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Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by IbeOkehie: 5:04am On Jul 07, 2023 |
VisaInfoNL: Read your Constitution. Look up the Land Use Act. This one is how you know how OBLIVIOUS Nigerians are to their own country. Do yourself a favour, read up. And it's REAL. And it HAPPENS to lots and lots of people in Nigeria but for some reason very few talk about it due to shame and embarrassment. And every Nigerian should be ashamed. Cheers! 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by SangoOlukosoOba(m): 5:07am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: From the statements you made, someone collecting welfare is not doing fine. I own 6 properties in the US and know what plays! You mentioned warfare like it’s a plus? It’s because they are poor and why they are getting it. Also, you mentioned how someone crossed to Canada to get asylum. Are you talking of same oil worker doing fine in Nigeria? Do you know how much he has expended in those lost years? Stop hyping American or Canadian citizenship, that what as been fooling a lot! It guarantees NOTHING! Only JJC’s hype it. All those below poverty line in the US are American citizens too. It’s about the work you put in over a long period of time. Your last statement is what deceived many. You made the journey look so easy and happening within considerate time. You in Houston, you should know better. If it’s that easy, those factories won’t be filled up with Nigerians. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by IbeOkehie: 5:09am On Jul 07, 2023 |
SangoOlukosoOba: Again, simple question - these people made their migrant decisions in 2013 to 2015. Has Nigeria gotten better or worse since then? And if you can own 6 properties in the USA, why can't other Nigerians achieve the same? By the way, many people like the OP think that no Nigerian in the USA owns a house. And let me repeat, you can't even own any land in Nigeria, by law. That's fact I know you will dispute. Cheers! 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by SangoOlukosoOba(m): 5:14am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Traded accomplishment in Nigeria for welfare in the USA. I know the life people who qualify for welfare live. You telling me an oil worker with 500k salary and probably a house over his head in Nigeria, ended up with welfare in the US? And you claimed that he is doing fine? Let’s say the truth and stop painting mirages. |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by IbeOkehie: 5:18am On Jul 07, 2023 |
SangoOlukosoOba: Must I say everything? Try and read between the lines. I'll keep it short - people collect welfare and still work for CASH on the side. It's a very common thing and being in the USA, I'm sure you know....or should know. Hello? 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by SangoOlukosoOba(m): 5:22am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: You are right! They collect welfare because they earn peanuts 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by VisaInfoNL: 5:24am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie:oh I know about the LUA bro. I knew it could probably be where you were referring to. I thought there were other things meant. Land being invested in government, governor, revocation etc. For practical purposes, most Nigerians have legal ownership. I wouldn't want to stretch it further but I know whereof I speak. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by VisaInfoNL: 5:25am On Jul 07, 2023 |
004gist: Thanks Don't UK offer scholarships like many US and Canadian schools? |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by haybhi1(m): 5:32am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie:All right, Ibe, having peruse much of your comments, it appears to me one doesn’t have to have a legal profile to stay in US, as long as he's law abiding, he's fit to remain there, especially in some states. Thanks a lot but the issue is how does one get there? That's the koko. Knowing this way for one who has around just 2 million would be the major help you're doing. Divulge abeg, this 9ja don too choke. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by IbeOkehie: 5:52am On Jul 07, 2023 |
VisaInfoNL: Dear Sir, nobody owns land in Nigeria. Where else are we to look but the LUA, which is part of the Constitution? Practical REALITY is when a governor REVOKES the land rights of his political opponents. We ALL know that it happens. Aside that, MANY people in my family and social circle have had "their" lands taken by government in both city and rural areas. Another question- do you know anyone in Nigeria whose lands have been taken by government? Read the Land Use Act. And if that one doesn't convince you, what if crude oil or any other mineral is discovered on your land? You gonna argue that one too? The mass ignorance about land ownership in Nigeria is comparable to the mass delusion of THERE IS NO FUEL SUBSIDY. How grown people and even lawyers can't face the REALITY of the laws in a democracy is quite 🤔 Says a lot about Nigerians. Cheers! |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by 004gist: 6:17am On Jul 07, 2023 |
VisaInfoNL:they offer scholarships but most comes in % that's tuition fee discount my school offer like 2500. The scholarship u get depends on ur grade. if u get higher grade like first class and high end 2:1 u are likely to get higher % from most schools. I have seen someone with 50%. |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by IbeOkehie: 6:18am On Jul 07, 2023 |
