SIRTee15:


U just contradicting yourself and not even making sense.
Jesus lived 1AD to 33AD. Gospel of Mark was written 50AD. Do the maths...how's the difference 50 years?

The gospel of Christ was written
anywhere in between 70 - 120th
year of the Lord sir.
And Peter already died.

SIRTee15:

Peter died 68 AD, the gospel of Mark was already in circulation in the 60s AD.

Why are you acting like this
on a public forum now?
The gospel of Mark
was written around 70 A.D
- 120 A.D. Use the Google
now

SIRTee15:

U claim Jesus never existed, bring proof. Bring evidence that showed clearly that Jesus never existed. We have historical evidence of existence of Jesus.

No sane mind will base his judgement
on something as feeble as historical
fallacies.
By the way, the burden of evidence
rests on you, not on me. If I told you
I have a snake with limbs in my house
that cooks my meal. you should raise
an eyebrow.
I should be the one to provide you
with evidence since I'm the one who
claims the existence of such.
Me asking you to bring the evidence
that the snake is not in my house shows
a very high level of irresponsibility and
negligence on my path.

I claim Jesus never exist, you claim he did.
You do not believe in the Flying Spaghetti
Monster of the Pastafarians. You are sure
ain't such thing.

Let's say a Pastafarian requests you to
prove the non existent of the Flying
Spaghetti Monster, won't you wonder
whether the guy is got sense at all.

Also if I told you there is a watch that I
inherited from my grandfather that tells
when someone will die. I'll be sensible
enough to not ask you to show proofs
that I'm lying.

You see, it is what it is. Until you can
proof the existence of your imaginary
fairy character called "Yehushua", your
argument doesn't hold water.

Also, I'll need you to read on how
christianity was accepted in the Europes.

Christianity really needs to appreciate
women. They did a lot in the spread of
christianity.

SIRTee15:

That there's no archeology trace of someone is not an evidence of his non-existence.

I beg to disagree with this sir.
There are proofs that Dinosaurs lived.
There are proofs of Hominins.
There are proofs of early civilisations
before mankind.
Okay! There is a proof of the city
of David, but no proof of a man
called David himself.

There is a proof that truly there was a
city in Egypt where the Isrealites once
lived, but they were never slaves as
said by the Bible.

There is a proof that Siddhartha Gautama
Buddha lived.

Those were several years before the time
of your said "Son of God".
Stay with me one sec.
There are proofs that Mohammed
lived.
There is a proof that Umar, Abubakar
lived.

How come there are no other proofs
except historical fallacies about a whole
"son of God".

We are talking about a "Whole son of God"
not an adopted one.

Now think about it. Do you expect me
to believe the same book which claimed
that snakes talked?
A book that didn't know that the sun is
always still?
A book full of old wives fables to amuse
kids?

No I'm not gonna do that bro.

FRANCISTOWN:

The gospel of Christ was written
anywhere in between 70 - 120th
year of the Lord sir.
And Peter already died.

Why are you acting like this
on a public forum now?
The gospel of Mark
was written around 70 A.D
- 120 A.D. Use the Google
now



No sane mind will base his judgement
on something as feeble as historical
fallacies.
By the way, the burden of evidence
rests on you, not on me. If I told you
I have a snake with limbs in my house
that cooks my meal. you should raise
an eyebrow.
I should be the one to provide you
with evidence since I'm the one who
claims the existence of such.
Me asking you to bring the evidence
that the snake is not in my house shows
a very high level of irresponsibility and
negligence on my path.

I claim Jesus never exist, you claim he did.
You do not believe in the Flying Spaghetti
Monster of the Pastafarians. You are sure
ain't such thing.

Let's say a Pastafarian requests you to
prove the non existent of the Flying
Spaghetti Monster, won't you wonder
whether the guy is got sense at all.

Also if I told you there is a watch that I
inherited from my grandfather that tells
when someone will die. I'll be sensible
enough to not ask you to show proofs
that I'm lying.

You see, it is what it is. Until you can
proof the existence of your imaginary
fairy character called "Yehushua", your
argument doesn't hold water.

Also, I'll need you to read on how
christianity was accepted in the Europes.

Christianity really needs to appreciate
women. They did a lot in the spread of
christianity.


I beg to disagree with this sir.
There are proofs that Dinosaurs lived.
There are proofs of Hominins.
There are proofs of early civilisations
before mankind.
Okay! There is a proof of the city
of David, but no proof of a man
called David himself.

There is a proof that truly there was a
city in Egypt where the Isrealites once
lived, but they were never slaves as
said by the Bible.

There is a proof that Siddhartha Gautama
Buddha lived.

