MiddleDimension:


I thought I was the only one who saw his evils of turning around narratives.

please look below to find where we started off.

From the first screenshot, you can CLEARLY SEE that he, like most christians, is the one who is oblivious to the TRUTH that there were more than just adam and eve in the beginning hence he quoted jesus again and said..

And it is the end of a contest that determines the winner and clearly in the end everyone can see that i.answered you and you could not answer back.

vdestro:


No mind the ole two wives.

He said Bible disagrees yet he did not say how, i am interested in the how.

The how is the delusions he is carrying in his head.

Its like this people dont remember.that God hears and knows their dirty filthy thoughts something even i can perceive, yet they think its hidden.

I can't wait for God to.come and pour judgments on them like He.did to Sodom, Gomo , Egypt, Canaan. Isreal, Babylon etc

vdestro:


No mind the ole two wives.

He said Bible disagrees yet he did not say how, i am interested in the how.

when I quoted you as can be seen in the attached screenshot below, you said verbatim: ''The law of one man one wife, is for man and applies to man...it CANNOT and DOES NOT apply to man's Maker/Law Giver and Lord whom Jesus is to us''

First of all, you made two propositions there: ''the law of monogamy IS for man and APPLIES to man''. 

The other proposition is: ''It (monogamy) CANNOT an DOES NOT apply to man's maker...god or jesus etc.

It is important to note here that you have not given an evidence for these bogus claims of yours! Why did you say that? Every claim DEMANDS an evidence

I will say that again:

Every claim demands an evidence!!

One more time:
EVERY CLAIM DEMANDS AN EVIDENCE!!!

So, provide evidence to back up those claims you have made in proposition 1 and 2.

Since we are talking christianity here and the bible is your sole and absolute canon for morals and doctrines,【except if you are a catholic or from any of the orthodox churches. NB: deeper life, CAC, Baptist, Cele, and C&S, are not orthodox churches, they are Pentecostals. Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian etc, are also not orthodox, but Protestant. The term Orthodox churches do not mean what you ignorantly call it here in Nigeria】give a reason from the bible or from the bible and sacred tradition, if you are a catholic or orthodox christian, to prove those bogus proposition of yours!

Now, to answer your question about how the bible disagrees with you.

My brother, I have already done it in the post you quoted and told me the marriage between a man and a woman IS NOT  a mirror of the marriage between you and god.

That post of mine was basically saying that the dynamics of christian marriage man and woman including among other things, the number of spouses a man can have and that which a woman can have, is a mirror of the relationship between god and Israel, Jesus and his church, or Jesus and you, the born again. After all, are you not the same ones who always insist on having a ''personal relationship'' with god?

What is my evidence for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is the same as the marriage between god and his church? 

Let me show you!

I will repeat what I quoted in that post again and let me let the independent seeker of truth be the better judge.
So, once again, What is my BIBLICAL EVIDENCE for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is a MIRROR of the marriage between god and his church? 

1. God's instruction to Hosea:
Hosea was instructed by god to go and take a wife and let their relationship be a reflection of the relationship between god and his people Israel. Your bible says: "When the Lord first spoke to Israel through Hosea, he said to Hosea, 'Go and get married; your wife will be unfaithful, and your children will be just like her. In the same way my people have left me and become unfaithful.” Hosea 1 vs 2.

2. The Book of The Song of Solomon
The Book of the Song of Solomon is basically a book with two people: a man and a woman singing love songs to each other. Now even though it contains pornographic contents, It is still found among the canon of scriptures which you call the "word of god". contents like:

"take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breasts." Song of Solomon 1 vs 4 and 13.

 "Your breasts are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle

16 Awake, north wind,
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread everywhere.
Let my beloved come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits." Song of Solomon 4 vs 5 and 16

''Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
9 and your mouth like the best wine. Song of Solomon 7 vs 7-9 and so on.
The book of the song of Solomon is so pornographic, it is hardly read in church.

So, why is pornography found in the 'word' of a supposedly holy god?

