wesley08:
The push back has started. Since you want to tell your Grandfather who his father is, you'll be told who screwed your mother. Aboh will soon enthrone a new king, let's see if he'll go to Aro or Benin.


The Dein of Agbor Kingdom, His Royal Majesty Dr. Benjamin Ikenchukwu Keagborekuzi I, has enjoined his subjects to stop promoting Igbo culture, describing the Agbor culture as ‘unique and peculiar’.

The Dein gave the admonition at his palace recently while giving his royal blessings to the new Iregwa of Ogbemudien Community, Pa. Bogi Abagi. He called on the good people of Agbor Kingdom to join hands with him to effect the changes he desires to be in place. According to him, “I am back and happy to be in the midst of my subjects. This kind of gathering gives me joy because it is an opportunity for me to learn more from my people. There is room for change, therefore my wish and desire for my subjects is that they adopt and respect every change that is being made. Going through the history of Agbor Kingdom, one will thank the gods for wisdom. Thus, everyone will join hands with me to reposition things the way they ought to be in order to restore our lost glory”.

He called on all Agbor indigenes to preserve Agbor culture and stop promoting Igbo culture. His words, “stop giving our children Igbo names. The native names given to our children should be pronounced and written in Agbor language and not in Igbo or Ika language as Agbor has its own unique language The Igbo red cap should also be dropped as it is not a native cap for Agbor Kingdom. Soon, I will start driving away my palace chiefs who are fond of coming to the palace, wearing in red caps. Agbor traditions should be respected and preserved for future generations. Parents and the elderly should teach our children and the youths the culture of Agbor”.

Igboid:



Now on you Dein Agbor stuff, I believe you were mischievous in choosing part of his words to use to push your agenda.
Dein is not against Igbo Language, because that will be like self fight, seeing as what Agbor speak is also part of the constituents that make up the artificial construct you call "Igbo language". If you are speaking Agbor, you are speaking Igbo .
What Dein was actually doing was that he wants Agbor dialect protected from being swallowed up by the artificial Igbo language construct.
Notice he didn't condemn the use of Igbo language, he also condemned the use of Ika language, he wants Agbor dialect strictly kept.
What he is doing is not disimilar to what Igbo tribes in SE is doing too. Everyone is fighting to preserve their own Igbo dialect from being swallowed up by "Igbo Izugbe".
My elder brother married an Abia woman, I remember the day she gave her daughter the name "Chizaram", my grandfather was not impressed at all. He felt Chizaram which is of Abia/Imo origin and has been chosen as Igbo Izugbe, is an attempt to erode his own Ogidi language.
He wondered why they didn't name the child "Chizalum" as we say in Ogidi. He wasn't impressed at all.
He has always been a purist and clannish.
He hates hearing names like Chinyere which he believes pose danger to his Idemili dialect.

Funny enough I was in an Ngwa and Ndoki Facebook page some time ago and they were complaining of same thing, they feel Igbo language is taking away their Ngwa and Ndoki languages.
They wondered why their daughters and sons are bearing names like Ifeoma, Ifeanyi, Emeka, etc, when they don't use such expressions in Ndoki/Ngwa, they rather say Iheoma, Iheanyi, and Emela (Chukwuemela instead of Chukwuemeka).
It might seem anti Igbo, but what Dein is doing out there is Igbotic. Igbos are naturally clannish and segregating rather than assimilating.
This is why I quickly dismissed cock and bull stories of Bini people who were turned Igbo overnight. Igbos don't accept strangers as part of our units. We are naturally clannish and everything is tied to Umunna/Obi (Kindred) all knitted together by blood ties, it's almost impossible to get in as a stranger.

