BlueRayDick:
My friend, u will need to back this assertion up with verifiable data.

What they learnt from the same lecturers who are teaching in Public Uni.

larride, did you get a response from that condom burster when you messaged him?

Segedinho:

Quality is the difference here.

In all my 5 years in uni I never saw a bit nor did any practical with it let alone rig....I think it was actually where my payment expired......(not subsidised).

I was taught fortran in a blackboard and that made it less interesting and actually, it was what my meagre fees could afford ..(not subsidised).

I think educations is more interesting if only you can see d practical part of it wch i think would v been achieved if my fees was worth it...

My definition of subsidy is paying less for quality and in quantity..

About who is better.....I think it is the mindset of the victim (hardwork)
Tinubu as a case study,we were told he was too smart that he was needed in mobil yet he read at home and helped himself for more info..

I have a first class graduate as a friend that hasn't really climbed whereas a 3rd class friend of mine is chilling in London.


Better is actually d hardwork you put in place and it more easier in a suitable environment.

While it might be better than what you got, Is it 10 times better to reflect your school fees? If its not 10 times better, then the difference is the subsidy

You went to UNIBEN, how much did you pay to graduate vs how much did a student at Igbinedion in the same Benin pay?

In some private University, they don't even have a standard teaching hospital that can compare to UBTH LUTH UCH etc. So the Medical students where are they getting their experience from?

As an Engineering student, Most of those tools are too expensive for a school to have, for example No University can have a rig and show you how it functions, this is why Industrial attachment are part of the engineering curriculum. No private nor public University will ever show you a rig or equipments worth millions of dollars sitting in a school lab. Or do you think Babcock has a rig on campus?

Or you think anyone studying aeronautic engineering will have a plane on campus?

The UNIBEN and the Covenant guy will have to go on Industrial attachment to see those equipment

raumdeuter:


Take even Law school bar exams, Are the top tier private Universities performing better than top tier Public Universities.
E.g UNILAG, UNN, UI, OAU ABU vs Covenant, Babcock, Redeemers Madonna Igbinedion

Are they performing better? And are they performing better at the ratio of the school fees? E.g If fees paid is 10:1, Will there be a ratio 10:1 of successful candidates private to public Uni?

Exactly ! When u check performance review of students in ICAN u see the public university students taking the front row; same with Law school . These easily verifiable data disagrees with the notion that knowledge acquired in private university Supersedes that received in public Uni .

I know quite a handful of professors that were poached by their friends who are now VC’s in private universities to come and start oarticular departments and faculties in private unis.

One major thing that has always helped private university students is the conducive learning environment and state of the art infrastructure .

BlueRayDick:


Exactly ! When u check performance review of students in ICAN u see the public university students taking the front row; same with Law school . These easily verifiable data disagrees with the notion that knowledge acquired in private university Supersedes that received in public Uni .

I know quite a handful of professors that were poached by their friends who are now VC’s in private universities to come and start oarticular departments and faculties in private unis.

One major thing that has always helped private university students is the conducive learning environment and state of the art infrastructure .

If I have a child and has to study in Nigeria I will also do a private Uni cos of few reasons.
1 is the strike. No strike and calendar is predictable.
2. The Hostels that dont look like refuse dump
3. There is likely to be a higher concentration of elite children in the school which might expose the child beyond what they teach in classes

The most important reason is that I can afford it, If I cannot afford it, no matter how smart my kid is, He would go to public Uni

Like I said even if private uni grads is better(which is arguable) are they better at the ratio of school fees difference

So if school fees is ratio 10:1 and quality is 3:1, the difference of 7 is due to subsidy

Education in public tertiary schools is subsidised, one would even argue that the rot in public tertiary schools is die to the subsidy sef.

There's no way you are paying less than 100k for a session in university and it's not subsidised, no way.

raumdeuter:


Every Uni grad will have to put in work to excel in life, There are many jobless Covenant grads all over. There is a girl whose parent sent to Private Uni and no job so far despite making "2-1". (You know some Private Uni give 75% of their grads 2-1). There is no MLM she hasnt put hand into. If not foreverliving, its Longrich or whichever latest one

I went to serve with Private Uni people from Babcock, they were not better than me. I worked in Organizations that had private Uni grads and there was no difference beyond that they were younger due to No ASUU strike

In many private secondary schools, teachers are told that students MUST get a good mark from the possible 30 marks of assessment tests though teachers should not influence the 70 marks of the real examinations.

