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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by NSNO(m): 3:44pm On Sep 08, 2023
casualobserver:


Oga this is a BS article. These days with turbo and twin turbos, no of cylinders is no longer an indication of power or how fast a car can go.

There are turbocharged 4 cylinder cars have more power than some V8s. The Merced c63 with a 4 cylinder has almost 50% more power than an s580 with a V8!
He did talk about this.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by GYBABA(m): 3:44pm On Sep 08, 2023
shiki:
grin in this current Nigeria, I'm even looking for a car with 2 cylinders

Dey play. Just dey play

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Kelvinsaint(m): 3:54pm On Sep 08, 2023
kiss
jojothaiv:
4, 6, 8 or 12 cylinders, na my leg dey carry me go where I wan go o.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Bluebolt: 3:55pm On Sep 08, 2023
Everyone of the configurations has it purpose, ••just moving alone from point a to point b you go for 4 cylinder engine.. You like moving with some baggage and people , then go for 6 cylinder … for moving your entire crew, machineries and tools you go for 8 cylinders… the more crazy you are about speed the more you increase your cylinder number from 8 to 10 to 12 and may be to 16.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by AutoHubNG(m): 3:59pm On Sep 08, 2023
Thinking about rolling with a 2.0 turbo diesel myself. Petrol nor be anybodi mate nowadays O... 😜
shiki:
grin in this current Nigeria, I'm even looking for a car with 2 cylinders

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by AutoHubNG(m): 4:00pm On Sep 08, 2023
Thank you. 🙏🏽
NSNO:

He did talk about this.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by XAUBulls: 4:03pm On Sep 08, 2023
AutoHubNG:
You probably understand the importance of your car’s engine because without a working engine, you won’t get very far, but most of us don’t know much about how vehicle engines work. When identifying your car’s engine type, it usually comes down to the cylinders. So, what exactly is a cylinder? We’ll go over this, as well as some other engine parts you should know about.

Cylinders are an important part of your car’s engine. Whenever you look at the engine bay of either a newer or an older car, you’ll see the configuration as it’s usually quite noticeable even if it’s only just a quick glance. The cylinders are usually located in front and at the centre. Most of us associate the number of cylinders with power, and there’s nothing wrong with that. However, that isn’t always the case.

Car cylinders are a lot like the pot you use to cook your food. It’s not the cylinder itself that is powerful, but what it holds. Car cylinders contain fuel; the more cylinders you have, the more fuel you can use at one time. It’s the same with cooking pots and pans. You can’t cook 2 litres of soup in a 1-litre pot.

Now with that said, let’s briefly touch on a few parts:

The cylinders – are made of durable metal and are sealed at one end. The other end opens and closes. The cylinder has a tight-fitting piston that slides up and down, and two valves that open and close to let something in or shut everything out.

Intake valve – lets fuel and air into the cylinder (from the carburetor or injector).

Exhaust valve – allows exhaust gases to escape.

Spark plug – sits at the top of the cylinder and it creates a spark that ignites the fuel.

Piston – is located at the bottom of the cylinder and is attached to a shaft called the crankshaft.

Crankshaft – provides power to the car’s transmission and drives the wheels.


The real difference between 4, 6, 8, 12… cylinders

If you should only know one thing about car engines, it should be the difference between a 4-cylinder, 6-cylinder, 8-cylinder, & a 12-cylinder engine (could be more – it was intentional to use the image of a W-16 Bugatti engine in the title-graphic). Since cylinders are like cooking utensils that hold fuel, the more you have, the more fuel you burn. When you have more cylinders, you create more motion to turn the crankshaft, which provides more power to the car. But as you may have discovered by now, more cylinders also mean you’ll burn a lot more fuel, and faster.

That’s why faster or more powerful cars are almost always less fuel-efficient than most economy cars. But don’t make the mistake of thinking that more cylinders equals a faster car. Again, that is not always the case. In fact, most trucks and pick-ups use 6, 8, 10 or even 12-cylinder engines in some cases – but you won’t see an F150 winning a race against a regular sized 6-cylinder sports car. More cylinders mean more power, period. The design of the car, however – dictates how that power is distributed. And modern technology to add to that, has usurped “size” – redefining how much power can be gotten out of “smaller” engines via the manipulation of air – “forced induction” through a modified air intake contrivance based on the principle that more air in the combustion process greatly creates a higher of output of power, and they are usually called Turbochargers or Superchargers. Slight variation in how they operate, however, they both carry out similar functions nonetheless.

Also, pistons matter a lot during this stage – as you might imagine (or not imagine), pistons are subjected to a lot of heat and pressure during all combustion processes. When the pistons are able to move with more force, the combustion will be more powerful, and the car will in turn move with more force.

