TenQ:


Please how has this got to do with evolution?

Fact that ants don't speak doesn't mean they don't communicate.

Go learn about evolution. It will help you evolve understanding.

TenQ:

Show me the engineering principles you have used. QED!

What engineering principles did the ants use?

Dtruthspeaker:


Sorry. I just wanted you people to have a shot. of your daggers. But i am not arguing about geography and what people say, i am just pointing out that Truth is indisputably what everyone sees and can see/experience.

And there is no valid argument against Truth

We know how limiting our 5 senses are. Limiting truth to something "everyone sees" isn't only misleading, but also very inaccurate.

TenQ:

At least you are coming closer: they have an influence that is extraterrestrial to them.
LOL!

Yes, it’s the Great Ant that created the Great Flowerpot.

KnownUnknown:


Yes, it’s the Great Ant that created the Great Flowerpot.

LOL!
At least you've woken up

Wilgrea7:



We know how limiting our 5 senses are. Limiting truth to something "everyone sees" isn't only misleading, but also very inaccurate.

Isn't this exactly what you atheists do?

LordReed:


What engineering principles did the ants use?

You tell me!?
I forgot that they never went to school of Engineering! My bad!!
They didn't use any principle o: dumb insectz

budaatum:


Fact that ants don't speak doesn't mean they don't communicate.

Go learn about evolution. It will help you evolve understanding.

Of course they communicate no one disputes about that.

Chemical trails can contain lots of information isn't it? Some of the Information is like with a megaphone to broadcast information over thousands of ants at the same time. This would be useful in coordinating thousands of Ants

TenQ:

Of course they communicate no one disputes about that.

Chemical trails can contain lots of information isn't it? Some of the Information is like with a megaphone to broadcast information over thousands of ants at the same time. This would be useful in coordinating thousands of Ants

Good to see your understanding increase. Let me know when you've learnt some about evolution and how it enables the ant to do what ants do.

TenQ:

You should first have answered my question as Intelligently as you could.

1. If you find a computer-like object on Mars, would you attribute it's existence to self evolution from Mars or extraterrestrial to Mars?

I already addressed this false dichotomy you're trying to push here.

2. Do we sometimes see order in entropy, Yes! Why? Entropy is not yet maximum. Therefore every order will in future vanish: this is the law of entropy simplified. Is it possible for entropy to decrease by itself?
NO!

Whether order vanishes in the future or not does not negate the fact that an increase in entropy sometimes gives rise to order, and that order, is the opposite of chaos, not intelligence, which was the point I was trying to make.

3. I asked you a question about common sense not a question about truth. The Truth imply that you are certain of the origin of the computer-like object on Mars. If the name Hp or Dell was written on the computer-like device you can say with a fair amount of certainty that it was manufactured on planet earth by Hewlett Packard or Dell.
Again, you found some computer-like devices on Mars, what would your common sense tell you about it's origin?

Again, finding objects like that would raise lots of questions, and the resulting answer will depend on a lot of things, like the nature of the objects, as well as other information we have on it. In the absence of proper information, "I don't know" might be the most logical answer.

You're trying to force an answer based on a lack of information. That's not common sense. That's ignorance.

4. I agree that Consciousness is still largely a mystery to us BUT as Christians will attribute it to Extraterrestrial Source, you atheists attribute it to a self evolving property of matter.

Firstly, that's a misrepresentation of atheism. Secondly, that's another false dichotomy, and thirdly, those are answers based on a lack of information.

5. If the Hp and Dell computer-like devices on Mars conclude that they self evolved over billions of years in Mars: do you think their response is a rational conclusion?

Wrong comparison, but no, I would not consider their response rational. I also consider the assumption that hypothetical sentient "computers" on mars would arrive at such conclusions equally irrational.

TenQ:

Isn't this exactly what you atheists do?

again, a misrepresentation of atheism

TenQ:

LOL!
At least you've woken up

All praises due to Ant. You need to wake up and stop being a slave to Hebrew nonsense.

Wilgrea7:

We know how limiting our 5 senses are. Limiting truth to something "everyone sees" isn't only misleading, but also very inaccurate.

