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Science, physical processes, clinical surgeries, stocks and trade all fail. Their failure doesn't make them useless or meaningless. Saying some dreams fail,hence dismiss all dreams is fallacious. Get the simple one line point into your head before roaming around aimlessly.

The difference is this.
In science and medicine, they have been studied and we have high success rates. Lemme give example, if I give ACT for 10 patients and only 1 gets cured of malaria, then its deemed failure. And there would be research on why there was treatment failure, better drugs would be researched on to take the place of ACT. That's science.
Another example, if I do appendectomy on a patient with suspected acute appendicitis, and he reports 1 month later with right iliac fossa tenderness. That's a treatment failure. And the patient is re-investigated til a final diagnosis is made. If a diagnosis isn't made, he is referred to a higher center.
Notice in these scenarios, there are procedures and due processes.
If I had a dream and it never comes to pass, what do I do? Is there a mechanism to determine why the dream didn’t come true?
If I keep on dreaming thousands of dreams and only one comes true, would I say dreams come true? Compare it to if I keep on treating 1000 salmonellosis cases with quinolones, and only one gets treated.

jaephoenix:

Why are you reflecting? Reed doesn't believe in the stories on your buybull. Please answer the question , or simply say you don't know

In that case, it was probably none of your business. Go and read your Bible if you insist.

jaephoenix:

The difference is this.
In science and medicine, they have been studied and we have high success rates. Lemme give example, if I give ACT for 10 patients and only 1 gets cured of malaria, then its deemed failure. And there would be research on why there was treatment failure, better drugs would be researched on to take the place of ACT. That's science.
Another example, if I do appendectomy on a patient with suspected acute appendicitis, and he reports 1 month later with right iliac fossa tenderness. That's a treatment failure. And the patient is re-investigated til a final diagnosis is made. If a diagnosis isn't made, he is referred to a higher center.
Notice in these scenarios, there are procedures and due processes.
If I had a dream and it never comes to pass, what do I do? Is there a mechanism to determine why the dream didn’t come true?
If I keep on dreaming thousands of dreams and only one comes true, would I say dreams come true? Compare it to if I keep on treating 1000 salmonellosis cases with quinolones, and only one gets treated.

i did not say that they were the same, did i? FOCUS. They both have room for failure. Failure does not mean that any should be dismissed.

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In that case, it was probably none of your business. Go and read your Bible if you insist.

Sit down and think about the concept of jesus you are worshipping.

Dtruthspeaker:


You be serpent true true. People flinch for nothing abi? Or people just sleep and wish to dream nightmares abi? Your lies never end

Abeg goan sleep your brain is overheating. Bwahahahahahaha!

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i did not say that they were the same, did i? FOCUS. They both have room for failure. Failure does not mean that any should be dismissed.

Right. Lemme ask you a question.
Can you fly with wings? Yes or no

jaephoenix:

People dream due to contents of their memory. There's nothing spiritual about it.

Why are you guys so full of shit? Do we not know our memories again? How many times have we had dreams of things we have never experienced or seen before?

Who has not experienced what is called out of body experience?

The bottom line is that you are exercising your power to delude yourself like Obi's followers saying that Tinubu is not the president.

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In that case, it was probably none of your business. Go and read your Bible if you insist.

Lol. This deflection is world class. Lemme leave you alone.
Next time don't quote fairy tales during serious scientific discourse. Thank you

LordReed:


Can you give any evidence based demonstration of clairvoyance and/or telepathy that was recorded?

Sometimes it's important to understand the real content of every comment before we run commentaries. Please read what I wrote again.

LordReed:

Nostradamus didn't predict anything. You just have people retroactively reading meaning into his writings.

Nostradamus didn't predict anything, For real?

Even Athos Salomé also didn't predict anything?

Okay! Whatever you think, you are right

Dtruthspeaker:


Why are you guys so full of shit? Do we not know our memories again? How many times have we had dreams of things we have never experienced or seen before?