I learnt that this will enable the promotion to the next class of most students since I learnt if the students failed despite the huge schools fees, parents would take away their children to another school.

I don't know if a thing like this happens in private universities, but if it does I won't be surprised at the pseudo quality service of these private universities.

Consider a scenario where a lecturer takes a whole faculty of Enviromental Studies (circa. 9 depts.) on, say, MTH111 vs the same lecturer teaching only Department of Architecture. The Architecture students will most definitely be the favourites to understand and pass the course. Although you might have some blockheads (iwod imaha nwed) who would still fail the course even if the went to Ivy league grade schools.

BlueRayDick:


My friend, u will need to back this assertion up with verifiable data.

What data do you have to show both graduates are the same?

Coz you need to take into consideration the numbers of graduates coming out from government universities against those coming out from private.

Meaning you'll have higher count of dullards from government unis that private.
Same way you'll have a higher number of intelligent students from government unis vs private.

Now the question is what is available to both?
If today you want to hire for a beginner role in IT, which do you think will have a broader and more updated knowledge from the amenities and curriculum they are taught with?
Private or government student?

GrammarNazi1:

In many private secondary schools, teachers are told that students MUST get a good mark from the possible 30 marks of assessment tests though teachers should not influence the 70 marks of the real examinations.

I learnt that this will enable the promotion to the next class of most students since I learnt if the students failed despite the huge schools fees, parents would take away their children to another school.

I don't know if a thing like this happens in private universities, but if it does I won't be surprised at the pseudo quality service of these private universities.

It may be different in Universities because in secondary school, you can take your child from school to school without dropping grades. But in University you have to start afresh, so there is no incentive.

GrammarNazi1:

In many private secondary schools, teachers are told that students MUST get a good mark from the possible 30 marks of assessment tests though teachers should not influence the 70 marks of the real examinations.

I learnt that this will enable the promotion to the next class of most students since I learnt if the students failed despite the huge schools fees, parents would take away their children to another school.

I don't know if a thing like this happens in private universities, but if it does I won't be surprised at the pseudo quality service of these private universities.

Oga I don't know of any private university that they do that in.
Not 1 that I've heard off.

This is how people said the 1st class in private universities are lesser than that of government unis till the gap in knowledge base starts to show especially among the less intelligent students

raumdeuter:


While it might be better than what you got, Is it 10 times better to reflect your school fees? If its not 10 times better, then the difference is the subsidy

You went to UNIBEN, how much did you pay to graduate vs how much did a student at Igbinedion in the same Benin pay?

In some private University, they don't even have a standard teaching hospital that can compare to UBTH LUTH UCH etc. So the Medical students where are they getting their experience from?

As an Engineering student, Most of those tools are too expensive for a school to have, for example No University can have a rig and show you how it functions, this is why Industrial attachment are part of the engineering curriculum. No private nor public University will ever show you a rig or equipments worth millions of dollars sitting in a school lab. Or do you think Babcock has a rig on campus?

Or you think anyone studying aeronautic engineering will have a plane on campus?

The UNIBEN and the Covenant guy will have to go on Industrial attachment to see those equipment

Schools responsibilities is showering you with what you need to excel and in quality.

If Uniben teaches me fortran on blackboard and covenant uses the ideal equipment..wch do you think is better and why?

Education is different in this case cos you have to pay externally to get the full knowledge if you ain't given the best atmosphere.

What you learn from the mouth of the lectural who seldom visits will easily be discarded than what you learn with practical...

If I am expected to stress more or pay externally to acquire first hand practical intelligence to what B University is offering me then I don't think it is wise to compare my financial expenditure with B..
.

B is offering me everything I need in education (essay and practical)and Uniben gave just d essay part of it. How do I call my school subsidised??.

Anyway.....I don't think there is any financial yardstick to show if my school with no basic amenities is subsidied,partially subsidised or not.

So....i am indecisive

livelongprospa:

What data do you have to show both graduates are the same?

