Christians or Born-again means same.

World called Kingdom people Christians
Jesus or Divine called us Born-again

Sometimes we try to call ourselves Born-again Christians to separate good Christians from immature Christians.

The Christians that didn't understand the oracle or key knowledge of God are called babe-Christians or church goers. So, understanding and and practicing the doctrine of God makes you save.


Now to the main message.... For your life to continue and to see, to live, to laugh again, rejoice again, to rule again after your physical death means you need to be born again. Being born-again simply means you recognised JESUS as your Lord, tho you first known Him as your saviour, but importantly as your Lord and presence of Holy Spirit in you, that teach you more about JESUS Christ. So for Born-again it's Christ in and out. Before you become Christians we preach Jesus through God that has selected you, to you, to come. When you become a Born-again Christian the Holy Spirit explain JESUS to you.

Between you and this great opportunity of living again after death is many things that matters to flesh, but very simple to your Spirit. If Jesus come today, among twins, one will go and other twin will not, father will go mother will miss. Two friends standing, one will go, the other miss, a politician because he believes will go, the common man on the street miss, employees go, employers miss. Why? those missing out didn't believe, basically called unbelievers.


So many will miss the opportunity to live forever because they can't understand things that is at the tips of their eyes.

Imagine missing the opportunity to live forever because of mistakes, because you are too wise, because of unbelieving, because of money, because of things that we know they don't usually count beyond some time, because of alcohol, friends, families, girls or boys, religion, ego, title, money, marriage, child or children, because of confusion, drug or any youthful exuberance like yahoo+ or duping people up and down, experience, traveling around the globe, education such as doctorate, professor and so on


Missing heaven is missing it all, no make up and is real. Heaven is real



Christians are going to heaven. Those stories you see in the Bible are all real. No standing concept of rules or decree or anything will be able to categorically say
Heaven isn't real. There are more physical evidence that support heaven is real than against it in humanly discussion. And you see more evidence when you talk to witnesses or Christians and when you read Bible.


Just like the way heaven and Spirit of God is real among men is the same way hell and evil spirit exist, they talked about witches operation and ritualist existing but because you had not seen one, you think it's false and made up? They are real. Testimonies in Churches are real, JESUS is real


It's better you are a gateman in heaven than missing out, how do you miss out, by not believing Jesus came down as Son of God.

Missing out are usually caused by these three(3) things


Religion or religiosity.... If you join a faith that didn't recognize Jesus is Lord, no matter how popular or big or respected or recognize such gathering is in this world, I mean this world oooo, you are missing the heaven. You need to renounce them now, don't look back. Find a living Church around you, you need them, being a member of a Church is important, BEFORE God arrives at Church that is being led by Holy Spirit, God had previously used families, Adam's family was the first, Noah's family, Abraham's family and so on, people in such family if they listen to their father that God ordained or gave special assignment to, the head of their family, they are saved. After family, God later used a nation, Israel or Jews is God first son according to Bible, imagine being God first son just because you belong to a nation. An adopted first son of Almighty God. Then the last that God recognize after those notable families and a nation of God is Church or Kingdom people. The recognition and attention God gave to Israelites is now on Christians in their Churches, Church because, they are body of Christ. You can't say I believe in Jesus but not Church. leadership in Churches receive the gift of Jesus, before you can identify a Church as Church, it must have either an apostle, pastor, evangelist, teacher and prophet present. Ephesians 4:11-12, Holy Spirit is the one managing the Church presently on earth now, Holy Spirit is presently God on earth now, every born again member of the Church receive Holy Spirit gifts,9 of them. 1 Corinthians 12:7-11. If God once recognize an Israelites nation, He is coming to be identified with Church. The glory of the latter is better. Christians are not even adopted unlike Israelites, they are direct son or sonship to God through Christ, Holy Spirit birthed us when we gave our lives to Christ, baptism is important. Jesus is the connection, reason why Jesus said He is the way to the Father, JESUS opened that connection for man to become God's own. Jesus God the son means God in flesh, this is the meaning of God the Son. This means Jesus is God on earth as at when He was here. This is the understanding that will rule your heart hence forth so that nothing evil rule it again. Devil will fight you on this, but you must be ready for him, because this Word is out to liberate you and set you free from him forever. This is what qualified you to become a citizen of new Jerusalem that is abode in heaven. It's important you believe if your heart is good and want to serve God, if you don't, devil will find an alternative for you and call it a way to God, this is what birthed other religions that are not Christianity. Not believing at this critical junction is the reason why we have any and many other religion body you can ever imagine on this earth. The intention of all these religions is to have a Church of God, but when harvester comes, JESUS will tell them I don't know you, not only because they miss it, but also of their work. A sin against Holy has no forgiven.... Why? No way, no other ship to convey people after the passing or sailing home of the Church that Holy Spirit nurture and taught. All forms of idolatry and worshippers of strange god are not going to live with God forever.

