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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by buygala(m): 7:15pm On Jul 26, 2022
Zagee:
My old man needs a car to serve him in his retirement. Planning towards getting one after the General elections next year. I'm here for advice on getting a Honda not greater than 1.7m.
Please kindly guide on maintenance cost. Thank you.

@ bolded,

You never ready to buy motor be that Sir smiley..

With the present hyper-inflation, there is no telling what horrible Jalopy 1.7m will be sufficient to purchase by next year..

But one thing I can assure of is that if you truly love your Daddy, you won't want him in a car bought 1.7m next year..

Use that 1.7m and buy the vehicle for him now that there is still a bit of hope that amount can get you something reasonable

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 2:17pm On Jun 03, 2023
Trying out this brand of tire for the first time.

Went for my usual Maxxis but was informed that it's out of stock. Seller recommended these Armstrong tires. I did a quick search on the brand which I hadn't heard before. It scaled the crucible.
Have you had any experience with this brand? I'm yet to install.

Side note....
With the whole fuel subsidy removal and the anticipated add-on inflation... that also pushed me to rush and pick up new tires which had been on the shopping list for a while.
If you have any major purchase you want to do and the cash is sitting idle, better to go pick it up!

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by ayobami52(m): 11:17am On Jun 05, 2023
Good day bro,
Read through the thread and some of your other threads, and I found them outstanding, well done. My first car was 04 accord and since then I have fallen I love with Honda, but I had to let it go in 2021. Now I want to get 2010 Accord, I would appreciate if you can in search for one around you ( Nigeria used preferably cos of my budget. I would also love to have your contact if you can share for some other enquiries. Thank you
Kind regards,
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 9:03am On Jun 08, 2023
ayobami52:
Good day bro,
Read through the thread and some of your other threads, and I found them outstanding, well done. My first car was 04 accord and since then I have fallen I love with Honda, but I had to let it go in 2021. Now I want to get 2010 Accord, I would appreciate if you can in search for one around you ( Nigeria used preferably cos of my budget. I would also love to have your contact if you can share for some other enquiries. Thank you
Kind regards,

Hey, thanks for the compliment. Do you mean to help you search? I actually don't have a service for this. I also saw the Nairaland notification that you sent me an email, but I can't find it. Maybe, resend?
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Kokomo: 9:56am On Jun 08, 2023
Piyke:


Like my 03 Accord too. 266k miles. Old High mileage cheesy

At work mileage did you buy it ? I heard the transmission of the 03 is sensitive, did you had to replace it during the usage period? What were your preventative maintainenace.

Thank
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 9:34pm On Jun 08, 2023
Kokomo:


At work mileage did you buy it ? I heard the transmission of the 03 is sensitive, did you had to replace it during the usage period? What were your preventative maintainenace.

Thank

Bought at 153k. Changed ATF strictly with DW1 at around every 30k miles. I stayed with the same tranmission to the end. Before I finally sold it started to have delayed engagement into Drive and then a jerk on 2 to 3 only when cold. Once the transmission warms up it won't do this. It had no other symptom.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by tsiriman(m): 2:17am On Jun 09, 2023
Piyke:
Let me backtrack, a bit...

I was in the market for well over a year. Covid only made things difficult. But the real difficulty was, finding what I wanted in a new car. It had to be Honda, Accord, with the following;

1. EX orEXL.
2. 4cyl.
3. 2016 - 2017 (I could do 2015, but upgrade to aftermarket entertainment system in pursuit of Android Auto, plus a face-lift to 2016 exterior, were MUSTs).
4. Super clean.
5. Ideally, less than 100k miles
6. NO Custom duty short payment.

Will pick up on salient highlights in subsequent posts...

Modified...forgot the mileage criteria


Reading this thread and I'm wondering how someone could think exactly like I did and do almost exactly what I did, had to keep checking to confirm it was not me that wrote the thread sometime back.

I got a 2016 accord i4 Ex-l early days of covid, for the same reasons as you; Android auto, timing chain and maintenance. ..etc. prior I had a 2013 Ex which I totaled in an accident.