Conclusion

When choosing between a 4, 6, 8, 10, or a 12-cylinder engine, it’s all about personal preference. If fuel economy is most important to you, you’ll want an inline 4-cylinder engine. If you want to balance fuel economy and speed, then I strongly urge you to consider a 4-cylinder turbocharged engine which can be found in many German sub-compact, compact and mid-size luxury category of vehicles post 2015. To get pure power, a 6-cylinder turbocharged engine may be right for you. Then if you’ve got the means and fuelling (especially now that a sizeable chunk of our income goes into this – God abeg O) isn’t really a problem for you, and you really really long for that your dream powerful ultra-high performance V8 car – then by all measure go for it! There are few pleasures in life; driving the ultimate behemoth is definitely amongst that list…

And as you may know, the best way to determine which car is best for you is to carry out research on it first then take it out for a test drive to see if its performance on an open road will fulfill your heart’s desire but please don’t forget your pocket level O at the end of the day.

Do have yourself a pleasant drive. And as always, thanks for taking out your precious time to read this piece.


https://autohub.ng/blog/the-differences-between-4-6-8-12-cylinders/
insightful!

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by AutoHubNG(m): 4:07pm On Sep 08, 2023
Confam Leggedis Benz NM<Naija Man> 250 (DOB is model year) 1.2Hp😁💪🏽
jojothaiv:
4, 6, 8 or 12 cylinders, na my leg dey carry me go where I wan go o.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by MightySparrow: 4:08pm On Sep 08, 2023
shiki:
grin in this current Nigeria, I'm even looking for a car with 2 cylinders


No cylinder at all.

Egbe

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Intergrated: 4:09pm On Sep 08, 2023
shiki:
grin in this current Nigeria, I'm even looking for a car with 2 cylinders
half self grin

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by ubest1(m): 4:12pm On Sep 08, 2023
Firstly nothing like v4 rather L4 the ''L'' mean Line or 4 cylinder, the ''V'' shape how the cylinders are lined make up the name V6,V8 and V12.
Secondly ur Camry run on 3.0L with Horsepower rating of 194 @ 5,200 rpm why 2010 L4 Corolla at 132 Horsepower @ 6,000 rpm with dual overhead camshaft running with 128 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm Torque ur V6 Camry will struggle to see it break light

IPDGP:
I think when it comes to car, the number of cylinder matters ooo
My 2000 Camry V6 no v4 car has ever outrun me if I really want to run or find a challenger

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Kaycee9242(m): 4:13pm On Sep 08, 2023
MorataFC:
Nice article but you should have given us an example
Like; Toyota Land Cruiser is a 4, 8, 12 cylinder e.t.c.

He might not be able to do that because most times you will see a particular brand of car same year and all but different cylinders, i have seen 08 accords, 2.4 camry with some having 4 cylinder and some 6 cylinder

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by bergs2: 4:24pm On Sep 08, 2023
shiki:
grin in this current Nigeria, I'm even looking for a car with 2 cylinders

Just kuku buy motorcycle

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by adspelite(m): 4:24pm On Sep 08, 2023
I enjoyed reading this article, it's educational.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by AutoHubNG(m): 4:25pm On Sep 08, 2023
Exactly! Different trims in a model year. It will likely lead to further confusion listing any. Oil dey ya head abeg. 🙌🏽
Kaycee9242:


He might not be able to do that because most times you will see a particular brand of car same year and all but different cylinders, i have seen 08 accords, 2.4 camry with some having 4 cylinder and some 6 cylinder

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by NaBanga: 4:51pm On Sep 08, 2023
For the love of all that you have, do not buy an 8 cylinder. I am in the "West" and thought I was being BIG. I'm crying over fuel as we speak, as prices continue to rise. cry

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by ArsenWinner: 4:57pm On Sep 08, 2023
shiki:
grin in this current Nigeria, I'm even looking for a car with 2 cylinders
Keke NAPEP is ok for u then

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by DonXavi(m): 5:04pm On Sep 08, 2023
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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Goldbw122(m): 5:38pm On Sep 08, 2023
AutoHubNG:
You probably understand the importance of your car’s engine because without a working engine, you won’t get very far, but most of us don’t know much about how vehicle engines work. When identifying your car’s engine type, it usually comes down to the cylinders. So, what exactly is a cylinder? We’ll go over this, as well as some other engine parts you should know about.