Secondly is atheism, atheists don't believe God exists, and don't want explanations around divinity. So, in the process, they set a standard of moral is all we need. So many things may be the reason for this decision in man, notables are knowledge or science, demand for physical evidences, confusion arising from many religion, life satisfaction, suffering of the Saint or Born-again people and state of mind. Since there is no such time to tackle these one after the other, one good answer is that devil is still the reason for any form of disbelieving or not believing at all. Usually man is a tripartite built, meaning a man is a spirit that has a soul and lives in a body. The first knowledge lost for man is to not knowing this, especially that he is a spirit of that his spirit is the most important part of him, or not knowing the role his spirit takes as he lives or after death of flesh. Bible teach that the main decision happen in the spirit, then flesh carried it out, but atheist believe otherwise. God is a Spirit, man is also one, but presently operate in flesh, so gap exist, but the gap doesn't suggest spirit is unreal. Is there, we are catching up, but not all. The good thing is that it's not hidden, however, if it's hidden from any, this is devil and we must see it this way. Spiritual things isn't far from us, it takes our collaboration with the unreal spirit not to see God. First, we know we are different from every other creature or "things" we know for sure don't have to walk alone in the midnight and even if our area is safe, we know this isn't possible for everyone else on earth to visit some places like that. We know literally that people won't gather for religiosity or spirituality or something else without for a reason, but we decides to ignore all of these for a faith of evidences, or a game of it. Lastly in this category, spirituality don't usually come with physical evidences for sure, yet atheists use it as basis of their arguments. Like we said earlier imagine the atheists situation when the final day of flood came, definitely not suddenly if am not mistakenly.

Lastly or thirdly is sin, unlike the second point, sins are usually committed by those that knows the meaning of sin, and by sons. Sin also concerns us all, this is better refers to as original sin from Adam before we talk about personal sins. The original sin means all man must have a day they gave their life to Christ, if you don't have yet you are not standing well with God no matter how good your hands are clean. The personal sins are the one we committed when we didn't calculate well, when we put flesh above the Spirit. Whereas spirit should be first in all areas of our lives. As a tripartite living, we should live in consciousness of the spirit. There are things Born-again don't do, if you do them, you may slide to wrong sides of your faith and you become a backsliders. A Christians isn't too perfect yet like Jesus, not to sin, but must not remained in sin.



The good place a child of God is going is such a place without sin, so, it's a preparation, your time now is preparation and readiness to live in a sinless place, a new Jerusalem above. The question is, if you are aware of what is happening where you are going, will you makes some preparation or will you not? Especially when the journey demand a preparation, holiness living demand is part of what happen in our final home. We will be made perfect like Jesus, Jesus is our standard on earth.



Hallelujah.

What will those who go to heaven do?

What will happen to the earth?

I want to go to hell.
I cannot go to a place where a paranoid dictator lives. A narcissist god who wants his subordinates to always worship him.

chatinent:
What will those who go to heaven do?

What will happen to the earth?

Any human that goes to heaven is there to visit. Heaven is not meant for human beings.
After the marriage supper of the lamb, where all the saints of God will dine with Jesus in the sky for 7 year after the rapture. We all coming back to earth for the one thousand years reign. After which God will create a heaven and a new earth. The new earth will then become the final abode of the saints in their new immortal bodies.

Workch:
I want to go to hell.
I cannot go to a place where a paranoid dictator lives. A narcissist god who wants his subordinates to always worship him.

I am so sorry for your experiences in life. The truth is, it is not God's intentions. Those bad experiences are as a result of man's inhumanity to man.
If you will calm down to seek God, you will discover that He is good.
God is our real father and He yearns for our attention that is why He gave us His written word and when that did not suffice, He sent His Word that became flesh known as JESUS.
God has a plan. He is the Author, the Master, the CREATOR, besides Him there is no other.
Discover God through Jesus and know peace, because He is the King of PEACE.
God bless you.

Fididiguy:
Christians or Born-again means same.

World called Kingdom people Christians
Jesus or Divine called us Born-again

Sometimes we try to call ourselves Born-again Christians to separate good Christians from immature Christians.

