ivandragon:
On the surface, this looks good. But does it really address the root problem(s)?

CNG is cheaper now because there is no high demand. What happens when every one switches to CNG, including the neighbouring countries that the FG said made subsidy on pms unsustainable?

What happens when those countries start smuggling the 'cheaper' alternative?

What now happens when CNG prices start rising to meet up with PMS levels?

naptu2:


Previous threads:

Qore Sparks Nigerian Electric Vehicle Revolution To Life.
https://www.nairaland.com/7807497/qore-sparks-nigerian-electric-vehicle

Meet Mustapha Gajibo Who Converts Petrol Cars To Electric Cars In Borno.
https://www.nairaland.com/7721251/meet-mustapha-gajibo-converts-petrol

Innoson Produces CNG Vehicles, Asks Nigerians To Say Bye To Petrol
https://www.nairaland.com/7720173/innoson-produces-cng-vehicles-asks

All You Need To Know About The Lagos Electric BRT (Photos And Videos)
https://www.nairaland.com/7721928/all-need-know-lagos-electric

Ogun Converts Public Buses From Diesel To CNG
https://www.nairaland.com/7779074/ogun-converts-public-buses-diesel

Ogun State To Provide Electric Okada For Public Transportation.
https://www.nairaland.com/7788268/ogun-state-provide-electric-okada

Kenya's Electric Okada (Boda Boda)
https://www.nairaland.com/7806130/kenyas-electric-okada-boda-boda

AareGaa:


I don't care.

Those innonson vehicles are manufactured by BAIC Motors in China.
Innonson cannot manufacture a smallest component in a car.
He should stop lying to himself.

ivandragon:


So, what's your point?

That Electric automobiles are also an option?

That Electric automobiles are cheaper?

That we have stable & reliable electricity supply in Nigeria to drive the Electric automobile industry?

naptu2:


That there are very many options that will compete with each other and make the customer king.

There's solar-electric

There's CNG and LNG

There's petrol (petrol is not going away)

There's diesel

Etc.

Read the threads to see what's actually already happening in these areas.

ivandragon:


What is happening in those areas that we don't already know?

Is the cost of recharging the vehicles going to be truly affordable?

What happens when CNG also starts getting smuggled out of the country?

How affordable are diesel & PMS for the masses at this time?

It is easy to spew out ideas as policies, but if there is no proper planning, implementation & most importantly, fixing the root causes that have led to the NEED for these alternatives, then nothing much will change...

naptu2:


That simply means that you have not read the threads

You are asking about cost of charging, how are commercial drivers charging their electric vehicles in Borno (Oh, you didn't know that there were commercial electric vehicle services in Borno, right? ) how are they doing it in Kano??

It seems like you are not interested in learning. It doesn't take much to click and read what is actually happening (not policy pronouncements, but actions that are being taken by private sector and others).

I don't have time for posturing and that's clearly what you want to do.

Have a great day (I am not going to read your posts again).

Here are the threads again in case you are interested in learning.


Previous threads:

Qore Sparks Nigerian Electric Vehicle Revolution To Life.
https://www.nairaland.com/7807497/qore-sparks-nigerian-electric-vehicle

Meet Mustapha Gajibo Who Converts Petrol Cars To Electric Cars In Borno.
https://www.nairaland.com/7721251/meet-mustapha-gajibo-converts-petrol

Innoson Produces CNG Vehicles, Asks Nigerians To Say Bye To Petrol
https://www.nairaland.com/7720173/innoson-produces-cng-vehicles-asks

All You Need To Know About The Lagos Electric BRT (Photos And Videos)
https://www.nairaland.com/7721928/all-need-know-lagos-electric

Ogun Converts Public Buses From Diesel To CNG
https://www.nairaland.com/7779074/ogun-converts-public-buses-diesel

Ogun State To Provide Electric Okada For Public Transportation.
https://www.nairaland.com/7788268/ogun-state-provide-electric-okada

Kenya's Electric Okada (Boda Boda)
https://www.nairaland.com/7806130/kenyas-electric-okada-boda-boda

JaredH:
I love tinubu

I hate that igbo man called Peter obi with passion..

he will never see asorock chair till he dies

ivandragon:
People like naptu2 like to start what they can't finish.
Imagine that.

You can keep opening restricted threads & mentioning my moniker, I don't have time for that.

GREATESTPIANIST:
I return that curse to you

Helpfromabove1:
Medicine after death

What should have been done before the overzealous removal of subsidy

Even at that this is audio cng , hope it materialize

00FFT00:


Spin doctor. The inadequate soothing balm Tinubu hopes to hoodwink Nigerians with ain't gonna to cut it. The problem with most of you is that you come to Nairaland and talk without knowledge of the caliber of the people you're talking with. I converted my first gas vehicle, an 8-cylinder because gas was not taxed at that time (Gas pressure, Tank specs, Range), therefore 65 percent cheaper than petrol.

Even at that, the conversion variant 95 percent of people chose was LPG, not CNG. There's a reason for that bias, which I do not have the time to go into at this time. If this is to become a good option for Nigeria, it has to be LPG and very specific and elaborate standardization blueprint worked out to police safety of lives. You also need to factor in the cost of conversion and amortization mileage.

What the foregoing means is that gas will not be for most people who will need to benefit from the reduced mobility cost, and certainly not for the current fleet of modern direct injection vehicles. Not on an affordable budget, anyway.

