Audacity of Equality. Lol.

Audacity that makes you hustle to another person’s country and say ‘how much does the average Brit contribute’.

Audacity that foreigners dare not claim in your own country and even you dare not claim in states that are not of your ‘origin’, often on pain of death.

The tone-deafness and arrogance in holding others to standards we don’t hold ourselves to is so astonishing, honestly.

Good morning,

Please anyone living in Buckinghamshire here ?

I’m looking for a commutable city to Aylesbury that’s not so expensive and nice place to live.

Suggestions will be highly appreciated

Thanks

koonbey:


Ultimately it’s not a question of morality but of politics, same as Nigerian, American and all other countries’ policies on immigrants. The single issue I’ve had throughout this discussion is people trying to make it seem as if the UK is unique in that aspect and thus ‘unfair’.

Na so.

No such thing as morality in politics. We can complain all we like - we have that right - about such changes, but the government simply says it is acting in the itnerests of the people. The government can move the goalposts on IHS and ILR as it pleases to please its own voting constituency - that is beyond our control and we either take it or lump it.

Another thing to bear in mind is that when such policies actually start to affect the public, action will most likely be taken. For those wey remember, back in 2020 during the pandemic, the UK government was virtually forced to remove IHS for health and care workers when it became clear that the country needed foreign healthcare workers, so public opinion swung strongly against the unfairness of asking people working in helathcare to pay twice for the very same healthcare they were providing, and it was removed. Up till then no-one cared. JCWI dey hala, dey release reports on how harsh life is for immigrants and how they are driven into poverty to afford visa fees. Silence.

Look at Germany. That's another country that is dying for skilled immigration, Germany dey jealous France and UK wey be colonial masters in those days, so they have so many places to draw upon for labour. The problem na language. Now, because it is getting desperate, politicians are now suggesting that it should start accepting English speakers. You cant hire all the Indian IT chaps you need otherwise. These are one or two voices, starting small small, but na so change dey take come.

By all means, those who disagree with the increase or the IHS itself or the goalpost-shifting should feel free to protest, write petitions, demonstrate, do whatever. At least we live in a relatively free country as opposed to where we left. But las las, na political expediency that will have the final say, and what it has to say at this point in time is unfortunately not what we want to hear, but such is the reality of life.

hustla:



They're all mad abeg

I need Yankee or AU visa

Or Germany and Netherlands, the trick to Netherlands is to apply for jobs directly from the UK.

hustla:



They're all mad abeg

I need Yankee or AU visa

You don vex kpatakpata, am adding your name to the list of noise makers here lol

MichaelUde:


Na so.

No such thing as morality in politics. We can complain all we like - we have that right - about such changes, but the government simply says it is acting in the itnerests of the people. The government can move the goalposts on IHS and ILR as it pleases to please its own voting constituency - that is beyond our control and we either take it or lump it.

Another thing to bear in mind is that when such policies actually start to affect the public, action will most likely be taken. For those wey remember, back in 2020 during the pandemic, the UK government was virtually forced to remove IHS for health and care workers when it became clear that the country needed foreign healthcare workers, so public opinion swung strongly against the unfairness of asking people working in helathcare to pay twice for the very same healthcare they were providing, and it was removed. Boris Johnson was effectively forced to remove it. Up till then no-one cared. JCWI dey hala, dey release reports on how harsh life is for immigrants and how they are driven into poverty to afford visa fees. Silence.

Look at Germany. That's another country that is dying for skilled immigration, Germany dey jealous France and UK wey be colonial masters in those days, so they have so many places to draw upon for labour. The problem na language. Now, because it is getting desperate, politicians are now suggesting that it should start accepting English speakers. You cant hire all the Indian IT chaps you need otherwise. These are one or two voices, starting small small, but na so change dey take come.

