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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 2:30pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:

I guess you are calling for a comprehensive revolution. undecided

Like do away with all White people's stuff if you think they are bad and do not mean well. If I were in your shoes I would also give that a serious thought before saying so.

If that is what you got then that’s you. All we are saying is, HOLD YOUR CRIMINAL LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ROT AFRICA IS ENDURING.

Stop blaming the West at your convenience for the mess in Africa.

FOR ONCE! Let us hold ourselves and own our failures as a continent. Being Pan African doesn’t translate into blaming the West for every little thing!
If anything, it means taking ownership of your failures and finding ways to address them locally.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 2:33pm On Aug 31, 2023
@Ibime

Let’s not forget to remind them that 40 out of 54 African countries print their currencies in Europe, including countries that were not colonized by the French.

Remind them that even some European countries like Denmark print their currency outside of Denmark because it is cheaper.

Remind them that France pays incredible amounts of interests for helping them defend their currency from inflation and for keeping it.

Most importantly, remind them that they have leaders who need to be held to the highest standard!

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 2:33pm On Aug 31, 2023
.....if you have a Leader doing well like Kagame, allow him to keep power as long as he can.

But, if your Leader is like Biya, do everything humanly possible to oust him from Office.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OkpaNsukkaisBae(m): 2:36pm On Aug 31, 2023
So because republic of niger don't have the technology 2 develop her uranium, then France can do whatever they want with it. mine it, take it 2 Paris while giving nigeriens peanut.

What a slave mentality!


This is why the West suspended Uganda 4rm World Bank. The president of Uganda did not allow the West 2 steal the Uranium in UGanda why living her people in darkness.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by A001: 2:37pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:

You will only invite A001 to begin his lecture on how stupid we all are.

The point is not whether we watch European football more than African football. The question is if we are forced to watch it against our wishes.

Okpa's reply say it all, our relationship with the West should be symbiotic not parasitic. The way it is now is parasitic. Simple.
Africans have the bulk of the blame as far as the poor state of things on the continent are concerned. Only Africans can really change the conditions of the continent. You can't keep blaming the West every time.

As of now, Africa is still under Europe and Arabia as slaves, and the region will remain so for a long time.

Most Africans worship the God of the whites and Arabs, speak their language as the primary means of communication, prefer to name their kids using European or Arabic names, consider their ancestors as demonic while worshipping the ancestors of Europeans and Arabs.

The continent can't develop with this kind of slave mentality. The continent as a whole is still in slavery.

It takes a lot of intelligence and will to build a functional and prosperous society, and most Africans just don't have the required mental capacity.

It's just the plain truth. Blame your fellow Africans, not the West.

Development starts from the head, from having the right mindset, not a slave mentality. It starts from reforming the local cultures and traditions using philosophy, science, and critical thinking.

Most modern Africans don't have the mental capacity for these.

Without a healthy number of Africans embracing philosophy, science, and critical thinking in place of religion, especially Christianity and Islam, and getting rid of their ancient norms and cultural practices prevalent in African societies, Africa won't develop and grow.

Most of you people here blaming the West for Africa's woes are either Christians or Muslims. You're blaming the West without looking inward.

The more those two religions grow and develop on this continent, the faster Africa as a continent becomes worse. Only highly intelligent Africans understand this simple fact.

Africans should take responsibility for their action or inaction and stop blaming the West.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 2:49pm On Aug 31, 2023
OasisX:


grin

.....Benjamin Netanyahu was first elected prime minister of Israel in 1996 and left the Office in 1999 following his defeat to Ehud Barak.

He returned again as prime minister in 2009 and lost the office to oppositions in 2021 after 5 terms [12yrs] in Office.

Guess what? He is back in power again from 2022 till God knows when. Democracy right?!

Angela Merkel was Germany Chancellor from 2005 to 2021..... how many years bro? Ain't they practicing Democracy in Germany?!