People must also be aware that gas burns at a higher temperature than petrol and does not possess the cooling properties contained in gasoline. The possibility that it will fry the valve seat of some engines sooner than later is a guarantee anyone can take to the bank. There's a reason it died a slow death in affluent European countries and is a no-option in the US.

As for Tinubu, the fact remains, Tinubu and his handlers are now only latching up to this in the aftermath of what is now proven to be his incompetence at managing our motor spirit price politics and, as an afterthought, resultant from Innoson's media appeal. I am also aware that vehicles have been running around Benin City on gas way before now, but a 1 to 1 national adaptation is another kettle of fish. This is simply too much of a drowning man's struggle.

Something tells me this will fail too.

oyatz:



All these Epistles are unnecessary.

Gas powered vehicles has been in operation for over 5 years in Benin City.

If you don't want it, go for petrol powered vehicles, QED.

The FG is gradually removing her hands in Petrol business .

oyatz:



All these Epistles are unnecessary.

Gas powered vehicles has been in operation for over 5 years in Benin City.

If you don't want it, go for petrol powered vehicles, QED.

The FG is gradually removing her hands in Petrol business .

Gluck4cars:
Benin city is being used for a pilot scheme for the introduction of CNG (compressed natural gas) in Nigeria.
There are about 12 filling stations there, and thousands of private and commercial vehicles using CNG.
NOTE:
There is a huge difference between LPG (liquified natural gas) and CNG. The last time I checked, LPG had to be converted to CNG before it can be used in cars.

Most gasoline engines (with the exception of certain GDI / FSI versions) can be converted to run on both petrol and gas. Just be aware, gas does NOT provide valve lubricant like petrol does, which means prolonged use of gas will ruin your valves. A good LPG system will include upper cylinder lubricant.

The good news is gas has a higher octane rating than petrol, meaning detonation is less likely.

If every Nigerian reasons this way, Nigeria will NEVER be ready to advance with the times.

SAAAdeboye:


The Edo State governor Mr Godwin Obaseki, has disclosed that 5,600 vehicles run on Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) in Benin City, the Edo State capital.

The governor disclosed this in Benin while speaking to journalists on fuel subsidy removal.

“Data from NIPCO Gas, a joint-venture company between NIPCO and Nigeria Gas Company Limited (NGC), indicate that over 5,600 vehicles in Benin City run on Compressed Natural Gas after the initiative was rolled out in 2007 and commissioned in 2009,” he said.

He called on investors to make investments in alternative sources of energy such as natural gas in the wake of subsidy removal, which had led to a hike in transportation costs.


“We are blessed with a lot of gas in Edo. There is really no reason why our tricycles and vehicles should be using petrol. We have more gas stations in Edo than any other state. We should be using more gas.

“Price levels would always go up. What we have to do is to open up the economy so that people will have more work to do. We need more manufacturing companies in Edo State.”

“The gas initiative was launched after a presentation by NIPCO Plc to roll out a pilot scheme to an inter-ministerial team of the Federal Government in 2007.

“NIPCO Gas has established 15 CNG running stations in Benin to provide an alternative for the Gasoline run automobiles,” he said.

https://dailytrust.com/5600-vehicles-run-on-cng-in-benin-obaseki/

naptu2:
Presidency Nigeria @NGRPresident



https://twitter.com/NGRPresident/status/1692573521401069719

ivandragon:
On the surface, this looks good. But does it really address the root problem(s)?

CNG is cheaper now because there is no high demand. What happens when every one switches to CNG, including the neighbouring countries that the FG said made subsidy on pms unsustainable?

What happens when those countries start smuggling the 'cheaper' alternative?

What now happens when CNG prices start rising to meet up with PMS levels?

reynold101:


Good Strategy but I tell you the process will be short lived. As a Risk Engineer of so many years in the Industry one fatal incident involving the CNG converted Vehicle all Nigerians will shy away from the process. Nigerians recklessness they are not ready yet

ubreeze:
for starters I want to state clearly that I am not happy a president we never voted for was forced on us.
Secondly, I will still criticize the manner in which Tinubu went about the subsidy removal, it was callous and everything else he is doing to mitigate the effect is an afterthought.
Moving forward, CNG is cheaper now and will always be so because of certain factors
1. It is locally produced (Powergas has 5 CNG plants across Nigeria).
2. Nigeria as at 2022 had 208 Trillion cubic Ft of Natural gas (So CNG will ALWAYS be locally processed for a long time to come).
3. PMS is not expensive because of demand as you wrongly thought, it is expensive because
A. it is majorly imported,
B. The value of the naira is at the worst it has ever been.
To put B in perspective, if the Naira gains against the dollar to say N300 per $. PMS will crash to about N190 to N230 per Liter.
4. Even when PMS was being smuggled, the smuggling didn't affect the price in Nigeria. The smuggling was due to d fact that Naija PMS was subsidized, hence cheaper that the price in neighboring countries.
5. It takes more than demand to increase price, cost of production is a greater determinant. With the FG interest and plans I have seen, the plan is to push incentives that will encourage major players in the CNG production sector.

In summary, I am sayin that this will work if we are all interested in how it plays out. Natural gas is being flared every second across oil fields in Nigeria, we have to be vocal about that. We have to scrutinize every part of this initiative, call for adjustment in areas that will not favor us and take it upon ourselves to report and shout when anything goes wrong.
Subsidy was wrong, the way it was removed was wicked but WE CANNOT GO BACK TO IT IF WE HOPE TO SURVIVE AS A NATION.