Those were several years before the time
of your said "Son of God".
Stay with me one sec.
There are proofs that Mohammed
lived.
There is a proof that Umar, Abubakar
lived.

How come there are no other proofs
except historical fallacies about a whole
"son of God".

We are talking about a "Whole son of God"
not an adopted one.

Now think about it. Do you expect me
to believe the same book which claimed
that snakes talked?
A book that didn't know that the sun is
always still?
A book full of old wives fables to amuse
kids?

No I'm not gonna do that bro.

Show me the historical evidence of Muhammad.

SIRTee15:


Show me the historical evidence of Muhammad.

There are just too many
Well, there is more evidence about existence of Honorable Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, than any other human being from that age (even from hundreds of year after him).

I will like to share evidence from non-Islamic sources, in case you don’t trust Muslims just because they are Muslims.

Prophet Muhammad sent letters to various heads of the states, that are still present. You can read more about them here.

Evidences in the historical records of other nations. There's a book by Robert Hoyland that lists more than 120 documents that point to Muhammad's existence. This book named Seeing Islam as Others Saw It, includes evidence from various sources including Greek, Syrian, Coptic, Armenian, Latin, Jewish, Persian and Chinese.

And then there was a Ninth century Byzantine chronicler Theophanes the Confessor who gave a biography of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He said here:

In this year died Mouamed, the leader and false prophet of the Saracens, after appointing his kinsman Aboubacharos (to his chieftainship).[1] At the same time his repute spread abroad) and everyone was frightened.

He did not mentioned Honorable Prophet Muhammad in best of the words due to his sheer ignorance, but still his account proves the existence of Prophet Muhammad.

You can read more details in the following link, actually I most of my answer from the following link.
Quora

The tombs of Muhammad, Abubakar, Umar and Aisha are still here until this very day.

Where is the tomb of Jesus?

FRANCISTOWN:

There are just too many
Well, there is more evidence about existence of Honorable Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, than any other human being from that age (even from hundreds of year after him).

I will like to share evidence from non-Islamic sources, in case you don’t trust Muslims just because they are Muslims.

Prophet Muhammad sent letters to various heads of the states, that are still present. You can read more about them here.

Evidences in the historical records of other nations. There's a book by Robert Hoyland that lists more than 120 documents that point to Muhammad's existence. This book named Seeing Islam as Others Saw It, includes evidence from various sources including Greek, Syrian, Coptic, Armenian, Latin, Jewish, Persian and Chinese.

And then there was a Ninth century Byzantine chronicler Theophanes the Confessor who gave a biography of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. He said here:

In this year died Mouamed, the leader and false prophet of the Saracens, after appointing his kinsman Aboubacharos (to his chieftainship).[1] At the same time his repute spread abroad) and everyone was frightened.

He did not mentioned Honorable Prophet Muhammad in best of the words due to his sheer ignorance, but still his account proves the existence of Prophet Muhammad.

You can read more details in the following link, actually I most of my answer from the following link.
Quora

The tombs of Muhammad, Abubakar, Umar and Aisha are still here until this very day.

Where is the tomb of Jesus?

I thought u were going to bring archeological evidence of Muhammed but u brought written text.
So why do u reject historical written evidence of Jesus by Tacitus, Josephus etc. Is this not double standard.

Jesus has no tomb, u should know that if u were ever a Christian.

SIRTee15:


I thought u were going to bring archeological evidence of Muhammed but u brought written text.
So why do u reject historical written evidence of Jesus by Tacitus, Josephus etc. Is this not double standard.

Jesus has no tomb, u should know that if u were ever a Christian.

SirTee are you honestly whining me?

Please read thru what I posted again.

Again, the Bible says Jesus got tomb but he rose from it.

Where is that tomb where he rose from?

At least we know where Muhammad's tomb is

FRANCISTOWN:


SirTee are you honestly whining me?

Please read thru what I posted again.

Again, the Bible says Jesus got tomb but he rose from it.

Where is that tomb where he rose from?

At least we know where Muhammad's tomb is

An empty tomb is useless, it's inconsequential. U can visit the holy sepulchre aedicle in Jerusalem if u obsessed with empty tomb. Some people worship it anyway.
Same way people point to above as traditional burial site of Jesus is the same way people point to green dome in al masjid nabawi as burial site of Muhammad. There's no archeological or historical evidence that confirms Muhammad was buried in the grave, no engraved inscription dating back to 7th century anywhere near the site confirming it's the burial site.
In fact, the first record of such place being the burial site of Muhammed appeared in the 9th century.

Now answer my question, why did u reject the textual evidence of Jesus existence but presented to me the textual evidence of Muhammed. Is that not hypocrisy?

