1Sharon:


Historical trends have shown that information and culture in West Africa usually spreads from the far west sahelian countries (Mali/ Senegal) This happened with Jellof Rice & Islam,

And do yorubas really think this didn't happen with Agbada?

In regards to your question on iro & buba. Have a look at this:

https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/boubou/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CIt%20has%20been%20suggested%20that,until%20the%20late%20nineteenth%20century.

Whose historical trends?

The advantage in Western Sahel over rest of West Africa is written record, nothing more.
But Yoruba also had records of history, it was done in art forms. The advantage of one over the other is what gave upper hand to Western Sahel, but it does not in anyway put origin of Agbada at their doorstep.

See, Arabs call flowing gowns Abaya. To follow the migratory trend you alluded to,,,,

1. Arabs took Islamic culture to Sahel with Abaya

2. Western sahel call it Boubou, not Abaya.

3. Western sahel brought Islam to Yoruba. So where did Yoruba get the idea of Agbada, a cognate with Abaya? Neither fulani, nor Hausa or even Kanuri call it Abaya. These are all Islamic culture around us Did the language term "Abaya" lept from Arabia and singled out Yoruba as its destination?

It doesnt take rock science to understand what happened.

1Sharon:


Oh really so how come the name is middle eastern(persian) in origin?

I don't care who you are.

What name is middleeastern, persian, you mean Imperial Yoruba, or referring to Agbada?

Because middle east practiced Yoruba spiritual philosophy in past

Creeper:


At bold: I believe you’re alluding to Ijebu’s “Aso Olona”. Ijebus traded those clothes to Nembe Ijaws and I think Igbos got it from them and co-opted it as their traditional cloth.

And you’re right - agbada most likely has Yoruba origin. Danshiki as well.

Thank you, yes, Aso Olona is indeed what ended becoming george as it traveled the coast from West to East. Good information. Thanks!

incandescentena:
Someone should please post BUHARIs picture wearing the isi agu...

Don't start again na.

ImperialYoruba:


Na Yoruba originate Agbada.

Look, the Arewa symbol that Northern people put on everything, na Yoruba own am.

It is taboo in Islam to identify with image, or so Notherners thought. Right about 1957 when colonial government was looking for a symbol that each region will use for self identification, Hausa North turned down every symbol proposed and claimed it was not in line with Islam. So in frustration, colonial govt began using the Solomon Knot (which is an ancient totem and a heirloom of Yoruba royalty) for any document and state symbol for North. Thats how it became an official symbol for them. Luckily we have pictures of Yoruba Obas that predated 1957 and you can see the weave on their Agbada. However, no picture or representation of the symbol anywhere in North prior to its 1957 adoption. The specific lineage of this totem is Oranmiyan. He bequeathed it to Oyo. From Oyo it gained wide usage in Yoruba.

Dont play with Yoruba when it comes to archived history and culture. We are originators.

I will even go further and say there is a very expensive clothing worn by Ibo women and is called George. Its origin is Yoruba and it was a weave pattern. In modern times that pattern would be patented. The specific Yoruba group that owned and made the weave was Ijebu.

Now, how did it get to Ibo?

Itsekiri traded it with portuguese merchants. From them it got to Calabar. Feom Calabar to Iboland.

I will teach Ibo history of its ancestral journey from nude to semi nude to this modern time copying Yoruba dress style and urbanism.

Interesting points.

ImperialYoruba:


Whose historical trends?

The advantage in Western Sahel over rest of West Africa is written record, nothing more.
But Yoruba also had records of history, it was done in art forms. The advantage of one over the other is what gave upper hand to Western Sahel, but it does not in anyway put origin of Agbada at their doorstep.

See, Arabs call flowing gowns Abaya. To follow the migratory trend you alluded to,,,,

1. Arabs took Islamic culture to Sahel with Abaya

2. Western sahel call it Boubou, not Abaya.

3. Western sahel brought Islam to Yoruba. So where did Yoruba get the idea of Agbada, a cognate with Abaya? Neither fulani, nor Hausa or even Kanuri call it Abaya. These are all Islamic culture around us Did the language term "Abaya" lept from Arabia and singled out Yoruba as its destination?

It doesnt take rock science to understand what happened.

They are going to call it boubou, not abaya since they don't speak Arabic.
But Boubou is an africanized abaya.
Muslims on the East Coast are also wearing it. The common denominator is Islam.

If you're saying Agbadas don't come from Islam. Why are you saying it's the cognate of Abaya?

Why are you linking them together if you insist they aren't related?

Please address the links I've given. Let's stop going around in circles.

1Sharon:


They are going to call it boubou, not abaya since they don't speak Arabic.
But Boubou is an africanized abaya.
Muslims on the East Coast are also wearing it. The common denominator is Islam.

If you're saying Agbadas don't come from Islam. Why are you saying it's the cognate of Abaya?