Igboid:



Now on you Dein Agbor stuff, I believe you were mischievous in choosing part of his words to use to push your agenda.
Dein is not against Igbo Language, because that will be like self fight, seeing as what Agbor speak is also part of the constituents that make up the artificial construct you call "Igbo language". If you are speaking Agbor, you are speaking Igbo .
What Dein was actually doing was that he wants Agbor dialect protected from being swallowed up by the artificial Igbo language construct.
Notice he didn't condemn the use of Igbo language, he also condemned the use of Ika language, he wants Agbor dialect strictly kept.
What he is doing is not disimilar to what Igbo tribes in SE is doing too. Everyone is fighting to preserve their own Igbo dialect from being swallowed up by "Igbo Izugbe".
My elder brother married an Abia woman, I remember the day she gave her daughter the name "Chizaram", my grandfather was not impressed at all. He felt Chizaram which is of Abia/Imo origin and has been chosen as Igbo Izugbe, is an attempt to erode his own Ogidi language.
He wondered why they didn't name the child "Chizalum" as we say in Ogidi. He wasn't impressed at all.
He has always been a purist and clannish.
He hates hearing names like Chinyere which he believes pose danger to his Idemili dialect.

Funny enough I was in an Ngwa and Ndoki Facebook page some time ago and they were complaining of same thing, they feel Igbo language is taking away their Ngwa and Ndoki languages.
They wondered why their daughters and sons are bearing names like Ifeoma, Ifeanyi, Emeka, etc, when they don't use such expressions in Ndoki/Ngwa, they rather say Iheoma, Iheanyi, and Emela (Chukwuemela instead of Chukwuemeka).
It might seem anti Igbo, but what Dein is doing out there is Igbotic. Igbos are naturally clannish and segregating rather than assimilating.
This is why I quickly dismissed cock and bull stories of Bini people who were turned Igbo overnight. Igbos don't accept strangers as part of our units. We are naturally clannish and everything is tied to Umunna/Obi (Kindred) all knitted together by blood ties, it's almost impossible to get in as a stranger.

Ekealterego:


LOL. You really came hard on the Bini immigrants.
Well, in context, "great" Bini fought the British with the stench of corpse and pushed their women to fight with pebbles for only 50 hours in total before it was burnt to the floor.

Enuani on the other hands fought for years. In the SE, apart from so many resistance, the fragmented small Arochukwu fought a full blown war with an empire with great resistance that the British had to reinforce again with more firepower and army.

So, if a "great kingdom" was crushed by a few criminal unskilled weak white men for a few days, how can you have pride coming from such a place when your own people were even able to put up a harder resistance.

As for Aboh and Ukwuani, I feel you have to exempt the Ndosumili people (Aboh aside). The euphoria of Ukwuani paying tax to Bini is not held so much with servient relish is not as strong within Ndosumili as it is with Ukwuani.

It's a shame, Aboh is suppose to compete with Onitsha and Asaba, but today, it's only but a sleepy hamlet, despite its strategic location.

clefstone:
so how can you now explain Olaudah Equaino's writing that his village was part of the Benin Empire if Benin was a not so great Kingdom. I will explain how the Benin empire was easily defeated by the British after you explain Olaudah's writing

Ekealterego:

Olaudah never mentioned "Empire" but rather a "district of Benin". We can say it's semantics, but still, then the areas were known as "districts". All the recorded wars of Bini both with the British and during the Biafran wars ended super quickly.

samuk:


Was there a recorded war between Benin and Biafra?

Did Benin have a standing army?

You are probably referring to Biafra invasion of Nigeria Mid Western territory.

I believe Mid West actually declared neutrality in the hostility before the unprovoked and poorly thought out invasion.

Anyway, it's on record that the Nigeria forces regained back their territory and Biafra lost the sympathy of otherwise neutral Mid West.

Lastly, it's on record how the Mid West under late Gen. Ogbemudia extended the Mid West good spirit of fellowship to the reabsorbed or recaptured Eastern region towards her redevelopment efforts.

Today, Nigeria is still suffering from the 1965 to 1970 miscalculations and missteps of our country men who were predominantly from one tribe.

The question still remains why Emmanuel Ifeajuna, an Onitsha man will lead a coup to overthrow a government headed by another Onitsha man Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe ( a proud Benin descendant).

Ekealterego:

Crafty selective amnesia you conjured up there.