SIRTee15:


There's no archeological or historical evidence that confirms Muhammad was buried in the grave, no engraved inscription dating back to 7th century anywhere near the site confirming it's the burial site.
In fact, the first record of such place being the burial site of Muhammed appeared in the 9th century.

Don't argue what you do not know.
Use Google.
There are several archeological facts that Mohammed lived.
Several of the relics are still available until these days.

What you are even saying is funny. I'm not a fan of Mohammed, but the evidence of Muhammad's existence is Crystal clear unlike that of Jesus.

Mohammed lived, but Jesus didn't

I'm not saying anything on this again because I don't know how a grown man like you would say there are no proofs of the existence of Mohammed. When the Google is available unto you.

I won't argue on behalf of the Muslims. Let them come and do justice on behalf of their prophet.

Whether Jesus or Mohammed or IFA or whatever it is. I'm not an advocate of any religion.

My way of life is common sense and reasoning.


In fact, the first record of such place being the burial site of Mohammed appeared in the 9th century.

SIRTee15:

Now answer my question, why did u reject the textual evidence of Jesus existence but presented to me the textual evidence of Mohammed. Is that not hypocrisy?

The textual evidences of Mohammed's existence are leading to factual and hard evidence. At least, there is a place called the tomb of Mohammed. Several other historical report mentioned Mohammed, the letters he sent to kings are captured all over historical reports.
You are making me use Google in a way I don't wanna use it these days.
Oya check this

After that, come back and tell me that Mohammed never lived.

Go to isreal and ask about Jesus, many don't even know him. Is this playing? Can you say the same for Mohammed in UAE?

FRANCISTOWN:


Don't argue what you do not know.
Use Google.
There are several archeological facts that Mohammed lived.
Several of the relics are still available until these days.

What you are even saying is funny. I'm not a fan of Mohammed, but the evidence of Muhammad's existence is Crystal clear unlike that of Jesus.

Mohammed lived, but Jesus didn't

I'm not saying anything on this again because I don't know how a grown man like you would say there are no proofs of the existence of Mohammed. When the Google is available unto you.

I won't argue on behalf of the Muslims. Let them come and do justice on behalf of their prophet.

Whether Jesus or Mohammed or IFA or whatever it is. I'm not an advocate of any religion.

My way of life is common sense and reasoning.


In fact, the first record of such place being the burial site of Mohammed appeared in the 9th century.



The textual evidences of Mohammed's existence are leading to factual and hard evidence. At least, there is a place called the tomb of Mohammed. Several other historical report mentioned Mohammed, the letters he sent to kings are captured all over historical reports.
You are making me use Google in a way I don't wanna use it these days.
Oya check this

After that, come back and tell me that Mohammed never lived.

Go to isreal and ask about Jesus, many don't even know him. Is this playing? Can you say the same for Mohammed in UAE?

Mr Man, I've used Google but can't find any archeological evidence of Muhammed. If u have any, bring it here and let's examine it. A tomb that have no engraved marking dated in the 7th century cannot be regarded as archeological.
I can as well accept the oranmiyan staff in Ife as real and that oranmiyan was a giant who was 18feet tall thus needed such staff.

What's my business if Muhammed is real or fake. The later only makes Islam worse. My problem with u is accepting textual evidence of Muhammed but rejecting same evidence of Jesus.

Muhammed was an Arab king in the 7th century who United the Arab tribes into one state...he's not an obscured nobody during his life time. There should be multiple textual evidence of his existence. Unfortunately, what we have are scanty, weak and doubtful inference in 1-2 letters of this man prior to the 9th century.
So much for a king and a supposed popular historical figure during his time.
Where are the letters he wrote to the Syrians, Egyptian, Persians and the Byzantine empires.
Sebi it was said he met with the Roman emperor Heraclitus. Where is the historical evidence of such meeting?
The Arab were great poets in the 7th century, how come we can't find any 7th Arab writings of their great king.
Even when the Christian Syriac people were defeated, they mentioned Arab invasion but nothing about Muhammed.

The so called Mecca city was only mentioned in historical context around 8th century after Islam had taken deep root. Mecca was meant to be an ancient city where Adam and Abraham visited but there's no ancient map depicting a region called Mecca and no historical reference to such city prior to 7th century AD.

SIRTee15:


Mr Man, I've used Google but can't find any archeological evidence of Muhammed. If u have any, bring it here and let's examine it. A tomb that have no engraved marking dated in the 7th century cannot be regarded as archeological.
I can as well accept the oranmiyan staff in Ife as real and that oranmiyan was a giant who was 18feet tall thus needed such staff.

What's my business if Muhammed is real or fake. The later only makes Islam worse. My problem with u is accepting textual evidence of Muhammed but rejecting same evidence of Jesus.

