Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Change2015(m): 10:32pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
History of Lagos State Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) or Eko ("war camp" ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) , by its Bini conquerors. History has it that the Oba of Bini sent various trade expeditions to Ghana where spices were traded and one of his traders complained about the way she was being treated by the Awori's. The Oba of Bini then sent a trade expedition by sea. Ironically, the leader of the expedition arrived in the evening at a time when the people who were predominantly fishermen were either wading into the water or getting into their boats to gather their catch. He declined to engage them further and returned to what is now called Benin City where he reported to the Oba of Bini that they were attacked. This prompted the Oba of Bini to constitute a war expedition led by Ado, a Bini Prince to go to Lagos and demand an explanation. This was over 650 years ago. However, on getting there, they were well received. The people were so enamored with Ado they asked him to stay and lead them. He agreed on the condition that they surrendered their sovereignty to the Oba of Bini to which they agreed. The Oba of Bini was told this and he gave his permission for the expedition to remain. The Oba of Bini later sent some of his chiefs including the Eletu Odibo, Obanikoro and others to assist Ado in the running of Eko. Till today, the Oba of Lagos is the head of all the Kings in Lagos State and his status is different from other Oba's most of whom were later given back their crowns and staff of office only within the last 40 years and have various classifications. Suffice it to state that those who got their crowns back were the original land owners. These were Olofin's children. Moreover, modern day Lagosians have so intermingled that no single tribe or people can claim it even though the predominant language is Yoruba. The present day Lagos state has a higher percent of this sub-group who allegedly migrated to the area from Isheri along the Ogun river. History has it that the Awori were actually from Ife the cradle of Yorubaland. The Awori people are a peaceful people initially not taken to warfare. Due to war, those from the hinterlands, like the Ekiti ran towards Isheri which at that time had more than one Olofin (Alafin)who were heads of probably respective settlements about 1400AD. With the fleeing people from the hinterlands most of them scattered again to different places, some to Iro, to Otta, Ado, others to Ebute Metta i.e three landing places - Oyingbo, Iddo and Lagos Island (Eko). The Olofin that brought those who went to Ebute-Metta was Ogunfunminire later known as Agbodere. With the full commencement of the war about 2000 moved to the nearest island of Iddo, others to Otto Awori or Otto Ijanikin towards modern-day Badagry. Those from Ekiti Aramoko came to Ebute-Metta, Iddo and then Ijora. The Olofin was said to have 32 children. His own known children are Olumegbon, Aromire, Oloto, Oluwa, Oniru, Onisiwo, Onitoolo, and Elegushi. Ojora, Onikoyi and Mogiso were not his biological children. After the demise of Agbodere, the name Olofin became the name used to remember him while a title of Oloto was given to his seccessor. With one of his sons becoming the Oloto his other children parted ways to what is known as visible settlements in the present day Lagos. Aromire whose name means defeated the river or became the river's friend is likely to be the first to cross being said to have swam across the river. It is possible that his real name is not Aromire but due to the feat he became known as such. Until the coming of the Bini's, Lagos's geographic boundary was what is known now as Lagos Mainland. Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing posts. No one lived there though. The name Eko was given to it by its first King Oba Ado during its early history, it also saw periods of rule by the Kingdom of Benin.[1] Eko was the land area now known as Lagos Island where the king's palace was built. The Palace is called Iga Idunganran which, translated means Palace built on the pepper farm. Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin as well as some of the indigenous people who sought safety settled down in the southern part of Eko called "Isale Eko", Isale literarily meaning bottom, but must have been used to indicate downtown (as in Downtown Lagos). http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by otr1(m): 12:04am On Aug 23, 2015 |
Change2015:
The place and the word are both permanent reminders of the impact of Benin on lagos, quite apart from Lagos once being a part of the bini empire as was Onitsha. Impact of Benin on Lagos? We're talking about the Yorubas in general and not just Lagos. That Benin had some influence on Lagos doesn't stop the fact that the word "Oba" is originally a Yoruba word. I already gave an explanation on that. If Benin influenced Lagos, the Yorubas have also influenced the Binis centuries before. The evidences still abound till this minute. 6 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by MansaPiye: 2:38pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
As they say.. Story for the gods. Cultural influence is not political influence. American influence is global so while a Chinese city might copy an American one, it doesn't mean that America has any political influence in the area, the Chinese can decide to ban all that American influence like the Japanese did before the Meji restoration. The Igbos in the Delta are politically influence by Nri, that is why they have Obi and Igwe. That is why they have Nze Na Ozo and pay homage to where the ofo of Igbos come from which is Igbo land. Rulers love the trappings of power and glory, they all heard of Bini and its courts. Some even visited and invited some Binis to add prestige to their royal courts the same way a Chinese company hires white Americans to add prestige to their company. Some went as far as copying the Royal regalias of the Bini. But did Bini have any political influence no. The Ekumeku fighters in Anioma carried on fighting the British long after Bini has surrendered. They were fighting to maintain their independence. If they were under some sort of Bini hegemony, they would surrendered too. In places where Bini had political influence you don't need to look hard to see it. In Anioma, they speak Igbo and observe very important Igbo customs with Nri written all over it not Edo. Nri itself is far older than Bini. Since the Igbos had a sophisticated religious system and renounced priests, it is possible that Nri priests were invited to Bini by ambitious Kings. And when their services were no longer needed, they returned back to the east and the ambitious priests among them like Eze Chima settled in a new place and introduced some of what he saw in the courts of Bini in his own court while retaining his lgbo language and Nri culture like Nze Na Ozo which is practiced from Onitsha to Agbor and many other Igbo speaking settlements. 4 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by chrisblack: 3:42pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
Ugomba: will you shut up pls, we delta Igbos have warned you benin people to stop bringing your benin crap inorder to falsely rewrite our history and claim Asaba.. Heads will ROLL if you people dare us. u mean your own head's.which kind otumopor you get.tell me which kind juju you get. Where Benin dey. You talk too much it shows how empty your threat are. Benin no need to shout or talk before head's roll.ekpa |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by wytecat: 5:03pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
Let them keep collapsing a sentence into a single word just to fit in and feel good, it's inferiority that's killing them. otr1: The title "Oba" has meaning only in Yoruba language.
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by wytecat: 5:44pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
These are facts!
The ancient Binis were Yoruba.
Oba has no clear-cut meaning in other language but Yoruba.
Eko has no clear-cut meaning in any other language, but Yoruba.
Bini empire began with a Yoruba sent from Ile Ife.
Republic of Benin named after the body of water.
Benin republic pays homage to Ile Ife and nowhere else.
Itsekiri share language with Yoruba not with "Benin". Languages point to people's roots. Even the Olukunmi deep in delta still have their Yoruba language.
The modern day "Benin" are mostly ibos or mixed, I've said this in the past, everything about them is confusion. Forget their theory of a rat giving birth to an elephant, the true Bini emperor was a Yoruba from Ile Ife and was not as ruthless as made to believe, it was just added for feel-good measures.
Lagos was NEVER conquered by any forces outside Yoruba territories, this is the reason the language and names are still Yoruba. Conquerors live their marks via names and language, the reality on ground is Yoruba conquered Benin if anything because we don't speak the same language yet Yoruba language is used by Benin in worshipping gods, in the palace and naming, abeg it doesn't take a rocket science to know where the head has always been. 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by NakedEve: 6:53pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
you cant change history. majority of today south south and part of south east are benin descendant.