Firstly you didn't mention the Bini expedition that lasted only 50 hours. The "great bini" were fighting with the stench of corpse while the Aros fought gallantly. Even a neighbouring Enuani fought. Did they also have a standing army?

How was Bini "a great empire" if they could be defeated so so easily that it was only the stench of human sacrifices that kept the victory longer than 24 hours? At a time when groups like Aros were making the British get modern reinforcements.

Another selective memory. Maj. Kaduna was the major head of the coup... and again.

So, all the destructive policies before and after the coupé after 5 decades, none was destructive... Or you people as usual would look for anything whether real or otherwise to blame the Igbo man for?

samuk:


Was there a recorded war between Benin and Biafra?

Did Benin have a standing army?

You are probably referring to Biafra invasion of Nigeria Mid Western territory.

I believe Mid West actually declared neutrality in the hostility before the unprovoked and poorly thought out invasion.

Anyway, it's on record that the Nigeria forces regained back their territory and Biafra lost the sympathy of otherwise neutral Mid West.

Lastly, it's on record how the Mid West under late Gen. Ogbemudia extended the Mid West good spirit of fellowship to the reabsorbed or recaptured Eastern region towards her redevelopment efforts.

Today, Nigeria is still suffering from the 1965 to 1970 miscalculations and missteps of our country men who were predominantly from one tribe.

The question still remains why Emmanuel Ifeajuna, an Onitsha man will lead a coup to overthrow a government headed by another Onitsha man Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe ( a proud Benin descendant).

samuk:


This same Benin is the ancestors of the greatest political figure, Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe that Eastern Nigeria ever produce. After all the insults, you will have to live with the fact that the Zik of Africa is a proud descendant of Benin.

AreaFada2:

Zik was unapologetically and proudly a Benin descendant. With full chest.

Something Ojukwu loathed him for but he didn't give a hoot.

Igboid:
This is the truth and what Ndiigbo know of Bini and Western Igbo interactions and not the delusional stories some of you hold unto today.:

"Benin originated from Agbor. Ika had never been subjected to Benin or other trbes. Benins were weaker and fewer before 1897, Benin influence went no further than Ugo. Ikas harrassed Benins wth successful wars which led them to dig the trench around them".

~Agbor Patriotic Union 1939

This is what Chief E A Iduwe an Agbor chief had to say about Bini:

"Agbor speaks Ika dialect, akin to other Igbo tongues but with the special vehicle of Ika culture and image. It is DISTINCT AND DISSIMILAR FROM EDO LANGUAGE and vice versa, even though they said that Agbor was once under Oba's rule. This was so when the Bini were the first to acquire firearms from the Portuguese, and with which they TERRORIZED the neighbouring states. But this state of affairs lasted only for a short time. Agbors liberated themselves before the 18th century.
"Oru asuw Igbo, Igbo asuw Ika" : From this saying, Agbor appear to be the cradle of the Ika dialect and the and the Citadel of IGBO heroes" .

~ History of Greater Agbor page 14

Igboid:

Laughable.
[b]Both Aboh and Bini are too small in population and recent in terms of antiquity in comparison to Nsukka.
It's ridiculous and outright delusional the sort of things you guys believe and project over there.
I can only shudder at how warped your mindsets are.

If at all there is transfer, it Should be from Nsukka to Igala and from Igala to Aboh.
Because Igbo Nsukka is very old and is one of the founding members of Igala ethnic group alongside the Yorubas, Junkun and Okpotos.

So the only plausible way the transfer you propose could have happened is from Nsukka to Igala and from Igala to Aboh.

But alas, Igala don't bear the name Ossai, so off goes that your little fantasy.

Keep running in circles.

Efewestern:


I need to dig more into the Aboh-Bini relationship. It have always avoided that part of history because of its complexity and controversies.

But some questions beg for answer...

* Why was Aboh revered so much?
* Was the Obiship stool in Aboh a direct offshoot of Bini like that of Itsekiri ?
* Was Aboh considered an extension of Bini?

