LordReed:


Well glad you dismantled your own argument.

Cry cry baby boo hoo!

Good night!

TenQ:

You are a big self disappointment : you used to be wiser than this before.
What happened to you?
Has someone else cloned or impasinated you!?

Sorry!

I delight in your disappointment tq. I don't expect any less considering, so you need be sorry for yourself.

budaatum:


I delight in your disappointment tq. I don't expect any less considering, so you need be sorry for yourself.

Sorry!
This isn't you!

TenQ:

Cry cry baby boo hoo!

Good night!

LoLz! Super powered projection, sad. Bwahahahahaha!

budaatum:


You know I always fight you for not knowing what is obvious. In fact, I want to come off my ass and kick yours for not knowing what is obvious because I know you are much smarter than to not know.

What stops me is recognition of you not just writing him off which I very highly commend you for because it requires intelligence which you have in abundance.

I want to be wise and smart like you when I grow up!

Apologies Sir.. sometimes I can't help but marvel

TenQ:

Atheists don't do anything then: they are passive blind lookers!

I wasn't defining atheism : atheists can't even define themselves successfully!

Atheists are simply people who lack the belief in a god. That's about it.

You've said atheists are passive blind lookers, or that they rely solely on their 5 senses, which is so completely false, I'm amazed at how you arrived at such a conclusion.

While some atheists are materialists, even materialism is not relegated to just the 5 senses. So i genuinely have no idea where you're getting these notions from.

Dtruthspeaker:


As I told you the destination is God The Creator of all the things we have seen and experienced in this world.

👉So, you are out of line when you start going beyond God enquiring into things we have never seen nor known. 👈

👉So you are over reaching and going beyond the area and scope of argument.👈

👉So God is the Answer and that is where every valid argument stops.👈

🙄

Wilgrea7:


Atheists are simply people who lack the belief in a god. That's about it.

You've said atheists are passive blind lookers, or that they rely solely on their 5 senses, which is so completely false, I'm amazed at how you arrived at such a conclusion.

While some atheists are materialists, even materialism is not relegated to just the 5 senses. So i genuinely have no idea where you're getting these notions from.

Like I said:
I wasn't defining atheism : atheists can't even define themselves successfully!

The earlier post was a pun.

You said:
"Atheists are simply people who lack the belief in a god. That's about it."

This definition is nonsensical at best.
To lack a belief is only possible if
1. The concept of "Deity" is far above your intellectual capacity to understand /comprehend
Examples
A Baby can truly be said to lack a belief.

Once a person has an intellectual capacity to hold a opinion, such CANNOT lack a belief on the subject
OR
An Animal CANNOT have a belief on the subject of a Deity.
2. You are unconscious.
3. You are inanimate or a vegetable


Holding any kind of Belief is a function of acting on available information. This information could be right or wrong but it forms the basis for a position to be taken on the basis of probability or likelihood of correctness.

Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

TenQ:

Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

You believe what you lack knowledge on.

Maynman:

You believe what you lack knowledge on.

If you don't know the answer to my question, you needn't just speak for speaking sake.


Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

TenQ:

If you don't know the answer to my question, you needn't just speak for speaking sake.


Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

I don’t think you understand the question you are asking.

Why do you need to believe, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

DeepSight:


This amounts to working to a predetermined and already concluded answer.

Yes it does.

Remember we are the ones who assert that it is God Who created all that we have seen and known which we call the world.

Therefore,the onus and burden was on us to show (prove) by reasonable means,.how this world connects to God.(the destination)

So it is like being asked how we arrived at 7 (God) being the answer in mathematics and we are asked to show the workings (proof) of it.

And we did that, which is where he then commits the wrong of goalposts shifting by asking us how did "7 come about?

Which is wrong because the question is "how do you know that the answer is 7 (God) and how did you arrive at 7 (God)?" And not "how did 7 come about?"

