Most juniors just copy and paste code they don't understand, or clone projects from youtube tutorials. Yet a hiring manager thinks that this is a reasonable requirement for hiring a junior dev?

I swear to God I have gone through almost every github profile of junior Nigerian devs that I have seen on twitter and all I see in their code is copy and paste.

I mean I saw a girl who claimed to have been coding for 1.5 years. So I went through her github. I saw a simple crud backend api so I clicked on it. Then I saw a controller function where she used .then on a request, and in the same function used try and catch for another. I noticed a complete inconsistency in coding style which proved that she was just copying and pasting chunks of code. Imagine not being able to write a simple crud API yourself. Yet some company is going to take her seriously because she has projects on her github and her github is lightening up like a stupid Christmas tree.

Below is a quote from a hiring manager on Reddit that proves my point.

"As an interviewer/HM I have never clicked a candidate's GitHub link. I see stories on here occasionally about a candidate's github helping them get a job, but I have never witnessed that myself, and every tech leader and senior engineer I've talked to has confirmed they never look at the githubs of candidates being interviewed.

No doubt there are some companies out there who care, but in my experience they are so few it just seems really odd how obsessed people can be with it on these subs.

What comes up in interviews are discussions about the projects they've worked on. I am far more interested in hearing them explain their understanding of a language, platform, framework, trend, or design pattern than seeing a bunch of projects they pushed to some repo that they may or may not have written and may or may not even understand. Don't care.

I had a candidate recently brag about the sophisticated desktop app he made for a previous employer and all the time he spent on it. It was built around a particular 3rd party API, so I asked some questions about how the api authentication works, how he hooks into it, if it's a library vs local service vs public service, etc. He basically couldn't answer any of those questions but kept insisting on demoing the app for me.

It sounded like someone else had acquired the API, set up the authentication for him, set up the host, scaffolded a project, and then gave him a link to the API documentation and he filled in the blanks. No"

Focus on yourself and how to stand out.

For entry tech jobs, i demand for your GitHub link.

The GitHub link allows me to see your annual commits and your public repositories.

In the interview, I discuss your previous projects (based on what you have on GitHub as a starting point) and review the steps you took and why you took them. You are at liberty to add other projects into the discussion but i would very much like to see your code.

In my short period of working with different developers, i have discovered that knowing how a developer writes code is important.

Finally, when discussing the candidate’s code base and asking probing questions, i am further able to weed out the obstinate fellas.

If you really wrote the codes on GH yourself, it is your time to shine.

CTOs who cannot be bothered to open a GitHub link are simply lazy.

OP, wait till when you head a team before giving opinions on how to recruit the best into your team.

Cheers

truthCoder:
For entry tech jobs, i demand for your GitHub link.

The GitHub link allows me to see your annual commits and your public repositories.

In the interview, I discuss your previous projects (based on what you have on GitHub as a starting point) and review the steps you took and why you took them. You are at liberty to add other projects into the discussion but i would very much like to see your code.

In my short period of working with different developers, i have discovered that knowing how a developer writes code is important.

Finally, when discussing the candidate’s code base and asking probing questions, i am further able to weed out the obstinate fellas.

If you really wrote the codes on GH yourself, it is your time to shine.

CTOs who cannot be bothered to open a GitHub link are simply lazy.

OP, wait till when you head a team before giving opinions on how to recruit the best into your team.

Cheers

So what's your bench mark for annual commits?

Is the number of annual commits more important than the quality of projects?

For instance I prefer to save my projects locally and only push to github upon completion. Would I fail your recruitment test on that basis even though I can explain every line of code and my code is very clean and reusable?

All the projects on my portfolio are fullstack projects written with Typescript and PostgreSQL as database. I didn't start pushing them to github until recently because I didn't want to push nonsense tutorial toy projects to github like everyone else is doing.

Won't you rather test me on my coding ability that use stupid green lights on github to judge me?

I am not boasting but I can write better code and solve multiple easy to medium level leetcode problems using javascript, something most juniors with 1000+ annual commits can't do.

truthCoder:
For entry tech jobs, i demand for your GitHub link.

The GitHub link allows me to see your annual commits and your public repositories.

In the interview, I discuss your previous projects (based on what you have on GitHub as a starting point) and review the steps you took and why you took them. You are at liberty to add other projects into the discussion but i would very much like to see your code.

In my short period of working with different developers, i have discovered that knowing how a developer writes code is important.