Coz you need to take into consideration the numbers of graduates coming out from government universities against those coming out from private.

Meaning you'll have higher count of dullards from government unis that private.
Same way you'll have a higher number of intelligent students from government unis vs private.

Now the question is what is available to both?
If today you want to hire for a beginner role in IT, which do you think will have a broader and more updated knowledge from the amenities and curriculum they are taught with?
Private or government student?

I will recruit the one that demonstrates he possesses the skills and experience required for the job. I will not base my judgement on what school the candidate attended .

It’s only a foooolish HR that will first consider the school a candidate attended instead of the skills he demonstrated at the interview/assessment center .

Go to big 4’s like KPMG, PWC, EY and Delloite …. U will meet a mix of private and public university graduates working in different capacities . Everybody had equal chance of getting in irrespective of their educational background.

As for me requesting for data , I knew u won’t find any; just a case of “ Trust me bro, I no fit lie give u “

I did a random google for school fees in covenant and got this website, I dont know how realistic it is

but if this is what a non subsidized Uni education is in Nigeria

https://www.witspot.org/covenant-university-school-fees/#Covenant_University_school_fees_for_200_Level_students

https://www.witspot.org/unilag-school-fees/

I chose for non freshers in both schools

So if the fees stay the same for 5yrs. A UNILAG students pays 80K and a Covenant student pays about 4M

And you say its not subsidized?

Segedinho:

Schools responsibilities is showering you with what you need to excel and in quality.

If Uniben teaches me fortran on blackboard and covenant uses the ideal equipment..wch do you think is better and why?

Education is different in this case cos you have to pay externally to get the full knowledge if you ain't given the best atmosphere.

What you learn from the mouth of the lectural who seldom visits will easily be discarded than what you learn with practical...

If I am expected to stress more or pay externally to acquire first hand practical intelligence to what B University is offering me then I don't think it is wise to compare my financial expenditure with B..
.

B is offering me everything I need in education (essay and practical)and Uniben gave just d essay part of it. How do I call my school subsidised??.

Anyway.....I don't think there is any financial yardstick to show if my school with no basic amenities is subsidied,partially subsidised or not.

So....i am indecisive

You havent answered anything here

1. Is there any private Uni that has the anything close to LUTH, UBTH and UCH for medical students? I heard that even Igbinedion Medical students either go to state hospital Benin for their rotation

2. For Petroleum Engineering, Will any Uni whether private or public provide their student with Oil rig for practical experience? If no, that means both private and public Uni will have to learn it when they go for IT

3. In Computer science, both Covenant and Uniben graduate will still have to go outside and learn outside what their lecturer is teaching them
Because the Same Professor John teaching Fortran in Uniben is the one teaching in Igbinedion. Unless he will deliberately teach nonsense in Uniben and go teach correct in Igbinedion

Hardly will any school teach you the latest programming language cos the lecturers sef no sabi am, You have to go outside or learn from your colleagues

BlueRayDick:


I will recruit the one that demonstrates he possesses the skills and experience required for the job. I will not base my judgement on what school the candidate attended .

It’s only a foooolish HR that will first consider the school a candidate attended instead of the skills he demonstrated at the interview/assessment center .

Go to big 4’s like KPMG, PWC, EY and Delloite …. U will meet a mix of private and public university graduates working in different capacities . Everybody had equal chance of getting in irrespective of their educational background.

As for me requesting for data , I knew u won’t find any; just a case of “ Trust me bro, I no fit lie give u “

Nigeria doesn't do data abi na lie?
It's the same way you can't give me reasonable data to support your argument.

BlueRayDick:


I will recruit the one that demonstrates he possesses the skills and experience required for the job. I will not base my judgement on what school the candidate attended .

It’s only a foooolish HR that will first consider the school a candidate attended instead of the skills he demonstrated at the interview/assessment center .

Go to big 4’s like KPMG, PWC, EY and Delloite …. U will meet a mix of private and public university graduates working in different capacities . Everybody had equal chance of getting in irrespective of their educational background.

As for me requesting for data , I knew u won’t find any; just a case of “ Trust me bro, I no fit lie give u “

Oga I was specific when I said beginner role.
What you are saying is the IT student in government school will have to undergo alot more personal training to bridge the gap in knowledge as against the government student.