Muhammed was an Arab king in the 7th century who United the Arab tribes into one state...he's not an obscured nobody during his life time. There should be multiple textual evidence of his existence. Unfortunately, what we have are scanty, weak and doubtful inference in 1-2 letters of this man prior to the 9th century.
So much for a king and a supposed popular historical figure during his time.
Where are the letters he wrote to the Syrians, Egyptian, Persians and the Byzantine empires.
Sebi it was said he met with the Roman emperor Heraclitus. Where is the historical evidence of such meeting?
The Arab were great poets in the 7th century, how come we can't find any 7th Arab writings of their great king.
Even when the Christian Syriac people were defeated, they mentioned Arab invasion but nothing about Muhammed.

The so called Mecca city was only mentioned in historical context around 8th century after Islam had taken deep root. Mecca was meant to be an ancient city where Adam and Abraham visited but there's no ancient map depicting a region called Mecca and no historical reference to such city prior to 7th century AD.

I won't argue on behalf of another religion.
Since you didn't know how to use Google.
You can create a thread on it and see how people will laugh you to scorn.

Both Yhwh and Allah to me are just the same thing. Guess what? Imaginary

The love of God for us


John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.


When Adam sinned, he lost the direct access he initially had with God. (Genesis 3) God decided to send his only begotten son (Jesus) to pay the price for our sins on the cross of calvary because of his love for us. When Christ resurrected, he restored all privileges that we once had and brought redemption to us all. All we need is to believe that he died for our sin and has once again granted us direct access with God. No longer through an intermediary! (Mathew 27:50-53).

Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

If our earthly parents care so much for us, how much more our father in heaven! (Luke 11:11-13). God’s love for us is infinite. He has promised to supply all our needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. (Philipians 4:19).


Prayer of Salvation

Lord Jesus, I accept and acknowledge you as my personal lord and savior. I sincerely ask that you forgive my sins. Come into my life and pour out your spirit on me. By faith, I receive the promise of the father, which is the holy spirit. (John 14:16) I thank you for the price that you paid for me on the cross of calvary. Thank you for my redemption. I pray that your power, grace and favor will abide with me now and forever more. Amen.

FRANCISTOWN:


I won't argue on behalf of another religion.
Since you didn't know how to use Google.
You can create a thread on it and see how people will laugh you to scorn.

Both Yhwh and Allah to me are just the same thing. Guess what? Imaginary

U brought Muhammed here to brag not the Muslims, so it's fair u receive the heat.
As I told u earlier, be mindful of what I bring online esp if u not intellectually sound. People here will call u out for making claims without objective evidence.

Kobojunkie:
Read the book for yourself and stop depending on the potential vomit from the mouth of others.

As if the book itself isn’t vomit from the mouth of others.

SIRTee15:



U brought Muhammed here to brag not the Muslims, so it's fair u receive the heat.

Lol, which heat??
I'm sorry to say, but you are just deluding yourself.
I've not really seen anything substantial in what you've been saying so far and it bores me like crazy.

Mohammed himself handed down Al Qur'an, he recited it to his scribes orally which they wrote down at his presence and it was finally packaged together after his death .
The University of Birmingham discovered that in 2015.


The first gospel of Jesus was written after he had died. No one wrote anything down when Jesus was alive.

There is a grave of Mohammed, his right and left hand man. Al Abubakr and Omar and Aisha.
There is no grave where the "said Jesus" rose.

There are other historical reports from different empire that Mohammed sent letters, these are captured in other empire's historical facts.

No one can tell whether Jesus sent anything, nothing about him at all. They are not even sure about his physical appearance. Too many lies about that guy.

The various relics of Mohammed, his followers, and other items purportedly associated with Mohammed were brought to Topkapı Palace in Istanbul, where they remain to this day

Nothing about Jesus could be found.

Now in the last century, a rock inscription was discovered in mount Sela containing the names of prophet Muhammad, Ali, Salman, and Saad. That confirms the
battle fought by the anti islamic forces of Quraish and Ghatanfan against Muslims of Madinah. Muslims were under the lead of Prophet Muhammad. A companion is the prophet, Salman the Persian advised to build a trench around the city North of the mount Sela. During the battle, prophet's cousin, Ali ibn Abu Talib showed great bravery fighting at two fronts.

Nothing can be shown for your said Jesus

There are many artifacts, inscriptions, manuscripts and coins from his era, confirmed by radio carbon dating, numismatics, and epigraphy that confirm the existence of Mohammed, not just relics.

Nothing can be said about your "said Jesus"

I really don't wanna sound insultive because Mohammed is probably the most influential person to ever walk on this Earth.

You can say Mohammed was a false prophet, but anyone who says there are no reasonable proofs that Mohammed once lived is the epitome of illiteracy in mankind.