I also searched many car lots and online (Instagram, twitter, cheki) all I saw were accidented and mostly badly repaired. After searching without success I also had to use a friend to buy though IAAI then shipped VIP on Grimaldi, I got a non accidented with just hail damage and 59k miles, was abit expensive then but dollar was 425 then.

Some of the few things I did were change the windscreen then paint the boot, top and bonnet due to the hail spots. Aside that I didn't do any repair, car was clean and had a VIN auto check score of 92. I also changed the rear sway bar to that of 2012 acura TSX (17mm) which was thicker than stock honda, it reduced body roll and understeer, the car felt flater at corners.

I've changed the CVT transmission fluid twice since I got the car, 1st change was immediately I got it and the second was after a year plus, I want to keep the CVT clean and smooth, will do another atleast by year end when the car will be 3years old. When I got the car I also drained the coolant and replaced with the same honda original coolant. I've been using same tires (for 2.5years) the car came with though I might have to change them before year end. The car came with clean new Good year assurance tires.
I changed the low beam lights to high lumen LED bulbs but left the high beam as they were.
The car came with tints which I left on but added a 70% ceramic tint on the windscreen.
Changed all inner lights, boot light and license plate lights to white LED lights.

I love and enjoy Android auto and will not now buy any car that does not have it. I currently have over 75k mileage but less than 80k, mostly city driving.
I've changed break pads once with genuine honda front and rear pads, might be due for another before year end.
The car came with 2 keys so I have driver1 and madam has driver2, I like the fact that if any of us drives we don't need to adjust the seats the memory seat adjust based on the key that was used to unlock the car.
I also really really love the remote engine start.

Oh I remember one repair I did last month, the rear camera stopped working so I got a replacement on amazon and fixed, camera now working.

I hope and pray to upgrade to 2023 accord hybrid (fuel price not smiling), I've had 3 accords in the last 10 years; a 2008 (which I still own and drives great), a 2013 totaled in an accident then presently a 2016.

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 8:10pm On Jun 09, 2023
tsiriman:


Reading this thread and I'm wondering how someone could think exactly like I did and do almost exactly what I did, had to keep checking to confirm it was not me that wrote the thread sometime back.

I got a 2016 accord i4 Ex-l early days of covid, for the same reasons as you; Android auto, timing chain and maintenance. ..etc. prior I had a 2013 Ex which I totaled in an accident.

I also searched many car lots and online (Instagram, twitter, cheki) all I saw were accidented and mostly badly repaired. After searching without success I also had to use a friend to buy though IAAI then shipped VIP on Grimaldi, I got a non accidented with just hail damage and 59k miles, was abit expensive then but dollar was 425 then.

Some of the few things I did were change the windscreen then paint the boot, top and bonnet due to the hail spots. Aside that I didn't do any repair, car was clean and had a VIN auto check score of 92. I also changed the rear sway bar to that of 2012 acura TSX (17mm) which was thicker than stock honda, it reduced body roll and understeer, the car felt flater at corners.

I've changed the CVT transmission fluid twice since I got the car, 1st change was immediately I got it and the second was after a year plus, I want to keep the CVT clean and smooth, will do another atleast by year end when the car will be 3years old. When I got the car I also drained the coolant and replaced with the same honda original coolant. I've been using same tires (for 2.5years) the car came with though I might have to change them before year end. The car came with clean new Good year assurance tires.
I changed the low beam lights to high lumen LED bulbs but left the high beam as they were.
The car came with tints which I left on but added a 70% ceramic tint on the windscreen.
Changed all inner lights, boot light and license plate lights to white LED lights.

I love and enjoy Android auto and will not now buy any car that does not have it. I currently have over 75k mileage but less than 80k, mostly city driving.
I've changed break pads once with genuine honda front and rear pads, might be due for another before year end.
The car came with 2 keys so I have driver1 and madam has driver2, I like the fact that if any of us drives we don't need to adjust the seats the memory seat adjust based on the key that was used to unlock the car.
I also really really love the remote engine start.