The Jewish Theory
In Qabbalah, Jewish mysticism, the book of the Song of Songs is seen as a dialogue between god and Israel and that the aim of the book is not to pàss a sexual or erotic message. It is often said that the expression of love between the man and the woman is just a mirror of the love god (the man) has with Israel (the woman) (Loprieno, 2005, P107; Sara et al, 2007)

The Christian Theory
In much the same way too, the christian church did the same thing the Jews did with the Song of Solomon but this time instead of seeing the woman as Israel, the church sees itself, or the individual christian as the woman. So, its excuse for letting a pornographic content into the word of a 'holy' god, is that it could be seen as an allegorical representation of god and the church, or god and the individual christian where god is the man and the church or You @vdestro, is the woman (Alfred, 2003). The famous 3rd century christian, Origen, in his "Homilies on the song of song", aired the same idea. Origen, by the way, was heavily influenced by the teachings of Clement of Alexandria, a disciple of Peter, the one whom Jesus told to feed his sheep (Chapman,1908).

3. Ezekiel 16 vs 8-14 Good News Bible.
Here, it can clearly be seen that the relationship between god and Israel is likened to the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. verse 8 of Ezekiel 16 says: "As I passed by again, I saw that the time had come for you to fall in love. I covered your naked body with my coat and promised to love you. Yes, I made a marriage covenant with you, and you became mine.” This is what the Sovereign LORD says.


4. Isaiah 54:5
“For your husband is your Maker,
Whose name is the Lord of hosts;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,
Who is called the God of all the earth.''

But what about the new testament? does it also indicate that the marriage between a man and a woman is a mirror of the relationship between god and his church or the individual christian?

Let me show you!

5. 2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

6. Revelation 19:7-9
Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

7. Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

These verses and the many more I cannot give here due to time, prove beyond reasonable or christian doubt that the marriage between a man and a woman IS A MIRROR OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL, JESUS AND THE CHURCH, OR GOD/JESUS AND THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL. Whoever disagrees with me should present his position together with EVIDENCE, BIBLICAL OR OTHERWISE, and show that they are superior in revelation to the ones I have given here.


having proved that relationship between god and israel, jesus and the church, and god/jesus and the indivual soul/christian is the same thing as the marriage between a man and his wife, Can we now proceed to proving that just as god is the groom of you @vdestro, he can also be the groom of the dtruthspeaker, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, etc, all at the same time, a man can also be the groom of more than one wife at the same time.

First of all, if all of the places where the relationship between god and man is compared to the marriage between a man and a woman, god is the one who is ALWAYS PRESENTED AS THE MAN, while the individual or the church is the one that is always presented as the woman. I am not the one making this up, it is your bible and any other relevant source that is saying it. Therefore, do you direct your arguments at me, do it with your bible.

Paul was talking to the individual christians that make up the church in Corinth here when he said in 2 Corinthians 11:2 that "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

The "you" Paul mentioned there, is refering to the individuals in the church of corinth. Do you, @vdestro, disagree with this too? Because god knows that this also means that a man can have more than one wife and that has not broken anything holy and divine in his sight, is why HE HIMSELF GAVE DAVID MORE THAN ONE WIFE. Or you would like to deny god himself gave david his wives? Here is the biblical prove:

Nathan said to David. “And this is what the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I made you king of Israel and rescued you from Saul. 8 I gave you his kingdom and his wives

This has sufficiently answered your question. If you have an objection, you can present it and show that your proposition is superior in revelation to the ones I have given herein.

By the way, please do not fail to respond to those propositions of yours I pointed out.

I have given you the courtesy of responding to your demand of showing you how the bible disagrees with you; you should now give me the same courtesy I have given you, by giving evidence for your propositions 1 and 2. the evidence can come from sacred scriptures or sacred traditions, if you are a catholic, which I do not think you are seeing you used the expression "the law of..."

References:
1. Chapman, Henry Palmer (1908). "Pope St. Clement I" . In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 4. New York: Robert Appleton Company.

