TenQ:

Have you ever heard that God is the sole Creator of everything?
And that God is a Living Being?
And that God is self Existing?

This is the concept of God! You don't have to agree with it as that wasn't the question


Back to the Question!
1. You understand the concept of God as the Creator of everything

No I don't.

LordReed:


No I don't.

Only a Liar or an incredibly dumb adult will not understand this concept.

You have conveniently put yourself in one of these two categories!

TenQ:

Only a Liar or an incredibly dumb adult will not understand this concept.

You have conveniently put yourself in one of these two categories!

I don't understand what a god is so I don't understand how it has any attributes or performs any actions. You can either choose to engage me based on that or believe it indicates anything you like.

LordReed:


I don't understand what a god is so I don't understand how it has any attributes or performs any actions. You can either choose to engage me based on that or believe it indicates anything you like.

Too bad you don't understand this and you are 99% of the time wasting everyones time on the Religious section of Nairaland. Have you ever thought of this? What are you doing here?

Is there need for further explanation?


And that's why I said:
Only a Liar or an incredibly dumb adult will not understand this concept.

TenQ:

Too bad you don't understand this and you are 99% of the time wasting everyones time on the Religious section of Nairaland. Have you ever thought of this? What are you doing here?

Is there need for further explanation?


And that's why I said:
Only a Liar or an incredibly dumb adult will not understand this concept.

I posted links to show you this is a recent development. Going forward however my discussions on the subject will be very limited.

You can view it anyway you wish.

LordReed:


I posted links to show you this is a recent development. Going forward however my discussions on the subject will be very limited.

You can view it anyway you wish.

Of course!
If you don't understand the concept of God as most theists define him as primarily the Creator, it is either you are being Dishonest, a Liar or incredibly Dumb.

But you understand the definition of Atheism!

Have your pick!

TenQ:

Of course!
If you don't understand the concept of God as most theists define him as primarily the Creator, it is either you are being Dishonest, a Liar or incredibly Dumb.

But you understand the definition of Atheism!

Have your pick!

LoLz. Yes even such concepts as atheism take on a strange hue when the question of what a god is cannot be resolved.

TenQ:

Of course!
If you don't understand the concept of God as most theists define him as primarily the Creator, it is either you are being Dishonest, a Liar or incredibly Dumb.

But you understand the definition of Atheism!

Have your pick!

Most theists don’t use the word “god”.
Do you worship allah?
God and allah means same thing.

LordReed:


LoLz. Yes even such concepts as atheism take on a strange hue when the question of what a god is cannot be resolved.

You understand the definition of Atheism!
But you don't understand what your disbelieving is about!?


Just see yourself caught like a lizard in a net!

TenQ:

But you understand the definition of Atheism!

The “A” in Atheism means Without. Complete it.

TenQ:


You understand the definition of Atheism!

Funny thing is theism comes from theos, what are theos.
The “A” in Atheism means Without. Complete it.

Start with this.
https://www.nairaland.com/7782988/theos-101the-concept-god

LordReed:


LoLz. Yes even such concepts as atheism take on a strange hue when the question of what a god is cannot be resolved.

LoLz, confused lots that can't even define human and gender again, na God you go define and resolve. Dey play.

LordReed:


I don't understand what a god is so I don't understand how it has any attributes or performs any actions. You can either choose to engage me based on that or believe it indicates anything you like.

The biggest fool has defined God with his mouth and writings, God didn't fit into his definition, therefore there is no God.

Image123:


The biggest fool has defined God with his mouth and writings, God didn't fit into his definition, therefore there is no God.

You can see how Dishonest these people are. Atheism cannot be defined without God and yet this people say they don't understand the concept of God!

So, its either they are being Dishonest, Liars or incredibly Dumb.

TenQ:


You understand the definition of Atheism!
But you don't understand what your disbelieving is about!?


Just see yourself caught like a lizard in a net!

Lemme make it clearer for you since my grammar was too complicated for you. If we cannot resolve what a god is then the question of what an atheist is is similarly unravelled, it becomes a meaningless label in short (at least for me). Do you get it now? LoLz.

TenQ:

You can see how Dishonest these people are. Atheism cannot be defined without God and yet this people say they don't understand the concept of God!