Who has not experienced what is called out of body experience?

The bottom line is that you are exercising your power to delude yourself like Obi's followers saying that Tinubu is not the president.

No, I haven't experienced out of body experiences.
And yes, people on psychedelic drugs/herbs do experience them. Doesn't make them real or spiritual. Its just part of your brain doing stuff under influence of the drugs. Also people who claim to do so, may be lying since til now, nobody has ever proven to actually move out of their bodies.
Again bro. Pity yourself and stay out of scientific arguments. You don't have the arsenal for it

jaephoenix:

Some predictions do come through of course. If not, how would people win Naijabet. But they are predictions based on experiences and data from previous matches, leading to one to make a logical conclusion. And of course, they can fail since matches throw up unexpected results leading to loss of bets. Can you say your predictions are always correct? No. Can one base his or her betting on your predictions? No. That is how the law of averages work. You win some, you lose some.
About the sixth sense research, it hasn't been scientifically proven. Its speculation and theory but wasn't proven.
This is what I gathered from LiveScience,
The new study, detailed Monday (Jan. 13) in the journal PLOS ONE, found that what people perceive as a sixth sense may simply be their vision systems detecting changes they can't articulate.

"People can sense things that they believe they cannot see," such as changes in a person's appearance, said study co-author Piers Howe, a vision scientist at the University of Melbourne in Australia. "But this isn't anything magical or a sixth sense; this can be explained in terms of known visual processing."
https://www.livescience.com/42635-esp-sixth-sense-just-vision.html

When did I ever say it is anything magical?don't you guys read before you post comments?

Maynman:

Cause and effect are the same event.

Well, it's a controversial ideology in the body of philosophy. Some philosophers support it while some are against it. Speaking for myself, I do not believe it. However, it may not be totally false, in the sense that. You can choose your actions, but you don't get to choose the consequences of your actions.

FRANCISTOWN:


Well, it's a controversial ideology in the body of philosophy. Some philosophers support it while some are against it. Speaking for myself, I do not believe it. However, it may not be totally false, in the sense that. You can choose your actions, but you don't get to choose the consequences of your actions.

It's not something to believe.

Whether you choose actions or not, there is always an action even when you sleep.
Cause and effect are same thing split into 2 parts like head and tail of a cat, but it is just one cat, one event .

jaephoenix:

No, I haven't experienced out of body experiences.
And yes, people on psychedelic drugs/herbs do experience them. Doesn't make them real or spiritual. Its just part of your brain doing stuff under influence of the drugs. Also people who claim to do so, may be lying since til now, nobody has ever proven to actually move out of their bodies.
Again bro. Pity yourself and stay out of scientific arguments. You don't have the arsenal for it

Now you prove that you just love lying for everyone experiences out of body experience. That is one of the jolts life gives to people to remind them that they are not in charge of it as they think and wish. So, keep your delusions.

LordReed:

Abeg goan sleep your brain is overheating. Bwahahahahahaha!

See am! Liar no get wetin e wan talk again! Boohahahahahahahaha

FRANCISTOWN:


Sometimes it's important to understand the real content of every comment before we run commentaries. Please read what I wrote again.



Nostradamus didn't predict anything, For real?

Even Athos Salomé also didn't predict anything?

Okay! Whatever you think, you are right

You said clairvoyance and telepathy are nothing spiritual so I want to know if you have any evidence that these are actual phenomena. If you don't have just say you don't have, it's not an attempt to argue or anything of the sort.

I don't know who Athos Salomé is. Nostradamus' writings are only interpreted retrospectively. If you have his writings tell us one thing he predicted that is yet to occur so we can keep it in view.

Dtruthspeaker:


See am! Liar no get wetin e wan talk again! Boohahahahahahahaha

Na your brain don knock na why you dey yarn opkats. LMFAO!!

jaephoenix:

So what 'machines' are you using? And how do you calibrate and use them?

