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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 4:40pm On Jun 21, 2023
Olowunl01:


I would then argue 3 bolded are exactly what makes up the difference of 7, they are why you are paying 10x. It is then subjective if they are worth 10x, To most parents who can afford it, it is worth it over Govt Uni, so yeah public Uni are paying exactly what they are getting...

I would say the risk of extra 2years on same course, due to strike wey pikin fit carry belle or give someone belle, feeding ati bebelo is worth more than 10x.


None of these affect what they are taught in school. Kids in Private Uni also give people and carry belle. Its not like they are sterilized. There are some public Unis who dont even strike that much, In my time Unilag and Unilorin no dey too strike

Also some will argue that in Private Uni they are treated like secondary students and not like adults, even though personally I will take that trade off to graduate early

At the end the quality of Private Uni are not significantly better or 10times better than public Uni in the job market where they all head to
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 4:41pm On Jun 21, 2023
Olowunl01:

You missed out an important risk that your 4yrs course could be 6/7yrs so the difference in private Uni is the cost of mitigating that Risk.
I actually spent 6 n half years due to strike......I just didn't want to infuse that into the convo...
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 4:43pm On Jun 21, 2023
raumdeuter:
larride, did you get a response from that condom burster when you messaged him?

Been trying to message him but can't find his number, it was on my small phone, I never see chance find the small phone
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 4:44pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Exactly ! When u check performance review of students in ICAN u see the public university students taking the front row; same with Law school . These easily verifiable data disagrees with the notion that knowledge acquired in private university Supersedes that received in public Uni .

I know quite a handful of professors that were poached by their friends who are now VC’s in private universities to come and start oarticular departments and faculties in private unis.

One major thing that has always helped private university students is the conducive learning environment and state of the art infrastructure .

Correct.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olowunl01: 4:46pm On Jun 21, 2023
raumdeuter:


None of these affect what they are taught in school. Kids in Private Uni also give people and carry belle. Its not like they are sterilized. There are some public Unis who dont even strike that much, In my time Unilag and Unilorin no dey too strike

Also some will argue that in Private Uni they are treated like secondary students and not like adults, even though personally I will take that trade off to graduate early

At the end the quality of Private Uni are not significantly better or 10times better than public Uni in the job market where they all head to
Agreed to an extent that those factor do not affect what they are taught in school, but it is an important factor for you to make your decision to send your child private, so hence your willingness to pay the premium.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:46pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:


They both learnt based on the same curriculum as approved by NUC . Excerpt u are saying Lecturers in private universities go out of the approved curriculum and teach something extra .

Is that what u are alluding ?

I have a question for you.
There's a course called energy and Petroleum studies offered by a private university in Delta state. But it's not in any other university.

It is NUC approved.


Universities are allowed to build on the existing structure. You just need to apply and have the NUC approve after carrying out their investigations.
That is what differentiates the private universities from the government universities in that situation.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:52pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:


No dey whine yourself oo.


Our exams from 300l was Ican standard, nobody will even beg you to attend class or read. We also have a well packed library with books on whatever you subject you want to read on. Our lecturers are also very knowledgeable.

In my set, we had 15 first class graduates. They all aced their ICAN exam in one sitting. 3 of them entered KPMG immediately after service, 1 entered Deloitte, 2 went into academics n so on. Our best graduating student Dapo currently works at KPMG US.

The edge private uni have over public schools is better infrastructure, equipment and exposure.

Even the exposure sef is relative .

During NYSC where I served , the less exposed guy in our midst was a graduate of Novena University , a private in Delta state . A lady who studied Yoruba education for TASUED in our midst was more exposed and knowledgeable than him.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:53pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:


The experience and quality of education defer. You went to a private university, you surely cannot comprehend some of the things those that attended federal or some state universities face.

Thankfully the state uni I went to dont usually admit alot of students yearly, for example in my faculty management science, Accounting (my set) had the highest intake and we were around 110 or so, banking and finance was 40+, I'm not even sure if Business administration was up to 40. So I cant really relate with alot of those that went to public uni and attend class in a crowded hall because for 90% of the time I was in Uni, my experience wasn't so except for the GNS and French lectures that we have combined class.