Again.
On the strength of what both students learnt from their curriculum in universities, which do you think is better equipped to get employed?
That was the question coz we are focusing on what both learnt in their respective institutions.

raumdeuter:


You havent answered anything here

Is there any private Uni that has the anything close to LUTH, UBTH and UCH for medical students? I heard that even Igbinedion Medical students either go to state hospital Benin for their rotation

Will any Uni whether private or public provide their student with Oil rig for practical experience?

3. In Computer science, both Covenant and Uniben graduate will still have to go outside and learn outside what their lecturer is teaching them
Because the Same Professor John teaching Fortran in Uniben is the one teaching in Igbinedion. Unless he will deliberately teach nonsense in Uniben and go teach correct in Igbinedion

Hardly will any school teach you the latest programming language cos the lecturers sef no sabi am, You have to go outside or learn from your colleagues

I think UBTH is so cos it drives in revenue.

It more of an health care institution used side by side to improve medical students knowledge and others from Uniben...

So it brings in revenue and must be maintained yo serve its purpose wch is to serve as health care to d nation.


So in brevity,its pry role is to serve as healthcentres to d nation why d upcoming docs use it for learning

livelongprospa:


Nigeria doesn't do data abi na lie?
It's the same way you can't give me reasonable data to support your argument.

My argument ? I was faulting ur false claim . U made a claim with no leg to stand on.

More like ur personal thoughts U are presenting as facts

Since we want to be posting school fees to prove a point.
For entry level into a government university 👍

livelongprospa:


Oga I was specific when I said beginner role.
What you are saying is the IT student in government school will have to undergo alot more personal training to bridge the gap in knowledge as against the government student.

Again.
On the strength of what both students learnt from their curriculum in universities, which do you think is better equipped to get employed?
That was the question coz we are focusing on what both learnt in their respective institutions.

Do U think the curriculum of private universities is different from public universities ?

U know it’s the same NUC that approves the curriculum of all universities in Nigeria right ?

BlueRayDick:


My argument ? I was faulting ur false claim . U made a claim with no leg to stand on.

More like ur personal thoughts I are presenting as facts

You actually have always believed that there's no difference between both in terms of knowledge.
I believe there is. Asking me to prove that with data is fine for you but me asking you to support your argument with data is an issue?
Your personal thoughts and experiences have been what you've used to make your case.

Abi na lie?

Segedinho:

I think UBTH is so cos it drives in revenue.

It more of an health care institution used side by side to improve medical students knowledge and others from Uniben...

So it brings in revenue and must be maintained yo serve its purpose wch is to serve as health care to d nation.


So in brevity,its pry role is to serve as healthcentres to d nation why d upcoming docs use it for learning

So a doctor from UNIBEN who had exposure at UBTH vs a Doctor from Igbinedion who had his exposure in a private Hospital or State hospital Benin.

Also which Uni will have Oil rig to show their student?

BlueRayDick:


Do U think the curriculum of private universities is different from public universities ?

U know it’s the same NUC that approves the curriculum of all universities in Nigeria right ?

You have not answered the question.
A private uni student in IT and a government uni student in IT,
Who do you think is better equipped on the strength of what they were taught in university?

livelongprospa:


You actually have always believed that there's no difference between both in terms of knowledge.
I believe there is. Asking me to prove that with data is fine for you but me asking you to support your argument with data is an issue?
Your personal thoughts and experiences have been what you've used to make your case.

Abi na lie?

🤣🤣🤣

Funny guy . U made a bold claim and u were asked to show workings u no fit .

End of discussion .

livelongprospa:


You have not answered the question.
A private uni student in IT and a government uni student in IT,
Who do you think is better equipped on the strength of what they were taught in university?

They both learnt based on the same curriculum as approved by NUC . Excerpt u are saying Lecturers in private universities go out of the approved curriculum and teach something extra .

Is that what u are alluding ?

BlueRayDick:


🤣🤣🤣

Funny guy . U made a bold claim and u were asked to show workings u no fit .

End of discussion .