2. Loprieno, Antonio (2005). "Searching for a common background: Egyptian love poetry and the Biblical Song of Songs". In Hagedorn, Anselm C. (ed.). Perspectives on the Song of Songs. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-017632-2

3. Japhet, Sara (2007). "Rashi's Commentary on the Song of Songs: The Revolution of Prashat and Its Aftermath" (PDF). Rashi: The Man and His Work: 199.

4. Norris, Richard Alfred (2003). The Song of Songs: Interpreted by Early Christian and Medieval Commentators. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2579-7.

@joagbeje @donnie what do you think?

@CJstarz what do you think about this discussion @Phemmyfour @Eyinju112

MiddleDimension:


when I quoted you as can be seen in the attached screenshot below, you said verbatim: ''The law of one man one wife, is for man and applies to man...it CANNOT and DOES NOT apply to man's Maker/Law Giver and Lord whom Jesus is to us''

First of all, you made two propositions there: ''the law of monogamy IS for man and APPLIES to man''. 

The other proposition is: ''It (monogamy) CANNOT an DOES NOT apply to man's maker...god or jesus etc.

It is important to note here that you have not given an evidence for these bogus claims of yours! Why did you say that? Every claim DEMANDS an evidence

While waiting for Daestro to make his case i address proposition2 "''It (monogamy) CANNOT an DOES NOT apply to man's maker...god or jesus etc.

When you command your children to go to bed by 9pm does that apply to you? Or when governors said during covid that no one must move in their state, did it apply to him and stop him from going out?

Dtruthspeaker:


While waiting for Daestro to make his case i address proposition2 "''It (monogamy) CANNOT an DOES NOT apply to man's maker...god or jesus etc.

When you command your children to go to bed by 9pm does that apply to you? Or when governors said during covid that no one must move in their state, did it apply to him and stop him from going out?

I said ''from the bible, since it is your ultimate authority; or from both the bible and sacred tradition, if you are a catholic or an orthodox christian''. Also bear in mind on chriatianity, what is refered to as orthodox churches is not what pentecostals in Nigeria call orthodox churches.

MiddleDimension:


I said ''from the bible, since it is your ultimate authority; or from both the bible and sacred tradition, if you are a catholic or an orthodox christian''. Also bear in mind on chriatianity, what is refered to as orthodox churches is not what pentecostals in Nigeria call orthodox churches.

The Bible is all about our natural life and natural living hence my response. I don't care what thinkings catholic, jws,.orthodox or pentecostals hold.

I only care what the bible says and how i can decipher and understand its deep messages, that is what i am all about.

Dtruthspeaker:


The Bible is all about our natural life and natural living hence my response. I don't care what thinkings catholic, jws,.orthodox or pentecostals hold.

[b]I only care what the bible says [/b]and how i can decipher and understand its deep messages, that is what i am all about.

Then give me a bible evidence to back-up the thinking you expressed here below.

Dtruthspeaker:


While waiting for Daestro to make his case i address proposition2 "''It (monogamy) CANNOT an DOES NOT apply to man's maker...god or jesus etc.

When you command your children to go to bed by 9pm does that apply to you? Or when governors said during covid that no one must move in their state, did it apply to him and stop him from going out?

I mean this thinking here in bold.

MiddleDimension:


I mean this thinking here in bold.

I don't know how to explain this beyond this example for we all do this, so you ought to understand it.

What you probably did not know hence your difficulty in understanding is that The Law is a servant of its Maker. Therefore, it can not hold nor rule its maker, exactly as a.servant does not rule his Master.

It is the Master who rules over his servants.

So, The Law only has power over people who are less than irs Master, The Lawmaker. (Aside and that is the constitution and all is weak and why even legislators can change or amend the constitution 1billion times, it would always be weak and diregardable,.because it does not comply with The Law which comes from God, Who is greater than all men. Hence His Law is greater than our constitutions)

MiddleDimension:


Then give me a bible evidence to back-up the thinking you expressed here below.