Mohammed ibn Abdullah. I don't like Islam, but I like Mohammed, that guy was a leader like no other, so brave and courageous. He was an illiterate yet he made so much impact.

Your Jesus that could read and write at an early age. What did he write?

SIRTee15:

As I told u earlier, be mindful of what I bring online esp if u not intellectually sound. People here will call u out for making claims without objective evidence.

You are the one who is being unrealistic here.
No offense intended.
Whether Muhammad is in the grave or not, at least there is a place where they call the grave of Mohammed. You won't be the one to tell, do you have a solid proof that he's not in the grave?
You are beginning to bore me to death with your reasoning

FRANCISTOWN:

Lol, which heat??
I'm sorry to say, but you are just deluding yourself.
I've not really seen anything substantial in what you've been saying so far and it bores me like crazy.

Mohammed himself handed down Al Qur'an, he recited it to his scribes orally which they wrote down at his presence and it was finally packaged together after his death .
The University of Birmingham discovered that in 2015.


The first gospel of Jesus was written after he had died. No one wrote anything down when Jesus was alive.

There is a grave of Mohammed, his right and left hand man. Al Abubakr and Omar and Aisha.
There is no grave where the "said Jesus" rose.

There are other historical reports from different empire that Mohammed sent letters, these are captured in other empire's historical facts.

No one can tell whether Jesus sent anything, nothing about him at all. They are not even sure about his physical appearance. Too many lies about that guy.

The various relics of Mohammed, his followers, and other items purportedly associated with Mohammed were brought to Topkapı Palace in Istanbul, where they remain to this day

Nothing about Jesus could be found.

Now in the last century, a rock inscription was discovered in mount Sela containing the names of prophet Muhammad, Ali, Salman, and Saad. That confirms the
battle fought by the anti islamic forces of Quraish and Ghatanfan against Muslims of Madinah. Muslims were under the lead of Prophet Muhammad. A companion is the prophet, Salman the Persian advised to build a trench around the city North of the mount Sela. During the battle, prophet's cousin, Ali ibn Abu Talib showed great bravery fighting at two fronts.

Nothing can be shown for your said Jesus

There are many artifacts, inscriptions, manuscripts and coins from his era, confirmed by radio carbon dating, numismatics, and epigraphy that confirm the existence of Mohammed, not just relics.

Nothing can be said about your "said Jesus"

I really don't wanna sound insultive because Mohammed is probably the most influential person to ever walk on this Earth.

You can say Mohammed was a false prophet, but anyone who says there are no reasonable proofs that Mohammed once lived is the epitome of illiteracy in mankind.

Mohammed ibn Abdullah. I don't like Islam, but I like Mohammed, that guy was a leader like no other, so brave and courageous. He was an illiterate yet he made so much impact.

Your Jesus that could read and write at an early age. What did he write?




You are the one who is being unrealistic here.
No offense intended.
Whether Muhammad is in the grave or not, at least there is a place where they call the grave of Mohammed. You won't be the one to tell, do you have a solid proof that he's not in the grave?
You are beginning to bore me to death with your reasoning

Yarning dust as usual without evidence.
In that case I believe Oranmiyan is 18 feet tall, his staff in Ile Ife is a proof.
Case closed.

I'm not surprised Muhammed is your role model. You sound like a closet Muslim.
The best of mankind who sold 2 black slaves to buy a white slave..I guess those blacks slaves didn't want freedom.
He sold six slave women to buy a Jewish woman. He had six slaves surplus to requirements but couldn't free them.
He had sex slaves and told his companions to do the same by having sex with captured married women while their husband were still alive.
Not yet done, he married his son's wife. When tongue started wagging he abolished adoption declaring it illegal in order to legitimise his shameful atrocious act.
Not yet done, he declared only him could have more than 4 wives. But that couldn't satisfy him, he went on to declare he has every right to sleep with any woman that desired him. When he couldn't handle the pressure, he quickly brought a revelation that Allah said he should be selective in his choice.
Even smart Aisha saw thru his shenanigans, she told him 'This Allah is just too convenient for u'.


Narrated Aishah: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Messenger and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them, and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside (her turn temporarily) it is no sin on you (to receive her again).” (V.33:51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires (hawa).”[1]

Let's not forget Muhammed is an armed bandit, a genocidal murderer who wiped out a whole Jewish tribe and coveted their wealth. If he existed in our time, he would have been paid a visit by American missile drones or locked up in jail for his crimes against humanity.

He's definitely not the best of men no doubt, but for him to be your role model says a lot about your person and character.

Even smart Muslims don't preach Islam with Muhammed, instead they use Jesus claiming he's a Muslim.
We done here. I wish I never spoke to u. TenQ warned me about people like u, sad I never listened.