We had lecturers that were teaching 3 or more departments which most times make some of them miss classes due to exhaustion. Our own department lecturer were not even up to 5, we share the rest with Banking n Finance.

When I was President of my department and went to Redeemers Uni to talk to their own Accounting department President, I realise that we are lagging behind a lot. While their own association chapter was recognized by ICAN, ACCA and the likes and they attend their conferences and all, we have no such privileges. Infact the seminar that I held while I was President and invited the then ICAN President, he didnt come and sent Osun State Chapter Chairman for the event.

They (Redeemers) also had many lecturers compared to us, they also have relaxation areas, sporting complex, a big library that makes ours (That we usually use to make mouth) looks like a joke.

All these are part of what differentiate the experiences that those that attended my school and Redeemers uni will get.

Larride this is what you typed just today.
So I dont understand this whining.

I don't understand how 1st class students passing ICAN is supposed to be a shocking thing or them getting employment.
Would you like to compare the benefits of your students to what 1st class graduates from say Covenant will have especially across board.
The problem is we don't have someone from these schools to properly talk about the opportunities they have available.

I have never said there are no intelligent people in government unis but I stand by my point that the Gulf is consistently getting wider especially when you leave it at just your knowledge acquired in university alone.


That isn't hard to understand surely
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 4:54pm On Jun 21, 2023
raumdeuter:
I did a random google for school fees in covenant and got this website, I dont know how realistic it is

but if this is what a non subsidized Uni education is in Nigeria

https://www.witspot.org/covenant-university-school-fees/#Covenant_University_school_fees_for_200_Level_students

https://www.witspot.org/unilag-school-fees/

I chose for non freshers in both schools

So if the fees stay the same for 5yrs. A UNILAG students pays 80K and a Covenant student pays about 4M

And you say its not subsidized? grin grin cheesy cheesy

During my NYSC, I met a guy in the same school I served, the guy read Christian Religious Knowledge at Babcock. He was the first born of 4 but was the last to go to University because he insisted he wanted to study CRK and at Babcock for that matter. 😂

He said after all his siblings were through with Uni was when his father agreed for him to go to Uni. All his 3 siblings went to State Uni, he said when his father paid the first school fees of Babcock Uni, he told him that the moment he graduated, he doesn't owe him anything again in life. 😂

When we were calling the amount we paid in Uni he was just laughing and said he was not going to say how much his dad paid in Babcock before we get to know they pay close to 1m.

Anybody arguing that our school is not subsidized just want to argue for arguing sake.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 4:55pm On Jun 21, 2023
Olowunl01:

Agreed to an extent that those factor do not affect what they are taught in school, but it is an important factor for you to make your decision to send your child private, so hence your willingness to pay the premium.

There were friends who went to expensive Secondary school in the 90s Adesoye college, Atlantic Hall etc and paid 50K to 100K
Of course they had cleaner environments, went on excursions more, met richer kids. The parents too saw value in that and If I had the money I would have probably done the same

but at the end all of us had to face WAEC and JAMB

If the A-Hall kid didn't pass WAEC or JAMB then how is he better than those who went to Regular secondary school?

Osinbajo went to Corona Primary(An elite school), GEJ went to a no-name school, Many SANs and leader of Industries went to Jeleosimi and public schools

The number 1 Legal person in Nigeria CJN went to Local Authority Demonstration School in Iseyin, There are many who spent thousands on their legal education and couldnt get there

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:55pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Even the exposure sef is relative .

During NYSC where I served , the less exposed guy in our midst was a graduate of Novena University , a private in Delta state . A lady who studied Yoruba education for TASUED in our midst was more exposed and knowledgeable than him.

In what way was she more exposed than the guy?
Knowledge base or you talking about life (sense)
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 4:55pm On Jun 21, 2023
livelongprospa:


I have a question for you.
There's a course called energy and Petroleum studies offered by a private university in Delta state. But it's not in any other university.