Cylinders are an important part of your car’s engine. Whenever you look at the engine bay of either a newer or an older car, you’ll see the configuration as it’s usually quite noticeable even if it’s only just a quick glance. The cylinders are usually located in front and at the centre. Most of us associate the number of cylinders with power, and there’s nothing wrong with that. However, that isn’t always the case.

Car cylinders are a lot like the pot you use to cook your food. It’s not the cylinder itself that is powerful, but what it holds. Car cylinders contain fuel; the more cylinders you have, the more fuel you can use at one time. It’s the same with cooking pots and pans. You can’t cook 2 litres of soup in a 1-litre pot.

Now with that said, let’s briefly touch on a few parts:

The cylinders – are made of durable metal and are sealed at one end. The other end opens and closes. The cylinder has a tight-fitting piston that slides up and down, and two valves that open and close to let something in or shut everything out.

Intake valve – lets fuel and air into the cylinder (from the carburetor or injector).

Exhaust valve – allows exhaust gases to escape.

Spark plug – sits at the top of the cylinder and it creates a spark that ignites the fuel.

Piston – is located at the bottom of the cylinder and is attached to a shaft called the crankshaft.

Crankshaft – provides power to the car’s transmission and drives the wheels.


The real difference between 4, 6, 8, 12… cylinders

If you should only know one thing about car engines, it should be the difference between a 4-cylinder, 6-cylinder, 8-cylinder, & a 12-cylinder engine (could be more – it was intentional to use the image of a W-16 Bugatti engine in the title-graphic). Since cylinders are like cooking utensils that hold fuel, the more you have, the more fuel you burn. When you have more cylinders, you create more motion to turn the crankshaft, which provides more power to the car. But as you may have discovered by now, more cylinders also mean you’ll burn a lot more fuel, and faster.

That’s why faster or more powerful cars are almost always less fuel-efficient than most economy cars. But don’t make the mistake of thinking that more cylinders equals a faster car. Again, that is not always the case. In fact, most trucks and pick-ups use 6, 8, 10 or even 12-cylinder engines in some cases – but you won’t see an F150 winning a race against a regular sized 6-cylinder sports car. More cylinders mean more power, period. The design of the car, however – dictates how that power is distributed. And modern technology to add to that, has usurped “size” – redefining how much power can be gotten out of “smaller” engines via the manipulation of air – “forced induction” through a modified air intake contrivance based on the principle that more air in the combustion process greatly creates a higher of output of power, and they are usually called Turbochargers or Superchargers. Slight variation in how they operate, however, they both carry out similar functions nonetheless.

Also, pistons matter a lot during this stage – as you might imagine (or not imagine), pistons are subjected to a lot of heat and pressure during all combustion processes. When the pistons are able to move with more force, the combustion will be more powerful, and the car will in turn move with more force.

Conclusion

When choosing between a 4, 6, 8, 10, or a 12-cylinder engine, it’s all about personal preference. If fuel economy is most important to you, you’ll want an inline 4-cylinder engine. If you want to balance fuel economy and speed, then I strongly urge you to consider a 4-cylinder turbocharged engine which can be found in many German sub-compact, compact and mid-size luxury category of vehicles post 2015. To get pure power, a 6-cylinder turbocharged engine may be right for you. Then if you’ve got the means and fuelling (especially now that a sizeable chunk of our income goes into this – God abeg O) isn’t really a problem for you, and you really really long for that your dream powerful ultra-high performance V8 car – then by all measure go for it! There are few pleasures in life; driving the ultimate behemoth is definitely amongst that list…

And as you may know, the best way to determine which car is best for you is to carry out research on it first then take it out for a test drive to see if its performance on an open road will fulfill your heart’s desire but please don’t forget your pocket level O at the end of the day.

Do have yourself a pleasant drive. And as always, thanks for taking out your precious time to read this piece.


https://autohub.ng/blog/the-differences-between-4-6-8-12-cylinders/

So far e dey move no problem...

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by magzey: 6:00pm On Sep 08, 2023
IPDGP:
I think when it comes to car, the number of cylinder matters ooo
My 2000 Camry V6 no v4 car has ever outrun me if I really want to run or find a challenger
FOR THIS TINUBU ERA EVEN KEKE FIT PASS YOU NOW, No be challenge you want? you will burn fuel tire grin grin grin

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by kernniejay(m): 6:02pm On Sep 08, 2023
dammyllare:

