Can someone explain what makes jesus special exactly. I really don't understand what is so great about him that he is "alpha and omega." I've tried to believe in it but it all seems ridiculous to me.

ogunijebu18:
Can someone explain what makes jesus special exactly. I really don't understand what is so great about him that he is "alpha and omega." I've tried to believe in it but it all seems ridiculous to me.

Jesus Christ said He is only special to those who have need of Him. If you do not think you need Him, then chances are you do not.

There is nothing special about Him.He is the word special itself.

ogunijebu18:
Can someone explain what makes jesus special exactly. I really don't understand what is so great about him that he is "alpha and omega." I've tried to believe in it but it all seems ridiculous to me.

what is special about a science book?

If I have never read a science book before how will i possibly know that there is something special about it?

I'm not reading, yet I'm concluding that there is nothing special about the book .

If i choose to ignore the book then I cannot say anything categorically about it but remain neutral

I wonder, There are so many people that have died for their people or a cause without the assurance of resurrection.

ogunijebu18:

Can someone explain what makes jesus special exactly. I really don't understand what is so great about him that he is "alpha and omega." I've tried to believe in it but it all seems ridiculous to me.

I will use an illustration to explain this!

you live in a house and the landlord purposely introduced his son to you telling you to become a close associate of his son what exactly do you think could warrant such an advice? Matthew 17:5

Well majority of the tenants on this planet have made a total mess of God's property {Psalm 24:1 compare to Revelation 11:18} that's why He has the right to tell us how we can live in it and maintain it for our own benefit {Isaiah 48:17-18} He prepared it for us {Psalm 115:16} and ready to give us this place for good! Psalm 37:29

So destructive tenants will surely be evicted for good {Psalm 9:17; 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22} but before then honest hearted and sincere people needs to know the reason for the eviction and how to be on the safest side.
That's what Jesus is all about as he became the world's most wonderful counselor who has led millions living today to start working with God in the restoration of a Paradisiac condition on this planet.
They have settled all their disparities among themselves, diverted their resources into the production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of destructive devices and vowed never to raise weapons against their fellow man! Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3
That's what makes Jesus the greatest man who ever lived!

paxonel:

what is special about a science book?

If I have never read a science book before how will i possibly know that there is something special about it?

I'm not reading, yet I'm concluding that there is nothing special about the book .

If i choose to ignore the book then I cannot say anything categorically about it but remain neutral

Science is backed by proofs unlike the Bible

ogunijebu18:

Science is backed by proofs unlike the Bible

Can scientists perfectly predict how people will do things in the next one week?
Well the Bible perfectly predicted what humans will be doing in our time since thousands of years ago!

Moreover when scientists thought nothing can stand on it's own without something supporting it the Bible teaches:
"He (God) stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7

When scientists thought the earth was flat the Bible said:
"There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers" Isaiah 40:22

Please what infused in the heads of those guys who penned down those words back then?

Hope they just guess and it later happened to be true after thousands of years that the so called scientists has been saying it's not logical!

MaxInDHouse:

Can scientists perfectly predict how people will do things in the next one week?
Well the Bible perfectly predicted what humans will be doing in our time since thousands of years ago!

Moreover when scientists thought nothing can stand on it's own without something supporting it the Bible teaches:
"He (God) stretches out the northern sky over empty space, Suspending the earth upon nothing" Job 26:7

When scientists thought the earth was flat the Bible said:
"There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers" Isaiah 40:22

Please what infused in the heads of those guys who penned down those words back then?

Hope they just guess and it later happened to be true after thousands of years that the so called scientists has been saying it not logical!

Your Bible came from the white man during slavery. God revealed himself to us through ifa. I’m not worshiping Jesus

ogunijebu18:

Your Bible came from the white man during slavery. God revealed himself to us through ifa. I’m not worshiping Jesus

First of all my own copy of Bible came through the preaching and teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses i wasn't a Christian till they preached to me so you're wrong Sir.
If your God revealed himself to you through ifa it still boils down to the same point:
You believe in unseen supernatural beings which most scientists object to therefore you have a job to do: convince them your god exist.
Finally we don't worship Jesus he is not our God.
Thanks!

Jesus is only special in the minds of people who want imaginary friends and also to those who study mass delusion.

Objectively speaking, his teachings were nothing but jewish propaganda. There have been much wiser men who have walked the earth.

ReacherSaidNoth:
Jesus is only special in the minds of people who want imaginary friends and also to those who study mass delusion.