Eg you can't walk on water or on air as The Lawmaker has Lawed, but The Lawmaker did it and was not bound by The Law, He made over us.

MiddleDimension:


when I quoted you as can be seen in the attached screenshot below, you said verbatim: ''The law of one man one wife, is for man and applies to man...it CANNOT and DOES NOT apply to man's Maker/Law Giver and Lord whom Jesus is to us''

First of all, you made two propositions there: ''the law of monogamy IS for man and APPLIES to man''. 

The other proposition is: ''It (monogamy) CANNOT an DOES NOT apply to man's maker...god or jesus etc.

It is important to note here that you have not given an evidence for these bogus claims of yours! Why did you say that? Every claim DEMANDS an evidence

I will say that again:

Every claim demands an evidence!!

One more time:
EVERY CLAIM DEMANDS AN EVIDENCE!!!

So, provide evidence to back up those claims you have made in proposition 1 and 2.

Simple!

The Law that applies to man (creation) does not apply to his Creator.

Which is why you can order your phone not to accept any other user save you and it is bound to do your will or suffer the consequences.

But you are not bound by that Law.

Thus you can have as many phones as you please, showing the truth of this assertion.

Christ Himself proved the Law by walking on water, causing a tree to wither and die just by speaking to it, amongst other things, no creation has ever done.

MiddleDimension:


Now, to answer your question about how the bible disagrees with you.

My brother, I have already done it in the post you quoted and told me the marriage between a man and a woman IS NOT  a mirror of the marriage between you and god.

That post of mine was basically saying that the dynamics of christian marriage man and woman including among other things, the number of spouses a man can have and that which a woman can have, is a mirror of the relationship between god and Israel, Jesus and his church, or Jesus and you, the born again. After all, are you not the same ones who always insist on having a ''personal relationship'' with god?

What is my evidence for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is the same as the marriage between god and his church? 

Let me show you!

I will repeat what I quoted in that post again and let me let the independent seeker of truth be the better judge.
So, once again, What is my BIBLICAL EVIDENCE for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is a MIRROR of the marriage between god and his church? 

1. God's instruction to Hosea:
Hosea was instructed by god to go and take a wife and let their relationship be a reflection of the relationship between god and his people Israel. Your bible says: "When the Lord first spoke to Israel through Hosea, he said to Hosea, 'Go and get married; your wife will be unfaithful, and your children will be just like her. In the same way my people have left me and become unfaithful.” Hosea 1 vs 2.

2. The Book of The Song of Solomon
The Book of the Song of Solomon is basically a book with two people: a man and a woman singing love songs to each other. Now even though it contains pornographic contents, It is still found among the canon of scriptures which you call the "word of god". contents like:

"take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breasts." Song of Solomon 1 vs 4 and 13.

 "Your breasts are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle

16 Awake, north wind,
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread everywhere.
Let my beloved come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits." Song of Solomon 4 vs 5 and 16

''Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
9 and your mouth like the best wine. Song of Solomon 7 vs 7-9 and so on.
The book of the song of Solomon is so pornographic, it is hardly read in church.

So, why is pornography found in the 'word' of a supposedly holy god?

The Jewish Theory
In Qabbalah, Jewish mysticism, the book of the Song of Songs is seen as a dialogue between god and Israel and that the aim of the book is not to pàss a sexual or erotic message. It is often said that the expression of love between the man and the woman is just a mirror of the love god (the man) has with Israel (the woman) (Loprieno, 2005, P107; Sara et al, 2007)

The Christian Theory
In much the same way too, the christian church did the same thing the Jews did with the Song of Solomon but this time instead of seeing the woman as Israel, the church sees itself, or the individual christian as the woman. So, its excuse for letting a pornographic content into the word of a 'holy' god, is that it could be seen as an allegorical representation of god and the church, or god and the individual christian where god is the man and the church or You @vdestro, is the woman (Alfred, 2003). The famous 3rd century christian, Origen, in his "Homilies on the song of song", aired the same idea. Origen, by the way, was heavily influenced by the teachings of Clement of Alexandria, a disciple of Peter, the one whom Jesus told to feed his sheep (Chapman,1908).