Continue lying to yourself, bring it near my dua vvti v4 2010 highlander if I won't give you 500m ahead and still dust you on a trip to IB
Yours is an SUV, tyre size/height also has speed advantage. just like when a short man and tall man are walking side by side, due to his long legs the tall man has a wider strides and tends to walk faster than the short man.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by professore(m): 6:05pm On Sep 08, 2023
Ok
Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by esemes256: 6:13pm On Sep 08, 2023
I think this 4, 6, 8, or 12 cylinder stuff is just one factor that can indicate how much power a car can produce. Several other factors come into play that will determine how fast a car can go, especially from zero to 100 kilometers per hour.
As a layman living in post-fuel subsidy era, I only talk about low to medium weight 4 cylinder cars that have a reputation for rock-solid reliability. (I no fit shout). The cost of fuel is draining our purse.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by drsibz66(m): 6:29pm On Sep 08, 2023
AutoHubNG:
You probably understand the importance of your car’s engine because without a working engine, you won’t get very far, but most of us don’t know much about how vehicle engines work. When identifying your car’s engine type, it usually comes down to the cylinders. So, what exactly is a cylinder? We’ll go over this, as well as some other engine parts you should know about.

Cylinders are an important part of your car’s engine. Whenever you look at the engine bay of either a newer or an older car, you’ll see the configuration as it’s usually quite noticeable even if it’s only just a quick glance. The cylinders are usually located in front and at the centre. Most of us associate the number of cylinders with power, and there’s nothing wrong with that. However, that isn’t always the case.

Car cylinders are a lot like the pot you use to cook your food. It’s not the cylinder itself that is powerful, but what it holds. Car cylinders contain fuel; the more cylinders you have, the more fuel you can use at one time. It’s the same with cooking pots and pans. You can’t cook 2 litres of soup in a 1-litre pot.

Now with that said, let’s briefly touch on a few parts:

The cylinders – are made of durable metal and are sealed at one end. The other end opens and closes. The cylinder has a tight-fitting piston that slides up and down, and two valves that open and close to let something in or shut everything out.

Intake valve – lets fuel and air into the cylinder (from the carburetor or injector).

Exhaust valve – allows exhaust gases to escape.

Spark plug – sits at the top of the cylinder and it creates a spark that ignites the fuel.

Piston – is located at the bottom of the cylinder and is attached to a shaft called the crankshaft.

Crankshaft – provides power to the car’s transmission and drives the wheels.


The real difference between 4, 6, 8, 12… cylinders

If you should only know one thing about car engines, it should be the difference between a 4-cylinder, 6-cylinder, 8-cylinder, & a 12-cylinder engine (could be more – it was intentional to use the image of a W-16 Bugatti engine in the title-graphic). Since cylinders are like cooking utensils that hold fuel, the more you have, the more fuel you burn. When you have more cylinders, you create more motion to turn the crankshaft, which provides more power to the car. But as you may have discovered by now, more cylinders also mean you’ll burn a lot more fuel, and faster.

That’s why faster or more powerful cars are almost always less fuel-efficient than most economy cars. But don’t make the mistake of thinking that more cylinders equals a faster car. Again, that is not always the case. In fact, most trucks and pick-ups use 6, 8, 10 or even 12-cylinder engines in some cases – but you won’t see an F150 winning a race against a regular sized 6-cylinder sports car. More cylinders mean more power, period. The design of the car, however – dictates how that power is distributed. And modern technology to add to that, has usurped “size” – redefining how much power can be gotten out of “smaller” engines via the manipulation of air – “forced induction” through a modified air intake contrivance based on the principle that more air in the combustion process greatly creates a higher of output of power, and they are usually called Turbochargers or Superchargers. Slight variation in how they operate, however, they both carry out similar functions nonetheless.

Also, pistons matter a lot during this stage – as you might imagine (or not imagine), pistons are subjected to a lot of heat and pressure during all combustion processes. When the pistons are able to move with more force, the combustion will be more powerful, and the car will in turn move with more force.

Conclusion

When choosing between a 4, 6, 8, 10, or a 12-cylinder engine, it’s all about personal preference. If fuel economy is most important to you, you’ll want an inline 4-cylinder engine. If you want to balance fuel economy and speed, then I strongly urge you to consider a 4-cylinder turbocharged engine which can be found in many German sub-compact, compact and mid-size luxury category of vehicles post 2015. To get pure power, a 6-cylinder turbocharged engine may be right for you. Then if you’ve got the means and fuelling (especially now that a sizeable chunk of our income goes into this – God abeg O) isn’t really a problem for you, and you really really long for that your dream powerful ultra-high performance V8 car – then by all measure go for it! There are few pleasures in life; driving the ultimate behemoth is definitely amongst that list…

And as you may know, the best way to determine which car is best for you is to carry out research on it first then take it out for a test drive to see if its performance on an open road will fulfill your heart’s desire but please don’t forget your pocket level O at the end of the day.