Nawa ooo.
You've been making claims and nobody has asked you for data because the data nor dey for naija.
But you wan take advantage of am to further your own point.

Oya I am asking you to also prove your point with reasonable data.
Or do you not have data to prove your point?

raumdeuter:


If I have a child and has to study in Nigeria I will also do a private Uni cos of few reasons.
1 is the strike. No strike and calendar is predictable.
2. The Hostels that dont look like refuse dump
3. There is likely to be a higher concentration of elite children in the school which might expose the child beyond what they teach in classes

The most important reason is that I can afford it, If I cannot afford it, no matter how smart my kid is, He would go to public Uni

Like I said even if private uni grads is better(which is arguable) are they better at the ratio of school fees difference

So if school fees is ratio 10:1 and quality is 3:1, the difference of 7 is due to subsidy

I would then argue 3 bolded are exactly what makes up the difference of 7, they are why you are paying 10x. It is then subjective if they are worth 10x, To most parents who can afford it, it is worth it over Govt Uni, so yeah public Uni are paying exactly what they are getting...

I would say the risk of extra 2years on same course, due to strike wey pikin fit carry belle or give someone belle, feeding ati bebelo is worth more than 10x.

Segedinho:

Schools responsibilities is showering you with what you need to excel and in quality.

If Uniben teaches me fortran on blackboard and covenant uses the ideal equipment..wch do you think is better and why?

Education is different in this case cos you have to pay externally to get the full knowledge if you ain't given the best atmosphere.

What you learn from the mouth of the lectural who seldom visits will easily be discarded than what you learn with practical...

If I am expected to stress more or pay externally to acquire first hand practical intelligence to what B University is offering me then I don't think it is wise to compare my financial expenditure with B..
.

B is offering me everything I need in education (essay and practical)and Uniben gave just d essay part of it. How do I call my school subsidised??.

Anyway.....I don't think there is any financial yardstick to show if my school with no basic amenities is subsidied,partially subsidised or not.

So....i am indecisive

You missed out an important risk that your 4yrs course could be 6/7yrs so the difference in private Uni is the cost of mitigating that Risk.

raumdeuter:


So a doctor from UNIBEN who had exposure at UBTH vs a Doctor from Igbinedion who had his exposure in a private Hospital or State hospital Benin.

Also which Uni will have Oil rig to show their student?

Just like i said earlier UBTH serve majorly as health Centre where anyone can come in for more learning...It is taken seriously as it affects live.

An Igbinedion student would be allowed if he wants to...

Students on special practical are taken to rigs ro understand first hand what it is......I just told you about bit which is relatively cheaper to get.....

Health docs at UBTH are not solely from uniben ..hope u know

livelongprospa:
Please no offence to government graduates but private university students are mostly better finished products on average.
That you have outliers doesn't change that reality.

Thing is recruitment companies also take that into account when shortlisting but when it comes to base knowledge in most cases the private uni student will be ahead just from what they learnt in uni.

No dey whine yourself oo.


Our exams from 300l was Ican standard, nobody will even beg you to attend class or read. We also have a well packed library with books on whatever you subject you want to read on. Our lecturers are also very knowledgeable.

In my set, we had 15 first class graduates. They all aced their ICAN exam in one sitting. 3 of them entered KPMG immediately after service, 1 entered Deloitte, 2 went into academics n so on. Our best graduating student Dapo currently works at KPMG US.

The edge private uni have over public schools is better infrastructure, equipment and exposure.

livelongprospa:


Nawa ooo.
You've been making claims and nobody has asked you for data because the data nor dey for naija.
But you wan take advantage of am to further your own point.

Oya I am asking you to also prove your point with reasonable data.
Or do you not have data to prove your point?

Na u use ur hand type in most cases the private uni student will be ahead just from what they learnt in uni.

I simply asked u to give any data that supports that . Maybe u read any HR research report/journal article that supports this assertion .

I didn’t sit in the comfort of my parlor and claim public university graduates are will be ahead of their private universities despite knowing how OAU and UI students perform really well amongst their African peers in the zain university challenge back then, I didn’t claim public university accounting and law graduates are better despite knowing about their performance in ICAN and Nigerian Law school bar exams respectively .

So u see , na u dey chat megedefege here my dear brother .