Respectfully, you are talking rubbish. For when your senses tell you that it is cold, you go to carry your sweater or some other thing you can use to warm.yourself or when you see a Dangote truck dangerously barreling down towards.you, if you are normal, you definitely are goiing to get out of its way.

Thus, it is immaterial that the truck did not squash you, however you already know the undisputable Truth that you would be greatly harmed if a Dangote truck crushes you and you acted on it.

So obviously as I have once told you before, the essence of our learning and argument aa Christians is for us acquire a sweet and profitable and safe living. It is not a mere and vain exercise of "i can think endlessly" (philosophy) which is obviously what you are interested in doing. And this is the point where no Christian will pass for even normal reasonable people stop there which is why everyone calls philosophers, mad people, for obviously, they don't know that they should stop.

Dtruthspeaker:


Respectfully, you are talking rubbish. For when your senses tell you that it is cold, you go to carry your sweater or some other thing you can use to warm.yourself or when you see a Dangote truck dangerously barreling down towards.you, if you are normal, you definitely are goiing to get out of its way.

Thus, it is immaterial that the truck did not squash you, however you already know the undisputable Truth that you would be greatly harmed if a Dangote truck crushes you and you acted on it.

So obviously as I have once told you before, the essence of our learning and argument aa Christians is for us acquire a sweet and profitable and safe living. It is not a mere and vain exercise of "i can think endlessly" (philosophy) which is obviously what you are interested in doing. And this is the point where no Christian will pass for even normal reasonable people stop there which is why everyone calls philosophers, mad people.

You've given spectacularly terrible examples. I never said our 5 senses are always wrong. I said they are limiting.

Your 5 senses can tell you when there's a truck heading towards you.. sure.. but they don't tell you everything, and they are not always accurate.

If you're in a room with carbon monoxide, none of your 5 senses will tell you anything. Yet you'd be slowly dying at the hands of a dangerous gas you know nothing about.

Your 5 sense analogy is incredibly flawed.. and if your definition of truth is based on them alone, then you'll end up grossly ignorant about a lot of things.

TenQ:

You tell me!?
I forgot that they never went to school of Engineering! My bad!!
They didn't use any principle o: dumb insectz

You are the one calling their actions engineering wisdom so the question needs to be answered by you.

Wilgrea7:


You've given spectacularly terrible examples. I never said our 5 senses are always wrong. I said they are limiting.

Your 5 senses can tell you when there's a truck heading towards you.. sure.. but they don't tell you everything, and they are not always accurate.

If you're in a room with carbon monoxide, none of your 5 senses will tell you anything. Yet you'd be slowly dying at the hands of a dangerous gas you know nothing about.

Your 5 sense analogy is incredibly flawed.. and if your definition of truth is based on them alone, then you'll end up grossly ignorant about a lot of things.

Including the most simplest of things like the use of square roots.

Wilgrea7:

Your 5 senses can tell you when there's a truck heading towards you.. sure.. but they don't tell you everything, and they are not always accurate....

What everything are you looking for? Is it the color or height or the date of birth of the driver? Or are the manufacturing date of the rushing truck? Or wether the driver is married or not before you act on the Truth and get out of its way?

You are Just being plain absurd. You surely won't be living if you yourself had followed through with your rule of "search for everything accuracy".

So, even you yourself.do not do what you say others, should do. And that is the flaw and wickedness of you atheists.

Dtruthspeaker:


What everything are you looking for? Is it the color or height or the date of birth of the driver? Or are the manufacturing date of the rushing truck? Or wether the driver is married or not before you act on the Truth and get out of its way?

You are Just being plain absurd. You surely won't be living if you yourself had followed through with your rule of "search for everything accuracy".

So, even you yourself.do not do what you say others, should do. And that is the flaw and wickedness of you atheists.

I genuinely don't know if this intellectual dishonesty is intentional, or if it's something you are just prone to by default.

I gave you a clear example of a situation where the 5 senses would not be accurate, and you decided to go off on a tangent and talk about "everything" in a situation where your logic would not apply.

If you're not willing to have honest discussions, then just say so. This selective quoting and tangental strawmans are tiring

Dtruthspeaker:


As I told you the destination is God The Creator of all the things we have seen and experienced in this world.

So, you are out of line when you start going beyond God enquiring into things we have never seen nor known.