SangoOlukosoOba: No...like every Nigerian they collect because they're greedy and smart. Same thing Nigerians do back home with illegal NEPA connections and paying bribes to get admission to University. These people collect the welfare then do side jobs that earn them another $3K per month, tax free. You were the one emphasizing the magnitude of ₦500K salary in Nigeria, that is just $700, really nothing at all. That is peanuts. A Nigerian family on welfare in California or Massachusetts can comfortably save that amount in a month and send it to Nigeria. With time depending on their attitude, they will get off welfare, especially when they've saved enough to buy a house. THE MAJOR WAY that welfare keeps people poor is that you can't own a house in the USA and be on any welfare. Never. And home ownership is the major path to wealth accumulation for the middle class in the USA because home values tend to rise....you know this of course. This is HOW those on welfare become poor in the LONG TERM. Also another thing....do you know that every legal resident of the USA over age 65 is entitled to collect a minimum of about $600 in Social Security even if you never worked a single day? Even immigrants are entitled. It's crazy and makes no sense but there you are, it's the USA, land of the free. Only 0.4% of Nigerian workers in Nigeria earn over ₦200K. That's $270 equivalent, truly ridiculous. What percent even earn ₦500K? Of course ALL the ones on Nairaland earn way above that, but the exact percentage would be interesting to know. Depressing Nigeria is a poverty stricken hell hole. Tufiakwa! 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 6:45am On Jul 07, 2023 |
musicwriter: Why should we believe this. Haba The British and French secret services traced me to Benin republic after I wrote that article- using black people!! 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by SangoOlukosoOba(m): 6:48am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Don’t twist the narrative. Whoever is still collecting welfare legally or illegally is still struggling. Do you know implication of cheating the system? Who does it is definitely in need of it and like I said, still struggling. The class of people you mentioned earlier would never do such in Nigeria because they were above being comfortable. And stop comparing or interrelating values of currency between nations. It is baseless and holds no water. The value you get is always different. I can spend $200 eating a considerable portion of seafood in Newyork, that same amount of converted to Naira, will feed 5 people till they throw up. That’s just an example, the value is always different. I will reinstate, some people have past that level of Japa, it’s the lies been sold to them that makes go astray. Japa has those it favours, people who have nothing to lose. Not those who have accomplished loads over years and having prospects of attaining heights. Why trade for a new life where you have to start illegitimately soliciting for welfare. Something you would never do back home where you claim to a shithole T 4 Likes |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 6:50am On Jul 07, 2023 |
tensazangetsu20: That's not true. I've been a remote worker for eight years and have enjoyed very good Regular income eight years running |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by VisaInfoNL: 6:51am On Jul 07, 2023 |
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Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 6:51am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Tadadobe: No one earns 3.5M pounds packing snow per month. Abeg relax joor |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by tensazangetsu20(m): 6:51am On Jul 07, 2023 |
DeeBaDan: Same here. I was a remote worker earning well and saved enough to leave but not many people had the opportunity. I know so many people still looking for roles. Just because you had it good doesn't mean others do. 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 6:54am On Jul 07, 2023 |
dejavus: I keep asking why people would have to spend 10M Naira just to travel out when they can setup businesses with that figure and fork out up to 30M annually on a 10M investment. It's the mentality, people don't want to invest in their country, but prefer to splash it on frivolous travel trips |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 6:57am On Jul 07, 2023 |
tensazangetsu20: I always have this mentality Just because you had it good doesn't mean others do. I've dumped the idea of traveling out to building businesses here. If people changed their mentality to buuidking businesses here, they'll be better off |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by tensazangetsu20(m): 6:59am On Jul 07, 2023 |
DeeBaDan: Goodluck with your Nigerian business. Not everyone is suited to do business. Even in super wealthy capitalist countries, not everyone does business. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by VisaInfoNL: 6:59am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Relax bro, I taught people LUA and others in uni at some point. The revocation has Procedures and done for public good, provides for compensation as well under chapter 4 of the constitution. It's done for political vendetta at times here because we are lawless. example is Wike of Rivers I know whereof I speak. Don't wanna reveal too much. |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 7:00am On Jul 07, 2023 |
SaintUlot: To achieve all this in just two years is not the standard for judging the society. You better be careful. People won't tell you what exactly they do to make money but would want to stimulate your appetite to become a thief. If everyone could make this within this timeframe in UK, the whole world would be in UK by now. The goal is consistent profitability and this can be built anywhere in the world 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 7:03am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Those guys must be lucky. I've had both uncle's and acquaintances who have worked in Mobil to Shell,Escarvos drilling fields and they didn't earn a fraction of this figure |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 7:04am On Jul 07, 2023 |
tensazangetsu20: Then one lives with very high risk. One sickness and everything saved blows up. Not me. |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by IbeOkehie: 7:15am On Jul 07, 2023 |