It is NUC approved.


Universities are allowed to build on the existing structure. You just need to apply and have the NUC approve after carrying out their investigations.
That is what differentiates the private universities from the government universities in that situation.

The question is; is the accountancy being offered at OAU different from Accountancy being offered at Babcock ?

Do u believe the curriculum approved by NUC for OAU is different from that of Babcock ?

Please answer on a postcard

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 4:56pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:


The question is; is the accountancy being offered at OAU different from Accountancy being offered at Babcock ?

Do u believe the curriculum approved by NUC for OAU is different from that of Babcock ?

Please answer on a postcard
Do you believe the IT offered in covenant is the same with what is offered in uniben?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 5:01pm On Jun 21, 2023
Shaytun:


There’s no such law.

It’s a proposal by RMAFC, it hasn’t even been passed in the house of assembly both state and federal.

If only people will read the article , the headline is just a clickbait to garner response by pulse, our media houses are really something else.
I am seeing that have approved It o baba....

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 5:01pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:


Been trying to message him but can't find his number, it was on my small phone, I never see chance find the small phone

Gloriousgbola shey you fit help check on our blue ink guy to see if he is Okay

Abi dem don tie am down for Taraba
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olowunl01: 5:01pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:

Anybody arguing that our school is not subsidized just want to argue for arguing sake.
If you spent 7yrs instead of 4yrs due to strike would you still consider it subsidized? Or accord any value to the subsidy?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:01pm On Jun 21, 2023
livelongprospa:


In what way was she more exposed than the guy?
Knowledge base or you talking about life (sense)

He doesn’t process information like most graduates would; basic processes need to be explained to him over and over again . Sometimes he will make u wonder if he indeed attended a university where he was expected to be independent and learn to apply well thought-out solution to problems .

It’s difficult to explain , but he left much to be desired about him as a graduate
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 5:02pm On Jun 21, 2023
livelongprospa:


Larride this is what you typed just today.
So I dont understand this whining.

I don't understand how 1st class students passing ICAN is supposed to be a shocking thing or them getting employment.
Would you like to compare the benefits of your students to what 1st class graduates from say Covenant will have especially across board.
The problem is we don't have someone from these schools to properly talk about the opportunities they have available.

I have never said there are no intelligent people in government unis but I stand by my point that the Gulf is consistently getting wider especially when you leave it at just your knowledge acquired in university alone.


That isn't hard to understand surely

Bro my school was run like a private uni, we have 6 different campuses so that each campus is not overcrowded.

Like I said in that post, the difference is in infrastructure and having more lecturers than we do.

As for knowledge acquired in the University, you dey whine yourself.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 5:03pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:


He doesn’t process information like most graduates would; basic processes need to be explained to him over and over again . Sometimes he will make u wonder if he indeed attended a university where he was expected to be independent and learn to apply well thought-out solution to problems .

It’s difficult to explain , but he left much to be desired about him as a graduate
Lool
This is a basic human flaw.
Are there not people in government universities like this? 😁
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 5:03pm On Jun 21, 2023
Segedinho:

I am seeing that have approved It o baba....

If its approved them civil servant too should ask for nothing less than 120% increase in salary
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 5:03pm On Jun 21, 2023
larride:


Bro my school was run like a private uni, we have 6 different campuses so that each campus is not overcrowded.

Like I said in that post, the difference is in infrastructure and having more lecturers than we do.

As for knowledge acquired in the University, you dey whine yourself.

Lmao okay boss.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 5:05pm On Jun 21, 2023
Olowunl01:

If you spent 7yrs instead of 4yrs due to strike would you still consider it subsidized? Or accord any value to the subsidy?

Yes I would still consider it subsidized.

If a contractor tells you that this house in Banana Island that would cost 900M but finished in 1yr, It will cost you 200M but finished in 2yrs because I will use less manpower As long as the quality is comparable

Will you consider it subsidized?