Objectively speaking, his teachings were nothing but jewish propaganda. There have been much wiser men who have walked the earth.

Wisdom is the practical application of accumulated information which yields lasting benefits.

Please can you mention one man who proved to be wiser than Jesus of Nazareth in human relation and what his wisdom has achieved that's beneficial to mankind regarding peaceful cohabitation?

MaxInDHouse:


Wisdom is the practical application of accumulated information which yields lasting benefits.

Please can you mention one man who proved to be wiser than Jesus of Nazareth in human relation and what his wisdom has achieved that's beneficial to mankind regarding peaceful cohabitation?

Using your definition of wisdom, I would say Robert Koch (a real figure) with his invention of the germ theory of disease contributed more to humanity than Jesus and all the characters in your story book combined.

The best "wisdom" Jesus gave was love your neighbor as yourself, which is not even an original thought. Also, considering how he and his daddy plan to roast their enemies, quite hypocritical.

ogunijebu18:

Science is backed by proofs unlike the Bible

how will you possibly know the proofs in the bible when you have not read it?

paxonel:
how will you possibly know the proofs in the bible when you have not read it?

I have read it

MaxInDHouse:


First of all my own copy of Bible came through the preaching and teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses i wasn't a Christian till they preached to me so you're wrong Sir.
If your God revealed himself to you through ifa it still boils down to the same point:
You believe in unseen supernatural beings which most scientists object to therefore you have a job to do: convince them your god exist.
Finally we don't worship Jesus he is not our God.
Thanks!

Christianity is jesus worship...

ogunijebu18:

Christianity is jesus worship...

You've been totally misinformed!

I wonder how you will fare in the religion you choose because ifa is about knowledge not just what people say.

You don't know what Jesus said yet you're running to conclusion on what people do.
What if someone tells you ifa is a lizard simply because he found some people claiming ifa and worshipping lizard will you agree with them?

ogunijebu18:

I have read it

lies ,you have not.

Do you know what it mean to read?
It also implies to comprehend.

If i read a science book that says matter is anything that has mass and don't understand the meaning of the word mass, that means i have not read to my comprehension.
That's what you atheists have done while attempting to read religious books

ogunijebu18:

I have read it

If you've read carefully you won't say:

ogunijebu18:

Christianity is jesus worship...

Because Jesus never asked anyone to worship him. In fact he made it clear to his listeners that he's not good rather the one and only good person is God:

Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19

So how can he be the one true Christians worship if he's not as good as God?

I won't say you lied but you've been thoroughly misinformed!

MaxInDHouse:


If you've read carefully you won't say:



Because Jesus never asked anyone to worship him. In fact he made it clear to his listeners that he's not good rather the one and only good person is God:

Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God" Luke 18:19

So how can he be the one true Christians worship if he's not as good as God?

I won't say you lied but you've been thoroughly misinformed!

Matthew 10:40
New International Version
40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

John 8:58 “Jesus answered them: ‘I solemnly declare it:
before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John 10: 30 ”The Father and I are one.”

John 14:8-11 “’Philip,’ Jesus replied, ‘after I have been with you all this time, you still
do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show
us the Father’?…. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else
believe because of the works I do.’

MaxInDHouse:


You've been totally misinformed!

I wonder how you will fare in the religion you choose because ifa is about knowledge not just what people say.

You don't know what Jesus said yet you're running to conclusion on what people do.
What if someone tells you ifa is a lizard simply because he found some people claiming ifa and worshipping lizard will you agree with them?

2 Cor. 4:4 “Their unbelieving minds have been blinded by the god of the present age
so that they do not see the splendor of the gospel showing forth the glory of Christ, the
image of God.”
John 10:37 + 38 “If I do not perform my Father’s works, put no faith in me. But if I
do perform them, even though you put no faith in me, put faith in these works, so as to
realize what it means that the Father is in me and I in him.”
He is saying he is God. Hence why the jews don't believe in him as a messiah.

ogunijebu18:

2 Cor. 4:4 “Their unbelieving minds have been blinded by the god of the present age
so that they do not see the splendor of the gospel showing forth the glory of Christ, the
image of God.”
John 10:37 + 38 “If I do not perform my Father’s works, put no faith in me. But if I
do perform them, even though you put no faith in me, put faith in these works, so as to
realize what it means that the Father is in me and I in him.”
He is saying he is God. Hence why the jews don't believe in him as a messiah.