Oh I remember one repair I did last month, the rear camera stopped working so I got a replacement on amazon and fixed, camera now working.

I hope and pray to upgrade to 2023 accord hybrid (fuel price not smiling), I've had 3 accords in the last 10 years; a 2008 (which I still own and drives great), a 2013 totaled in an accident then presently a 2016.

Nice buy. Enjoyed reading your post.

I've bought the HCF and the transmission filter. Should be doing that soon.
Best mod I've done on this car was installing an oil catch can. Piston tops don't build up as much as they used to. It's something I'd advise any owner of this Accord to do. Video is on the channel.
I like the 2023 too. I don't like the build of the 2018 - 2022. All the best...
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by tsiriman(m): 11:40pm On Jun 09, 2023
Piyke:


Nice buy. Enjoyed reading your post.

I've bought the HCF and the transmission filter. Should be doing that soon.
Best mod I've done on this car was installing an oil catch can. Piston tops don't build up as much as they used to. It's something I'd advise any owner of this Accord to do. Video is on the channel.
I like the 2023 too. I don't like the build of the 2018 - 2022. All the best...

I thought it was the 10th generation (2018-2023) that needed a catch can.

I didn't do the filter as I don't want to go intrusive, I'll keep doing a drain and fill till maybe atleast 100k miles before changing the filter.

I'll check the videos.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 7:49am On Jun 10, 2023
tsiriman:


I thought it was the 10th generation (2018-2023) that needed a catch can.

I didn't do the filter as I don't want to go intrusive, I'll keep doing a drain and fill till maybe atleast 100k miles before changing the filter.

I'll check the videos.

Most GDI cars fair better with a catch can. It cuts the amount of oil vapors coming from the PCV and landing on the back of the intake valves. Not much of a problem on port injection engines, since the fuel washes over the back of the valves. However, it's a biggie on GDI engines. Using a borescope since the install, my intake valves now have a dry appearance and not a gunked up wet look, meaning less oil gets there now.

Totally get you on not going intrusive. Got the OEM stuff filter, and should make a video while at it.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by tsiriman(m): 9:43am On Jun 10, 2023
Piyke:


Most GDI cars fair better with a catch can. It cuts the amount of oil vapors coming from the PCV and landing on the back of the intake valves. Not much of a problem on port injection engines, since the fuel washes over the back of the valves. However, it's a biggie on GDI engines. Using a borescope since the install, my intake valves now have a dry appearance and not a gunked up wet look, meaning less oil gets there now.

Totally get you on not going intrusive. Got the OEM stuff filter, and should make a video while at it.

Saw the video, impressive stuff.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Kokomo: 10:33pm On Jun 10, 2023
chai see mature men post... God bless me too grin still managing my tuke tuke 2003 accords

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by nawaforyouo: 11:31am On Jun 11, 2023
tsiriman:


Reading this thread and I'm wondering how someone could think exactly like I did and do almost exactly what I did, had to keep checking to confirm it was not me that wrote the thread sometime back.

I got a 2016 accord i4 Ex-l early days of covid, for the same reasons as you; Android auto, timing chain and maintenance. ..etc. prior I had a 2013 Ex which I totaled in an accident.

I also searched many car lots and online (Instagram, twitter, cheki) all I saw were accidented and mostly badly repaired. After searching without success I also had to use a friend to buy though IAAI then shipped VIP on Grimaldi, I got a non accidented with just hail damage and 59k miles, was abit expensive then but dollar was 425 then.

Some of the few things I did were change the windscreen then paint the boot, top and bonnet due to the hail spots. Aside that I didn't do any repair, car was clean and had a VIN auto check score of 92. I also changed the rear sway bar to that of 2012 acura TSX (17mm) which was thicker than stock honda, it reduced body roll and understeer, the car felt flater at corners.