The Christians that didn't understand the oracle or key knowledge of God are called babe-Christians or church goers. So, understanding and and practicing the doctrine of God makes you save.


Now to the main message.... For your life to continue and to see, to live, to laugh again, rejoice again, to rule again after your physical death means you need to be born again. Being born-again simply means you recognised JESUS as your Lord, tho you first known Him as your saviour, but importantly as your Lord and presence of Holy Spirit in you, that teach you more about JESUS Christ. So for Born-again it's Christ in and out. Before you become Christians we preach Jesus through God that has selected you, to you, to come. When you become a Born-again Christian the Holy Spirit explain JESUS to you.

Who is a Christian, and at what point in the bible do we start having Christians?

paxonel:

Who is a Christian, and at what point in the bible do we start having Christians?

When you are "like Christ" and your world has definitely changed. All the things that you are used to are truly past and you have a new world you never knew and then you are start knowing God's plans and God's Mind

That is when you know that you have been made a new man and has been washed by The Blood and has received The Holy Spirit. That I when a person becomes a Christian.

Workch:
I want to go to hell.
I cannot go to a place where a paranoid dictator lives. A narcissist god who wants his subordinates to always worship him.

Exactly what satan said.

You already know that you are irredeemably condemned and that God can never ever forgive you.

So.we know that you are just trying to bear the fact that you are destroyed by trying to psyche yourself, since you are already regretting your own self destruction.

Who wan burn again

chatinent:
What will those who go to heaven do?

What will happen to the earth?

We are not going to heaven we are only going to new upgraded heaven and earth 2.0 to continue our normal living there where we would all see first hand what Adam saw when God had finished making the the world.

And all things are shiny new and we love new things like a new house or a new hotel.

And even here we have seen first hand that it is very very sweet living with God so my body is already doing jiggy-jiggy as i am thinking of living with Him.

And the one of the best part is that Satan wont be there to plant his evil seeds like lortreed, workch and all devils. So no evil there. No one will steal, cheat or use murders and threat of violence to subject his fellowmen (government and politicians). All evils are not there as they have been burnt in and with this world till they turned to galaxy dust whatever that is.

Dtruthspeaker:


When you are "like Christ" and your world has definitely changed. All the things that you are used to are truly past and you have a new world you never knew and then you are start knowing God's plans and God's Mind

That is when you know that you have been made a new man and has been washed by The Blood and has received The Holy Spirit. That I when a person becomes a Christian.

this is how to answer simple questions!

Who is a Christian?

Ans: a Christian is anyone who....

At what point in the bible do we have Christians?

Ans : you quote the scripture and explain

Is that too hard?

Fididiguy:

Christians or Born-again means same.

It is not the same!

A Christian is one who is willing to put on the new personality which is required to live forever in Paradise so any imperfect human who is striving to imitate Christ in thought, word and action is a Christian.

A Born Again is a Christian anointed with God's Holy Spirit to rule with Christ Jesus anywhere he stationed his government. Revelations 14:1-4; John 14:1-3 compare to Matthew 20:20-23

All faithful humans from Abel till today have the privilege to become Christians but whoever refuse to put on that new personality can't have everlasting life because God made Adam in His own image that's what quantify Adam to live forever before he chose to die and ever since then all his children are dying {Romans 5:12} but God in His infinite mercy decided to redeem mankind that's why He sent Jesus to live among us as a model for us to follow his footsteps closely. 1Peter 2:21
Anyone who is willing to be like Jesus will be forgiven all his past errors. Luke 23:41-43

All faithful servants of God before Christ will be given the same opportunity like billions of nice people who died as pagans {Act 24:15} because they don't know God's righteousness all of them will live with Christians on this planet for 1,000 years {Revelations 20:5-6} there we will teach them what Christ taught us so that anyone who accept the model (Christ) will live but whoever think it's his niceness that can earn him everlasting life will die again for good! Revelations 20:13-15

paxonel:
this is how to answer simple questions!

Who is a Christian?

Ans: a Christian is anyone who....

At what point in the bible do we have Christians?

Ans : you quote the scripture and explain

Is that too hard?

You can fill my answer that way eg a Christian is one who is Christ like.

And i think the accurate question you should have asked is "at what point does a person become a Christian?" and not "At what point in the bible do we have Christians?" Christians are people who choose and change to become it. They do not fall from the sky like rain.

So, you have the answer already.

helinues:
Who wan burn again

Workch and many people don choose burn, again and again.

