emmy512:
Let tinubu breathe

Do this people actually think the courts will grant them a rerun?
That's another cost that I'm sure is not on inecs budget

Which cost? the cost is of no effect,as what they loot on daily basis outweighs our electoral budget.


The interest and sanctity cum unity is of great importance even as the global communities keep watching on our staggering judiciary.

emmy512:
Let tinubu breathe

Do this people actually think the courts will grant them a rerun?
That's another cost that I'm sure is not on inecs budget

INEC ought to know the cost implication of their utter stupidity.

Pablo Excobaaaaaaaa..

NARCOTIC JANGAWEE

seunmsg:


Lol. It is what it is. Provide evidence of the trial of Tinubu in any court. Provide evidence of the indictment or criminal conviction.

Read about non-conviction forfeiture and stop embarrassing yourself. If you violate traffic offense and get fined by VIO or FRSC, it is a non-conviction fine because you were not convicted of any criminal offense. You won’t lose your right to vote or be voted for simply because you paid a fine to FRSC. Paying a fine or forfeiture doesn’t have to be from a criminal conviction.

Below is the official position of the US government on the case. The same US government that gave the forfeiture order. Show it to your children and beg them to explain the implication to you. I’m sure they can read and comprehend better than you.

FYI a US court released document in 2022 to the effect that your paymaster was peddling white heroin along with others. And you are here wanting us to reference some 2003 concocted documents?

Bennycollins:
Read what you wrote up there again, or let your children read it for you and see if that makes any sense. No indictment, no charge, no trial and someone can just be called up and asked to forfeit his asset? It doesn't happen in a banana republic.

In a civil forfeiture, the focus is not to prove your guilt or innocence. Rather the focus is to prove that your property should be ceased by the Government. Your property was linked to illegal money one way or the other and therefore should be ceased whether you were guilty of the illegality or not.

A criminal forfeiture is punishment for a crime which you were convicted of. In that case, you are the focus and you are named as the defendant in the final case, not your account or property ceased.

Tinubu claimed he received money from a friend (family friend to his wife known as Akande). The court didn't go the extra mile to determine if he was part of the drug dealers, since the drug dealers (Akande's two younger brothers) who were earlier prosecuted did not mention his name. He got involved in the case because they traced every penny from the Akande brothers and traced funds to Tinubu's account as well. Tinubu was in Nigeria then and admitted he did receive 8 thousand dollars as gift from senior Akande which he used to buy a car in 1989. Account was frozen and in the process of getting back his account, Tinubu forfeited money according to U.S law on such forfeitures.

The court did not go ahead to establish that Tinubu himself was part of the Akande drug ring in America or that he just received gifts from them, hence the sentence was just against the account to cease the property according to U.S law. They ceased just 460 thousand dollars and returned back 1.2 million dollars to him. This was probably a better deal for Tinubu than fighting his case with the Powerful U.S Government to the latter in order to get back all his cash. He may have ended up losing everything with the case still inconclusive for years.

How many final address are they having?

Bennycollins:
FYI a US court released document in 2022 to the effect that your paymaster was peddling white heroin along with others. And you are here wanting us to reference some 2003 concocted documents?

That document is not new.

Mosba:


What of Atiku that was declared second winner? You think any court exist anywhere in the world that can remove Tinubu and jumped over Atiku to declare Obi the president? Sorry to break it to you, Obi's chance is non-existence as far as 2023 presidential position is concern but Atiku can have a rerun that may eventually favour him because even if Abuja 25% is a must, Tinubu and Atiku will be the only candidates who could be lined up for rerun.

Both Atiku and Obi knows Tinubu won the election squarely but the game plan is they're trying to get Tinubu disqualified and ineligible through this forfeiture case, dual citizenship, Shettima double nomination or degree certificate, hoping that one of these stick. The know they can't prove anything on the ballots that they got more popular votes than Tinubu. In the event that this happens, the rerun would be between the first and second runner-ups who are Atiku and Obi respectively.

GeneralDae:

In a civil forfeiture, the focus is not to prove your guilt or innocence. Rather the focus is to prove that your property should be ceased by the Government. Your property was linked to illegal money one way or the other and therefore should be ceased whether you were guilty of the illegality or not.

A criminal forfeiture is punishment for a crime which you were convicted of. In that case, you are the focus and you are named as the defendant in the final case, not your account or property ceased.