SIRTee15:


Yarning dust as usual without evidence.
In that case I believe Oranmiyan is 18 feet tall, his staff in Ile Ife is a proof.
Case closed.

I'm not surprised Muhammed is your role model. You sound like a closet Muslim.
The best of mankind who sold 2 black slaves to buy a white slave..I guess those blacks slaves didn't want freedom.
He sold six slave women to buy a Jewish woman. He had six slaves surplus to requirements but couldn't free them.
He had sex slaves and told his companions to do the same by having sex with captured married women while their husband were still alive.
Not yet done, he married his son's wife, when tongue started wagging he abolished adoption declaring it illegal to legitimise his shameful atrocious act.
Not yet done, he declared only him could have more than 4 wives. But that couldn't satisfy him, he went on to declare he has every right to sleep with any woman that desired him. When he couldn't handle the pressure, he quickly brought a revelation that Allah said he should be selective in his choice.
Even smart Aisha saw thru his shenanigans, she told him 'This Allah is just too convenient for u'.


Narrated Aishah: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah’s Messenger and I used to say, “Can a lady give herself (to a man)?” But when Allah revealed: “You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive whom you will. And whomsoever you desire of those whom you have set aside (her turn temporarily) it is no sin on you (to receive her again).” (V.33:51) I said (to the Prophet), “I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires (hawa).”[1]

Let's not forget Muhammed is an armed bandit, a genocidal murderer who wiped out a whole Jewish tribe and coveted their wealth. If he existed in our time, he would have been paid a visit by American missile drones or locked up in jail for his crimes against humanity.

He's definitely not the best of men no doubt, but for him to be your role model says a lot about your person and character.

Even smart Muslims don't preach Islam with Muhammed, instead they use Jesus claiming he's a Muslim.
We done here. I wish I never spoke to u. TenQ warned me about people like u, sad I never listened.

Both Mohammed and Jesus can both hug the dead.

By the way. Didn't Abraham, Isaac, Jacob , Esau all have slaves? So what are you saying?

Mohammed did what dey did best in his time, the same way your YHWH committed genocide out of his stupidity and unquenched jealousy.

Didn't Isrealites part away with the wealth of the Egyptians after killing their first borns?
Didn't Abraham and David take spoils of war?

Didn't Moses do the same to the Canaanites?

What about Joshua?

Lol🤣🤣🤣. I swr, you are just so hypocritical.
I'm not surprised you said Mohammed had sex slaves. Who was Hagar to Abraham?
Hagar was also an Egyptian slave woman but what did Abraham do?
He smashed her and even sent her away.

Abraham also had several other sex slaves aside Hagar.
What about David, the great great .... grandfather of your Jesus, what did he do?

Lol. Ha! I like this dream you are having but it's high time you woke up

Chai! These Christan guys are unbelievable. I can never like you people.

You are criticizing someone else for what you did worse of.🤣🤣🤣

PeterObi4Presid:


"So Philip ran up to it and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. He asked him, “Do you understand what you're reading?” The man replied, “How in the world can I, unless someone guides me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him."
Acts 8:30-31.
So what's in wrong in someone seeking answers?

If only you read the book you would understand the reason for this

FRANCISTOWN:


Both Mohammed and Jesus can both hug the dead.

By the way. Didn't Abraham, Isaac, Jacob , Esau all have slaves? So what are you saying?

Mohammed did what dey did best in his time, the same way your YHWH committed genocide out of his stupidity and unquenched jealousy.

Didn't Isrealites part away with the wealth of the Egyptians after killing their first borns?
Didn't Abraham and David take spoils of war?

Didn't Moses do the same to the Canaanites?

What about Joshua?

Lol🤣🤣🤣. I swr, you are just so hypocritical.
I'm not surprised you said Mohammed had sex slaves. Who was Hagar to Abraham?
Hagar was also an Egyptian slave woman but what did Abraham do?
He smashed her and even sent her away.

Abraham also had several other sex slaves aside Hagar.
What about David, the great great .... grandfather of your Jesus, what did he do?

Lol. Ha! I like this dream you are having but it's high time you woke up

Chai! These Christan guys are unbelievable. I can never like you people.

You are criticizing someone else for what you did worse of.🤣🤣🤣

Shut up you this shameless paedophile.
Where did I say those bible characters were my role models.

Unlike u that shamelessly claim someone who raped a 6 year old girl is your role model to follow.

A 53 year old man mounting a helpless 9 year old girl...what an aberration. No wonder Aisha died childless, the crazy man had destroyed the poor girl's womb at an early age.

Continue hunting for small girls, your day of reckoning is at hand. It doesn't matter whether you are in Nigeria or abroad. U will end up in jail or possibly burnt alive if in naija.