Finally, when discussing the candidate’s code base and asking probing questions, i am further able to weed out the obstinate fellas.

If you really wrote the codes on GH yourself, it is your time to shine.

CTOs who cannot be bothered to open a GitHub link are simply lazy.

OP, wait till when you head a team before giving opinions on how to recruit the best into your team.

Cheers

Are you an employer, cause I need to know is Github giving you commission for employing candidates who use their program.

So what do you say about someone like me that has next to nothing on GitHub and few private non public projects on gitlab and dozens of projects backed up on my Google drive, hard drive and phone SD Card? And hv been coding while u were still in diapers?

Omo as you are gainfully employed in whatever Shitty naija tech Startup, just chop your Salary quietly and cane your line you hear. Leave them alone it's survival of the fittest, so far they can deliver whether by copy & paste, what matters is they deliver.

Sulele04:

Are you an employer, cause I need to know is Github giving you commission for employing candidates who use their program.

Don't mind her...lol

chim14:
So what do you say about someone like me that has next to nothing on GitHub and few private non public projects on gitlab and dozens of projects backed up on my Google drive, hard drive and phone SD Card? And hv been coding while u were still in diapers?

Omo as you are gainfully employed in whatever Shitty naija tech Startup, just chop your Salary quietly and cane your line you hear. Leave them alone it's survival of the fittest, so far they can deliver whether by copy & paste, what matters is they deliver.

As for me since when I started working for a company as a developer Omo I no even get tym to dey push go GitHub but that doesn't mean I am not learning new tech things to upskill myself

So for instance you working for a company and all the projects you coded are in the company's private GitHub repository. You resign & sign non disclosure, and maybe * don't have time for personal projects while I was working for company "A", you'll now ask me to provide github link & judge me with it?

That's why I have been saying some Naija know, know tech gurus or whatever are just sooo DUMB as fork & very stupid. They think very narrowly atimes, na only Python & React full their head.

peterincredible:

As for me since when I started working for a company as a developer Omo I no even get tym to dey push go GitHub but that doesn't mean I am not learning new tech things to upskill myself

Exactly, no time, some of all these yeye naija tech companies wey go wan kill you with work, & deadline. After you have finish stressing yourself thinking you've created sumtin, dey hold one stupid meeting, one small witch for commercial dept go suggest one yeye thing, & Oga go cancel the project, pivot to another thing... Lol

Software development is about providing solutions via programming.
If certain libraries or snippets of functions are in public domain, you don't have to push it to your repository. You can however made use of it, if your project requires such codes.

Github is for collaboration and most gits are free & open source.

Devdevdev:


So what's your bench mark for annual commits?

Is the number of annual commits more important than the quality of projects?

For instance I prefer to save my projects locally and only push to github upon completion. Would I fail your recruitment test on that basis even though I can explain every line of code and my code is very clean and reusable?

All the projects on my portfolio are fullstack projects written with Typescript and PostgreSQL as database. I didn't start pushing them to github until recently because I didn't want to push nonsense tutorial toy projects to github like everyone else is doing.

Won't you rather test me on my coding ability that use stupid green lights on github to judge me?

I am not boasting but I can write better code and solve multiple easy to medium level leetcode problems using javascript, something most juniors with 1000+ annual commits can't do.

It's a good software engineering practice to write code incrementally, it helps in debugging and rolling back changes made. the little green lights helps you visualize your increments

So I see no wrong in hiring mangers or Senior devs using that to hire junior devs. I don't think any senior devs need Juniors to have the habit of throwing bunch of code in one pr to company codebase.

Devdevdev:


So what's your bench mark for annual commits?

Is the number of annual commits more important than the quality of projects?

For instance I prefer to save my projects locally and only push to github upon completion. Would I fail your recruitment test on that basis even though I can explain every line of code and my code is very clean and reusable?

All the projects on my portfolio are fullstack projects written with Typescript and PostgreSQL as database. I didn't start pushing them to github until recently because I didn't want to push nonsense tutorial toy projects to github like everyone else is doing.

Won't you rather test me on my coding ability that use stupid green lights on github to judge me?

I am not boasting but I can write better code and solve multiple easy to medium level leetcode problems using javascript, something most juniors with 1000+ annual commits can't do.

I have seen someone with 2 commits in a whole year who applied for an entry position. Last commit was not this year and was not employed at the moment. Further discussions showed gaps in other areas.