Aren't you funny? You claim SE are Benin descendants and yet when Igbo pple include ur map in their Biafra u shout blue murder? Anyway u guys down there can kill yaselfs. We up in MiddleBelt just dey watch una. If una die finish we go come inherit our oyel, our gas and your land , so pls go ahead and kill urselves. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OfoIgbo: 6:57pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
Please check out the snippet I just got off the internet that clearly shows immense Nri influence on Benin kingdom. The exploration took place in late 1400s by Portuguese explorers. http://www.medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us. The kingdom being east of Benin obviously rules out any Yoruba kingdom. It couldn't have been the Igala kingdom as Igala is as much east, as it is north of Benin and secondly, Nri gave the ofo to any reigning Attah back in those days The king described as the most powerful monarch in these parts of course meant the king was more powerful than the Ooni of Ife or Alafin of Oyo. That is why I laugh when spanishkid, mulatoclaro and others cast aspersions on Igbo achievements, not knowing that the Nri-Igbos confirmed their kings in olden days, including Ewuare the great. The only reason Nris did not form an empire, which could have been the greatest empire Africa would have ever known, is mainly because Nris have a code of peace and fairness to all. NWA MMUO EMEGBUNA NWA MMADU, NWA MMADU EMEGBUNA NWA MMUO. Nri is the sun, around which the Igbo, Benin and Igala culture revolves. Nri ji ofo The last true Eze Nri which was Eze Nri Obalike mentioned IDU as one of the territories under Nri sphere of influence 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Lordave: 7:10pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
MansaPiye: As they say.. Story for the gods. Cultural influence is not political influence. American influence is global so while a Chinese city might copy an American one, it doesn't mean that America has any political influence in the area, the Chinese can decide to ban all that American influence like the Japanese did before the Meji restoration. The Igbos in the Delta are politically influence by Nri, that is why they have Obi and Igwe. That is why they have Nze Na Ozo and pay homage to where the ofo of Igbos come from which is Igbo land. Rulers love the trappings of power and glory, they all heard of Bini and its courts. Some even visited and invited some Binis to add prestige to their royal courts the same way a Chinese company hires white Americans to add prestige to their company. Some went as far as copying the Royal regalias of the Bini. But did Bini have any political influence no. The Ekumeku fighters in Anioma carried on fighting the British long after Bini has surrendered. They were fighting to maintain their independence. If they were under some sort of Bini hegemony, they would surrendered too. In places where Bini had political influence you don't need to look hard to see it. In Anioma, they speak Igbo and observe very important Igbo customs with Nri written all over it not Edo. Nri itself is far older than Bini. Since the Igbos had a sophisticated religious system and renounced priests, it is possible that Nri priests were invited to Bini by ambitious Kings. And when their services were no longer needed, they returned back to the east and the ambitious priests among them like Eze Chima settled in a new place and introduced some of what he saw in the courts of Bini in his own court while retaining his lgbo language and Nri culture like Nze Na Ozo which is practiced from Onitsha to Agbor and many other Igbo speaking settlements. A tactical, sophisticated and of course, acceptable analysis.
#Logic |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by chukzyblingz(m): 9:55pm On Jun 21, 2016 |
MansaPiye: As they say.. Story for the gods. Cultural influence is not political influence. American influence is global so while a Chinese city might copy an American one, it doesn't mean that America has any political influence in the area, the Chinese can decide to ban all that American influence like the Japanese did before the Meji restoration. The Igbos in the Delta are politically influence by Nri, that is why they have Obi and Igwe. That is why they have Nze Na Ozo and pay homage to where the ofo of Igbos come from which is Igbo land. Rulers love the trappings of power and glory, they all heard of Bini and its courts. Some even visited and invited some Binis to add prestige to their royal courts the same way a Chinese company hires white Americans to add prestige to their company. Some went as far as copying the Royal regalias of the Bini. But did Bini have any political influence no. The Ekumeku fighters in Anioma carried on fighting the British long after Bini has surrendered. They were fighting to maintain their independence. If they were under some sort of Bini hegemony, they would surrendered too. In places where Bini had political influence you don't need to look hard to see it. In Anioma, they speak Igbo and observe very important Igbo customs with Nri written all over it not Edo. Nri itself is far older than Bini. Since the Igbos had a sophisticated religious system and renounced priests, it is possible that Nri priests were invited to Bini by ambitious Kings. And when their services were no longer needed, they returned back to the east and the ambitious priests among them like Eze Chima settled in a new place and introduced some of what he saw in the courts of Bini in his own court while retaining his lgbo language and Nri culture like Nze Na Ozo which is practiced from Onitsha to Agbor and many other Igbo speaking settlements. Agbor practice Nze na ofo and pay homage to where the ofo came from? even using the ekumeku war to disprove bini Anioma relationship? very lame logic 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by jayrule(m): 9:28am On Oct 02, 2016 |