Some of us want to know when Christianity start or when we first have the Christian



There is so much answers to this in the Bible, reading the Bible or joining a church is key, but before then we will do the witness and Holy Spirit will complete his work



When we told you earlier that those that Jesus described as Born again are what the world people see and called CHRISTIANS, then you have answers to when how do we identify Christians, what birthed Christians, what link does Christians have with JESUS, look at this verse... How Jesus said the born again or Kingdom seeker need to be born again or need to be Christian as the world called them



John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

But today we have all set of Christians


Initially we don't have all these set of Christians, we only have born again, witnesses, Kingdom seekers and Christ like, all these are what people see and called Christians


There is a way you behave around especially if you are seeking US visa especially around US Embassy, Kingdom seekers must be born again, they want to spend time with JESUS in heaven, they will be made perfect like JESUS and they live forever.


Those who said heaven will be boring don't know the Bible a bit. If we use a whole year to explain heaven and packages awaiting, we still will be scratching surfaces.



Eye hasn't seen, it hasn't crossed the heart of any, what God has prepared for those that like Him


Imagine this...

Dtruthspeaker:


You can fill my answer that way eg a Christian is one who is Christ like.

ok!

A believer after the death and resurrection of Christ and a Christian, is there any difference?

Please quote scriptures to support your answer

And i think the accurate question you should have asked is "at what point does a person become a Christian?"

no!
It isn't necessarily to ask since you can't predict what is anyone's mind.
We can notice a Muslim always attending church, but that doesn't stop him from being a Muslim in his heart

and not "At what point in the bible do we have Christians?"

if you are a careful reader of the bible you will notice that scriptural events were written according to time.Time consciousness have been ignored by many Christians.
There were times of the old covenant events which elapsed the moment Christ resurrected, followed by the time of the new covenant events which commences In the book of Act of the apostles.
So, i ask again, at what time in the bible do we start having Christians

Christians are people who choose and change to become it. They do not fall from the sky like rain.

So, you have the answer already.

ok.

When do we start having them in the bible?

Is it before Jesus was crucified or after his resurrection?

If it is after his resurrection, how come some fails to understand that when Jesus told Nicodemus that you must be born again he has not yet been crucified talkless of being resurrect therefore the term born again has nothing to do with Christianity?

You know, Christians don't think

paxonel:
ok!
A believer after the death and resurrection of Christ and a Christian, is there any difference?
Please quote scriptures to support your answer

I knowv you argue pointlessly and unendingly but as i have told you, i argue only on specific isssue and will part as soon as that issue is settled.

And the issue here is who is a Christian which I have answered and now you have moved to "is a Christian the same as a believer, before, during or after resurrection?"

And I answer that a Christian is a believer who has been charged and transformed to a Christian.

paxonel:

no!
It isn't necessarily to ask since you can't predict what is anyone's mind.

Because Christians do not fall from the sky but are people who chose to change is why the correct question is "at what point does a person become a Christian?". So, no road here.

paxonel:

Ok
When do we start having them in the bible?

I don't understand this mad question. "Having them" like when a girl can have children or when a boy shall start having beards?

Now you know you atheists don't think well at all. (so finally pastor Chris has made you an.antiGod and Antichrist. i did warn you years ago)

Dtruthspeaker:


We are not going to heaven we are only going to new upgraded heaven and earth 2.0 to continue our normal living there where we would all see first hand what Adam saw when God had finished making the the world.

And all things are shiny new and we love new things like a new house or a new hotel.

And even here we have seen first hand that it is very very sweet living with God so my body is already doing jiggy-jiggy as i am thinking of living with Him.

And the one of the best part is that Satan wont be there to plant his evil seeds like lortreed, workch and all devils. So no evil there. No one will steal, cheat or use murders and threat of violence to subject his fellowmen (government and politicians). All evils are not there as they have been burnt in and with this world till they turned to galaxy dust whatever that is.

Those who go to heaven will do what there?

chatinent:


Those who go to heaven will do what there?

they will be singing, dancing and worship a narcissist for life

Workch:
they will be singing, dancing and worship a narcissist for life

I understand you, Workch. I understand with the way the religion is painted, it all seems too unbelievable.

chatinent:


Those who go to heaven will do what there?

I said it. That we are not going to heaven but to new upgraded heaven and earth 2.0 to continue normal living without satan and his evil and evil his seeds.