Saving your project locally and committing in large batches negates the whole point of continuous improvement. Github is not your hard disk. Do you even know why it exists? Do you know what continuous integration, improvement and development is?

GitHub is simply a starting point for discussions and your lapses therein will not limit you completely if you can demonstrate an ability to do required tasks and you are ready to start committing continuously as you code.

Going through your projects and seeing ‘nonsense tutorial toy projects’ actually helps you as it shows your progression and ability to learn new things.

To you, those parameters are stupid, but in production, your ability to do continuous improvement and development is a key parameter that anyone who has to review merge requests will look for.

Employers dont want boasters who believe they are better than everyone. They want team players. They want people who can collaborate with others on projects and not show offs that carry an air of toxic disdain around them. I don’t care if you are Luca Pacioli. If you are not a team player, you are not on mu team.

There are many aspects of real life organizational code development that you clearly do not understand yet. When you do, you will open another thread to chastise those who don’t.

Cheers

Sulele04:

Are you an employer, cause I need to know is Github giving you commission for employing candidates who use their program.

Yes they do.

Oh….GitHub is not a program.

Cheers

chim14:
So what do you say about someone like me that has next to nothing on GitHub and few private non public projects on gitlab and dozens of projects backed up on my Google drive, hard drive and phone SD Card? And hv been coding while u were still in diapers?

Omo as you are gainfully employed in whatever Shitty naija tech Startup, just chop your Salary quietly and cane your line you hear. Leave them alone it's survival of the fittest, so far they can deliver whether by copy & paste, what matters is they deliver.

Dear copynpasta dev,
Since you have been coding since while i was still in diapers (Na napkins my mama use. Those ones they wash and reuse) and you store codes on phone SD cards, it will only be a national emergency before I employ you.
Cheers.

peterincredible:

As for me since when I started working for a company as a developer Omo I no even get tym to dey push go GitHub but that doesn't mean I am not learning new tech things to upskill myself

Your new skills should be evident in further discussions. Your GitHub link is simply a starting point and shows your general direction.

Whilst at that, you should spend some private time once in a while to build personal projects to showcase your new learnings.

chim14:
So for instance you working for a company and all the projects you coded are in the company's private GitHub repository. You resign & sign non disclosure, and maybe * don't have time for personal projects while I was working for company "A", you'll now ask me to provide github link & judge me with it?

That's why I have been saying some Naija know, know tech gurus or whatever are just sooo DUMB as fork & very stupid. They think very narrowly atimes, na only Python & React full their head.

If you see someone whose head is filled with Python and React, that person is not dumb or stupid.

What is in your own head?

If you want to insult, insult directly and not be going around the fence.

truthCoder:


Your new skills should be evident in further discussions. Your GitHub link is simply a starting point and shows your general direction.

Whilst at that, you should spend some private time once in a while to build personal projects to showcase your new learnings.

Guy true though but hin get some company wey u go work for hmmmm by the time u get home u go just tire any how me that can code for hours when less busy but while working for a company it is even by fire by force before I will be even be able to code for 1hr 3o mins after work before I sleep like mumu but when I left my previous job after like 2 week of not working the zeel just came and I was coding like 9hrs a day some times self 11hrs I built like 3 projects in 4 month then got another job but now hmm even 2 hrs of learning new tech b4 man know am man don crash

preciouswoman66:



It's a good software engineering practice to write code incrementally, it helps in debugging and rolling back changes made. the little green lights helps you visualize your increments

So I see no wrong in hiring mangers or Senior devs using that to hire junior devs. I don't think any senior devs need Juniors to have the habit of throwing bunch of code in one pr to company codebase.

Exactly.

truthCoder:


Yes they do.

Oh….GitHub is not a program.

Cheers

Fairs then.

For those who can't make any input without insulting other stacks, bro and sis! Software Engineering is a complete process.
Skip one and be doomed. Irregardless of your language, your technical skill also revolve around your git repos.
I know people who prefers azure to github.
But guess what, they all COMMIT.

IF YOU LIKE COMMIT YOUR CODE, IF YOU LIKE NO COMMIT. OVERSABI GO FINISH UNA ONE DAY.

Commiting your code is an Engineering best practise so skip it if you want but one day you'll look back and wish you actually did.

I commit all my code, it's either that or creating my own job.

truthCoder:


Dear copynpasta dev,
Since you have been coding since while i was still in diapers (Na napkins my mama use. Those ones they wash and reuse) and you store codes on phone SD cards, it will only be a national emergency before I employ you.
Cheers.