TenQ:
Assignment :
Without the use of machines or any mechanical aid, 10 of you should carry an alligator over the roof of a bungalow from the ground level


Note:
If you are in a hurry, watch the video from 1:45 mark.
It's just brilliant!

I can't just help marvel at my God.
Why?
Look at these ants, their brain is probably 1/(1,000,000) times smaller that my brain, yet they displayed this amazing brilliance in completing a task that many civil engineering students will fail.

These ants,
Their life span is so short - - meaning that not much can be passed down from the wiser ones
They can't speak nor write - - the best they can do is to lay down chemical trails which is at best a mundane way of communicating.
BUT
They just seem to know
They seem to know about organisation
They seem to have a grand purpose
They seem to be highly intelligent


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RkUIGNVY50

What do I see:
Divine Programing by the Source of Life:
1. With Data and Purpose written in
2. With Instructions and Functions
Its a complete AI package written in the biology of the Ant.

If you have any problem with this, buy yourself a cold bottle of water and drink.

My God is amazing and it blows away my little sense.

Ok but can you tell us what Jesus has to do with these ants?

Maynman:

I don’t think you understand the question you are asking.

Why do you need to believe, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

I gave a background.
You deleted/summarised it to a single line of question . Now you are confused about the question




Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

TenQ:

I gave a background.
You deleted/summarised it to a single line of question . Now you are confused about the question




Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

Stop lying, I didn’t delete anything, you cannot comprehend it, you have been indoctrinated with beliefs, you can’t think beyond it.

Why do you need to believe, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

Naijaboy18:

Ok but can you tell us what Jesus has to do with these ants?

I didn't mention the word Jesus up till now.

If you are speaking about the Man Jesus born 2000 years ago, Nothing!

Maynman:

Stop lying, I didn’t delete anything, you cannot comprehend it, you have been indoctrinated with beliefs, you can’t think beyond it.

Why do you need to believe, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

You quoted this from me
Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

Was this the only word I said?

TenQ:

You quoted this from me
Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

Was this the only word I said?

I asked that question in relation to the word atheism.
You are making alot of errors on it.
Whatever you theists define theism is, a-theism is opposite of that.

Maynman:

I asked that question in relation to the word atheism.
You are making alot of errors on it.
Whatever you theists define theism is, a-theism is opposite of that.

Why don't you copy the context content before the question!

Even if i made errors, the question isnt the error: is it?

TenQ:

Why don't you copy the context content before the question!

Even if i made errors, the question isnt the error: is it?

You asked a question and I answered.


Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

And i said why do you need to believe in anything?
You believe what you lack knowledge on!

Wilgrea7:


Atheists are simply people who lack the belief in a god. That's about it.

That's not about it! Sorry. Though I understand it's simplification for TenQ.

Some atheists lack the ability to believe, and don't have beliefs because they can do the work to ensure they know that there are and have never been gods that haven't been created by we humans.

See teacher Mayn teach it better.

Maynman:

I don’t think you understand the question you are asking.

Why do you need to believe, you believe what you lack knowledge on.

Maynman:

You asked a question and I answered.


Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

And i said why do you need to believe in anything?
You believe what you lack knowledge on!

Is this the answer to the question?


If it is , then i will surely answer you question when you present it again

TenQ:

Is this the answer to the question?


If it is , then i will surely answer you question when you present it again

Whatever.

Wilgrea7:

I genuinely don't know if this intellectual dishonesty is intentional, or if it's something you are just prone to by default.

You are the one who is being dishonest in your attempt to deny the Truth and the obvious by raising things not in issue at all.

Wilgrea7:

I gave you a clear example of a situation where the 5 senses would not be accurate, and you decided to go off on a tangent and talk about "everything" in a situation where your logic would not apply..

"Example" meaning you made a point which your example is supporting. And your point was about "but they don't tell you everything, and they are not always accurate." which is what I addressed for you to see the fall of your thinking if applied,

And by your carbonmonoxide example where you said "I never said our 5 senses are always wrong. I said they are limiting.", I never said anything about the 5 senses being always right and unlimited.