chukzyblingz: Agbor practice Nze na ofo and pay homage to where the ofo came from? even using the ekumeku war to disprove bini Anioma relationship? very lame logic Now you can just doctor your own fact out of no where for us to see... Dont quote a fact that is well established without giving your own well established objection to this fact. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by oyatz(m): 10:35pm On Mar 09, 2021 |
Ugomba: will you shut up pls, we delta Igbos have warned you benin people to stop bringing your benin crap inorder to falsely rewrite our history and claim Asaba.. Heads will ROLL if you people dare us. But he never mentioned anything about Asaba. He only quoted what the great Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe wrote in his autobiography about the ancestries of the Onitsha People as he was told by his grandmother. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Eros48: 5:03am On Jun 21, 2023 |
This statement implies you know little about Edo history. Other than the fact your story looks like a poorly woven cloth, you need to understand that Edo has been through about 3 dynasties namely pre ogiso (poorly recorded), the Ogiso (Well documented from 40AD) and the Oba era. Also it may interest you to know that the Portuguese first came to Nigeria in the 15th century. Which is recent and at the time the Benin empire (not the pre ogiso or the ogiso era) was in its full majesty. This already makes all your claims false. About the Obi of Onitsha and Onitsha itself, the Benin presence and influence cannot be denied. Onitsha was founded in 17th century. As for places like Asaba; Many of the people there originated from Benin, others Igala others Igbo. You can deny it all you want but, be honest with yourself and connect the dots. It is obvious that the Igbos, Yoruba and Benin are different people. Not withstanding Benin's influence is predominant and not the other way around. I also read someone say the Benin's are few, they aren't. The difference is they don't go around claiming people like other ethnic groups in Nigeria do. They have people in the Northern( middle belt), s. eastern, S.southern and S.Western parts of Nigeria, they also have Ga ethnic group of Ghana and some people in Benin Republic and Togo to mention those I am aware about. Let's not also forget about the Ancient Benin Genocide, now dubbed massacre of 1897. That disintegrated the empire as it was and dispersed it's people. (well documented) Og OfoIgbo:
That is my point... Remember that I had already written that the Oba title originated in Nri, and it is still born today. People in Enugwu-ukwu must have heard of the late Oba Nwandu. In fact, a cousin of the current Eze Nri is known as Oba Agbalanze (Prince Emeka Onyesoh). The title has been in Igboland (Umu-Nri clan to be exact) 100s of years before the first Oba of Nri ancestry was installed in Benin, and the current nomenclature's OBA IWEKA. Put simply, it was the Nris that introduced the oba title to Benin, by installing an Nri titled man as the first Oba. Now Iweka means ANGER IS GREAT presumably in the land that he was installed as the don.
Akalaka is reputed to be a Benin prince that established Ikwerre, Ekpeye. Akalaka means DESTINY in Igbo.
Ezechima is reputed to be a Benin prince that established Onitsha. So how come these Benin princes all seem to have Igbo names? Because the first oba was an Nri man and his early descendants were Igbo, and Igbo was the language spoken at the Oba's palace to start with.
Add all these to the findings of early Portuguese explorers, most probably led by Prince Henry the navigator, in which they saw Nri people in the Oba's palace, and a picture begins to develop |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Raskimonojendor: 5:27am On Jun 21, 2023 |
What sort of rubbish topic is this ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) 3 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OVB123: 7:01am On Jun 21, 2023 |
Volksfuhrer: @ KINGOSIRO99.
There's too much salt in your story. The Ilajes know their history, they are not from Benin. Many other groups you mentioned might have been vassals to Benin, it doesn't necessarily mean their people came from Benin. That Rome ruled over England does not necessarily mean the English came from Rome.
I believe Benin influence over the Niger delta has been grossly exaggerated. I find it curious that the Ogisos did not build an empire, yet we are being led to believe that the Benin empire has been ubiquitous for thousands of years! That story just doesn't add up. They don't add up because you are a baby. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 8:10am On Jun 21, 2023 |
morbeta: An English friend of mine told me that an Igboman fron Onitsha in anambra state was a very famous Oba in Benin Kingdom. Pls confirm. I want to know how true that is. It was the other way round The first Obi of Onitsha was a Benin Prince 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OfoIgbo: 10:21am On Jun 21, 2023 |
Eros48: This statement implies you know little about Edo history. Other than the fact your story looks like a poorly woven cloth, you need to understand that Edo has been through about 3 dynasties namely pre ogiso (poorly recorded), the Ogiso (Well documented from 40AD) and the Oba era. Also it may interest you to know that the Portuguese first came to Nigeria in the 15th century. Which is recent and at the time the Benin empire (not the pre ogiso or the ogiso era) was in its full majesty. This already makes all your claims false.
About the Obi of Onitsha and Onitsha itself, the Benin presence and influence cannot be denied. Onitsha was founded in 17th century.
As for places like Asaba; Many of the people there originated from Benin, others Igala others Igbo.
You can deny it all you want but, be honest with yourself and connect the dots. It is obvious that the Igbos, Yoruba and Benin are different people. Not withstanding Benin's influence is predominant and not the other way around.