SIRTee15:


Shut up you this shameless paedophile.
Where did I say those bible characters were my role models.

Unlike u that shamelessly claim someone who raped a 6 year old girl is your role model to follow.

A 53 year old man mounting a helpless 9 year old girl...what an aberration. No wonder Aisha died childless, the crazy man had destroyed the poor girl's womb at an early age.

Continue hunting for small girls, your day of reckoning is at hand. It doesn't matter whether you are in Nigeria or abroad. U will end up in jail or possibly burnt alive if in naija.

Many people like David, not considering what he did to Uriah, why? They love something about him that people even name their kids after him.
Does that mean they are also adulterers and murderers?
SENSE


Many also like Solomon, not considering his lack of sexual discipline. They still name their children after him.
Does that mean they also support having 1000 women as sexual partners?
SENSE.

Abraham is considered the father of your faith.
Many people even pray his blessings.
Does that mean they also support the fact that he slept with Hagar and sent her away?
SENSE.

I say this again, that I like Mohammed because he was a skilled man of war, he did what he did very good, an illiterate man who commanded literate men, he was courageous and fearless, a business man and politician.

I've stated the reasons I like him. Whatever you presume is on you. I don't care what you think and how you feel, honestly, that's the least of my bother. As long as your Bible has nothing against those men I've stated up there, you also have nothing against Mohammed.

It's about time people started using their sense

FRANCISTOWN:



Many people like David, not considering what he did to Uriah, why? They love something about him that people even name their kids after him.
Does that mean they are also adulterers and murderers?
SENSE


Many also like Solomon, not considering his lack of sexual discipline. They still name their children after him.
Does that mean they also support having 1000 women as sexual partners?
SENSE.

Abraham is considered the father of your faith.
Many people even pray his blessings.
Does that mean they also support the fact that he slept with Hagar and sent her away?
SENSE.

I say this again, that I like Mohammed because he was a skilled man of war, he did what he did very good, an illiterate man who commanded literate men, he was courageous and fearless, a business man and politician.

I've stated the reasons I like him. Whatever you presume is on you. I don't care what you think and how you feel, honestly, that's the least of my bother. As long as your Bible has nothing against those men I've stated up there, you also have nothing against Mohammed.

It's about time people started using their sense

Paedophile lover, u can't hide behind one finger to justify for your fantasy for Muhammed.
Up till today lot of people believed likes of idin Amin and Adolf Hitler's were great men who should be adored as role models. It doesn't matter if they gaslighted millions in gas chambers or were cannibals.
People love and respect their prowess, bravery and ability to control millions.
So uve said nothing. Just like your failure to produce historical evidence of your fantasy man.
You believe on Muhammad, I believe in 14 feet giant Oranmiyan. Case closed.

At least there would have been one statue of Muhammad if he was a historical character. I feel that those who invented Muhammad wanted to do a better job than those who inventer Jesus Christ.

SIRTee15:


Paedophile lover, u can't hide behind one finger to justify for your fantasy for Muhammed.
Up till today lot of people believed likes of idin Amin and Adolf Hitler's were great men who should be adored as role models. It doesn't matter if they gaslighted millions in gas chambers or were cannibals.
People love and respect their prowess, bravery and ability to control millions.
So uve said nothing. Just like your failure to produce historical evidence of your fantasy man.
You believe on Muhammad, I believe in 14 feet giant Oranmiyan. Case closed.

I think you have comprehension issues. I've been trying as much as possible not to insult you.

Please just avoid me, if you can't relate like someone who has at least a fish brain.
When did I tell you I believe in Mohammed, are you blind or you broke your reading glasses?

Why do you keep forcing yourself to display irresponsible acts on a public forum like this now?
Isn't this disgusting? A grown ass man.
Won't your kids be ashamed of you if they saw this post now?

Ha! How did "I like someone because he's courageous" turn to "He is my role model?"
I like Tupac Amaru Shakur, is it tantamount to "2Pac is my role model"? I'm not even into rap.

It's either you have comprehension issues or you simply don't understand English language.

@the emboldened, when did I ever mention it on this thread that I believe Mohammed?
I like Mohammed because he was a skilled fighter and politician, I like Buddha because he was extremely intelligent, I like Gandhi because he was good at leading people,I like Sir. Albert Einstein, Sir. Isaac Newton, Stephen Hawkings, I like Elon Musk because he is rich and intelligent. Now did that mean I believe in any of them or I want to be like them?

Seriously? Really? Indeed one needs a level of brain emptiness to be a theist, especially a christian. You guys are the dumbest in this life with your fake imaginary useless god

FRANCISTOWN:


I won't argue on behalf of another religion.
Since you didn't know how to use Google.
You can create a thread on it and see how people will laugh you to scorn.