I've changed the CVT transmission fluid twice since I got the car, 1st change was immediately I got it and the second was after a year plus, I want to keep the CVT clean and smooth, will do another atleast by year end when the car will be 3years old. When I got the car I also drained the coolant and replaced with the same honda original coolant. I've been using same tires (for 2.5years) the car came with though I might have to change them before year end. The car came with clean new Good year assurance tires.
I changed the low beam lights to high lumen LED bulbs but left the high beam as they were.
The car came with tints which I left on but added a 70% ceramic tint on the windscreen.
Changed all inner lights, boot light and license plate lights to white LED lights.

I love and enjoy Android auto and will not now buy any car that does not have it. I currently have over 75k mileage but less than 80k, mostly city driving.
I've changed break pads once with genuine honda front and rear pads, might be due for another before year end.
The car came with 2 keys so I have driver1 and madam has driver2, I like the fact that if any of us drives we don't need to adjust the seats the memory seat adjust based on the key that was used to unlock the car.
I also really really love the remote engine start.

Oh I remember one repair I did last month, the rear camera stopped working so I got a replacement on amazon and fixed, camera now working.

I hope and pray to upgrade to 2023 accord hybrid (fuel price not smiling), I've had 3 accords in the last 10 years; a 2008 (which I still own and drives great), a 2013 totaled in an accident then presently a 2016.

How has the fuel consumption been so far?
i heard the fuel economy is fantastic
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by tsiriman(m): 12:28pm On Jun 11, 2023
nawaforyouo:


How has the fuel consumption been so far?
i heard the fuel economy is fantastic

Fuel economy is good
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by rogerman: 6:25pm On Jul 13, 2023
Piyke:


Most GDI cars fair better with a catch can. It cuts the amount of oil vapors coming from the PCV and landing on the back of the intake valves. Not much of a problem on port injection engines, since the fuel washes over the back of the valves. However, it's a biggie on GDI engines. Using a borescope since the install, my intake valves now have a dry appearance and not a gunked up wet look, meaning less oil gets there now.

Totally get you on not going intrusive. Got the OEM stuff filter, and should make a video while at it.
Lovely thread you have created here Piyke. Was planning on getting the 2014 v6 but came across this thread and now I am conflicted between v6 and the 4cyl. I felt the timing belt was the only bad decision honda made in the v6 and is something I can live with. I don't know why I just dislike cvt transmission. Subsidy wahala and cost of fuel is not really an issue for me.

Also considering the problems you mentioned with 2013 and 2014 should I go for 2015 above instead and maybe consider Nigerian used? Bearing in mind that I want to keep my budget as low as possible.

How has your experience been so far and what advice would you give me. How has maintenance been? Is it still a good choice to go with the 9th gen accord today?
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 9:55pm On Jul 14, 2023
rogerman:

Lovely thread you have created here Piyke. Was planning on getting the 2014 v6 but came across this thread and now I am conflicted between v6 and the 4cyl. I felt the timing belt was the only bad decision honda made in the v6 and is something I can live with. I don't know why I just dislike cvt transmission. Subsidy wahala and cost of fuel is not really an issue for me.

Also considering the problems you mentioned with 2013 and 2014 should I go for 2015 above instead and maybe consider Nigerian used? Bearing in mind that I want to keep my budget as low as possible.

How has your experience been so far and what advice would you give me. How has maintenance been? Is it still a good choice to go with the 9th gen accord today?

I think it just boils down to you.

If I really loved the V6 I would have gone for it after a careful consideration of its drawbacks.
Foreign-used are usually better but doesn't mean you can't get a good Naija-used. Detailed pre-purchase inspection by someone who knows his onions is gold. Knowing a bit of the service history if available will help. E.g. Seahorse ATF in the transmission cheesy
I hear you on CVT. Not bad at all. You get used to the new feel.

Car is doing good, no complaints.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by kingreign(m): 10:20pm On Jul 14, 2023
Piyke:


I think it just boils down to you.