Tinubu claimed he received money from a friend (family friend to his wife known as Akande). The court didn't go the extra mile to determine if he was part of the drug dealers, since the drug dealers (Akande's two younger brothers) who were earlier prosecuted did not mention his name. He got involved in the case because they traced every penny from the Akande brothers and traced funds to Tinubu's account as well. Tinubu was in Nigeria then and admitted he did receive 8 thousand dollars as gift from senior Akande which he used to buy a car in 1989. Account was frozen and in the process of getting back his account, Tinubu forfeited money according to U.S law on such forfeitures.

The court did not go ahead to establish that Tinubu himself was part of the Akande drug ring in America or that he just received gifts from them, hence the sentence was just against the account to cease the property according to U.S law. They ceased just 460 thousand dollars and returned back 1.2 million dollars to him. This was probably a better deal for Tinubu than fighting his case with the Powerful U.S Government to the latter in order to get back all his cash. He may have ended up losing everything with the case still inconclusive for years.

By accepting on his behalf whether truly or not that he received monetary gifts from criminals, you make the case worse for Tinubu my dear brother. Don't ever say that in any court if they happen to use you.😀 Read up on ''guilty by association" and also "the vicarious law of liability" .

GeneralDae:

That document is not new.

But 2022 is newer than 2003.

Bennycollins:

But 2022 is newer than 2003.

The document itself is from 1993.

Bennycollins:
By accepting on his behalf whether truly or not that he received monetary gifts from criminals, you make the case worse for Tinubu my dear brother. Don't ever say that in any court if they happen to use you.😀 Read up on ''guilty by association" and also "the vicarious law of liability" .

Well that's how civil forfeitures work in the U.S. You are not guilty of the crime but you received money linked to the crime. That money is taken by Government without a criminal charge filed against you. There are millions of cases like that in the U.S and it's common.

Longinyamapucci:
Atiku sit down, the only man that useless Muslims are scared of is Obi.

Without him Nigeria will get to the point of Yemen soon.

We Muslims aren't useless you know, if we were, we wouldn't have won Muslim Muslim.

So please tell me who is now useless?

Amumaigwe:


INEC ought to know the cost implication of their utter stupidity.

True.

Now if they could so glaringly do what they did in the open and nothing happened when even tinubu had no hands then,

It's not possible to do a free and fair rerun if at all a rerun happens.

Cjayboy:


Which cost? the cost is of no effect,as what they loot on daily basis outweighs our electoral budget.


The interest and sanctity cum unity is of great importance even as the global communities keep watching on our staggering judiciary.

A rerun will further create a divide.

Now he's in power he'll surely not want to loose it.

If the rerun happens it'll still be same inec, same voters, and same issues.

Reason we should strengthen institutions.

If inec was devoid of external manipulations we'll all trust them but not now.

Even if tinubu legitly wins a rerun people would still come out to say he cheated

Bobloco:


Where did he get the popular votes from

Is it Lagos, Abuja, Rivers, Kaduna, Kano, kastina, Osun, etc

How many did obi score in those states

And who told you obi actually got 6.1m votes? why is tinubu camp afraid for obi to be included in the rerun.Dont always believe what u are told learn to think deep.its a conspiracy theory which only the knowledgeable will understand.Go and ask people in the inner circle of tinubu they know baba did not win.

GeneralDae:

But Atiku beat Obi with about 800,000 votes. Si how can Obi be a bigger threat to Tinubu?

Bennycollins:
I laugh at you seriously. You are pasting a 2003 purported document , obviously you are not up to date on the matter in focus. Even the APC hierarchy and their counsel are sweating on how to defend the obvious fact Tinubu forfeited ( not fined as you put) so much money in hard currency. You are here blabbing, who do you think you are talking to. It is only ignorant folks you can intimidate, brother.

But you guys are harping on a 1993 case.the 2003 document overtakes that case

Bennycollins:

But 2022 is newer than 2003.

But obi is depending on something in 1993 and he hasn't brought something new

Bennycollins:
FYI a US court released document in 2022 to the effect that your paymaster was peddling white heroin along with others. And you are here wanting us to reference some 2003 concocted documents?

Not true sir.after 2003,no court or us agency has released anything

emmy512:

Lol again.

I'm not a tinubu supporter nor an obi supporter or whatever politician.

I believe more in institutions than persons.

This country will not do a rerun.
Is all I'm saying talkless when tinubu himself is in power with the failed institutions we have.

And stop insulting people with opposite views NIGERIAN

Now I understand apologies

ismodiwa:


We Muslims aren't useless you know, if we were, we wouldn't have won Muslim Muslim.

So please tell me who is now useless?

it sacarms I think he meant to say Yoruba Muslims and not Muslims in general

"He maintained that Tinubu having personally admitted and as also confirmed by his witness that he forfeited $460,000 to the American government over the offence of narcotics trafficking and money laundering has no basis to contest for Nigeria’s Presidency."