So you are over reaching and going beyond the area and scope of argument.

So God is the Answer and that is where every valid argument stops.

This amounts to working to a predetermined and already concluded answer.

TenQ:

Ants dummy!

We were talking computer programming


Are you aware that in computer programming, we write some programs that self destructs after it has executed it's task?
Is this stupidity or wisdom in programming ?

ok, so how does thsy correlate with ants?

Wilgrea7:


I genuinely don't know if this intellectual dishonesty is intentional, or if it's something you are just prone to by default.

You know I always fight you for not knowing what is obvious. In fact, I want to come off my ass and kick yours for not knowing what is obvious because I know you are much smarter than to not know.

What stops me is recognition of you not just writing him off which I very highly commend you for because it requires intelligence which you have in abundance.

I want to be wise and smart like you when I grow up!

budaatum:


Good to see your understanding increase. Let me know when you've learnt some about evolution and how it enables the ant to do what ants do.

You tell me how knowledge is transmitted through evolution.
I await your wisdom and lecture

Wilgrea7:


again, a misrepresentation of atheism

Atheists don't do anything then: they are passive blind lookers!

I wasn't defining atheism : atheists can't even define themselves successfully!

KnownUnknown:


All praises due to Ant. You need to wake up and stop being a slave to Hebrew nonsense.

Hate or
Refusal to know or
Denial of knowledge
etc
Doesn't change reality!

LordReed:


You are the one calling their actions engineering wisdom so the question needs to be answered by you.

I am agreeing with you dude


I forgot that Ants never went to school of Engineering! My bad!!

TenQ:

Hate or
Refusal to know or
Denial of knowledge
etc
Doesn't change reality!

Exactly. That’s why your views are nonsensical and antithetical to reality.

TenQ:

You tell me how knowledge is transmitted through evolution.
I await your wisdom and lecture

TenQ, before you can qualify to sit in my class and be lectured by me, you must have shown some knowledge of evolution which you clearly haven't. You haven't ever even shown you can understand my lectures, and whatever knowledge I might have been transmitting has not ever been received by you.

Please don't wait. Instead, go and learn about evolution. And I mean read a good book on the subject, then come to be lectured by buda once you have qualified to learn and evolve.

KnownUnknown:


Exactly. That’s why your views are nonsensical and antithetical to reality.

LOL!
It's just a claim you've made : and it is very empty!

budaatum:


TenQ, before you can qualify to sit in my class and be lectured by me, you must have shown some knowledge of evolution which you clearly haven't. You haven't ever even shown you can understand my lectures, and whatever knowledge I might have been transmitting has not ever been received by you.

Please don't wait. Instead, go and learn about evolution. And I mean read a good book on the subject, then come to be lectured by buda once you have qualified to learn and evolve.

Professor Emeritus
See how "pompously" you carry yourself.

Just a small question, he has to first throw his baba Riga!


You tell me how engineering knowledge is transmitted through evolution. QED!

TenQ:

Professor Emeritus
See how "pompously" you carry yourself.

Just a small question, he has to first throw his baba Riga!


You tell me how engineering knowledge is transmitted through evolution. QED!

I don't believe I'm being pompous enough as far as lowly tq is concerned.

You have not earned the right to have any knowledge transmitted by me considering you have not done the homework you've been given in this thread nor shown the ability to converse intelligently enough to learn from me in any of our past engagements. Or would you like to claim to have clicked and read the links I've posted?

You would not stand in front of your god and demand it give you answers to your prayers so what makes you think you must demand from buda what you don't deserve to be given?

TenQ:

I am agreeing with you dude


I forgot that Ants never went to school of Engineering! My bad!!

Well glad you dismantled your own argument.

budaatum:


I don't believe I'm being pompous enough as far as lowly tq is concerned.

You have not earned the right to have any knowledge transmitted by me considering you have not done the homework you've been given in this thread nor shown the ability to converse intelligently enough to learn from me in any of our past engagements. Or would you like to claim to have clicked and read the links I've posted?

You would not stand in front of your god and demand it give you answers to your prayers so what makes you think you must demand from buda what you don't deserve to be given?

You are a big self disappointment : you used to be wiser than this before.
What happened to you?
Has someone else cloned or impasinated you!?


Sorry!