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Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Cjayboy: 10:26am On Jul 26, 2023 |
emmy512: Which cost? the cost is of no effect,as what they loot on daily basis outweighs our electoral budget. The interest and sanctity cum unity is of great importance even as the global communities keep watching on our staggering judiciary. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Amumaigwe: 10:31am On Jul 26, 2023 |
emmy512: INEC ought to know the cost implication of their utter stupidity. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Cjayboy: 10:38am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Pablo Excobaaaaaaaa.. NARCOTIC JANGAWEE |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Bennycollins: 10:39am On Jul 26, 2023 |
seunmsg:FYI a US court released document in 2022 to the effect that your paymaster was peddling white heroin along with others. And you are here wanting us to reference some 2003 concocted documents? |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by GeneralDae: 10:40am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bennycollins:In a civil forfeiture, the focus is not to prove your guilt or innocence. Rather the focus is to prove that your property should be ceased by the Government. Your property was linked to illegal money one way or the other and therefore should be ceased whether you were guilty of the illegality or not. A criminal forfeiture is punishment for a crime which you were convicted of. In that case, you are the focus and you are named as the defendant in the final case, not your account or property ceased. Tinubu claimed he received money from a friend (family friend to his wife known as Akande). The court didn't go the extra mile to determine if he was part of the drug dealers, since the drug dealers (Akande's two younger brothers) who were earlier prosecuted did not mention his name. He got involved in the case because they traced every penny from the Akande brothers and traced funds to Tinubu's account as well. Tinubu was in Nigeria then and admitted he did receive 8 thousand dollars as gift from senior Akande which he used to buy a car in 1989. Account was frozen and in the process of getting back his account, Tinubu forfeited money according to U.S law on such forfeitures. The court did not go ahead to establish that Tinubu himself was part of the Akande drug ring in America or that he just received gifts from them, hence the sentence was just against the account to cease the property according to U.S law. They ceased just 460 thousand dollars and returned back 1.2 million dollars to him. This was probably a better deal for Tinubu than fighting his case with the Powerful U.S Government to the latter in order to get back all his cash. He may have ended up losing everything with the case still inconclusive for years. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by nnewsnjobs: 10:41am On Jul 26, 2023 |
How many final address are they having? |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by GeneralDae: 10:46am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bennycollins:That document is not new. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Sheggy13(m): 10:52am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Mosba: Both Atiku and Obi knows Tinubu won the election squarely but the game plan is they're trying to get Tinubu disqualified and ineligible through this forfeiture case, dual citizenship, Shettima double nomination or degree certificate, hoping that one of these stick. The know they can't prove anything on the ballots that they got more popular votes than Tinubu. In the event that this happens, the rerun would be between the first and second runner-ups who are Atiku and Obi respectively. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Bennycollins: 10:56am On Jul 26, 2023 |
GeneralDae:By accepting on his behalf whether truly or not that he received monetary gifts from criminals, you make the case worse for Tinubu my dear brother. Don't ever say that in any court if they happen to use you.😀 Read up on ''guilty by association" and also "the vicarious law of liability" . |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Bennycollins: 11:00am On Jul 26, 2023 |
GeneralDae:But 2022 is newer than 2003. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by GeneralDae: 11:01am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bennycollins:The document itself is from 1993. 1 Like |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by GeneralDae: 11:03am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bennycollins:Well that's how civil forfeitures work in the U.S. You are not guilty of the crime but you received money linked to the crime. That money is taken by Government without a criminal charge filed against you. There are millions of cases like that in the U.S and it's common. 3 Likes |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by ismodiwa(m): 11:06am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Longinyamapucci: We Muslims aren't useless you know, if we were, we wouldn't have won Muslim Muslim. So please tell me who is now useless? 1 Like |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by emmy512: 11:48am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Amumaigwe:True. Now if they could so glaringly do what they did in the open and nothing happened when even tinubu had no hands then, It's not possible to do a free and fair rerun if at all a rerun happens. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by emmy512: 11:50am On Jul 26, 2023 |
Cjayboy:A rerun will further create a divide. Now he's in power he'll surely not want to loose it. If the rerun happens it'll still be same inec, same voters, and same issues. Reason we should strengthen institutions. If inec was devoid of external manipulations we'll all trust them but not now. Even if tinubu legitly wins a rerun people would still come out to say he cheated |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by garfield1: 12:06pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bobloco: How many did obi score in those states |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by waveman2: 12:09pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