The reason I got into this slight argument with you is because you missed the point clefstone was trying to make when he mentioned there exists a Ndokwa name in a core Urhobo clan. The existence of such name wasn't as a result of cultural influence but migration and assimilation. I went further to give you examples of how Itsekiri names are found in several Urhobo clans. By the way, thanks for the references. I learnt a two.

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For us to get a clearer view of the past, we need to understand how related groups once lived. Kingdoms/Empires weren't really a thing for most occupants of today's Delta State. The Edoid Aboriginals never had that zeal to build an empire, the only group that were able to get a meaningful kingdom got it through Bini influences or other external factors.

The Urhobos/Isokos built flourishing independent clans they guilded fiercely. These clans were in no way under the control of any external influences. While the Binis saw the Oba as a god on earth, the Urhobos/Isokos only reverved the throne due to the enormous power it carries and territories it controls. (Oba of Bini at his peak controlled the whole of Eastern Yoruba and faraway lagos).

When the British started indirect rule, the Urhobos who were mostly republican in nature started creating thrones and for these kingdoms to get validity, they sought out for the Oba's blessings.

These actions led to many erroneously thinking the Urhobos/Isokos were under the control of the reigning Oba. Infact, the Urhobos were the only group whose none of its land was under the Oba's control till this very day. Whereas, some Anioma and Itsekiri territory till this very day are still under the Oba's control (See Igbanke and Ologbo). The attempt to control Oghara was heavily resisted and the rest they say is history.

Non-Edoid groups in Delta state aside the Ijaws were easily penetrated and influenced. The Binis sent a prince to unite Ijebu riverine dwellers and the Itsekiri kingdom was made. The Igboid part of the state were already receiving influx of Bini migrants, so the ground was already soft for Bini influences. Maybe this was the reason Aboh built the most successful kingdom in Delta state.

Of all groups, I respect the Ijaws the most. They seems to be the oldest in the zone as they are visible in most of my ancestral trace and not a single Ijaw clan fell under the control of the Binis.

Cc: Igboid, clefstone, RedboneSmith

Evboesi:

You cannot be absolute with these things, this is history, the Ijaws were not really land people, they were riverine people, and besides the much touted Ughoton or Gwatto port, was Ughoton-Gele-Gele port and it was under the control of the Binis. Say what you know bro, say what you know

Efewestern:


Binis also had influences over Riverine communities. Controlled creeks in Ondo and extended influences to Iwerre. In all of these, no single Ijaw community in the Delta was influenced.

My point, Ijaws were the only group in the Delta or one of the few group that outsiders couldn't penetrate. Also, they seem to be the oldest indigenous group in Southern Nigeria that have held sway of their environment for centuries.

They had contacts with Edoid Aboriginals centuries before the Bini empire came to life and several Edoid communities was as a result of Ijaw/Urhobo/Isoko ancestral blend. Were they influenced by Edoid groups? Of course yes, The Ijaws had ancestors from Urhobo but they still maintained dominance of all their surroundings.

That's the point I was trying to pass.

Efewestern:


Before I make comment on the Aboh kingdom and its relationship with the Bini, let me first correct the bolded.
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First, several Urhobo/Isoko communities were already established before anything Bini Kingdom existed. They Urhobos were fully autonomous and independent from any external influences. I dare you to reference any Urhobo community/clan that was under the control of the Oba of Bini or any external force.

Directly or indirectly, no Urhobo clan was under the control of Oba of Bini and kingship in Urhobo land was too recent and it came out of the urge to belong. Only few Urhobo clans like Olomu, Agbon and maybe Ughelli had kings. The Urhobos operated a society that was far different from that of the Binis.

Bold of you to think Olu of Warri controlled the hinterland. Infact, the king of Iwerre was confined to his riverine communities. It was only recent did the Itsekiris migrated upland. Individual Urhobo communities controlled everywhere from Oghara down to Warri. Urhobo indigenous warriors (Igbu) were mainly stationed in bushes and forests.