3. Ezekiel 16 vs 8-14 Good News Bible.
Here, it can clearly be seen that the relationship between god and Israel is likened to the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. verse 8 of Ezekiel 16 says: "As I passed by again, I saw that the time had come for you to fall in love. I covered your naked body with my coat and promised to love you. Yes, I made a marriage covenant with you, and you became mine.” This is what the Sovereign LORD says.


4. Isaiah 54:5
“For your husband is your Maker,
Whose name is the Lord of hosts;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,
Who is called the God of all the earth.''

But what about the new testament? does it also indicate that the marriage between a man and a woman is a mirror of the relationship between god and his church or the individual christian?

Let me show you!

5. 2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

6. Revelation 19:7-9
Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

7. Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

These verses and the many more I cannot give here due to time, prove beyond reasonable or christian doubt that the marriage between a man and a woman IS A MIRROR OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL, JESUS AND THE CHURCH, OR GOD/JESUS AND THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL. Whoever disagrees with me should present his position together with EVIDENCE, BIBLICAL OR OTHERWISE, and show that they are superior in revelation to the ones I have given here.


having proved that relationship between god and israel, jesus and the church, and god/jesus and the indivual soul/christian is the same thing as the marriage between a man and his wife, Can we now proceed to proving that just as god is the groom of you @vdestro, he can also be the groom of the dtruthspeaker, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, etc, all at the same time, a man can also be the groom of more than one wife at the same time.

First of all, if all of the places where the relationship between god and man is compared to the marriage between a man and a woman, god is the one who is ALWAYS PRESENTED AS THE MAN, while the individual or the church is the one that is always presented as the woman. I am not the one making this up, it is your bible and any other relevant source that is saying it. Therefore, do you direct your arguments at me, do it with your bible.

Paul was talking to the individual christians that make up the church in Corinth here when he said in 2 Corinthians 11:2 that "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

The "you" Paul mentioned there, is refering to the individuals in the church of corinth. Do you, @vdestro, disagree with this too? Because god knows that this also means that a man can have more than one wife and that has not broken anything holy and divine in his sight, is why HE HIMSELF GAVE DAVID MORE THAN ONE WIFE. Or you would like to deny god himself gave david his wives? Here is the biblical prove:

Nathan said to David. “And this is what the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I made you king of Israel and rescued you from Saul. 8 I gave you his kingdom and his wives

This has sufficiently answered your question. If you have an objection, you can present it and show that your proposition is superior in revelation to the ones I have given herein.

By the way, please do not fail to respond to those propositions of yours I pointed out.

I have given you the courtesy of responding to your demand of showing you how the bible disagrees with you; you should now give me the same courtesy I have given you, by giving evidence for your propositions 1 and 2. the evidence can come from sacred scriptures or sacred traditions, if you are a catholic, which I do not think you are seeing you used the expression "the law of..."

References:
1. Chapman, Henry Palmer (1908). "Pope St. Clement I" . In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 4. New York: Robert Appleton Company.

2. Loprieno, Antonio (2005). "Searching for a common background: Egyptian love poetry and the Biblical Song of Songs". In Hagedorn, Anselm C. (ed.). Perspectives on the Song of Songs. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-017632-2

3. Japhet, Sara (2007). "Rashi's Commentary on the Song of Songs: The Revolution of Prashat and Its Aftermath" (PDF). Rashi: The Man and His Work: 199.

4. Norris, Richard Alfred (2003). The Song of Songs: Interpreted by Early Christian and Medieval Commentators. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2579-7.

@joagbeje @donnie what do you think?

All of these are just a repetition of your post to dtruthspeaker.

They do not answer your assertion that the Bible disagrees with my statement to wit that the law of one man, one wife applies to man and not his Creator.

vdestro:

..All of these are just a repetition of your post to dtruthspeaker.