And who told you obi actually got 6.1m votes? why is tinubu camp afraid for obi to be included in the rerun.Dont always believe what u are told learn to think deep.its a conspiracy theory which only the knowledgeable will understand.Go and ask people in the inner circle of tinubu they know baba did not win. GeneralDae: |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by garfield1: 12:11pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bennycollins: But you guys are harping on a 1993 case.the 2003 document overtakes that case 1 Like |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by garfield1: 12:13pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bennycollins: But obi is depending on something in 1993 and he hasn't brought something new |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by garfield1: 12:14pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bennycollins: Not true sir.after 2003,no court or us agency has released anything |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by ezegenigbonine: 12:35pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
emmy512: Now I understand apologies |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Jeyun: 12:36pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
ismodiwa:it sacarms I think he meant to say Yoruba Muslims and not Muslims in general |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by eeetuk(m): 1:09pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
"He maintained that Tinubu having personally admitted and as also confirmed by his witness that he forfeited $460,000 to the American government over the offence of narcotics trafficking and money laundering has no basis to contest for Nigeria’s Presidency." Atiku Abubakar problem now is he is not staying on a winning message--hurting his chances for runoff at the election tribunal. Atiku Abubakar can win a runoff election with Bola Tinubu if he stays on one message. The message i want Atiku to stay is Bola Tinubu got 19% in the federal capital, Abuja instead of 25% required in the constitution. He should hammer Bola Tinubu failure to meet the constitutional requirement -- to get the ears of election tribunal judges. Fine of $460,000 over drug issues has been ligated during the election and voters did not buy it. So, my advice to Atiku, leave drug issue alone, and talk about constitutional requirement. The election tribunal is going to rule on whether any candidate on February 25, 2023 meets the constitutional requirement of February 25, 2023 presidential election or not. in my humble opinion no candidate meets the constitutional threshold---meaning no candidate was duly elected. Right now, i am betting on runoff election between the two top votes getters---Bola vs Atiku. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by AskNgige2: 1:49pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
seunaj: It doesn't matter who who replace who.. anything to remove Tinibu from there is welcomed |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Bobloco: 2:13pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
garfield1: Out of those States I mentioned, obi won three convincingly, Atiku won the rest. So where did Tinubu win |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by GeneralDae: 2:22pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bobloco:Tinubu also won in 12 states. Where he didn't win, he came 2nd. He never came 3rd anywhere. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by stacyadams: 2:31pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bobloco: He won sambiza ![]() |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by garfield1: 2:41pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
Bobloco: Tinubu had more votes overall in those states than atiku and obi.it is not about winning but margins |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by 7lives: 2:46pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
theophorus: Atiku is still in shock, I don't think he will ever recover from the shock. Tinubu really showed him shege. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by InvertedHammer: 3:27pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
/ We play too much in this country. There is no imposition of fine without a breach of law. There are many underhand deals (including forfeiture or fines without prison terms) in US. In some cases, some criminals go under Federal Protection programmes or snitch to walk free. But a crime must have been committed first. The fact that a sitting President is directly or indirectly connected to narcotics in US is in itself a valid reason for disqualification. But Nigerians are quick to condone evil for pecuniary reasons until the monster turns around to haunt them. / |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by dragunov: 6:16pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
seunmsg: Kadoso Mutairu aka seunmsg just likes to 😩😩😩😩 anytime Emile O'Corn is mentioned. |
Re: Atiku Insists That The Declaration Of Tinubu As President Illegal by Bennycollins: 6:17pm On Jul 26, 2023 |
garfield1:Don't confuse yourself. A case happened in 1993 and was well recorded. Then a purported document released in 2003 said there was no such case at any point in time which you people are standing on. Then in 2022 the court papers were published. How you guys want us to accept 2003 'report' as the fact when the publication from the US court on the matter is in public domain is what beats me. Let us even assume that the 2003 report by the FBI or what agency was it, was authentic, don't you know about emerging facts or fresh evidence? It can set a man free from jail or convict a previously discharged and acquitted person. |
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