Oba of Bini was an influential king in the whole of southern Nigeria, so non-powerful chiefs and leaders found in autonomous Urhobo communities would naturally want to associate with such greate power. Were the Urhobos under the control of Bini? Hell no! Did Oba of Bini appoint any leader to lead any Urhobo clan? Hell no!


I agree with your inputs. What happened in Aboh was similar to what happen to Warri. There was an exchange in power and I bet the power came from Bini.

Evboesi:
you have changed your stance from to no single Ijaw clan to no Ijaw clan in delta, all the Ijaw communities in Edo state were dominated by the Binis. This is what I responded to

Non-Edoid groups in Delta state aside the Ijaws were easily penetrated and influenced. The Binis sent a prince to unite Ijebu riverine dwellers and the Itsekiri kingdom was made. The Igboid part of the state were already receiving influx of Bini migrants, so the ground was already soft for Bini influences. Maybe this was the reason Aboh built the most successful kingdom in Delta state.

Of all groups, I respect the Ijaws the most. They seems to be the oldest in the zone as they are visible in most of my ancestral trace and not a single Ijaw clan fell under the control of the Binis.

Evboesi:
Ologbo is a shared community just like Warri, it does not belong to the Itsekiris, there are native Binis in Ologbo and they are not in anyway in the minority. It is a traditional Bini community that allowed settlements of the Itsekiris among them. I would like to see an excerpt whereby the Binis struggled Oghara (an Urhobo speaking community with the Urhobo speaking people of delta state. Igbanke was majorly Ogbemudia’s handiwork

You cannot be absolute with these things, this is history, the Ijaws were not really land people, they were riverine people, and besides the much touted Ughoton or Gwatto port, was Ughoton-Gele-Gele port and it was under the control of the Binis. Say what you know bro, say what you know

Evboesi:
in the eyes of historians, it might not be so true

AreaFada2:

Zik was unapologetically and proudly a Benin descendant. With full chest.

Something Ojukwu loathed him for but he didn't give a hoot.

AreaFada2:


The govt was not led by Zik in reality. Zik was figurehead President pocketed by Bello and Balewa/NPC in connivance with the British.

Worse was the bad politics by Dr Nwafor Orizu immediately after the coup. If you read Shehu Shagari's book, you will see it there.
Orizu as SP was acting president when Zik was in the Caribbean as Jan 15th coup happened. As Balewa was missing and feared dead, Orizu should have made the senior minister Dipcharima acting Prime Minister instead of just phoning Zik abroad and leaving cabinet members including Dipcharima and Shagari, in his parlour (and go have a meeting with only Ironsi in the inner room).

Only to emerge from inner room and say Ironsi will take over the govt to provide security.
Everybody else took it as Igbo plan/plot and it looked suspiciously like it, whether true or not.

Orizu failed to be a statesman in a critical moment and no wonder he's hardly mentioned in 9ja history today.

Funny enough, the young officers were partly angered by how shabbily NPC/FG treated Awo, sending him to jail in Calabar. Today nobody mentions it, not even SW. Never weep more than the bereaved.

Evboesi:
Benin originated from Agbor bawo, see this goat.

Iduwe’s attempt at history is a desperate and laughable attempt at foolishness. Iduwe took tales of some drunk Oza nogogo and Ika elders and wrote that sham he calls history. That historical attempt by Ika and nogogo people in delta state is laughable. There are many ancient communities in Bini that predate Oza. And it is even a known fact among Oza people themselves. When we talk of ancient communities in Benin, Oza does not even come to mention.

The Binis were fewer before 1897, not because we are not ancient people, but because there was some systems in place (ritual killings and sacrifice, consistent wars between Bini and her neighbors which led to loss of lives, consistent migration away from the city and Bini land as a result of political turmoil,succession disputes which led to loss of lives on both side of persons supporting either princes)ensured the population did not grow astronomically and remained at a spotwhich are however absent today and has led to population explosion and growth among the Binis. You can deceive those ones in your camp. But the bigger Oza in Edo state are ruthless, there is no community that is more pro Bini than them. A worthy mention is the Oduwa imasuen,(yes the Oduwa Imasuen you know another is senior kings Ogbebor, Naomi Ehigie, Stanley Iyonawman, Fabomo Edoleyi, Richard Ugiagbe and so on. These guys from Oza in Edo state are self conscious of who they are and they are not deluded

Igboid:


Iduwe was right.
Bini is like Igala.
Both are hybrids and not original.