This is parliamentary democracy. They don't elect Presidents. They only elect their local Members of Parliament and the party with the most seats then send their party leader to serve as Prime Minister/Chancellor. The Members of Parliament can also unseat the Prime Minister/Chancellor. So there are no term limits because the people do not elect a leader, they only elect their local member of parliament

Leaders in Parliamentary systems can last 20 years or 2 weeks. UK, Israel, Japan, Italy, Germany all practice various forms of parliamentary system, and they all have leaders that can last a long time (Thatcher) or few weeks (Liz Truzz). Same way Italy, Japan and Israel have long serving guys (Berlusconi, Shinzo Abe, Netanyahu) and guys that may last few weeks, while the German guys are usually long standing.

It's actually more democratic than Presidential system and my favourite form of democracy. If your local MP dey fúck up, you can actually go to his weekly surgery and hold him by the balls

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 2:50pm On Aug 31, 2023
Ibime:


This is parliamentary democracy. They don't elect Presidents/Prime Ministers.They only elect their local Members of Parliament and the party with the most seats then send their party leader to serve as Prime Minister/Chancellor. The Members of Parliament can also unseat the Prime Minister/Chancellor. So there are no term limits because the people do not elect a leader, they only elect their local member of parliament

Leaders in Parliamentary systems can last 20 years or 2 weeks. UK, Israel, Japan, Italy, Germany all practice various forms of parliamentary system, and they all have leaders that can last a long time (Thatcher) or few weeks (Liz Truzz). Same way Italy, Japan and Israel have long serving guys (Berlusconi, Shinzo Abe, Netanyahu) and guys that may last few weeks, while the German guys are usually long standing.

It's actually more democratic than Presidential system and my favourite form of democracy.


....I know bro. The point I am trying to make is; an individual spending years in power ain't peculiar to Africa alone.

In addition, I prefer parliamentarian system too.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 2:54pm On Aug 31, 2023
OasisX:


grin

.....Benjamin Netanyahu was first elected prime minister of Israel in 1996 and left the Office in 1999 following his defeat to Ehud Barak.

He returned again as prime minister in 2009 and lost the office to oppositions in 2021 after 5 terms [12yrs] in Office.

Guess what? He is back in power again from 2022 till God knows when. Democracy right?!

Angela Merkel was Germany Chancellor from 2005 to 2021..... how many years bro? Ain't they practicing Democracy in Germany?!


No. There are no term limits for German Chancellor. This one is elected by German parliament. This one is the head of government. This one cannot sign law or declare war.

Germany has president. There's term limits for this one. This one is the head of states.

I don't even know what your position is at this point.

Are you for hanging on to power for a very long time in the guise of western democracy just like in Rwanda( changing constitution to suit his agenda) ?

Where do you belong.?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 2:55pm On Aug 31, 2023
monerozi5590:



Rwanda is peaceful/ security is top notch but I don't understand why someone would like to hold on to power for a very long time.

This guy keeps changing constitution to hold on to power. This guy has been in power since 2000 and he is even saying he will contest next year. This to me is not democracy.

There's nothing like vice president post in Rwanda.

The guy just remove khaki, na still military en be.
He's truly loved
Since 2000 fa
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 2:57pm On Aug 31, 2023
OasisX:
.....if you have a Leader doing well like Kagame, allow him to keep power as long as he can.

But, if your Leader is like Biya, do everything humanly possible to oust him from Office.

grin grin grin. More like meritocracy. This is not western democracy
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 2:58pm On Aug 31, 2023
monerozi5590:



No. There are no term limits for German Chancellor. This one is elected by German parliament. This one is the head of government. This one cannot sign law or declare war.

Germany has president. There's term limits for this one. This one is the head of states.

I don't even know what your position is at this point.

Are you for hanging on to power for a very long time in the guise of western democracy just like in Rwanda( changing constitution to suit his agenda) ?

Where do you belong.?