If I really loved the V6 I would have gone for it after a careful consideration of its drawbacks.
Foreign-used are usually better but doesn't mean you can't get a good Naija-used. Detailed pre-purchase inspection by someone who knows his onions is gold. Knowing a bit of the service history if available will help. E.g. Seahorse ATF in the transmission cheesy
I hear you on CVT. Not bad at all. You get used to the new feel.

Car is doing good, no complaints.

I don't think I can get used to the rubber band feel of a CVT, plus, in my own opinion, it feels slooooowwww grin grin

In reality it's faster than you think it is.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 7:45am On Jul 15, 2023
kingreign:


I don't think I can get used to the rubber band feel of a CVT, plus, in my own opinion, it feels slooooowwww grin grin

In reality it's faster than you think it is.

Where is the road to enjoy these cars? angry If road is good, traffic rears it's ugly head angry angry

On topic, difference isn't too much if driven in Sport (when you want to feel fly cheesy). Some manufacturers have tweaked the software side of things to mimic the feel you get from an automatic.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by rogerman: 5:10pm On Jul 15, 2023
Piyke:


I think it just boils down to you.

If I really loved the V6 I would have gone for it after a careful consideration of its drawbacks.
Foreign-used are usually better but doesn't mean you can't get a good Naija-used. Detailed pre-purchase inspection by someone who knows his onions is gold. Knowing a bit of the service history if available will help. E.g. Seahorse ATF in the transmission cheesy
I hear you on CVT. Not bad at all. You get used to the new feel.

Car is doing good, no complaints.
Thanks
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by cypher01: 10:23pm On Jul 20, 2023
Hey Piyke, thanks for this thread. I’m looking into getting the 9.5 gen(2016-2017) Honda Accord. I’ll probably just use one of the Abuja dealers(cos I’m lazy and not as knowledgeable as you).

I plan on getting the V6 touring. I’m already convinced on my choice but I have few questions

1. What are some guidelines you can give me for inspection(I’ll be going with a mechanic, but will be glad if there are some suggestions)

2. How do you fix the annoying CarPlay issue. I read on DriveAccord forum that using the maps and music in a split screen fixes the issue, but what’s your own opinion

3. If you can pick any, will you pick the 2017 over the 2016. I know they are almost the same, but what will your choice be like.

Thanks for all you do. Also, will be glad if I can dm you. I stay in Abuja as well.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by nawaforyouo: 3:23pm On Jul 24, 2023
cypher01:
Hey Piyke, thanks for this thread. I’m looking into getting the 9.5 gen(2016-2017) Honda Accord. I’ll probably just use one of the Abuja dealers(cos I’m lazy and not as knowledgeable as you).

I plan on getting the V6 touring. I’m already convinced on my choice but I have few questions

1. What are some guidelines you can give me for inspection(I’ll be going with a mechanic, but will be glad if there are some suggestions)

2. How do you fix the annoying CarPlay issue. I read on DriveAccord forum that using the maps and music in a split screen fixes the issue, but what’s your own opinion

3. If you can pick any, will you pick the 2017 over the 2016. I know they are almost the same, but what will your choice be like.

Thanks for all you do. Also, will be glad if I can dm you. I stay in Abuja as well.

please how much is the car going for now?
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by rogerman: 6:06pm On Jul 24, 2023
nawaforyouo:


please how much is the car going for now?
I would like to know as well. Because the prices that these car dealers are calling are truly ridiculous. Like why would I buy accidented 2014 sport with cloth seats for 8m.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 10:17am On Aug 13, 2023
rogerman:
I would like to know as well. Because the prices that these car dealers are calling are truly ridiculous. Like why would I buy accidented 2014 sport with cloth seats for 8m.

Have you tried to buy dollar recently? The price will only go higher with the way things are going.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by chukel(m): 10:57am On Aug 13, 2023
rogerman:

Lovely thread you have created here Piyke. Was planning on getting the 2014 v6 but came across this thread and now I am conflicted between v6 and the 4cyl. I felt the timing belt was the only bad decision honda made in the v6 and is something I can live with. I don't know why I just dislike cvt transmission. Subsidy wahala and cost of fuel is not really an issue for me.