I also read someone say the Benin's are few, they aren't. The difference is they don't go around claiming people like other ethnic groups in Nigeria do. They have people in the Northern( middle belt), s. eastern, S.southern and S.Western parts of Nigeria, they also have Ga ethnic group of Ghana and some people in Benin Republic and Togo to mention those I am aware about.
Let's not also forget about the Ancient Benin Genocide, now dubbed massacre of 1897. That disintegrated the empire as it was and dispersed it's people.
(well documented) Og Bro, as I have a busy schedule today, please read the content of this link. Amongst other useful information, you will read a snippet of what those Portuguese explorers who visited Benin in the 1400s wrote down, to really appreciate the extent of Nri influence. Please bear in mind that OGANE (as the Portuguese explorers wrote it down) simply is a corruption of the Ed/Bini word OGHENE, which means Lord, or a highly distinguished personality. https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/318525/lagos-was-founded-by-igbo-bini-priest-kings-over-500-years-b.html |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Volksfuhrer(m): 12:09pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OVB123: They don't add up because you are a baby. You are a savage and a troll with nothing to add. All I wrote up there have veritable references. I could have educated you with these if you had asked nicely: we would have had a great conversation on the topic. What a missed opportunity! Adiós. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by AntiMarxist: 12:20pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
We wuz Juice
We wuz Pharaohs n shit
Now we wuz Obas.
Igbo enh! 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by NaMe4: 1:53pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OfoIgbo:
That is my point... Remember that I had already written that the Oba title originated in Nri, and it is still born today. People in Enugwu-ukwu must have heard of the late Oba Nwandu. In fact, a cousin of the current Eze Nri is known as Oba Agbalanze (Prince Emeka Onyesoh). The title has been in Igboland (Umu-Nri clan to be exact) 100s of years before the first Oba of Nri ancestry was installed in Benin, and the current nomenclature's OBA IWEKA. Put simply, it was the Nris that introduced the oba title to Benin, by installing an Nri titled man as the first Oba. Now Iweka means ANGER IS GREAT presumably in the land that he was installed as the don.
Akalaka is reputed to be a Benin prince that established Ikwerre, Ekpeye. Akalaka means DESTINY in Igbo.
Ezechima is reputed to be a Benin prince that established Onitsha. So how come these Benin princes all seem to have Igbo names? Because the first oba was an Nri man and his early descendants were Igbo, and Igbo was the language spoken at the Oba's palace to start with.
Add all these to the findings of early Portuguese explorers, most probably led by Prince Henry the navigator, in which they saw Nri people in the Oba's palace, and a picture begins to develop ABSOLUTE TRASH! Raskimonojendor: What sort of rubbish topic is this ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) Real retard-worthy nonsense! And guess what? Many of the ignoramuses screaming 'biafra' may believe this crap! morbeta: An English friend of mine told me that an Igboman fron Onitsha in anambra state was a very famous Oba in Benin Kingdom. Pls confirm. I want to know how true that is. LOL. See the basis of the nonsense thread sef. A European friend told you. You don't know your own history abi your forefathers hid yours from you? No be only Oba of Benin, na Alexander the Great! 4 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Johnjustice: 2:27pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
Onitsha belongs to Benin, Oba of Benin seized the area back then, and the people there were his subjects. 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Johnjustice: 3:17pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
AntiMarxist: We wuz Juice
We wuz Pharaohs n shit
Now we wuz Obas.
Igbo enh! A people with no identity 😆 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Johnjustice: 3:22pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
wytecat: These are facts!
The ancient Binis were Yoruba.
Oba has no clear-cut meaning in other language but Yoruba.
Eko has no clear-cut meaning in any other language, but Yoruba.
Bini empire began with a Yoruba sent from Ile Ife.
Republic of Benin named after the body of water.
Benin republic pays homage to Ile Ife and nowhere else.
Itsekiri share language with Yoruba not with "Benin". Languages point to people's roots. Even the Olukunmi deep in delta still have their Yoruba language.
The modern day "Benin" are mostly ibos or mixed, I've said this in the past, everything about them is confusion. Forget their theory of a rat giving birth to an elephant, the true Bini emperor was a Yoruba from Ile Ife and was not as ruthless as made to believe, it was just added for feel-good measures.