....where I stand is clear bro. If as a Leader your policies are helping the country grow and developing well, hang on to power until you achieve your targets.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 3:04pm On Aug 31, 2023
iamoyindamola:

He's truly loved
Since 2000 fa


The guy d try but some d call am dictator. En the oppress voices wei d in disagreement with some of his takes.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by monerozi5590: 3:06pm On Aug 31, 2023
OasisX:


....where I stand is clear bro. If as a Leader your policies are helping the country grow and developing well, hang on to power until you achieve your targets.


grin grin grin. Like Obasanjo wanted to do it that year ba?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:07pm On Aug 31, 2023
Roland17:


If that is what you got then that’s you. All we are saying is, HOLD YOUR CRIMINAL LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ROT AFRICA IS ENDURING.

Stop blaming the West at your convenience for the mess in Africa.

FOR ONCE! Let us hold ourselves and own our failures as a continent. Being Pan African doesn’t translate into blaming the West for every little thing!
If anything, it means taking ownership of your failures and finding ways to address them locally.

Your point is noted and appreciated. But we are not just fighting our corrupt leaders. That's the simple part. We are also fighting those who use them. It's not just the dog it's also its master.

The people of Niger have dealt with a corrupt leader but they now have to fight his master.

Niger ousted their corrupt leader but then Kamala Harris calls Tinubu (in disguise as ECOWAS) and asks him to invade Niger to restore the corruption (in disguise as restoring democracy).

Niger has asked the French diplomatic missions to leave, why are they foot-dragging like it's their fatherland?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:10pm On Aug 31, 2023
OasisX:


grin

......hence Putin and Xinjiang ain't Presidents of their respective Countries?!
These are not practicing democracy.

Like what Mone.. said, do what's constitutional. If the constitution allows for life tenure no problem as long as the poeple are OK with it.

As for Africa right now, based on where we are as a developing continent, no leader should last more than two tenures.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:12pm On Aug 31, 2023
raumdeuter:


Is France forcing them to stay in CFA? Some countries have left and some CHOSE to stay
Yes. And that's what we are against. Those who left had to go through military coup to do so. Why?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 3:13pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:

Yes. And that's what we are against.

There are countries who have left CFA, have they been invaded? There are non French colonies who voluntarily opted to be part of CFA
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by grandstar(m): 3:14pm On Aug 31, 2023
Roland17:
@Ibime

Let’s not forget to remind them that 40 out of 54 African countries print their currencies in Europe, including countries that were not colonized by the French.

Remind them that even some European countries like Denmark print their currency outside of Denmark because it is cheaper.

Remind them that France pays incredible amounts of interests for helping them defend their currency from inflation and for keeping it.

Most importantly, remind them that they have leaders who need to be held to the highest standard!

I can just imagine the collosal cost involved. It would cost billions if not tens of billions to maintain a rigid peg to the Euro

Nigeria and Ghana which are not CFA nations have seen their currencies lose over 75% over the pass 10 years while the CFA has maintained the same rate for close to 30 years (next year makes it 30).

The currency is definitely overvalued.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 3:14pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:

These are not practicing democracy.

Like what Mone.. said, do what's constitutional. If the constitution allows for life tenure no problem as long as the poeple are OK with it.

As for Africa right now, based on where we are as a developing continent, no leader should last more than two tenures.

Why? Are you the people of the place? If they want just 1 tenure or they want 10 tenures what is your own

Gadaffi wey most Africans like to celebrate, how many tenures did he use
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:16pm On Aug 31, 2023
raumdeuter:


There are countries who have left CFA, have they been invaded? There are non French colonies who voluntarily opted to be part of CFA
Brother, isn't Niger trying to pull out? Why is France asking Nigeria to invade them?

On one hand you ask them to leave then ignore the other hand holding them down.

Don't worry, these countries are already pushing to leave FrancAfrique
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:17pm On Aug 31, 2023
raumdeuter:


Why? Are you the people of the place? If they want just 1 tenure or they want 10 tenures what is your own

Gadaffi wey most Africans like to celebrate, how many tenures did he use
That was just a personal opinion. I already said they should follow their constitution. smiley
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 3:17pm On Aug 31, 2023
Roland17:
@Ibime

Let’s not forget to remind them that 40 out of 54 African countries print their currencies in Europe, including countries that were not colonized by the French.