They do not answer your assertion that the Bible disagrees with my statement to wit that the law of one man, one wife applies to man and not his Creator.

Sentimental and emotional blackmail that does not even work when men are serious with judgment is what he is pleading.

A case of banditry should be a way of life because people have done it .

Dtruthspeaker:


Sentimental and emotional blackmail that does not even work when men are serious with judgment is what he is pleading.

A case of banditry should be a way of life because people have done it .

Well, it is known that a thief must look for d'fences to cover and injustify his stealing.

vdestro:


Simple!

The Law that applies to man (creation) does not apply to his Creator.

Which is why you can order your phone not to accept any other user save you and it is bound to do your will or suffer the consequences.

But you are not bound by that Law.

Thus you can have as many phones as you please, showing the truth of this assertion.

Christ Himself proved the Law by walking on water, causing a tree to wither and die just by speaking to it, amongst other things, no creation has ever done.

The bible says: ''Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these...'' John 14 vs 12.

What's your point again?

MiddleDimension:


The bible says: ''Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these...'' John 14 vs 12.

What's your point again?

You verily got it.

That man is bound by his Creator's Law which does not bind his Creator.

So your bringing in greater things does not counter the Law.

For the issue is not about greater things but that the Law of the Creator to His creation does not apply to Him

vdestro:


You verily got it.

That man is bound by his Creator's Law which does not bind his Creator.

So your bringing in greater things does not counter the Law.

For the issue is not about greater things but that the Law of the Creator to His creation does not apply to Him

Why have you refused to show us in the bible where god OPENLY gave man the 'law' to not marry more than one wife. Are you agreeing there is no such thing in the bible! If there is, provide it already, and stop beating about the bush.

MiddleDimension:

Why have you refused to show us in the bible where god OPENLY gave man the 'law' to not marry more than one wife. Are you agreeing there is no such thing in the bible! If there is, provide it already, and stop beating about the bush.

A word they say is enough for the wise. And the God gave us 2 Words. Twice did He. Say on marriage "male and female created He them".

A word is usually enough for the wise, how then more, 2

MiddleDimension:


Why have you refused to show us in the bible where god OPENLY gave man the 'law' to not marry more than one wife. Are you agreeing there is no such thing in the bible! If there is, provide it already, and stop beating about the bush.

Now you return back to the beginning for Dtruthspeaker has given you the Law and you could not counter it so I will not be repeating it.

It is clear you obviously can not proceed any further and have no counter.

Dtruthspeaker:


A word they say is enough for the wise. And the God gave us 2 Words. Twice did He. Say on marriage "male and female created He them".

A word is usually enough for the wise, how then more, 2

No mind the guy, he has gotten to a wall and can not proceed.

vdestro:


All of these are just a repetition of your post to dtruthspeaker.

A repetition that is necessary because you chose to ignore it completely!

vdestro:
They do not answer your assertion that the Bible disagrees with my statement to wit that the law of one man, one wife applies to man and not his Creator.

of course, they do.

In that post, I showed CLEARLY that the relationship between god and the individual soul is the same as the marriage between man and his wife.

I also showed that just as God can be husband to as many people that may receive him, so too can the man be husband to more than one woman at the same time! I proved it already! And because God knows this very well, is the reason he did not have a problem with giving David more than one wife! And the fact he did that, is the reason we can agree that polygyny is not something he just permitted but did not really agree with, like many of you would say.

2 sam 12:8
"This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says....I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms.''
The[b] identity[/b] of the person speaking, Lord, God of Israel, was mentioned. What He did, I gave you your masters wives, was also clearly mentioned. At this point, it looks like if you had your way, you would have loved to go back into the past and expunge this from the bible! You and your partner honestly wish this not there in the bible!

MiddleDimension:




A repetition that is necessary because you chose to ignore it completely!



of course, they do.

In that post, I showed CLEARLY that the relationship between god and the individual soul is the same as the marriage between man and his wife.