Dtruthspeaker:


I said it. That we are not going to heaven but to new upgraded heaven and earth 2.0 to continue normal living without satan and his evil and evil his seeds.

Why will heaven be upgraded when the sin only happens on earth?

Dtruthspeaker:


I knowv you argue pointlessly and unendingly

that is not the issue!
Scripturaes usually demands extensive and comprehensive study that's why it seems unending.
In the real sense, there is a comprehensive end. That's what i seek to redress.

but as i have told you, i argue only on specific isssue and will part as soon as that issue is settled.

And the issue here is who is a Christian which I have answered

your answer that a Christian is mere christ-like has defeated the main purpose of Christianity which is salvation as christlikeness or whatever, does not equate to salvation which is through Grace by faith alone
Romans 4:22 says Abraham had faith and it was imputed to him for righteousness.

and now you have moved to "is a Christian the same as a believer, before, during or after resurrection?"

And I answer that a Christian is a believer who has been charged and transformed to a Christian.



Because Christians do not fall from the sky but are people who chose to change is why the correct question is "at what point does a person become a Christian?". So, no road here.

you were half right as this truth of changing isn't complete without salvation of the soul.
Anybody can decide to change
A Muslim can change
An hinduist can change.
An atheist can change
But that doesn't mean they are saved simply because they changed from their wrong doing.

Hence, the reason why i asked the question, at what time do we start having Christians?

(so finally pastor Chris has made you an.antiGod and Antichrist. i did warn you years ago)

see this one, why cares about pastors?

You are finding it difficult to distinguish between a Christian and a non Christian why will you not say this confused statement?

The op also made the same confusion up there that's why he can't answer my question.

And you want to help him answer but you end up mixing up in confusion

Workch:
they will be singing, dancing and worship a narcissist for life

We already sing and dance and worship here with our bellies full with food and drink and satisfaction from work being always successfully done and very profitable.

So the major difference is that all evils like you, theives, cheats, murderers etc will not be there.

O how sweet that is to travel with no visa, to be accomodated in lovely homes (no LovePeddler-tells), making sweet friends along the way, no hospitals, no old age and death so we always have our loved ones permanently with us.

Food and drink boku boku, no war, no famine, no disaster... o how very sweet that world is.

Ehen nothing like "i dey find work!"

paxonel:

your answer that a Christian is mere christ-like has defeated the main purpose of Christianity which is salvation as christlikeness or whatever, does not equate to salvation.

It does not for Christianity means Christ likeness and to become like Christ means to be saved hence salvation.

And that God Most High has gave us the grace and power and gift and example of Christ for us to be like Him, hence our salvation.

Thus, the bible is about being like Christ, if other counsels are not enough.

paxonel:

But that doesn't mean they are saved simply because they changed from their wrong doing
Hence, the reason why i asked the question, at what time do we start having Christians?

Change from doing wrong is the beginning of the road to salvation. Change from doing wrong is the A,.B,C, to the X,Y,Z of being saved.

Which is why I changed your question and answered "When you are "like Christ" and your world, whether muslim o or atheists o or churchgoer o, will definitely change. And All the things that you are used to will truly pass and you will be in a new world you never knew and then you are start knowing God's plans and God's Mind. This is the S,T,U,V W,X, Y, Z part

To be christ like means one who does no wrong.

paxonel:

see this one, why cares about pastors?

You are finding it difficult to distinguish between a Christian and a non Christian why will you not say this confused statement?

The op also made the same confusion up there that's why he can't answer my question.

And you want to help him answer but you end up mixing up in confusion

I thought you were the pastor Chrisian who used to post pastor chris said messages here. But no wahala.

chatinent:


Why will heaven be upgraded when the sin only happens on earth?

Go check it. Heaven and earth are twins which is why Christ Said "whatever is boun/ loosed on earth is bound/loosed in heaven". Thus, whatever is done on earth is done in heaven and man has corrupted the earth with sin as you have said, thus, heaven is corrupted also.

Therefore, to have a clean slate both must die and a fresh shiny clean one, remade.

Dtruthspeaker:


Go check it. Heaven and earth are twins which is why Christ Said "whatever is boun/ loosed on earth is bound/loosed in heaven". Thus, whatever is done on earth is done in heaven and man has corrupted the earth with sin as you have said, thus, heaven is corrupted also.

Therefore, to have a clean slate both must die and a fresh shiny clean one, remade.

Die, how? Was heaven unclean before?

In Noah's day, when God said he'll destroy the earth, he meant the evil in the earth. How is it any different from what will happen?