Bini was founded on Iduland( Ancient Land occupied by Igbos of Onitsha, and other Anioma clans), Udo( this was ancient Yoruba land that shared boundary with Idu an ancient Igbo land, both were located where modern Bini was built) and ancient Edoid groups like Oza and Esan,by Yoruba conquerors from Ile Ife.
They( the Yoruba conquerors) United the remnant of the Igbos, Edoids(Oza and Esan), Yorubas (Usen and co) and some Nupe elements as well, who remained after their invasion, to form the Amalgam you call Bini today.
Bini is a mixture of different groups.
This same scenario played out in Igala, where Ancient Igbo , Okpoto and Yoruba clans living side by side in Kogi were displaced by invading Junkun conquerors, who United them all to form the Amalgam called Igala.

In case of Bini the Esan, Oza and other Edoid speaking groups dominated, so the new language became Edoid, while the Ile Ife conquering party established the Oba dynasty.
In Igala case, Yorubas dominated, so the language stayed Yoruboid, while the conquering Junkuns established their dynasty.

Oza was there as a distinct group before Bini almagam was formed.
You see traces of incomplete assimilation into the almagam called Bini in Usen as the Yoruba components of Bini over there managed to retain their original language, just as Igbo speaking Igbanke and other pockets of Igbo enclaves in Edo South like Owariuzo and co did as well.

Iduwe's history was spot on.
Agbor is very much older than Bini. Just as Nsukka is older than IGALA.

Evboesi:
your post reeks of confusion and lack of knowledge, I don’t know where to start attacking your argument from.

There is nothing like a Bini almagam, Usen and other border area towns, to the west of course, are bilingual because of two reasons, is only normal communities to the west and east especially at the periphery speak an additional language, it is a common theory anywhere in the world, don’t make a conspiracy out of it.

One of them is this, because they border Ondo state, and it could be because of the same way Ekpon happened,

There is nothing ancient about Oza, your oga Ogbuefi seem more knowledgeable than you on this subject matter, they offended the Oba in the fifteenth century and fled to Agbor, that was the beginning of Oza.

Many Esan communities were formed or became considerably larger because several Bini people fled Bini in droves because of political turmoil, and many Esan communities were formed, most of their oral tales attest to that,

Iduwe’s junk is not corroborated by Bini city or Udo, that’s how you know junk, There was no conquering party anywhere, not one recorded by Bini nor Ife, Bini is spoken along some 8,600 kilometers square of land. It is only at the periphery you see bilingual groups which is normal everywhere. Udo does not speak Yoruba and she has no tradition of Coming from there. Udo is as ancient as time and she reeks Edo all through and through. Benin does not have any tales of being an Igbo land. At best, she hosted some who later returned to their land. The core was and is still Edo. What about Urhonigbe, it is far older than anything Oza can think of, aside the fact, that the Olokun worship started there, many communities to the east of Benin has history of migration from Urhonigbe

Idu was an ancestor, as we have families trace to it, these families have origins from Udo!

Igboid:



Idu as an ancestor is a Bini modern day fabrication as usual.
Usen is bilingual because they are remnants of aboriginal Yorubas in Udo that were not assimilated fully into the Bini Amalgam.
It happens.
Nope, they didn't offend Oba. They rejected the new Yoruba order from Ife in Bini and had to leave.
Esan is older than Bini which is both a recent Amalgam formed by Esan, Igbo, Oza, Yoruba ( the rulers) and Nupe refugees.
Your claims are ridiculous. Ofcourse some Esan groups were able to resist the Amalgam and free their homelands on which modern Bini Amalgam stand on.