I also showed that just as God can be husband to as many people that may receive him, so too can the man be husband to more than one woman at the same time! I proved it already! And because God knows this very well, is the reason he did not have a problem with giving David more than one wife! And the fact he did that, is the reason we can agree that polygyny is not something he just permitted but did not really agree with, like many of you would say.

2 sam 12:8
"This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says....I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms.''
The[b] identity[/b] of the person speaking, Lord, God of Israel, was mentioned. What He did, I gave you your masters wives, was also clearly mentioned. At this point, it looks like if you had your way, you would have loved to go back into the past and expunge this from the bible! You and your partner honestly wish this not there in the bible!

Repeating yourself is your thing not mine.

So again there is nothing here to address.

Dtruthspeaker:


A word they say is enough for the wise. And the God gave us 2 Words. Twice did He. Say on marriage "male and female created He them".

A word is usually enough for the wise, how then more, 2

where are you quoting from? let me see

MiddleDimension:


where are you quoting from? let me see

I have said all these before to you before you ran out of ground.

vdestro:


The Law of one man, one wife is for man and applies to man.

It can not and does not apply to man's Maker/Law Giver and Lord whom Jesus is to us.

If the 'law' as you call it is for god and god alone, why then did he give David more wives when he was actually married? 2Sam 12 vs 8

He gave David more wives because he knew that just as he can be the husband of more than one individual, so too can man be the husband of more than one woman.

MiddleDimension:


If the 'law' as you call it is for god and god alone, why then did he give David more wives when he was actually married? 2Sam 12 vs 8...

Also the house of Israel and of Judah (and their wives) was included in that statement.

If so, then David need not kill Uriah, for he would have just told him "I have a right to take your wife because God has given everyone in Isreal to me".

Your lust filled adulterous eyes has blinded you for seeing that 2Sam 12 vs 8 is God just saying that He had made David from a little shepherd to a mighty president/king that he is so mighty that he rules over the former king and his house.

Its as simple and as clean as that.

To buttress my point that the Christian God, Jehovah the father of Jesus, is 'polygamous' hence he knows that when a man, who is his own figure in the household, he can have more than one wife and nothing divine or holy will be violated, lets look at Ezekiel 23.

It says: "The LORD spoke to me. 2“Mortal man,” he said, “there were once two sisters...the older one was named Oholah (she represents Samaria), and the younger one was named Oholibah (she represents Jerusalem). I married both of them,..."

Incase there is anyone passing by and wondering where that man above me...is it @Dtruthspeaker they call him? Well, if you are wondering where in the bible he is referring to, here is it.

“And this is what the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I made you king of Israel and rescued you from Saul. 8I gave you his kingdom and his wives; I made you king over Israel and Judah. If this had not been enough, I would have given you twice as much.

Read it for yourself and see if that thing he made of it is a plausible interpretation.

Well, this is not surprising to me as the way he behaves is how lies make the liar bahave.

Their Jesus, who is their lord and god says: "...that you shall know the truth..." There are only a few things their lord and god wished for them and the truth is one. So, one would have thought that christians like dtruthspeakerdfiufbo will be so truth oriented that although he may not know all truth, no one knows all truth anyway, but when in a discussion where truth is the goal, he would be the most welcoming of all ideas and judge each on their merit, shunning the evil urge to dangle around and shit on the discussion because the facts are stacked against him and he is afraid of beholding truth in all its beauty.

The bible says in acts of the apostles chapter 17 vs 11. that the people who were more open minded than the people in Thessalonica, they listened with great eagerness. And because of that, they could see the truth of the matter. So, this is the hallmark of those who are open or fair-minded and also truth oriented: that they listen with eagerness and are not filled with negative feeling and as a result, do not, like this man dtruthspeakermnjhvbs, deliberately misinterpret scripture in ways they do not even agree with because they know that they are being dishonest. Its not like that they do not know, but that they KNOW THEY ARE NEING DISHONEST!

If the facts makes you feel bad, then change your feelings, and do not shit on the facts