Surely Davido will pay the 900M and get it sooner

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 5:06pm On Jun 21, 2023
Abeg....I am confused......make person explain am better for me.
https://dailytrust.com/fg-approves-114-salary-increase-for-tinubu-shettima-govs-others/
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:09pm On Jun 21, 2023
livelongprospa:

Do you believe the IT offered in covenant is the same with what is offered in uniben?

Yes I do.

I believe the IT being offered in Covenant and UNIVEN are the same because they use the same curriculum as approved by NUC .

I also believe the Covenant student has access to well equipped Library where he can carry out personal research after class. The UNIBEN student can also carry out his own personal research albeit under a different condition entirely.

In the long run I believe if both students pass their exams and graduate in good grades they can offer the same knowledge to their would-be employers .

I believe I’ve answered ur question.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 5:10pm On Jun 21, 2023
raumdeuter:


If its approved them civil servant too should ask for nothing less than 120% increase in salary

For this country.....

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 5:10pm On Jun 21, 2023
Olowunl01:

If you spent 7yrs instead of 4yrs due to strike would you still consider it subsidized? Or accord any value to the subsidy?

The strike is part of what you get. My own 4yrs was 4yrs even though ASUU strike for 6 month while I was in school.

My school opted out of ASUU strike being a state uni. Even this last strike, my school didnt partake in it.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 5:11pm On Jun 21, 2023
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 5:11pm On Jun 21, 2023
Segedinho:
Abeg....I am confused......make person explain am better for me.
https://dailytrust.com/fg-approves-114-salary-increase-for-tinubu-shettima-govs-others/

Try dey read news and understand first before sharing..

How is this one different from the one Pulse shared in the morning?

Better dont give yourself hbp with headline reading only.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:13pm On Jun 21, 2023
livelongprospa:

Lool
This is a basic human flaw.
Are there not people in government universities like this? 😁

U are missing the point . My post clearly says exposure is relative . Like I mean u can go to a private school and be exposed , yet u can go to the same private school and not be exposed .

See as I dey break things down for u like enzymes dey break down fatty acids 😁
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 5:17pm On Jun 21, 2023
Segedinho:

https://dailytrust.com/fg-approves-114-salary-increase-for-tinubu-shettima-govs-others/

Baba try dey read these things when u never drink black bullet, no let all these sensational headlines dey play with u.

The body of the article clearly repeated what pulse ng reported earlier . RMFAC boss still dey “urge “ states to implement the recommendation he made which buhari did not approve since January 1st 2023

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olowunl01: 5:19pm On Jun 21, 2023
raumdeuter:


Yes I would still consider it subsidized.

If a contractor tells you that this house in Banana Island that would cost 900M but finished in 1yr, It will cost you 200M but finished in 2yrs because I will use less manpower As long as the quality is comparable

Will you consider it subsidized?

Surely Davido will pay the 900M and get it sooner

Seems like apples and oranges here, but to answer your question No, that extra 1year is a risk; the 700M is insurance/compensation for my taking the risk, compensation for delaying my enjoyment of the asset; developer fit put my N200M into some maad yielding scheme, flip it over n number of times within 1year to still deliever my property in year 2 and turn profit.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by livelongprospa: 5:20pm On Jun 21, 2023
BlueRayDick:


Yes I do.

I believe the IT being offered in Covenant and UNIVEN are the same because they use the same curriculum as approved by NUC .

I also believe the Covenant student has access to well equipped Library where he can carry out personal research after class. The UNIBEN student can also carry out his own personal research albeit under a different condition entirely.

In the long run I believe if both students pass their exams and graduate in good grades they can offer the same knowledge to their would-be employers .

I believe I’ve answered ur question.
Having the same curriculum doesn't mean you have the same content.
The difference is what covenant builds upon and offers in their courses compared to government universities.
The curriculum is the foundation, each uni is meant to build on that hence where the difference lies.

This is outside better libraries, better learning conditions which include less tired lecturers who are subjected to checks and balances alot more than government uni lecturers.
No strikes to derail you.
Better security which leads to safer learning environment.


Wooh I've tried and it's okay to have your view point.

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