Bini has no land to start with because Bini is a recent Amalgam.
This is why Anioma communities speak of origin from parts of where you call Bini today.
They are not speaking of origin from modern Bini,they are speaking of origin from ancient Igbo communities in the land called Bini today many of which was involved in the Bini Amalgam formation.
The oral history is not totally wrong, it's just that it's misinterpreted.
It's same way Igbos in Enugu North speak of origin from Igala, the oral history is not wrong because there were ancient Igbo communities existing in where Idah and other Igala communities stand today, many were forced to retreat southwards towards Nsukka, leaving their lands and relatives who accepted the new Junkun order that formed the Igala Amalgam behind.

Igala and Bini elders know this history.
But lies and need for pride and expansionism has beclouded your reasoning and will never allow modern Igala and Bini people come out with the truth.
It's the Amalgam (multi Ethnic) that gives rice of many ethnicities having histories of origin Bini or Igala, when they don't speak those languages.
It's because they are actually speaking of origin from their ethnic component that was involved in Bini and Igala formation.
It makes sense.
It's like an Irish person saying his parents are from USA, he is not speaking about blacks or other ethnicities of USA, he is speaking of his Irish speaking ancestors that were involved in USA formation.

Efewestern:


We are saying that same thing. Let me highlight my points for you incase there is a mix-up somewhere.

* Bini influences covers today Eastern Yoruba territory and Igbo-speaking part of Delta state.

* The Edoid groups in Delta built autonomous communities and have lived that way for centuries even before the Bini empire came to life.

* Kingship within the Edoid groups in Delta was too recent and so they sought out the blessing and validity of a superior Kingdom and king, reason chiefs/kings go to the Oba to seek approval when coronated. Traditional Urhobo clan operate a vary system where seniority in chief ranking determines who lead. This wasn't the way the Edoid groups in Benin lived.

wesley80:
LOL. You'd think people that open their mouths to talk BS about other people would do the most basic thing common sense requires; read! Even if you want to lie, why lie with someone as eminent as Azikiwe?

Igboid:


You are not the brightest bulb in the Christmas tree, are you?
Isoko, Urhobo and co all speak an Edoid language, so their migration from Bini story is legit! Because Bini speaks an Edoid language too.
Language is the greatest pointer of origin.
Also Epie-Attisa in Bayelsa, Engenni in far away Rivers State have histories of Bini origin and you see this in the fact that the people despite being surrounded by Ijoid speakers,speak an Edoid language as mother tongue!

In Delta State, Odiani communities in Aniocha have history of migrants from Owo Division of Ondo and we see that in the fact that some of them speak a Yoruboid language as mother tongue.
Ebu in same Aniocha area has history of migrants from Igala and the people speak Igala dialect as mother tongue.
Oza nogogo people in Agbor has history of migrants from Edo, and they speak an Edoid language as mother tongue.
These things are rational and not hard to figure except when one want to indulge in self delusion.
A people language will always reflect where the overwhelming population of the people originated from. It's that simple. Anything else is mere fantasy and wishful thinking.

Bini origin claimants in Oguta are no different from Jewish origin claimants in Aguleri and environment.
They are all clownish wishful dreamers. No one, not even themselves, take themselves serious.
We all know they are all suffering from inferiority complex and we are ever ready to welcome all of them back to earth when they are done.
Any claim by Igbo speaking group that traces their origin to smaller non Igbo speaking groups outside Igboland is pure fallacy and wishful thinking stories cobbled by lying ancestors suffering from inferiority complex.
No Anthropologist will take such serious.

Yes! Aboh couldn't have originated from Bini and not be speaking an Edoid dialect as mother tongue. It's impossible! If you say a few founding fathers of Aboh, maybe the rulling class are of Bini origin, maybe I can reluctantly agree, but there is no denying the fact that overwhelming (at least 90%) of people in Aboh today are originated from Igbo speaking ancestors which is why the language of Aboh stayed Igbo. This is common sense.