By all means, those who disagree with the increase or the IHS itself or the goalpost-shifting should feel free to protest, write petitions, demonstrate, do whatever. At least we live in a relatively free country as opposed to where we left. But las las, na political expediency that will have the final say, and what it has to say at this point in time is unfortunately not what we want to hear, but such is the reality of life.

The reality is with over 1 million jobs vacancies currently, it will be interesting to see how the current policy will stand the test of time.

Flip- flop policies is already a trademark

MichaelUde:


By all means, those who disagree with the increase or the IHS itself or the goalpost-shifting should feel free to protest, write petitions, demonstrate, do whatever. At least we live in a relatively free country as opposed to where we left. But las las, na political expediency that will have the final say, and what it has to say at this point in time is unfortunately not what we want to hear, but such is the reality of life.

I like your balanced and very critical analysis. You also hit all the points we have been trying to make. I especially like the point of you acknowledging freedom of expression, especially as it affects us directly as immigrants unlike those asking us to be quiet or leave if we don’t like it.

Goke7:


You don vex kpatakpata, am adding your name to the list of noise makers here lol

I Don keep quiet o

kwakudtraveller:

Or Germany and Netherlands, the trick to Netherlands is to apply for jobs directly from the UK.

Hmmm Key thing is salary. Na money man dey follow. All these argument about UK and ihs increment isn't even what's annoying me, it's the salaries

If their jobs paid high salaries, I'd just say We die here but mba

£35K / £45K salary in UK
$130K in Yankee
$150K in Australia

hustla:



Hmmm Key thing is salary. Na money man dey follow. All these argument about UK and ihs increment isn't even what's annoying me, it's the salaries

If their jobs paid high salaries, I'd just say We die here but mba

£35K / £45K salary in UK
$130K in Yankee
$150K in Australia

My brother, I understand o, and even if you earn more, tax go still chop plenty which is my current reality. I hear say strong men dey live on outside ir35 jobs and are making bank. Na there my eyes dey now.

kwakudtraveller:

Or Germany and Netherlands, the trick to Netherlands is to apply for jobs directly from the UK.

Good idea. And I heard The Netherlands has a tax rebate scheme for skilled migrants where they pay less tax for a few years before moving to the normal tax band.

kwakudtraveller:

My brother, I understand o, and even if you earn more, tax go still chop plenty which is my current reality. I hear say strong men dey live on outside ir35 jobs and are making bank. Na there my eyes dey now.

Yeah they do.. But many folks are seeking sponsorship etc

May not be feasible unless dependent has sponsorship

Solumtoya:
@ ProfJYK

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I seem to have been upgraded or it's general: My referrals now get 8,000 points while I get 6,000 so feel free to sign up, you might just get a free flight soon:

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Hi Elders, I saw this post and decided to try my luck, please how do I use my British Airways/Avios points? I have 342 / 956 points from the mobile app. Every time I click on Book Travel or Hotels link, it doesn't work. Same thing on the website? Also can I use the points (956) for return flight to Naija? Thank you

Any idea if this is allowed for movement within a few kilometres? It's an E scooter and I intend to use it for a little few moving around.

koonbey:
Audacity of Equality. Lol.

Audacity that makes you hustle to another person’s country and say ‘how much does the average Brit contribute’.

Audacity that foreigners dare not claim in your own country and even you dare not claim in states that are not of your ‘origin’, often on pain of death.

The tone-deafness and arrogance in holding others to standards we don’t hold ourselves to is so astonishing, honestly.

Again, you got it wrong.
We are NOT holding the British/British Govt to NIGERIAN Standards.

We are holding the British Government to much publicised BRITISH STandards.

I think this post of yours summarises why you got it spectacularly wrong in this debate.

It is not us who laid down the standards to the Brits. We are/were not the ones who enacted the Equality Act 2010. It is the BRITISH.
If you can’t see that these policies make the British (Government) look like (the) hypocrites (that they possibly are) then I’m sorry. There is absolutely zero point debating this with you.