Both Yhwh and Allah to me are just the same thing. Guess what? Imaginary

your triple standards is marvelling. You first said that the onus is on the guy to prove jesus's existence, you went further to state that Muhammed is real and when he asked you for proof(being that the onus is now on you) you quickly chickened out. I do not know how many religious books you have read but I can say that jesus(Yeshua) is referenced in the masonic bible, the roscrussian texts and even some budhits texts. In particular the roscrussian texts give detailed accounts of the life of jesus from his 12 y.o to 30 years (which are obviously missing in the bible). The Buddhist texts talk about jesus coming from India to china.

43Ronin:

your triple standards is marvelling. You first said that the onus is on the guy to prove jesus's existence, you went further to state that Muhammed is real and when he asked you for proof(being that the onus is now on you) you quickly chickened out. I do not know how many religious books you have read but I can say that jesus(Yeshua) is referenced in the masonic bible, the roscrussian texts and even some budhits texts. In particular the roscrussian texts give detailed accounts of the life of jesus from his 12 y.o to 30 years (which are obviously missing in the bible). The Buddhist texts talk about jesus coming from India to china.

You've not even been to the
end of the thread MR.
Get to the end of the thread
first of all now.
Please I need a link to the
books you mentioned @The
Emboldened.
Or at least, where I can read
them on the net.

Buddha talked about Jesus?
🤣🤣🤣, What a sweet dream.
Buddha who died about 480
years before Jesus was born
talked about Jesus?🤣🤣.
What a playing.

So you are talking about
Rosicrucianism? Those ones?
We are talking about something
reasonable, you mentioned
Rosicrucians? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

MindHacker9009:
At least there would have been one statue of Muhammad if he was a historical character. I feel that those who invented Muhammad wanted to do a better job than those who inventer Jesus Christ.

Mohammed was a false prophet.
He didn't hear any shit from
any shit God.
But Mohammed truly lived.
He only used "The false God"
as an avenue to conquer.

MindHacker9009:
At least there would have been one statue of Muhammad if he was a historical character. I feel that those who invented Muhammad wanted to do a better job than those who inventer Jesus Christ.

What about those who who invented the genocidal Moses?

FRANCISTOWN:


The tombs of Muhammad, Abubakar, Umar and Aisha are still here until this very day.

Where is the tomb of Jesus?

The arguments about tombs are always ridiculous. The existence or loss of a tomb does not negate nor prove the existence of anyone. Christians point at an empty tomb designated by some royal Roman woman as evidence of Jesus’ resurrection while the tomb of Alexander has been lost since the time of a Julius Caesar. Neither of these facts support or detract from the existence of these men.

Alexander was an ancient king famous for conquests that are believable and probable events. Jesus on the other hand is a mythological figure that may or may not have been based on an actual person(s). Empty tombs and lost tombs are inconsequential.
The same woman that “found” the empty tomb also found pieces of the “true cross” some 300 years after the alleged events.

KnownUnknown:


The arguments about tombs are always ridiculous. The existence or loss of a tomb does not negate nor prove the existence of anyone. Christians point at an empty tomb designated by some royal Roman woman as evidence of Jesus’ resurrection while the tomb of Alexander has been lost since the time of a Julius Caesar. Neither of these facts support or detract from the existence of these men.

Alexander was an ancient king famous for conquests that are believable and probable events. Jesus on the other hand is a mythological figure that may or may not have been based on an actual person(s). Empty tombs and lost tombs are inconsequential.
The same woman that “found” the empty tomb also found pieces of the “true cross” some 300 years after the alleged events.

Yeah, always very ridiculous. What we are saying is, at least let there be a thing that points to the existence of Jesus. Even if na fake tomb, or fake crown of thorn. Let there be something at least. Even if it would be the sandals he wore when he was alive. Let there be something at least

KnownUnknown:


What about those who who invented the genocidal Moses?

You suppose that life started 200years ago or when camera was invented. i thought i had followed the dumbest before.

FRANCISTOWN:

Yeah, always very ridiculous. What we are saying is, at least let there be a thing that points to the existence of Jesus. Even if na fake tomb, or fake crown of thorn. Let there be something at least. Even if it would be the sandals he wore when he was alive. Let there be something at least

The funny thing is that the people making these demands don't really matter. They are lost, don't you think?

Image123:


You suppose that life started 200years ago or when camera was invented. i thought i had followed the dumbest before.

200 years ago?! No.
Life started last week Thursday and everything you think you know was implanted into your mind.

KnownUnknown:


200 years ago?! No.
Life started last week Thursday and everything you think you know was implanted into your mind.

Confirmatory.

Image123:


Confirmatory.

Last Thursday.