You can be easily scammed my friend!
So if you hear the eulogy of ÈJÌOGBÈ you won't wait for a real ifá priest to expatriate further for you to gain knowledge?

Why not ask for the meaning of what you quoted first before running to a conclusion?

Obviously you're just deceiving yourself you don't even know anything about Ifá!

For instance do you take the eulogy of ọ̀wọ́nrín literally without allowing the priest of Ifá to expatiate?

ogunijebu18:

Matthew 10:40
New International Version
40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

Whatever treatment you give to the messenger of Aláàfin is what you would have done to Aláàfin. That's what Jesus meant here!

ogunijebu18:

John 8:58 “Jesus answered them: ‘I solemnly declare it:
before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

Jesus is hereby telling his listeners that he existed before them (in the spirit realm) doesn't mean he is the God who sent himself.
Moses was also called God yet he's a servant of God {Exodus 7:1} that's why God promised to send another messenger like Moses who will be a prophet and at the same time a God in their midst! Deuteronomy 18:18

ogunijebu18:

John 10: 30 ”The Father and I are one.”

Jesus simply means he has the same line of thought with the one who sent him.
In another verse he said:
"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22
Does the being ONE mean that his disciples are the God who sent Jesus?
I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one
John 14:8-11 “’Philip,’ Jesus replied, ‘after I have been with you all this time, you still
do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show
us the Father’?…. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else
believe because of the works I do.’
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Jesus also promised to be with his disciples {Matthew 28:20} does that makes his disciples the God who sent Jesus?
If you truly knows Ifá do you think the spirit of Ifá isn't with it's priest?

Ọmọ you need knowledge so calm down and learn!

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you're just deceiving yourself you don't even know anything about Ifá!

For instance do you take the eulogy of ọ̀wọ́nrín literally without allowing the priest of Ifá to expatiate?


Whatever treatment you give to the messenger of Aláàfin is what you would have done to Aláàfin. That's what Jesus meant here!


Jesus is hereby telling his listeners that he existed before them (in the spirit realm) doesn't mean he is the God who sent himself.
Moses was also called God yet he's a servant of God {Exodus 7:1} that's why God promised to send another messenger like Moses who will be a prophet and at the same time a God in their midst! Deuteronomy 18:18


Jesus simply means he has the same line of thought with the one who sent him.
In another verse he said:
"I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one" John 17:22
Does the being ONE mean that his disciples are the God who sent Jesus?
I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one
John 14:8-11 “’Philip,’ Jesus replied, ‘after I have been with you all this time, you still
do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show
us the Father’?…. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else
believe because of the works I do.’

Jesus also promised to be with his disciples {Matthew 28:20} does that makes his disciples the God who sent Jesus?
If you truly knows Ifá do you think the spirit of Ifá isn't with it's priest?

Ọmọ you need knowledge so calm down and learn!

We're discussing Christianity not ifa. And you can deny the jesus god connection and pretend like christians don't worship jesus all you want. Delusion is part of religion. Anyone can be called a prophet if they have enough followers. Americans think Trump is a prophet. theres a prophet every other week in nigeria. Religion doesn't make any sense.

ogunijebu18:

Matthew 10:40
New International Version
40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me.

John 8:58 “Jesus answered them: ‘I solemnly declare it:
before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John 10: 30 ”The Father and I are one.”

John 14:8-11 “’Philip,’ Jesus replied, ‘after I have been with you all this time, you still
do not know me? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show
us the Father’?…. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else
believe because of the works I do.’

You have read it yet you resort to quoting random verses out of context here to what end?

ogunijebu18:
■ We're discussing Christianity not ifa. And you can deny the jesus god connection and pretend like christians don't worship jesus all you want. Delusion is part of religion. ■ Anyone can be called a prophet if they have enough followers. Americans think Trump is a prophet. theres a prophet every other week in nigeria. Religion doesn't make any sense.

1. Those who are followers of Jesus Christ do indeed worship ‐- Trust and obey --- Jesus Christ which He commands that they do. What part of that is of delusion?

2. This is wrong since prophets were of God's Old Law of Moses where God Himself defined what It meant to be a prophet and who can be a prophet in the Land.

That Americans think Trump is a prophet has nothing to do with Prophets as defined and sent by the God of Israel to Israel, right?

ogunijebu18:

We're discussing Christianity not ifa. And you can deny the jesus god connection and pretend like christians don't worship jesus all you want. Delusion is part of religion. Anyone can be called a prophet if they have enough followers. Americans think Trump is a prophet. theres a prophet every other week in nigeria. Religion doesn't make any sense.