Lagos was NEVER conquered by any forces outside Yoruba territories, this is the reason the language and names are still Yoruba. Conquerors live their marks via names and language, the reality on ground is Yoruba conquered Benin if anything because we don't speak the same language yet Yoruba language is used by Benin in worshipping gods, in the palace and naming, abeg it doesn't take a rocket science to know where the head has always been.
Lagos was conquered at a point, at least the marina axis, down to Island only epe was not. The story of Benin being Yoruba is lies, the Benin ancestry and throne traces back to ogodomigodo, then Ogiso dynasty, far beyond the Oba times. The story of oranmiyan is myth, as no empirical facts, fossils or cultural exchanges were observed to ascertain this. Edo people maintained their kingship, history and culture from ogodomigodo down to oba dynasty, no interference from outsiders till the British came. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by AntiMarxist: 3:54pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
Johnjustice:
A people with no identity 😆 A slave race stealing from others No pedigree. No history No culture Sad 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by orisa37: 5:53pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
THAT BENIN REPUBLIC IS A NO MAN REPUBLIC BELONGING TO EKWEREMADU. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by delpee(f): 6:28pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OfoIgbo: People I am a direct descendant of Nri and let me shed a little light on these issues
1. The title OBA was/is an Nri title, already in use within the core Nri towns of Enugwu-ukwu, Enugwu-agidi, Nawfia and Agukwu centuries before the first known oba of Benin I.e OBA IWEKA. 2. BINI was coined from the Igbo sentence ILO OBI INU, which means THE ROAD OF BITTER HEARTS. 3. The first Oba of Benin was an Nri titled man and the alias attached to his Obaship denoted the temperament of the Bini people back then. IWEKA goes hand in hand with ILO OBI INU. It means ANGER IS GREAT, obviously still referring to the BINIS 4. In times past, mainly because of the relationship of the Benin obas and Nri, Nri priests crowned Obas of Benin, probably up until Oba Ewuare from whose reign, the Nris started playing diminishing roles in the Benin Kingdom 5. The four market days used by Binis is a corruption of the market days originated by the Nris 6. Portuguese explorers that visited the palace of the Oba about six hundreds of years ago or so, reported the presence of HIGHLY REVERED MEN FROM THE EAST WHO TAUGHT THE PALACE THE MYSTERIES OF THE HEAVINGLY BODIES AND SEASONS e.t.c. Of course that will explain why Bini people still use the Nri-Igbo four market days. 7. Around the time of the Portuguese visit and for hundreds of years before that, the official language of the Obas palace was Igbo. 8. I hope with the above, people can now see why quite a number of Benin princes that migrated to certain areas bore Igbo names e.g Ezechima, Akalaka e.t.c.
So basically, the first oba of Benin and his descendants have Nri ancestry Ile Ibinu means the land of anger/bitterness in Yoruba. The Oba of Benin certainly has a relationship with Ile Ife. That's why the Oba of Benin pays a visit to Ife sometime after coronation. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Pythagoras001: 6:47pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
what I don't understand is how the binis claim everyone is from them. Yoruba is from bini. ikwerre is bini. anioma is bini. na waa ooo. all this tribe from bini. bini should be the most populous tribe in Nigeria. but, otu awu na ezi. everybody migrate from there yet they so tiny....
the only part I disagree with is the most populous part. The British island was quite small compare to the size of the the entire British empire same way Rome as compared to the entire roman empire. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OfoIgbo: 6:54pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
delpee:
Ile Ibinu means the land of anger/bitterness in Yoruba. The Oba of Benin certainly has a relationship with Ile Ife. That's why the Oba of Benin pays a visit to Ife sometime after coronation. Ilo Obinu also means the road to bitter hearts in Igbo. That's why Benin people still use the Nri-Igbo four market days till tomorrow, all of which have their originating shrines in core Umu NRI towns 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by delpee(f): 11:34pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OfoIgbo:
Ilo Obinu also means the road to bitter hearts in Igbo.