Why are you linking them together if you insist they aren't related?

Please address the links I've given.

It is origin of words and etymology, nothing to do with religion.

So before religion of Islam people existed. Those people had faith, they had culture and they had language. Calling God Allah was part of their faith. There was nothing called Islam at that time.

Arabs are not all muslims, there are Arabs that practice judaism, there are Arabs that are christians and Arabs that are muslims. When you see Arab woman in hijab, she is not necessarily a muslim. She could be christian.

So as a first step, i want you to separate Abaya from being a muslim term. The way, in above example, you will separate hijab from being a muslim culture.

There is linguistic link in all the expressions and imagery of Agbada/Abaya and Buba/Boubou. They sound more related than unrelated. In image they look the same, and with a single alteration you could erase the difference between them. Do you agree?

ImperialYoruba:


It is origin of words and etymology, nothing to do with religion.

So before religion of Islam people existed. Those people had faith, they had culture and they had language. Calling God Allah was part of their faith. There was nothing called Islam at that time.

Arabs are not all muslims, there are Arabs that practice judaism, there are Arabs that are christians and Arabs that are muslims. When you see Arab woman in hijab, she is not necessarily a muslim. She could be christian.

So as a first step, i want you to separate Abaya from being a muslim term. The way, in above example, you will separate hijab from being a muslim culture.

There is linguistic link in all the expressions and imagery of Agbada/Abaya and Buba/Boubou. They sound more related than unrelated. In image they look the same, and with a single alteration you could erase the difference between them. Do you agree?

Most Arabs are muslims and not Jews or Christians.
Why should I separate hijabs and Abaya from Muslims when wearing those items are requirements in Islam? Those items were cultural before they became muslims but now it's has become religious.

Christians may veil but they in no way need to veil like a Muslim does. Hijab and abayas are not requirements in Christianity.

If Africans are dressing like Arabs, an Arab muslim taught them that, not a christian.

Yoruba's and other coastal West Africans aren't desert people so have no need to dress like that.


Why are you trying to find a link if you say they aren't related? What is your point?


Can you please address the links I've given? All you're doing is talking based on your feelings with nothing to back it up.

1Sharon:


Most Arabs are muslims and not Jews or Christians.
Why should I separate hijabs and Abaya from Muslims when wearing those items are requirements in Islam? Those items were cultural before they became muslims but now it's has become religious.

Christians may veil but they in no way need to veil like a Muslim does. Hijab and abayas are not requirements in Christianity.

If Africans are dressing like Arabs, an Arab muslim taught them that, not a christian.

Yoruba's and other coastal West Africans aren't desert people so have no need to dress like that.


Why are you trying to find a link if you say they aren't related? What is your point?


Can you please address the links I've given? All you're doing is talking based on your feelings with nothing to back it up.

If Africans are dressisng like Arabs

Look, dont piss me off.

Could Africans have taught Arabs to dress the way they do? Have you considered that Arabs may have learnt mode of dressing in Abaya from Africans?

When we talk of Arabs introducing Islam to West Africa sef, who were those Arabs that pioneered the expansion and transformed cultures? What did they look like, what was their culture, their belief system?

I dont see link, repost.

Agbada is yoruba language yoruba own Agbada period

ImperialYoruba:


If Africans are dressisng like Arabs

Look, dont piss me off.

Could Africans have taught Arabs to dress the way they do? Have you considered that Arabs may have learnt mode of dressing in Abaya from Africans?

When we talk of Arabs introducing Islam to West Africa sef, who were those Arabs that pioneered the expansion and transformed cultures? What did they look like, what was their culture, their belief system?

I dont see link, repost.

Why would Arabs sit down and learn cultures and practises from people they considered inferior and took as slaves?

Is that how colonisation works? Who colonised who?

Did the British start dressing like Africans or the other way around?

Check your mentions, I've sent a few links

Timatayo1:
Agbada is yoruba language yoruba own Agbada period

Okay. What does it mean. What is the etymology of the word?

1Sharon:


Why would Arabs sit down and learn cultures and practises from people they considered inferior and took as slaves?

Is that how colonisation works? Who colonised who?

Did the British start dressing like Africans or the other way around?

Check your mentions, I've sent a few links

Arabs were not origins of Mecca. They came from elsewhere to settle in Mecca. Their practise of orisha worship came with them on that migration. As orisha worshippers, they did not keep slaves. They began keeping slaves after accepting Islam.

Were Arabs wearing Abaya before Islam?

I need you to answer that.

ImperialYoruba:


Arabs were not origins of Mecca. They came from elsewhere to settle in Mecca. Their practise of orisha worship came with them on that migration. As orisha worshippers, they did not keep slaves. They began keeping slaves after accepting Islam.

Were Arabs wearing Abaya before Islam?

I need you to answer that.

lol 😆