So you lied that God revealed himself to you through Ifá?
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself, i know Ifá very well before i became a Christian so you can't dodge behind Ifá before me.
If you're an atheist come out openly.
Christianity is about knowledge just as Ifá is about knowledge not merely following the crowd without knowing facts!

ogunijebu18:
■ 2 Cor. 4:4 “Their unbelieving minds have been blinded by the god of the present age
so that they do not see the splendor of the gospel showing forth the glory of Christ, the
image of God.”
John 10:37 + 38 “If I do not perform my Father’s works, put no faith in me. But if I
do perform them, even though you put no faith in me, put faith in these works, so as to
realize what it means that the Father is in me and I in him.” He is saying he is God. Hence why the jews don't believe in him as a messiah.

The reason the ones you know of as Jews today do not believe in Him has to do with what Said of them in His Old Testament which is they would not accept Him. This message was repeated in John 1 vs 11.

Kobojunkie:
1. Those who are followers of Jesus Christ do indeed worship ‐- Trust and obey --- Jesus Christ which He commands that they do. What part of that is of delusion?

2. This is wrong since prophets were of God's Old Law of Moses where God Himself defined what It meant to be a prophet and who can be a prophet in the Land.

That Americans think Trump is a prophet has nothing to do with Prophets as defined and sent by the God of Israel to Israel, right?

You just said the Christians don't worship Jesus and now you're saying they do. And by the God of Israel, you mean according to Moses's law? If so, then how Is Jesus a prophet of Israel when he claimed duality with God which is against moses law?

MaxInDHouse:


So you lied that God revealed himself to you through Ifá?
Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself, i know Ifá very well before i became a Christian so you can't dodge behind Ifá before me.
If you're an atheist come out openly.
Christianity is about knowledge just as Ifá is about knowledge not merely following the crowd without knowing facts!

I never practiced ifa. I grew up in a church as a christian but i don't belive in jesus as god. So im now either an atheist or a jew but i have not studied judaism much apart from reading the old testament. I believe the old testament God is different to Jesus God.

ogunijebu18:
■ You just said the Christians don't worship Jesus and now you're saying they do.
■ And by the God of Israel, you mean according to Moses's law? If so, then how Is Jesus a prophet of Israel when he claimed duality with God which is against moses law?

1. Can you quote me saying exactly what you accuse me of abeg?

You cannot follow Jesus Christ if you do not worship — accept/submit to and obey — Him. This is not rocket science - John 14 vs 15 - 23.

2. As I explained, God Himself explained the terms as far as the prophets of Israel.
■ Was Jesus Christ not an Israelite who lived His life in submission and obedience to God's Old Law according to Deuteronomy 18 vs 18?
■ Was Jesus Christ not sent by God to the people - Isaiah 53?
■ Was Jesus Christ not a Lawgiver like Moses according to Deuteronomy 18 vs 18?
■ Was Jesus Christ not the Lawgiver whom God said would come from among the people of Israel but would be like Him, God [/color]- Deuteronomy 18 vs 15 & Isaiah 53?
■ Did Jesus Christ not see visions and prophesy - Numbers 12 vs 6?
■ Did Jesus Christ not confirm God's message through the prophets in His entire Gospels as opposed to lying to the people - Deuteronomy 13 vs 1 - 8?

ogunijebu18:
■ I never practiced ifa. I grew up in a church as a Christian
■ but i don't belive in jesus as god. So im now either an atheist or a jew but i have not studied judaism much apart from reading the old testament. I believe the old testament God is different to Jesus God.

1. But there is nothing wrong with practicing Ifa.

2. Well, YHWH is the God of Israel in the Land of Canaan — think of Him in terms of God — a Covenant/Constitutional Law — tied to a particular nation and people in this case, the people of Israel. While Jesus Christ is God in the Kingdom of God — God's special Nation of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6 - in which only those who are sinners of Isreal are admitted. Again, this a separate nation from the first, and hence a different Constitution as well.

By the way, you cannot worship the God of Israel since He judged and condemned all of Israel about 1900 years ago, and since there is no part provided in the Law for those cursed by the Law — assuming you are in fact of the blood of Jacob yourself —, you worship Him in vain by submitting to His Old Law of Moses.