That's why Benin people still use the Nri-Igbo four market days till tomorrow, all of which have their originating shrines in core Umu NRI towns Interesting. Seems we're all linked together somehow. Anyway the Olukumis in Delta/SE too were originally Yorubas. Olukumi means my friend in Yoruba. They're referred to as Lucumis in South America..Colombia, Cuba etc Those sold into slavery I believe. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by NaMe4: 4:24am On Jun 22, 2023 |
delpee:
Interesting. Seems we're all linked together somehow. Anyway the Olukumis in Delta/SE too were originally Yorubas. Olukumi means my friend in Yoruba. They're referred to as Lucumis in South America..Colombia, Cuba etc Those sold into slavery I believe. How do you think they got to South America? Through Slave Trade. Are they Yorubas? Yes. Why were they in the same location with some Igbos, Igalas, etc in a geographical area now called Anioma in Delta State? Because in the period between the 12th Century to 18th Century, those areas had camps where slaves from various locations were assembled over time before being shipped in batches to the Americas. But some cunning persons will attempt to turn history on its head. That's why you have people from these areas in Delta State who know their origin and heritage and will always state they are not Igbos, despite constant attempts to bully them. These are just pure facts even though it may hurt some. But we have a lot of insincere folks. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by caleboxylic: 4:31am On Jun 22, 2023 |
KINGOSIRO99: WHO ARE THE EDO PEOPLE'S?
SOME WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOST THEIR REAL ORIGIN. BUT JUST DO YOUR THOROUGH RESEARCH YOU WILL COME TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF THIS HISTORY YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ.
Who are the Edo people?
EDO, is what you can describe as the "generic name given to a group of people who have a common ancestor and have a common language, with some different variants, depending on the distance between the group and the " tap root, " resident in and around the present day Benin City. In short, the land, the political state, the people, tribe, language and the principal city -Benin City is called EDO. At a point in the history of these people, another name called BENIN came into use. These Edo-speaking people are divided into the following clans today:
a) " BINI " derived from the word Benin for people living in and around Benin City, in Edo State. People living in and around Benin City, are gradually accepting the word BINI, as descriptive of their clan. Otherwise, they prefer to be simply called EDO.
b) ESAN/Ishan-for the immediate neighbor to the north are people living in around Irrua, Orhodua, Uromi, Ubiaja, Ewu, Ewatto, Igueben and the almighty Evbohimwin (Ewohimi))" the city by the big river " or " the city of Ikhimwin trees " etc.
c) The Afemais known as IVBIOSAKON by those living in and around Benin City to the north of Ishan/Esan clan.
d) Akoko-Edos based in Igarra, Ibillo and its environs to the north of Afemais.
e) The Owans-ORAS occupying Eme, Sabogida-Ora, Afuze, etc. Uhobe (SOBE) and Ifon in Ondo State.
f) Ekas-to East of Benin. A sizeable chunk of the Edo speaking people flow across River Niger and ending at ONITSHA.
g) Isoko, Urhobo, Itsekiris and about 70% percent of western Izon (Ijaws) in Ndegeni and its environs
h) A sizeable chunk of the Edos is found in River States and Balyesa States e.g. Ogba land and Diobu, Port Harcourt.
i) A sizeable chunk has been " Yorubanised in Ondo, Ekiti, Lagos and Ogun States. The descendants of Edo soldiers stationed in Akure are referred to today as ADO-AKURE (Edo ne ’kue) There are many Edos in Ekiti land, Idoani, Idanre etc going through life in Nigeria with Yoruba names. Acculturation has taken place. You are either a Yoruba man or you go nowhere.
j) The ILAJE community at OKITIPUPA and its environs.
k) The Edos who conquered and settled far way land like Dahomey, Togo and Ghana.
The Edo language is part of the Kwa-Niger group of languages according to Linguist. These people have lived were they are now for " Thousands of years." The monarchy centered in Benin City is about 6000 years old, including pre-ogiso and Ogiso era of history. All the clans had various functions, which they perform at the palace. For example, the Ishans/Esans were principally the medicine men and warriors of the ancient empire. They were the medical practitioners. The chieftancy groups responsible for the Oba's well being are dominated by Ishan/Esan descendants. The Ivbiosakon (Afemais) were the dental surgeon of the palace. That is the origin of the name IVBIOSAKON. Oba Esigie assigned that function to them in the c1500's.
The Owan/Ora people were the propitiators of the physical earth for the Oba of Benin. It was their responsibility to prevent things like earthquake, hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes and anything associated with geological disturbance to occur in Benin. In short, they were the geologists and weathermen of their day, forecasting and preventing physical calamities. Those we call BINIS today, were the traditional bureaucratic administrators and military generals. The Izons (Ijaws) were the " OZIGUE" -SAILORS The Ekas were farmers. They were in charge of the royal farms.