You brought it all up to be a distraction from theissue and a derailment because you had nothing reasonable to say after my answer.

So you are the one who went off tangent and dishonestly denying even that which everyone with a working eye and a normal mind in the world, can see and process.

As I have tseverally told you, everything is wrong with you. You need repair.

Maynman:

Whatever.

Whatever.

budaatum:


That's not about it! Sorry. Though I understand it's simplification for TenQ.

Some atheists lack the ability to believe, and don't have beliefs because they can do the work to ensure they know that there are and have never been gods that haven't been created by we humans.

See teacher Mayn teach it better.

1. Is it true that A Baby can truly be said to lack a belief.
WHY or WHY NOT?
2. Is it true that An Animal CANNOT have a belief on the subject of a Deity.
WHY or WHY NOT?
3. Is it true that Once a person has an intellectual capacity to hold a opinion, such CANNOT lack a belief on the subject
WHY or WHY NOT?
4. Apart from the subject of Deity or God/gods, give me an example of something else you lack a belief in and state WHY you lack a belief? in such?

Thanks

TenQ:

Holding any kind of Belief is a function of acting on available information.

Not true. Some are more diligent in their asking and knocking and seeking and so dig further than "available information" and find knowledge. Some dig even deeper and find a thing called wisdom.

TenQ:

This information could be right or wrong but it forms the basis for a position to be taken on the basis of probability or likelihood of correctness.

The more diligent asker knøcker seeker does not accumulate "wrong information" nor would they let "wrong information" be any part of what form the basis of their probability or likelihood of correctness

The asker knøcker seeker has learnt the ability to separate wheat from chaff so that "wrong information" is no part of any beliefs they may choose to hold if any, much less their understanding of anything. They would not illidiligently and lazily let chaff be any basis of any information they consider believing.

TenQ:
Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

The reason for any LACK of Belief in a Deity is that after having diligently studied, as in, asked and knocked and sought through all the information one has found through diligent digging over decades of separating the wheat from the chaff, the "basis of the probability or likelihood of correctness" of there being gods is absolutely nil and it would be absurd to believe in the existence of things one has no evidence for when one can seek understanding instead.

The thing with you tenq is you don't understand what you just read and wouldn't do the work to try to understand it. What's sad is, you don't see we see you. The delights is you'll live long enough to evolve.

TenQ:

1. Is it true that A Baby can truly be said to lack a belief.
WHY or WHY NOT?

First, I do not appreciate your wuruwuru "truly". You put it there because you struggled.

Pretty early in a baby's arrival on earth and its engagement with the new environment it finds itself in, a certain shift from unconsciousness to consciousness occurs and the baby has to start shifting through the good and bad information it receives, and forms beliefs on most because it hasn't the intellectual capacity to know.

Children do it too. They believe because they do not yet know. But as they grow and accumulate more information and learn to separate the right from wrong, they usually evolve understanding and know.

TenQ:
2. Is it true that An Animal CANNOT have a belief on the subject of a Deity.
WHY or WHY NOT?

Animals have not, to the best of my knowledge, shown the intellectual capacity to have formed a "subject of a deity" to believe in. Animals may respond to thunder and lightening in the same deific way that early humans who did deify things did, but no evidence of animals worshipping deities have come to my attention.

TenQ:

3. Is it true that Once a person has an intellectual capacity to hold a opinion, such CANNOT lack a belief on the subject
WHY or WHY NOT?

Depends on intellectual utilization. A person may have utilized their intellectual capacity to hold an opinion which is a belief. Another may have utilized their intellectual capacity only enough to lack belief. While another person may have utilized their intellectual capacity to hold a opinion which is based on actual knowledge. Capacity, does after all not mean it was used, as we see with the lazy.

TenQ:
4. Apart from the subject of Deity or God/gods, give me an example of something else you lack a belief in and state WHY you lack a belief? in such?
Thanks

I don't believe the earth is flat because I know the earth is not flat.