Also considering the problems you mentioned with 2013 and 2014 should I go for 2015 above instead and maybe consider Nigerian used? Bearing in mind that I want to keep my budget as low as possible.

How has your experience been so far and what advice would you give me. How has maintenance been? Is it still a good choice to go with the 9th gen accord today?
even 2014 corolla and above run on cvt. It gives better fuel economy. Just do routine maintenance. I see a lot of corolla being sold in future as Nigerians are not maintenance conscious. They will run these cvts without changing fluid. When it becomes problematic, they run ATF in them and finish them up.

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by chukel(m): 11:16am On Aug 13, 2023
Piyke:


Have you tried to buy dollar recently? The price will only go higher with the way things are going.
forget the dollar part first. Do they know how much that 2014 is being cleared?

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by kingreign(m): 11:17am On Aug 13, 2023
chukel:
even 2014 corolla and above run on cvt. It gives better fuel economy. Just do routine maintenance. I see a lot of corolla being sold in future as Nigerians are not maintenance conscious. They will run these cvts without changing fluid. When it becomes problematic, they run ATF in them and finish them up.

Gbam!

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Piyke: 12:37pm On Aug 13, 2023
chukel:
even 2014 corolla and above run on cvt. It gives better fuel economy. Just do routine maintenance. I see a lot of corolla being sold in future as Nigerians are not maintenance conscious. They will run these cvts without changing fluid. When it becomes problematic, they run ATF in them and finish them up.

Your last sentence really cracked me up 🤣. It may even be Seahorse or Dozzy oil ATF. cheesy
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by tsiriman(m): 12:53pm On Aug 13, 2023
nawaforyouo:


please how much is the car going for now?

Above 10m for the EX-L and almost 12m for the V6 touring.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by chukel(m): 4:14pm On Aug 13, 2023
Piyke:


Your last sentence really cracked me up 🤣. It may even be Seahorse or Dozzy oil ATF. cheesy
lol. Unfortunately, it's the truth. In 5yrs to come you will start hearing "avoid 2014 corolla and above. They have gear issue". Same way Nissan murano bagged it's title as the worst SUV cos of cvt failure. Meanwhile my neighbor has used his murano for 7yrs now. Never had cvt issues. He changes the fluid every 1st week of January. Says it's the most reliable ride he has had.

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Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by id4sho(m): 5:55pm On Aug 13, 2023
chukel:
lol. Unfortunately, it's the truth. In 5yrs to come you will start hearing "avoid 2014 corolla and above. They have gear issue". Same way Nissan murano bagged it's title as the worst SUV cos of cvt failure. Meanwhile my neighbor has used his murano for 7yrs now. Never had cvt issues. He changes the fluid every 1st week of January. Says it's the most reliable ride he has had.
shocked
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by Itsrm(m): 8:24pm On Aug 13, 2023
chukel:
lol. Unfortunately, it's the truth. In 5yrs to come you will start hearing "avoid 2014 corolla and above. They have gear issue". Same way Nissan murano bagged it's title as the worst SUV cos of cvt failure. Meanwhile my neighbor has used his murano for 7yrs now. Never had cvt issues. He changes the fluid every 1st week of January. Says it's the most reliable ride he has had.

I'll like to think that those who can afford the 2014 corolla at this point have decent money to maintain it properly. And with the ever increasing price of cars not show any signs of slowing down, it will take a longer time before that happens.

The Murano didn't even last this long before they bastardized it. The Corolla is now in its 9th year post production.
Re: I Got An Accidented 2017 Accord by id4sho(m): 8:47pm On Aug 13, 2023
Itsrm:


I'll like to think that those who can afford the 2014 corolla at this point have decent money to maintain it properly. And with the ever increasing price of cars not show any signs of slowing down, it will take a longer time before that happens.

The Murano didn't even last this long before they bastardized it. The Corolla is now in its 9th year post production.

Economy has been getting worse . It might take another ten years for the car to b common and abused. Bastardizing car na understatement

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