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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 2:59pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
mostob: If we do that one even Gabriel go collect, Ramsdale go collect, even Saka wey lose penalty go collect. 🤣 |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by mostob(m): 2:59pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
germaphobe:Apt! God bless you bro. Saliba has made us forget how good White was then. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by germaphobe(m): 3:00pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
BlueRayDick:I think I understand better now, thanks. Well saliba gave us what we can only dream of with white at RCB no doubt about that but thank God u know white could have been a better replacement ahead of both kiwior and holding if tomiyasu was around to cover the RB position |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 3:01pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
mostob: Which still doesn't dispute the fact that Saliba is one of the unbenchables |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 3:01pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera: I am with BlueRayDick on this one. He is Arteta's best student because he plays to Arteta's instruction better than anyone and that is why he is a first team player. I want to careful so I don't denigrate our player because I want to make a case. I will let my screenshots speak, pay close attention to the dates. This isn't even about Saliba because Saliba is levels above him, no cap. 1 Like
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 3:06pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera: Lets be clear, White playing RB exposed us a lot and limited us offensively. Again, the reason White is benching Tomiyasu is because he plays better to Arteta's instruction and he is always available. This is why I have advocated for him to return to the CB role and compete for a place. Is he a good player? yes but don't hype him to be the 2nd coming of Lillian Thuram in his prime. 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 3:06pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera:Yes for a cb to replace Tomi it means tomi is below avera |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 3:08pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
mostob:Arteta na 1st eleven player(Just like Klopp). E dey hard make dem trust bench players except situation demands. That's one of the downside about them unfortunately 3 Likes |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by germaphobe(m): 3:09pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
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Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 3:11pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Roland17:Lol, the dates I'm seeing is prior to his signing and the match against crystal palace (2-2) where the team is still struggling for stability. During that time his signing is being met with consternation especially as we all felt attack needed to be strengthened instead of defence. I even join attack him and Rammy signing during the early months Can you please bring me receipts from November upwards where he's being slated for consistently being average or underwhelming that season? If you don't mind please 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 3:17pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Roland17:Lol, I'm not hyping him, infact I don't think my post portrays such. My plea is simple: How was White first season with us. Good, average or bad? I feel we can answer that without comparing him with Saliba since that season Is an isolated season? Moreover, Him displacing Tomi is due to Arteta fixing him there as you said. Does that mean Tomi was average the previous season? No That's exactly the point I was passing to iamoyi.ndamola |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 3:17pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
iamoyindamola:You see am na... I don't know if this is sarcasm or you're serious |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 3:24pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera: Me choosing not to dig further is because it would be easy to misconstrue my position based on my love for Saliba and I don't want this debate to degenerate into a White bashing because he deserves better. White was not the best Brighton defender. When he arrived, he was better than what we had except for Saliba who had to go on loan. Off the top of my head, I remember the loss to Southampton where he had a horrible showing, you can look for the highlights but this is why I am choosing not to pick instances because it would not be fair to White. I don't think anyone is saying he is bad but don't make him out to be more than he actually is. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 3:38pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Roland17:Lol... How do I put it? Lemme see White Is not a 50m defender ... Agreed White wasn't what we needed since we have Saliba... Agreed White probably wasn't Brighton best defender... Agreed But we signed him so we have to move forward; So the question I'm asking are: 1.. As a whole of his First season, Was he Very Average?(Ignore the 50m we spent on him or whether we needed him and look at solely his performance at the 2021/22 season). Was it an average performance? 2.. During Saliba's injury, would we have felt Saliba's absence much if White Is to stand in during Saliba's injury while Tomi played RB towards the deciding fixtures last season? This are the two pertinent questions I'm asking that needs answers and I would love to hear your (and other arsenal) thoughts on these NB: Blueray.dick said "YES" to the first question while "No" to the second question, While me and Mostob was a "No" and "YES" respectively. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 3:42pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera:But tomi was below average na |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 3:46pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 3:46pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera: Just see it this way: 1. White was an upgrade to the defenders we had at the time he was signed. Those defenders were actually poor at that time he was signed. 2. White did not bring the level of stability Van Djik brought to Loserpool. Even though he was an upgrade to what we had at that time, his performance was not above average. As in it wasn't exceptional unlike what we had with the introduction of Saliba last season. 3. Saliba was clearly way above average to the extent that rival fans, pundits and sports news blogs kept on showering encomiums on him. Even we the fans could not hold our joy anytime we see the team list and Saliba is on it as expected. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 3:49pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera:You keep mixing it up White replaced tomi in his second season |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 3:51pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
BlueRayDick:Which earned saliba in the team of the season |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 3:54pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
iamoyindamola: Exactly! |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 3:58pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
BlueRayDick:Lol... Saliba was like a 90/100 performance while White was a 70-75/100 performance. Let's use Odegaard as an example. Odegaard was very very impressive during the 20/21 season but few pundits nor rival fans showered encomiums on him. In fact the only rival fan whom I knew praised him was Popi from Chelsea thread and this is me who's mostly moving from one sports thread to another. But this past season, the way pundits and rival fans were raving about him, one would think it's just this past season he started cooking. While I wouldn't doubt he raised the bar and put in world class performances, I would deny that he was class the previous season. And that's the same thing with White 1 Like |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 4:01pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
iamoyindamola:You're the one mixing it up. You claimed White was below average (or average) in his first season reason why Saliba replaced him in the second season. So I asked, Was Tomi below average in his first season that White replaced him in his second season? |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 4:10pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera:If tomi wasn’t average why will white bench instead of white sitting on bench |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 4:15pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera: Lolz U made a wrong analogy with this Odegaard issue and I will tell u why I said so. Before Odegaard arrived Arsenal once had Ozil whom everyone knows his quality and that explains why most people didn't get excited when he was pre-cooking prior to last season. The people expected close to what Ozil is known for. It was only last season when he brought that A-game everyone had to give him his flowers. Now to White issue, most people expected him to bring that Van Djik level of stability to our defence line and that was the reason the pro-attack debators kept on dragging us in his first season when he was partnering with Gabriel. NOT: At no point did I ever consider white poor, just that he's not that Knight in shining armour Ur argument seems to suggest he was. Saliba was and is! 2 Likes |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Jodera: 4:27pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
iamoyindamola:Roland answered you here Roland17: |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Roland17(m): 4:27pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera: Look at it this way.. Saliba has made the team of the season. Gabu won player of the month 3 times during the period under review Show us where White won player of the month as a CB during the period. His only player of the month has come as a RB for Arsenal. This proves that he did not have consistency in performance to win one as a CB partnering Gabu. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by BlueRayDick: 4:35pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Roland17: This should settle it. If not, I will conclude Spy and Jodera should be in laws cos dem get energy to drag discussion from today till 100 years |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 4:40pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera:I don't understand what you mean by that what I meant. There's a literal interpretation to waht I typed in the first paragraph. People felt that Arteta was bringing Zinny as a LB because he played there for Man City. But I knew that he was first of all a midfielder. I don't think you have any choice than to accept because I have maintained this stand till date. |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 4:41pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera:Bro that mean he’s average If you can’t play to coach instructions you are no better |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 4:42pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
BlueRayDick:😂😂😂 |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by iamoyindamola(m): 4:42pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Spy360:Spy spy ride on Nothing do you |
Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: Finally Reborn! The Red & White Army: FA CUP Champions 2020 by Spy360(m): 4:55pm On Jun 29, 2023 |
Jodera:I don't think anyone is arguing that Saliba is better than White. The question Mostob is asking is if you were to risk a player among the four considering the quality of their backups who would it be? Saka -Nelson Gabriel -Kiwior Ramsdale - Turner Saliba - White I think it would be Saliba all things being equal. Hence he is least untouchable. The most untouchable is Saka. It's like going from Porcshe to Camry. |
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