Do have yourself a pleasant drive. And as always, thanks for taking out your precious time to read this piece.


https://autohub.ng/blog/the-differences-between-4-6-8-12-cylinders/

Simple pictures attached would have explained better. No offence just a suggestion.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Bukola94(m): 6:32pm On Sep 08, 2023
shiki:
grin in this current Nigeria, I'm even looking for a car with 2 cylinders
Go for 3cylinders,that is manageable

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Bukola94(m): 6:37pm On Sep 08, 2023
IPDGP:
I think when it comes to car, the number of cylinder matters ooo
My 2000 Camry V6 no v4 car has ever outrun me if I really want to run or find a challenger
that Camry 2000 V6 is not safe, the day I saw one speeding @ high way,I was just shaking my head,because it was dancing and doesn't seem to be balance on the road. Can you post a picture of it?
Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Bukola94(m): 6:47pm On Sep 08, 2023
casualobserver:


These days with turbo and twin turbos, no of cylinders is no longer an indication of power or how fast a car can go.

There are turbocharged 4 cylinder cars have more power than some V8s. The Merced c63 with a 4 cylinder has almost 50% more power than an s580 with a V8!

I expected you to talk about things. Like the smoothness of an engine and the sound because apart from the number of cylinders that’s the real difference between, 4,6,8 and 12 cylinder engines.

4 cylinder engines are usually very harsh and noisy,
There is a difference between V6 and in line 6 (the most perfectly balanced engine is the I6 so it is the smoothest. Because a v12 is essentially 2 inline 6 put together it is also a very smooth engine.

V6 and v8 depends on the angle of the V you usually have 60 or 90degree. V8s tend to have an angry rumble like you get in AmG V8 ( although that is accentuated by the exhaust)

EDIT: I forgot to add that no of cylinders is synonymous with low end torque. So you usually have to rev a 4 cylinder harder (i.e closer towards the red line) than say a V8 although again the introduction of turbos has impacted this.
What is the main difference between V6 & In line 6? The in line 6 engine that you said I mostly see it in Honda Accord cars. My aunty Honda Accord 2008 got speed and balance on the road than Camry 2008. But I don't know if is V6 OR I6 or 4Cylinders,it is a fuel drunkard and that is one thing I don't like about it
Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by AutoHubNG(m): 6:55pm On Sep 08, 2023
Thanks... We aim to please.
Dogalmighty17:
Thank you for your great post over again. Your content makes niaraland worth visiting. Outside your posts and that of a few others, nairaland has become an empty seriously irritating madhouse where the dumbest of the dumb igbo and yoruba throw shades and unintelligent diatribes at each other.
Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by casualobserver: 6:56pm On Sep 08, 2023
Bukola94:
What is the main difference between V6 & In line 6? The in line 6 engine that you said I mostly see it in Honda Accord cars. My aunty Honda Accord 2008 got speed and balance on the road than Camry 2008. But I don't know if is V6 OR I6 or 4Cylinders,it is a fuel drunkard and that is one thing I don't like about it

An inline 6 (aka straight 6 or I6) has all six cylinders in a straight line, wheras a v6 has 2 banks of 3 cylinders in a V. If your car is a front wheel drive, it is not an Inline 6 because a I6 engine is long, there is no space in a front wheel drive car to fit an inline 6 sideways as well as the transmission. There has never been a Honda with an Inline 6, all Honda 6 cylinders ) and most Japanese 6s today are V6. Toyota and Nissan used to use i6s when they made RWD cars like the old Supra and old 280zx of the 1980s.
See below the different types of 6 cylinder engines. VR6 was used by Volkswagen and flat 6 is used in Porsche 911.

I should also add, you often hear people talking about V4, there is nothing like a V4 engine.

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Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Bukola94(m): 7:10pm On Sep 08, 2023
dammyllare:

Continue lying to yourself, bring it near my dua vvti v4 2010 highlander if I won't give you 500m ahead and still dust you on a trip to IB
2008 Highlander will dust the Camry with 300m gap self. Honda accord coupe 5gears manual will dust the Camry 2k V6.
Re: The Differences Between 4, 6, 8, 12… Cylinders by Day169: 7:12pm On Sep 08, 2023
Great post @ AutoHubNG!
For the benefit of those who may not understand the technicalities of an engine's construction but need to know where they stand as regards fuel consumption and costs in this era, here's a summary.
4 cylinders: Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic.
6 Cylinders: Toyota Highlander (Most of them) and Honda Pilot.
8 Cylinders: Toyota Sequoia and Lexus GX 460.
12 Cylinders: Bentley Continental.
In other words, choose your poison carefully. grin

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