The Ibos across the Niger call the Edos, IDU, the name of the progenitor of Edo race, the Yorubas call us ADO, which is a corruption of the word EDO. However, the Itsekiris, another sub group in the Edo clans call us UBINI. Tradition asserts that it is derived from ILE-IBINU, which is descriptive of the exasperation and frustration encountered in Benin City, by Prince Oranmiyan of ILE-IFE. A further research may prove that, it was the Itsekiris who gave that name, to the people living in and around Benin City. The Itsekiris told the white man of the powerful overlord living in Igodomigodo. It was the Itsekiris who told the Whiteman that the name of the tribe of this powerful king was UBINI- a term which Whiteman corruptly wrote down as Benin. For example, the name of the eldest daughter of Oba Osewende, the mother of the OSULAS and the AIWERIOGHENES is today known as AGHAYUBINI. A closer examination of that name would reveal that the name is an Itsekhiri phrase-" The Ubini Lady or woman " i.e. the woman from Benin. Aghayubini was a very wealthy trader among the Itsekiris, from whence she got the money she used, is getting the throne for her brother, who became Oba ADOLO. An Itsekhiri descriptive phrase has simply over powered her original Edo name, to the extent that nobody knows anything about it now.
The ancient Edo/Benin Empire covered the whole of Bendel, parts of Bayelsa State and I repeat Balyesa State. The second son of the Enogie of Brass, popularly known as IYASE NE OHENMWEN became the Iyase of Benin under Oba Osewende. Iyase Ohenmwen is the ancestor of the OTOKITIS, THE OKEAYA-INNEH AND THE AIWERIOGHENES of Benin today. It also covers the IGBO-speaking areas of Delta State stretching to Onitsha. People hardly know that the actual title of the Obi of Onitsha is AIGBOGHIDI. The historical Chief Agho Obaseki of Oba Ovoranmwen era and later the Iyase of Benin under Oba Eweka II, was a descendant of the second son of Enogie of NSUKWA now in Delta State. It extended to the whole of Ondo State, parts of Ekiti and Ogun State and the whole of Lagos State including BADAGRY. It stretched to southern Dahomey (Republic of Benin) and on to the coast of Togo and Ghana.
THE OWANS /ORAS:
Oba Ozolua is traditionally regarded as the ancestor of the Owans/Ora. He was known as Prince Okpame before he became known as Oba Ozolua. He had sought refuge in Uwokha in Ivbiosakon areas in c1473. From Uwokha, Oba Ozolua founded Ora and other villages. Oba Ozolua was a warlord. He beat the people of Uzea near Uromi to a pulp when there was a revolt. He extended his carnage to Uromi when the Enogie was reported to have been rude to his messengers. He went up through Akoko land, wandering into Nupe lands where he acquired a lot of sophisticated weaponry then. He attacked the Igallas and Igbirras in the present Kogi and Kwarra states. After spending the greater part of his life in ORA, he left behind his son UGUAN and returned to Benin City.
But before he left, he proclaimed everybody free men and free women, entitled to enjoy the privileges of Edo princes and Princesses, for all the services they had rendered in his military campaigns. That is why the Oras call themselves today, the CHILDREN OF OZOLUA. Besides being in charge of propitiating the physical earth, they are responsible for ritually exorcising any harm that might come upon the EDO NATION-the land due to violation of sexual or other taboos. Their GUILD, quartered at EVBORHAN quarter in OGBELAKA in Benin City by Oba Esigie, demands steep fines from the culprits for their services.
A few years ago, the Oba of Benin created an Ogie-Duke-traditional rulership for the Oras because of popular demand.
Ademola Iyi Eweka. Look The green color is the true map of Edo territories make this campaign know to the unknown Edo is not a minority in their Land. EDO is an umbrella that cover all.
Nonsense. The last kingdom after some many kingdoms in west Africa is claiming everybody. The so called bini people no reach a senatorial district in Nigeria. Tell us your market days, tell us how you influenced those you claimed are your descendants. Tell us why and how ordinary igala defeated your so called warriors and seized the bronze from your palace that attah of igala wears till date.? Tell us how you counted your days,months and years before the coming of white man and how you influenced your so called descendant with it. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Nobody: 8:41am On Jun 22, 2023 |
If you go deeper you'd know that an ibbo man was also the King of England before King James I. 1 Like |