Why do you ask patients "how do you feel/what is wrong with you?"
Why don't you connect your machines to a person and then say to them "you have food poisoning, typhoid, malaria and syphilis."

LordReed:


Na your brain don knock na why you dey yarn opkats. LMFAO!!

Everytime you open mouth na lie dey always come out. That na why dem dey recall your model put am for incinerator. hehehehehe

Busybrain2233:
Oga readwell, That's their reason for saying it's spiritually related.

And which do you say it is, Mr. Look like like he is sitting in the fence?

We are you leaning towards saying it's physical alone.

FRANCISTOWN:


This is what I honestly think about dream.

In the 19s, a Professor at Duke University, Dr. Banks did a research. And thru that research it was discovered that every human on earth has something called the 6th sense otherwise known as "extra sensory" mode of perception.

To be put simply, let's call it instinct.

The research resolved that this 6th sense is located somewhere at the centre of the human brain, but no one has been able to state exactly where it is, or what it is. Stay with me.

So basically what does this "extra sensory". It's responsible for clairvoyance and telepathy.

That's why some people leave a certain place before bad things occur and when you ask them, they'll say they just felt like or their mind spoke to them.

Gamblers also use this 6th sense in card selection and in reading their opponents' mind.

However, just like some people have very sharp taste bud or very good eyesight. This sixth sense is also very active in some people as opposed to others.

Let's make this point 1.

I believe your people have finished mapping out the brain, yet they did not find that elusive 6th sense.

But o, antiGod can not accept the alternative.

Interpret all these your gibberish for me please

Your writing skill is obviously appalling

Dtruthspeaker:


And which do you say it is, Mr. Look like like he is sitting in the fence?

We are you leaning towards saying it's physical alone.

Busybrain2233:
Interpret all these your gibberish for me please

Is this how hard English is? O I forgot, you generation had bad education hence you lack good imagination and understanding of idioms.

Meanwhile that is where the point is and it is not meant to be explained.

Mr. English speaker suit your self

Perhaps you're from Albert Einstein's generation I guess

Dtruthspeaker:


Is this how hard English is? O I forgot, you generation had bad education hence you lack good imagination and understanding of idioms.

Meanwhile that is where the point is and it is not meant to be explained.

Dtruthspeaker:


Everytime you open mouth na lie dey always come out. That na why dem dey recall your model put am for incinerator. hehehehehe

Except you can never point out the lie, only to be shouting like a deranged mongrel. LoLz

LordReed:


Except you can never point out the lie, only to be shouting like a deranged mongrel. LoLz

I no need to recall anything liar. Dat na why dem call am thread!

Dtruthspeaker:


I no need to recall anything liar. Dat na why dem call am thread!

Bwahahahahahaha! Shior! LMAO!

jaephoenix:

Right. Lemme ask you a question.
Can you fly with wings? Yes or no

Right, FOCUS. Wings of a plane, yes.

jaephoenix:

Lol. This deflection is world class. Lemme leave you alone.
Next time don't quote fairy tales during serious scientific discourse. Thank you

Reflecting, deflecting, maybe you'll soon use genuflecting or perfecting. All these had nothing to do with what i said in a Religion section of a public forum. Lolz, i am talking Bible in Religion section, you are talking scientific discourse, whatever that means. Do you make skits? Are dreams science?

LordReed:


Bwahahahahahaha! Shior! LMAO!

nyahahahahahahahahahaha! Aakor!

FRANCISTOWN:


When did I ever say it is anything magical?don't you guys read before you post comments?

I just added it. But long and short is that sixth sense isn't scientifically correct

Dtruthspeaker:


Now you prove that you just love lying for everyone experiences out of body experience. That is one of the jolts life gives to people to remind them that they are not in charge of it as they think and wish. So, keep your delusions.

Are you Usually this dumb in real life? I just told you I haven't experienced out of body experience and you still insist that I have experienced it. Do you live inside me? If you don't believe me, take a poll on Nairaland and see how many people would tell you they have experienced it