SangoOlukosoOba: Oga currency matters. It's easy for anyone to save $250 in the USA, and that small amount is greater than the monthly earnings of 99.5% of Nigerian workers. That is the EXACTLY the point. You can belittle it all you want, it's impressive. The earnings differential is an epic chasm, it's actually crazy, which is why so many people earning superlatively high ₦500K per month are leaving Nigeria. Consultant physicians, oil & gas engineers, successful traders and artisans, local politicians....they're the level of people you're talking about and they're migrating in droves. The USA is also becoming a favored RETIREMENT destination for this class of people too. They know SOMETHING, and it might not even be about money. And you kept mentioning their ACHIEVEMENTS....what exactly has anyone achieved in Nigeria? So much achievement and there's 30% unemployment and open defecation is the norm. A country that can't refine petrol or feed itself. It's clear their achievements aren't doing much for Nigeria so they might as well try a place that will better utilize their talents. Nigeria! Good Luck! 3 Likes |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by IbeOkehie: 7:26am On Jul 07, 2023 |
DeeBaDan: What is this nonsense I keep reading about 10 million naira? That's NOT a big amount of money, it's actually too small to tip the probabilities of success in Nigeria. I keep asking questions but no one answers....now, have you ever run a business in Nigeria? (1) If making a 300% return is so easy in Nigeria, every Fortune 500 company would be in Nigeria in the same way they're in China. (2) If making such profits was a decent probability, the unemployment rate in Nigeria wouldn't be over 30%. This isn't too hard to figure out. Nigeria is a HELLISH place for business. That's why the economy is stagnating and has been that way for a a decade and arguably longer. Sheeesh! DeeBaDan: I saw the paychecks with my own eyes, shown to me by a manager in the industry. Directional drillers and subsea specialists were earning between $500 and $1,500 per day at that time, around 2010, 2011. These guys practically lived on the rigs for weeks or months at a time and I think ALL their time there counted as working days. The funny thing is 2 of those guys with those huge paychecks ended up migrating from Nigeria to the USA and Canada. Even me I was surprised at the time but the last 10 years in Nigeria shows they had foresight. I keep asking....is Nigeria better or worse than 10 years ago? Simple. No big debate about what is sooooo obvious. Cheers! 1 Like |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by tensazangetsu20(m): 7:30am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: 10 years is far. You can't even compare Nigeria of 2020 to 2023. I can't even imagine how bloody things will be by 2030 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by musicwriter(m): 7:42am On Jul 07, 2023 |
DeeBaDan: That has been my personal experience and I probably would've find it hard to believe too if someone said so. They even tried to lure me to commit crime!! But see, the way nature works is that if you seek out certain information, sometimes you'll get much more than you bargained. Through that experience, I was actually opened to a complete new world that I never thought of about the control machines that continue to enslave us today. That experience thought me that we are controlled at all levels in Africa. I actually wrote about the experience on my blog, so if you're really interested, go to www.africason.com and read the article that says "how the CIA and MI16 lure innocent people to commit terrorism" But as Bob Marley once said in an interview "I am not telling you to believe. I am telling you to know" 2 Likes |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by kay29000(m): 7:53am On Jul 07, 2023 |
adecz: Lol |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by Treadway: 8:01am On Jul 07, 2023 |
tensazangetsu20:simple! You don't see me saying you hate Nigeria or doing business do you? I don't understand how you jumped to that conclusion earlier. If with the lucid clarity in all my posts so far, na the conclusion wey you fit reach be that, then you could be a bit more open-minded, certainly. One fella made the same comment as this earlier in the thread, in his own words. He said,'dem think say everybody na im get interest for business'. It is clear, true and not a position that is up for debate. When I say I'm not interested in the kin japa that my peers are doing, it is cos me sef I'm not cut out for so called starting all over at the bottom. I have given the few years i can to build myself up. I'm not interested in chasing shadows, upskilling, starting small all that shit, moreso in the white man's land, when I know I don't even like them. So you expect me, who has always had a goal to be 'the man', and not just another man that works for 'the man' to leave everything I have built to go and start over again because others are doing it. Right from a youngster, I have always viewed money diff. I view a job as something to get me money, so I can use that money to do what I really want. I no be doctor, I no be tech bro, and I certainly am not about to go on another wild goose chase, especially not after I was daring (my friends said I was crazy) enough to voluntarily resign at 33 to face my life goals. Well, my standard of life hasn't dropped after that even with the economic turmoil in Nigeria, and I'm moving one step at a time, and I feel very very fulfilled. Our stories are different, so our 'one step's at a time' sef different. Again, just as you opine that not all are interested or can do business, UNDERSTAND that not all are interested in starting all over again NEEDLESSLY esp at the lower rung of the ladder simply because pound is 1k or dollar is 700. That is infantile thinking. Ps: I wrote this cos I have known you here for a while, and in the light of which I know you, which is as someone very cerebral and enlightened, that your earlier post was a bit of a letdown.. if it was any Tom, dick or Harry, I no go even send. Cheers |
Re: Nigerians In The UK Are Really Suffering by DeeBaDan: 8:08am On Jul 07, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: One doesn't need Harvard macro economics statistics to run business successfully in Nigeria. I'm a business developer and my annual projections is way higher than your stats ( Note this isn't on paper, I've actually started ). Again, it's about the mindset 1 Like |
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