Na me go employ your chunky asssss.

truthCoder:


If you see someone whose head is filled with Python and React, that person is not dumb or stupid.

What is in your own head?

If you want to insult, insult directly and not be going around the fence.

Omo, na to chop chicken relax, travel the world, buy luxury things ny full my head o. You think I want to be a code Monkey forever, dey there nw, stuck in your Python Or Cobra grow white hair, I dash u in short come take my laptop u hear....lol If u want to die coding, u on ur own.

Jesus is saying "I saw Satan fall like lightening..." And naija devs are there raising shoulder speaking grammer of miracle they can do with Python, react nuxt and those nonsense tech.

Jesus is saying "I saw Satan fall like lightening" And naija devs are there raising shoulder speaking grammer of miracle they can do with Python, react nuxt and those nonsense tech.

chim14:


Na me go employ your chunky asssss.

You?

Is this not you again hawking your ten ten naira SD card based websites on the streets of Nairaland?

You want to employ me?

Continue.

Devdevdev:
Most juniors just copy and paste code they don't understand, or clone projects from youtube tutorials. Yet a hiring manager thinks that this is a reasonable requireme. Yet some...

They need to give you award for the most controversial developer on NL. Female category.

TastedFriedBumBum will get it for the male category.

Devdevdev:
Most juniors just copy and paste code they don't understand, or clone projects from youtube tutorials. Yet a hiring manager thinks that this is a reasonable requirement for hiring a junior dev?

I swear to God I have gone through almost every github profile of junior Nigerian devs that I have seen on twitter and all I see in their code is copy and paste.

I mean I saw a girl who claimed to have been coding for 1.5 years. So I went through her github. I saw a simple crud backend api so I clicked on it. Then I saw a controller function where she used .then on a request, and in the same function used try and catch for another. I noticed a complete inconsistency in coding style which proved that she was just copying and pasting chunks of code. Imagine not being able to write a simple crud API yourself. Yet some company is going to take her seriously because she has projects on her github and her github is lightening up like a stupid Christmas tree.

Below is a quote from a hiring manager on Reddit that proves my point.

"As an interviewer/HM I have never clicked a candidate's GitHub link. I see stories on here occasionally about a candidate's github helping them get a job, but I have never witnessed that myself, and every tech leader and senior engineer I've talked to has confirmed they never look at the githubs of candidates being interviewed.

No doubt there are some companies out there who care, but in my experience they are so few it just seems really odd how obsessed people can be with it on these subs.

What comes up in interviews are discussions about the projects they've worked on. I am far more interested in hearing them explain their understanding of a language, platform, framework, trend, or design pattern than seeing a bunch of projects they pushed to some repo that they may or may not have written and may or may not even understand. Don't care.

I had a candidate recently brag about the sophisticated desktop app he made for a previous employer and all the time he spent on it. It was built around a particular 3rd party API, so I asked some questions about how the api authentication works, how he hooks into it, if it's a library vs local service vs public service, etc. He basically couldn't answer any of those questions but kept insisting on demoing the app for me.

It sounded like someone else had acquired the API, set up the authentication for him, set up the host, scaffolded a project, and then gave him a link to the API documentation and he filled in the blanks. No"

They don’t just use any project…

They are not daft na?

They go for candidates with very solid projects.

truthCoder:


You?

Is this not you again hawking your ten ten naira SD card based websites on the streets of Nairaland?

You want to employ me?

Continue.

Am a business man see this idiot and big fool. Very stupid. Empty headed bastard, craze. Na all these kin people I dey hate. B4 u know dey hack ur bank account wipe all ur moni making u raise shlder, naso u go hide ur face. Fool

truthCoder:


Dear copynpasta dev,
Since you have been coding since while i was still in diapers (Na napkins my mama use. Those ones they wash and reuse) and you store codes on phone SD cards, it will only be a national emergency before I employ you.
Cheers.

Not sure I would be hiring then even in a National emergency. Phone SD card! Even if it's a Samsung EVO Class 10 SD card. Nope, hard pass

airsaylongcome:


Not sure I would be hiring then even in a National emergency. Phone SD card! Even if it's a Samsung EVO Class 10 SD card. Nope, hard pass

You go find person to hire u no go see... Lol. You no even get money to pay talk more of hiring U dey here the make mouth...lol

Everybody nw wants to be Oga, who wants to work for sumbody. Na Nokia touchlight u go use take find person to hire.