So, its either they are being Dishonest, Liars or incredibly Dumb.

LoLz. You didn't consider that in now means I no longer will use that label did you? Bwahahahahaha.

TenQ:

You can see how Dishonest these people are. Atheism cannot be defined without God and yet this people say they don't understand the concept of God!

So, its either they are being Dishonest, Liars or incredibly Dumb.

They are dishonest liars like devil their father. It's obvious.

Image123:


They are dishonest liars like devil their father. It's obvious.

Finally, you see that most atheists are devils. When they can not logically answer or defend their case, they start lying and twisting and sneakily try to change the argument (changing post) to another separate issue.

Very dishonest people.

Okay Jesus created the ants and his father Yahweh programmed it @OP

Happy now?

Dtruthspeaker:


Finally, you see that most atheists are devils. When they can not logically answer or defend their case, they start lying and twisting and sneakily try to change the argument (changing post) to another separate issue.

Very dishonest people.

Image123:

Do you know the word devil is a metaphor, you are the devil, you are also the God.
You are it.

LordReed:


Lemme make it clearer for you since my grammar was too complicated for you. If we cannot resolve what a god is then the question of what an atheist is is similarly unravelled, it becomes a meaningless label in short (at least for me). Do you get it now? LoLz.

You can't resolve what God is, yet the definition of who you claim to be cannot be resolved without this Same God.

Who then are you fooling?

Can you define atheism without mentioning the word God?

LordReed:


LoLz. You didn't consider that in now means I no longer will use that label did you? Bwahahahahaha.

So what label are you labelled with and what is the proper definition?

Waiting!!!!!

Image123:


They are dishonest liars like devil their father. It's obvious.

Of course!

It pains them that a faceless identity on Nairaland can deflate the definition of Atheism as a Lack of Belief in a Deity!

Their only option rather than admitting the truth is to behave like their father the devil

Hardy123:
Okay Jesus created the ants and his father Yahweh programmed it @OP

Happy now?

Humble yourself and think: don't be misled by atheist professors of science who cannot even define who a woman is

TenQ:

So what label are you labelled with and what is the proper definition?

Waiting!!!!!

Ignostic.

LordReed:


Ignostic.

Ignostic!?

Please what is your accepted proper definition of an Ignostic?

TenQ:

Ignostic!?

Please what is your accepted proper definition of an Ignostic?

Here you go.

LordReed:


Here you go.

Everything started with the definition of ATHEIST/ATHEISM

TenQ:

Like I said:
I wasn't defining atheism : atheists can't even define themselves successfully!

The earlier post was a pun.

You said:
"Atheists are simply people who lack the belief in a god. That's about it."

This definition is nonsensical at best.
To lack a belief is only possible if
1. The concept of "Deity" is far above your intellectual capacity to understand /comprehend
Examples
A Baby can truly be said to lack a belief.

Once a person has an intellectual capacity to hold a opinion, such CANNOT lack a belief on the subject
OR
An Animal CANNOT have a belief on the subject of a Deity.
2. You are unconscious.
3. You are inanimate or a vegetable


Holding any kind of Belief is a function of acting on available information. This information could be right or wrong but it forms the basis for a position to be taken on the basis of probability or likelihood of correctness.

Do you have ANY good reason for your LACK of Belief in a Deity?

This lead to further questioning and assertions by me to prove the nonsensical definition of Atheism.

TenQ:

1. Is it true that A Baby can truly be said to lack a belief.
WHY or WHY NOT?
2. Is it true that An Animal CANNOT have a belief on the subject of a Deity.
WHY or WHY NOT?
3. Is it true that Once a person has an intellectual capacity to hold a opinion, such CANNOT lack a belief on the subject
WHY or WHY NOT?
4. Apart from the subject of Deity or God/gods, give me an example of something else you lack a belief in and state WHY you lack a belief? in such?

Thanks

Question 4 was where you jumped in with your Arsenal and UEFA cup illustration.

TenQ:
Cc: budaatum


You have tried. At least better than Buda and Mainman.