Atiku Abubakar problem now is he is not staying on a winning message--hurting his chances for runoff at the election tribunal.
Atiku Abubakar can win a runoff election with Bola Tinubu if he stays on one message. The message i want Atiku to stay is Bola Tinubu got 19% in the federal capital, Abuja instead of 25% required in the constitution. He should hammer Bola Tinubu failure to meet the constitutional requirement -- to get the ears of election tribunal judges. Fine of $460,000 over drug issues has been ligated during the election and voters did not buy it. So, my advice to Atiku, leave drug issue alone, and talk about constitutional requirement. The election tribunal is going to rule on whether any candidate on February 25, 2023 meets the constitutional requirement of February 25, 2023 presidential election or not. in my humble opinion no candidate meets the constitutional threshold---meaning no candidate was duly elected.
Right now, i am betting on runoff election between the two top votes getters---Bola vs Atiku.

seunaj:
I pity the overzealousness of the Obi/Datti people on this case.
If by any means tribunal want to go hard on Tinubu:
1. They will either order a rerun. If that happens, Obi has already lost alot of fan base, expecially the Yoruba Christians who are largely now behind Tinubu
2. If they must remove Tinubu and replace, the most likely option is Atiku/Okowa
3. Regardless of the tribunal pronouncement, Tinubu-controlled Supreme Court is where all these will be decided last last. Infact, in order to make it look like Tinubu is not interfering with the judiciary autonomy, he can free the tribunal to pass their judgement against, then appeal to the Supreme Court who will uphold his victory. It's a long long run
Either way it goes, it's a dead end for the opposition. #fact

It doesn't matter who who replace who.. anything to remove Tinibu from there is welcomed

garfield1:


How many did obi score in those states

Out of those States I mentioned, obi won three convincingly, Atiku won the rest. So where did Tinubu win

Bobloco:


Out of those States I mentioned, obi won three convincingly, Atiku won the rest. So where did Tinubu win

Tinubu also won in 12 states. Where he didn't win, he came 2nd. He never came 3rd anywhere.

Bobloco:


Out of those States I mentioned, obi won three convincingly, Atiku won the rest. So where did Tinubu win

He won sambiza

Bobloco:


Out of those States I mentioned, obi won three convincingly, Atiku won the rest. So where did Tinubu win

Tinubu had more votes overall in those states than atiku and obi.it is not about winning but margins

theophorus:
Okay, so after they have remove BAT.

They should now sworn you in abi? Or the PDP-Lite candidate who had 2/3 from 16 states abi you with 2/3 from 19 states?

Oooh, I forgot since they can't sworn you in or your Lite version since you guys didn't meet the 2/3 requirement, then the Military should take over abi?

Abeg make una think well before una go dey Balala Blubala.

Atiku is still in shock, I don't think he will ever recover from the shock.
Tinubu really showed him shege.

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We play too much in this country.

There is no imposition of fine without a breach of law.
There are many underhand deals (including forfeiture or fines without prison terms) in US. In some cases, some criminals go under Federal Protection programmes or snitch to walk free. But a crime must have been committed first.

The fact that a sitting President is directly or indirectly connected to narcotics in US is in itself a valid reason for disqualification. But Nigerians are quick to condone evil for pecuniary reasons until the monster turns around to haunt them.

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seunmsg:


Lol. It is what it is. Provide evidence of the trial of Tinubu in any court. Provide evidence of the indictment or criminal conviction.

Read about non-conviction forfeiture and stop embarrassing yourself. If you violate traffic offense and get fined by VIO or FRSC, it is a non-conviction fine because you were not convicted of any criminal offense. You won’t lose your right to vote or be voted for simply because you paid a fine to FRSC. Paying a fine or forfeiture doesn’t have to be from a criminal conviction.

Below is the official position of the US government on the case. The same US government that gave the forfeiture order. Show it to your children and beg them to explain the implication to you. I’m sure they can read and comprehend better than you.

Kadoso Mutairu aka seunmsg just likes to 😩😩😩😩 anytime Emile O'Corn is mentioned.

garfield1:


But obi is depending on something in 1993 and he hasn't brought something new

Don't confuse yourself. A case happened in 1993 and was well recorded. Then a purported document released in 2003 said there was no such case at any point in time which you people are standing on. Then in 2022 the court papers were published. How you guys want us to accept 2003 'report' as the fact when the publication from the US court on the matter is in public domain is what beats me. Let us even assume that the 2003 report by the FBI or what agency was it, was authentic, don't you know about emerging facts or fresh evidence? It can set a man free from jail or convict a previously discharged and acquitted person.