Remind them that even some European countries like Denmark print their currency outside of Denmark because it is cheaper.

Remind them that France pays incredible amounts of interests for helping them defend their currency from inflation and for keeping it.

Most importantly, remind them that they have leaders who need to be held to the highest standard!

The concept of money is still not clear to many. Money needs to have value, what gives money value? By pegging it to an internationally recognized and acceptable exchange like Gold, Dollar Euros etc

The CFA countries have the option to print their own currency without French backup and see how it fares
Zimbabwe tried it and we saw what became of the currency when Everyone denied it.

If any useless African leader don attach anti west sentiments, he is already a winner. Shebi Idi Amin sef say he dey fight foreigners and expelled all of them from Uganda. What happened to the economy afterwards
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 3:18pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:
Brother, isn't Niger trying to pull out? Why is France asking Nigeria to invade them?

On one hand you ask them to leave then ignore the other hand holding them down.

Don't worry, these countries are already pushing to leave FrancAfrique

Trying to pull out? How long does a pull out take? Make the announcement and print your own money sharp.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:19pm On Aug 31, 2023
grandstar:


I can just imagine the collosal cost involved. It would cost billions if not tens of billions to maintain a rigid peg to the Euro

Nigeria and Ghana which are not CFA nations have seen their currencies lose over 75% over the pass 10 years while the CFA has maintained the same rate for close to 30 years (next year makes it 30).

The currency is definitely overvalued.
France is using the mandatory foreign reserve of those African countries to keep their currency afloat.

But even if France wants to do so, it should not be mandatory.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:20pm On Aug 31, 2023
raumdeuter:


Trying to pull out? How long does a pull out take? Make the announcement and print your own money sharp.
You could as well ask France to stop buying crude oil or gold from Africa.

The idea is to have a symbiosis not parasitism.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 3:21pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:
You could as well ask France to stop buying crude oil or gold from Africa.

The idea is to have a symbiosis not parasitism.

Are they not paying for the gold or crude? They exchange money for crude/gold abi shey dem dey owe ni
You can also refuse to sell

Niger should pull out of CFA quick no delay
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 3:23pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:

France is using the mandatory foreign reserve of those African countries to keep their currency afloat.

But even if France wants to do so, it should not be mandatory.

Stop peddling lies.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Roland17(m): 3:25pm On Aug 31, 2023
Spy360:

You could as well ask France to stop buying crude oil or gold from Africa.

The idea is to have a symbiosis not parasitism.

If they don’t sell to the West, who are they selling to? Are the West getting the crude oil for free?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 3:27pm On Aug 31, 2023

The $3 billion crude repayment loan the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) Limited announced it sealed with the African Export-Import (Afrexim) Bank has reportedly stalled as other lenders that were supposed to be a part of the syndicated transaction are said to have backed out sources tell MoneyCentral.

“Afrexim was supposed to put down only $250 million which was to help bring on board other lenders as they are already heavily exposed to Nigeria and have obligor limits. The NNPC MD Mele Kyari then announced the money was to be used to shore up the naira and other lenders got cold feet,” a source told MoneyCentral.

There is no mention of the deal on Afrexim Bank’s website a search by MoneyCentral showed. Meanwhile the Central Bank of Nigeria (CBN) gross reserves have not seen any accretion, and are down 0.2% to $33.68 billion since the announcement was made on August 16th.

The West African region already accounted for 45% of loans from the Afrexim Bank as at the first quarter of 2023, according to data from its financials.
https://moneycentral.com.ng/exclusive/article/nnpc-3bn-afrexim-loan-deal-stalls-as-lenders-hesitate/

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:29pm On Aug 31, 2023
Roland17:


If they don’t sell to the West, who are they selling to? Are the West getting the crude oil for free?
👇🏼
The idea is to have symbiosis not parasitism.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 3:30pm On Aug 31, 2023
Roland17:


Stop peddling lies.
What's the truth? That African countries don't have reserves in France?

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