TenQ:


4. Apart from the subject of Deity or God/gods, give me an example of something else you lack a belief in and state WHY you lack a belief? in such?

Thanks

I lack the belief that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups because I do not have sufficient knowledge to form such a belief.

Cc: budaatum

LordReed:


I lack the belief that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups because I do not have sufficient knowledge to form such a belief.

You have tried. At least better than Buda and Mainman.

There exist just FOUR Possible positions anyone can take
1. Position of Perfect Knowing
Examples :
*I know that 2+16=18
*I know that Bola Ahmed Tinubu is the President of Nigeria
This is a position of certainty. You don't even need to believe because you know

2. Position of Positive Imperfect Knowledge
Examples :
*I believe that Nigeria would still be great
*I belief that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups
*I believe in one Deity
This position of belief is positive because you have reasons based on your limited knowledge to take such an optimistic position

3. Position of Negative Imperfect Knowledge
Examples :
*I do NOT believe that the Nigerian Judiciary is impartial
*I do NOT believe that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups
*I do not believe in ANY Deity

This position of belief is negative because you have reasons based on your limited knowledge to take such a negative optimistic position

4. Position of Ignorance and lack of Knowledge
Examples :
*I lack a belief that the planet Jumongo's core contain molten iron
*I lack a belief that the square root of 865,234,638,124,879,007 gives the surface area of Pluto in meter square.


The position of ignorance does not take any position positive or negative. He just doesn't have enough knowledge or information to believe or disbelieve a position. This one is a position of PERFECT AGNOSTICISM!

Like , With respect to Religion or Deities,
*A Baby is a perfect Agnostics
*A dog is a Perfect Agnostics
With respect to Science
The uneducated Farmer in the village is perfectly agnostic to believing that the Equation E=mc^2 is a True statement.


The problem with even those who call themselves Agnostics is that they have taken a NON-NEUTRAL position BY taking a position of knowledge.



You said :
I lack the belief that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups because I do not have sufficient knowledge to form such a belief.
If this was true, then you cannot argue FOR or AGAINST the fact that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups

Once you take ANY position, it means you actually have sufficient knowledge to take take such position.

budaatum:

First, I do not appreciate your wuruwuru "truly". You put it there because you struggled.

Pretty early in a baby's arrival on earth and its engagement with the new environment it finds itself in, a certain shift from unconsciousness to consciousness occurs and the baby has to start shifting through the good and bad information it receives, and forms beliefs on most because it hasn't the intellectual capacity to know.

Children do it too. They believe because they do not yet know. But as they grow and accumulate more information and learn to separate the right from wrong, they usually evolve understanding and know.

Babies lack the intellectual capacity to have or not have a Believe in any Deity. Hence they can be said to lack a belief in Deities.

budaatum:

Animals have not, to the best of my knowledge, shown the intellectual capacity to have formed a "subject of a deity" to believe in. Animals may respond to thunder and lightening in the same deific way that early humans who did deify things did, but no evidence of animals worshipping deities have come to my attention.

Animals lack the capacity to comprehend the abstract knowledge of Deity. Thus Animals truly Lack a belief I. DEITIES

budaatum:

Depends on intellectual utilization. A person may have utilized their intellectual capacity to hold an opinion which is a belief. Another may have utilized their intellectual capacity only enough to lack belief. While another person may have utilized their intellectual capacity to hold a opinion which is based on actual knowledge. Capacity, does after all not mean it was used, as we see with the lazy.

Both Babies and Animals lack the intellectual capacity to hold a opinion on Deities , thus they LACK a belief on the subject

You Buda on the other hand has an intellectual capacity to hold an opinion on Deities therefore you CANNOT lack a belief on the subject of Deities.

Is it untrue that you have the intellectual capacity to hold a position on Deities AND you have taken your own position on it?

If it is true, you do not LACK a belief about deities!

budaatum:

I don't believe the earth is flat because I know the earth is not flat.