Isn’t it interesting that even the best debater on this issue (my opinion) a certain @Zahra29 could not deny the unfairness of double taxation?

RalphJean:



Again, you got it wrong.
We are NOT holding the British/British Govt to NIGERIAN Standards.

We are holding the British Government to much publicised BRITISH STandards.

I think this post of yours summarises why you got it spectacularly wrong in this debate.

It is not us who laid down the standards to the Brits. We are/were not the ones who enacted the Equality Act 2010. It is the BRITISH.
If you can’t see that these policies make the British (Government) look like (the) hypocrites (that they possibly are) then I’m sorry. There is absolutely zero point debating this with you.

Just one question, please: How does this policy violate the Equality Act, 2010?

koonbey:


Just one question, please: How does this policy violate the Equality Act, 2010?

So long as you want to justify British Policies, using NIGERIAN standards, you will never get it right in this debate.

For you to suggest that Legal and law abiding Nigerian Immigrants in the UK should not be treated as equals and Infact should not have ‘audacity of equality’ proves how you want to judge the British society using (your) Nigerian standards.

RalphJean:


So long as you want to justify British Policies, using NIGERIAN standards, you will never get it right in this debate.

For you to suggest that Legal and law abiding Nigerian Immigrants in the UK should not be treated as equals and Infact should not have ‘audacity of equality’ proves how you want to judge the British society using (your) Nigerian standards.

I asked just one very simple question based on what you said, boss man.

For clarity, here it is again: How does this policy violate the Equality Act, 2010?

Can you answer it or will you continue with this rigmarole of emotional and irrelevant arguments?

koonbey:
Audacity of Equality. Lol.
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Audacity that makes you hustle to another person’s country and say ‘how much does the average Brit contribute’.

Audacity that foreigners dare not claim in your own country and even you dare not claim in states that are not of your ‘origin’, often on pain of death.

The tone-deafness and arrogance in holding others to standards we don’t hold ourselves to is so astonishing, honestly.

That you, Koonbey (as an individual) do not hold those standards does not in any way mean we (all) do not hold those standards. You should rather use ‘I’ instead of ‘we’ in your last sentence.

kwakudtraveller:

My brother, I understand o, and even if you earn more, tax go still chop plenty which is my current reality. I hear say strong men dey live on outside ir35 jobs and are making bank. Na there my eyes dey now.

We plenty wey dey eye that outside ir35

Buckle up guys.

There's a storm coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-07-reed-jobs-report-falling-vacancies-raises-recession-risk/?srnd=premium-uk

nihilistjnr:
Buckle up guys.

There's a storm coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-07-reed-jobs-report-falling-vacancies-raises-recession-risk/?srnd=premium-uk

All these dudes doing 3 jobs should let people breathe too

RalphJean:



That you, Koonbey (as an individual) do not hold those standards does not in any way mean we (all) do not hold those standards. You should rather use ‘I’ instead of ‘we’ in your last sentence.

U dint answer his question still

I m not sure how to reply this. You seem a bit mixed up. Are you OK? You sound stressed

Oggg:

Please let us face our town-hall. Why have you not required equality from townhall where some tribes feel they are superior to the next? You have not stood on the side of equality for that one ooo for the taxes you previously paid to townhall is here you are shouting. Like?
Let one Ghanaian come to Nigeria and make this statement and your blood will boil.
Easy thing to stand on the saint-ish side on a faceless blog. You have the audacity of equality?? Really? Please when next you land at Heathrow go and join the queue of those with British passports or Canadian and USA passports. When you get to the top of the queue tell them you have equality because you pay taxes and should be allowed to use the E-gate because of your taxes. You are very bold.
As long as you can’t do that, go find seat siddon somewhere abeg and allow the government do what they feel is best for their country. If you can’t take the heat you simply get out of the kitchen! Noise noise noise.

deept:


