid primates. We evolved from other animals that can be traced back down to single cell organisms 3 billion years ago. This is not up for debate. Whats astounding though is the fact that you know that the female o ovum needs a male sperm to fertilize the egg to produce life but then you start bringing your religious dogma that life needed a creator which I have already debunked.

So, yes. My parents essentially are my creators, they are the ones who birthed into being not your genie wish granting friend in the sky.

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Basically, your entire statement comes down to "Haha, you can't prove God doesn't exist either!" which is a typical theist argument and when asked for proof, they default to "just look around you for evidence". No, I can't prove god doesn't exist, no one can prove god doesn't exist nor can anyone prove Hogwarts doesn't exist either but I can say I see no evidence for a god so I see no reason to believe in your god. It is that simple.

Also, this is not how any of this works. You got to provide evidence for your assertion to prove to me that your god exists. You are the original claimant, It is not my job to look for it myself.That is how debates work and basis of innocent-until-proven-guilty in the law of court.

I'm not going to keep going round in circles with you about this especially considering you have next to no knowledge on anything Science related.

GeneralDae:

The contradiction here is: Why should God being who we say he is (benevolent, powerful) throw rvp2018 into eternal condemnation because of his wrong worldview and not necessarily because of his deeds?

Because God is a man-child who will get mad if u dont love him back...a God that is suppose to have created emotions cant control his emotions...always trying to torture people...but its not his fault..it is yours cos why wont you just believe and love him[even if belief and love is not a choice]...so he can save u..from the hell that he created...he had to sacrifice himself to himself for your sins..well not really sacrifice since he is still alive and more powerful ...sitting on the throne...so he sacrificed his weekend...

is it true that europeans are pluggin out trees in kenya and transportin them to europe....

GeneralDae:

You are mixing things up.
His worldview has no basis for Morality is different from saying he doesn't have morality. If he has morality (however borrowed from religious philosophy) why should it then matter again to God, as long as he practices morality?

What is a christlike life and why can't rvp2018 live a Christlike life better than you and I without even reading the bible?

Christainity is not about morality...if u dont believe u burn...even if u do more good to the world ..if u kill 50 million people and at the last hour u ask for forgiveness and cry your eyes to the lord thy God...u go to heaven...and if u lie to save you mother,wife,child and 50 million others ..you burn in hell ...