There exist just FOUR Possible positions anyone can take
1. Position of Perfect Knowing
Examples :
*I know that 2+16=18
*I know that Bola Ahmed Tinubu is the President of Nigeria
This is a position of certainty. You don't even need to believe because you know

2. Position of Positive Imperfect Knowledge
Examples :
*I believe that Nigeria would still be great
*I belief that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups
*I believe in one Deity
This position of belief is positive because you have reasons based on your limited knowledge to take such an optimistic position

3. Position of Negative Imperfect Knowledge
Examples :
*I do NOT believe that the Nigerian Judiciary is impartial
*I do NOT believe that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups
*I do not believe in ANY Deity

This position of belief is negative because you have reasons based on your limited knowledge to take such a negative optimistic position

4. Position of Ignorance and lack of Knowledge
Examples :
*I lack a belief that the planet Jumongo's core contain molten iron
*I lack a belief that the square root of 865,234,638,124,879,007 gives the surface area of Pluto in meter square.


The position of ignorance does not take any position positive or negative. He just doesn't have enough knowledge or information to believe or disbelieve a position. This one is a position of PERFECT AGNOSTICISM!

Like , With respect to Religion or Deities,
*A Baby is a perfect Agnostics
*A dog is a Perfect Agnostics
With respect to Science
The uneducated Farmer in the village is perfectly agnostic to believing that the Equation E=mc^2 is a True statement.


The problem with even those who call themselves Agnostics is that they have taken a NON-NEUTRAL position BY taking a position of knowledge.



You said :
I lack the belief that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups because I do not have sufficient knowledge to form such a belief.
If this was true, then you cannot argue FOR or AGAINST the fact that Arsenal will win both the UEFA and English Premiership Cups

Once you take ANY position, it means you actually have sufficient knowledge to take take such position.

Only for you to come up with a New definition of who you are as an Ignostics.

Remember that I said that
I wasn't defining atheism : atheists can't even define themselves successfully!

This is another instance of it.

Now, as an Ignostic (another self delusion)
1. Lack of Belief that "the Creator and Designer of the Universe is a Coherently" defined phrase
2. That modern religionists do NOT believe in any Deity BUT only have an illusion that they do
3. That Modern Atheists do NOT Disbelieve in any Deity nor even Lack a belief in Deities but only have an illusion that they do.


Before I help you tear down the illogically of this your definition,
Is this set of statements about you now correct AND you accept that my argument against Atheism had been correct all along?


Cc: budaatum

TenQ:


Everything started with the definition of ATHEIST/ATHEISM


This lead to further questioning and assertions by me to prove the nonsensical definition of Atheism.



Question 4 was where you jumped in with your Arsenal and UEFA cup illustration.

Only for you to come up with a New definition of who you are as an Ignostics.

Remember that I said that
I wasn't defining atheism : atheists can't even define themselves successfully!

This is another instance of it.

Now, as an Ignostic (another self delusion)
1. Lack of Belief that "the Creator and Designer of the Universe is a Coherently" defined phrase
2. That modern religionists do NOT believe in any Deity BUT only have an illusion that they do
3. That Modern Atheists do NOT Disbelieve in any Deity nor even Lack a belief in Deities but only have an illusion that they do.


Before I help you tear down the illogically of this your definition,
Is this set of statements about you now correct AND you accept that my argument against Atheism had been correct all along?


Cc: budaatum

The statements about my position as an Ignostic are correct but still doesn't give credence to your argument against atheism. The atheist is not taking a position based on sufficient knowledge.

LordReed:


The statements about my position as an Ignostic are correct but still doesn't give credence to your argument against atheism. The atheist is not taking a position based on sufficient knowledge.

Do you think it makes sense to defend the position of people you consider as delusional (Illusion of disbelief)!?


"3. That Modern Atheists do NOT Disbelieve in any Deity nor even Lack a belief in Deities but only have an illusion that they do."

TenQ:

Do you think it makes sense to defend the position of people you consider as delusional (Illusion of disbelief)!?


"3. That Modern Atheists do NOT Disbelieve in any Deity nor even Lack a belief in Deities but only have an illusion that they do."

I don't consider them delusional since they aren't believing in the illusion, you are delusional when you believe an illusion is real.

I am not defending their position so much as showing that some of your statements are factually incorrect and incongruent with reality.