So students are not allowed to visit the UK? She just has to prove she is a student and she is coming back to continue her studies. Her family in the UK Is sponsoring her and they are in correct status and not depending on the government for anything. I am assuming in this new application her parents who I presume is in Nigeria will write a supporting letter telling them she will come back to Nigeria to continue her application.
Plus someone close to home same situation, brother and sister in the UK, I am her family too in the UK, is a student was refused initially, same reason not sure she is a student. Sister reapplied for her immediately countering the HOs reason for denial, girl is in the UK as we speak. Only difference in case is the 500k this one had. The one I am talking about had significantly less but the account was active and inflow and outflow was typical of what a Nigerian student will have.

Hi Candidiva, you could just submit your own statement of account and state that ok are sponsoring our sister's trip. My first UK visa, I used my father's statement of account. I was in bed school and in my early twenties and I was granted the visa.

HTH.

dustydee:

Good idea. And I heard The Netherlands has a tax rebate scheme for skilled migrants where they pay less tax for a few years before moving to the normal tax band.

The Netherlands is a decent country for immigrants, easy life, decent pay and a lot of English speakers.

missjekyll:
The Public School System plays a huge role in perpetuating inequality in the UK.Labour will find the money by taxing the heck out of the rich. Oh and clawing back our PPE money among other things.

The Public Schools can claim back whatever they like, it ll still be a net profit for the government. I 100% welcome this tax and urge parents to prepare for it.

While your labour is dealing with public schools, can they also devise a means to stop people from buying/renting houses in posh neighbourhood so they can be in ‘catchment’ for high performing comprehensive schools and also stop rich parents from tutoring their kids from from age 5 for 11plus exams leaving kids from poor backgrounds to slum it out in schools rated as inadequate. Those are the real actions that perpetuate inequality in the society.

Personally I don’t give a toss who’s in power be it the tories or labours or the SNP for we Scots. They are all the same and their only agenda is to screw me over.

I don start petition on top the matter 🤭
peerielass I hope to see your signature on it ☺️

https://chng.it/yWHfW2HzGk

[quote author=Schoolhike

An important difference to consider is that immigrants, particularly those on certain visa categories, are often not entitled to public funds such as unemployment benefits, housing assistance, and certain tax credits, despite contributing to these services through their taxes. This restriction could potentially leave them in a financially precarious situation in the event of sudden job loss or other unforeseen circumstances. (My personal situation when I and some other British were made redundant in my previous company, it was a very difficult situation for me if not for God and the over 1k tax refund I got, while a typical British would quickly request for benefit)

Furthermore, immigrants from are required to pay IHS. This is an additional cost that UK-born residents do not incur, and which further reduces the disposable income of the immigrant in our example.

Although I do believe that all this arguments may not go beyond this thread but we need to appreciate immigrants.

But why would a recent immigrant expect to receive the same benefits and rights as a citizen who's lived in the UK and paid taxes for many years and their parents also (in many cases). It's like expecting the British govt to expend the same energy rescuing a UK resident captured or in trouble in another country, when they can just about rescue their own citizens. When you have sworn allegiance to the King in a citizenship ceremony, then sure you should expect the exact same treatment as other citizens.

Would you be happy if immigrants from Ghana for example arrived nIgeria and received the same rights and benefits as yourself, a citizen who has lived in and contributed to the country in many ways?

The same thing would happen to a British citizen who emigrated to Australia - they would have to pay their IHS equivalent and wouldn't have access to the same benefits as Australians until they naturalise.

kwakudtraveller:
I don start petition on top the matter 🤭
peerielass I hope to see your signature on it ☺️

https://chng.it/yWHfW2HzGk

Now you are talking! I will sign it 👍

wonlasewonimi:


All these dudes doing 3 jobs should let people breathe too

The Reeds guy is just raising an unnecessary alarm. It’s a norm during summer months, make he no go let people dey fear o.

Peerielass:


Now you are talking! I will sign it 👍

😁😁😁