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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 9:18am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

Do you lack appropriate information to reject the fact that I'm sitting beside you now?
I have appropriate information to know that you are not sitting beside me physically!!!
Have scientists proven that supernatural phenomena do not exist?
On what basis do you reject supernatural phenomena?
Is it by what you read in books or what you were?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 9:32am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

Are you aware rain, thunder, flood, sickle cell disease, Infertility etc were at one point attributed to supernatural causes?
I think you're here to score cheap points. I don't think you understand my point. I think it is illogical to draw conclusions without verifiable facts and to reject the supernatural. Please read everything I have mentioned and learn. It seems that your idea of  supernatural is tied exclusively to the religious idea. Prove to me that there are no supernatural phenomena.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 9:38am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

I think you're here atirere cheap points. I don't think you understand my point. I think it is illogical to draw conclusions without verifiable facts and to reject the supernatural. Please read everything I have mentioned and learn. It seems that your idea of  supernatural is tied exclusively to the religious idea. Prove to me that there are no supernatural phenomena.
Even the word "supernatural" has religion connotations, everything you know about "supernatural", all the words you use to explain it comes from religion.

How can you prove what does not exist does not exist?
Where are you going to start from?

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by KnownUnknown: 9:39am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

Prove to me that there are no supernatural phenomena.

First you prove that there is no leprechaun sitting on his shoulder.

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 9:55am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

I think you're here to score cheap points. I don't think you understand my point. I think it is illogical to draw conclusions without verifiable facts and to reject the supernatural. Please read everything I have mentioned and learn. It seems that your idea of  supernatural is tied exclusively to the religious idea. Prove to me that there are no supernatural phenomena.
This is just like a theist saying “prove to me there is no god" which is a bullshit question. He who alleges must provide evidence. And what idea of supernatural is outside religion?
It looks like your scientific knowledge is poor. For you to insinuate that dreams, sleep, gravity etc are supernatural suggests how much knowledge you lack

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 9:57am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

Before I respond to some of your quotes, I would like to ask you what your philosophical beliefs are. Are you an atheist?
Yup
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 10:00am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

I have appropriate information to know that you are not sitting beside me physically!!!
Have scientists proven that supernatural phenomena do not exist?
On what basis do you reject supernatural phenomena?
Is it by what you read in books or what you were?

Ok. We're getting warm. So you have no evidence that I'm beside you spiritually. So you don't know. Do you believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world? And he did it in just 2 minutes?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 10:05am On Sep 09, 2023
KnownUnknown:


First you prove that there is no leprechaun sitting on his shoulder.
That's how mental cases start. We have patients in psyche wards telling us physicians that there are higher beings sending them on errands. And that we can't see them. One of them insisted that he'd stand up throughout the night as instructed, and the nigga did! Stood up like a statue.
Now a nigga here on Nairaland is telling me some supernatural can exist and that the burden of proof lies with me, not him. SMH undecided

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 10:09am On Sep 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:
Now you resort to rambling... what trap are you yapping about now. undecided

I made clear from about my 3rd or 4th post to you that subjective data is not meant to be believed or trusted --- consistently pointed out you have to be high on something to expect me to believe or trust in any experience that I never had myself. Now you resort to twisting the conversation to make it seem we were into some argument? Abegi Waka pass me with that nonsense! undecided
No. You would have simply said yes or no when I asked you . I know how you roll. You can change positions in a twinkling of an eye

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by KnownUnknown: 10:27am On Sep 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:
Now you resort to rambling... what trap are you yapping about now. undecided

I made clear from about my 3rd or 4th post to you that subjective data is not meant to be believed or trusted --- consistently pointed out you have to be high on something to expect me to believe or trust in any experience that I never had myself. Now you resort to twisting the conversation to make it seem we were into some argument? Abegi Waka pass me with that nonsense! undecided

Reading this, one wouldn’t know this clown swears by Hebrew mythology and bullshit.

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 10:54am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

Ok. We're getting warm. So you have no evidence that I'm beside you spiritually. So you don't know. Do you believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world? And he did it in just 2 minutes?
can you answer the question i asked you?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:02am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

Ok. We're getting warm. So you have no evidence that I'm beside you spiritually. So you don't know. Do you believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world? And he did it in just 2 minutes?
I'm sorry to disappoint you. I'm not a Christian.

I am so busy right now. I think you really have time
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:05am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

This is just like a theist saying “prove to me there is no god" which is a bullshit question. He who alleges must provide evidence. And what idea of supernatural is outside religion?
It looks like your scientific knowledge is poor. For you to insinuate that dreams, sleep, gravity etc are supernatural suggests how much knowledge you lack
How do you explain the fine-tuning of the universe for life without invoking a creator?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:08am On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

Even the word "supernatural" has religion connotations, everything you know about "supernatural", all the words you use to explain it comes from religion.

How can you prove what does not exist does not exist?
Where are you going to start from?
Do you see any evidence for purpose or design in the natural world, or is everything the result of blind chance and natural processes?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:11am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

So to you, anything unknown automatically becomes supernatural?
Is it possible that our limited human understanding and scientific knowledge may not fully explain the mysteries of existence? Does Science claim have answer to all questions?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:15am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

You dream because your brain says so. When you sleep some part of your brain like RAS(Reticular Activating System) switches off and some other parts take over
Is it possible that there are aspects of reality that are beyond the scope of current scientific understanding?
How do you respond to the idea that atheism itself is a belief system, and how do you justify its claims?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 11:22am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

Do you see any evidence for purpose or design in the natural world, or is everything the result of blind chance and natural processes?
The purpose of life is life itself, it doesn't have any other purpose.
I ask yesterday, what is the purpose of rain?

Nature means by itself, nature is not a ceramic that was created.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:22am On Sep 09, 2023
correctguy101:



Exactly what this daddy is saying is it's all natural. Lack of information or means doesn't qualify anything as otherwise. As long as it's permitted and observed by any one in the natural world. No matter the form of perception.

Oh, maybe it does, until there's a later enlightenment and new infos are found and understood.

It's all good.
Can you simply provide some explanation to the following questions?

Is consciousness solely a product of material processes, or could there be a non-material aspect to it?

Do you believe that consciousness has any significance or purpose in the grand scheme of things?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:27am On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

The purpose of life is life itself, it doesn't have any other purpose.
I ask yesterday, what is the purpose of rain?

Nature means by itself, nature is not a ceramic that was created.
You sound so illogical!!! So the purpose I eat is because of eating grin grin
Why do you wear clothes?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 11:30am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

You sound so illogical!!! So the purpose I eat is because of eating D
Why do you wear clothes?
You wear clothes because society said so.


When you fart what is the purpose?
When it rains, what is the purpose?
What is the purpose of so many stars?
Nature is by itself.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:35am On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

Even the word "supernatural" has religion connotations, everything you know about "supernatural", all the words you use to explain it comes from religion.

How can you prove what does not exist does not exist?
Where are you going to start from?
when you claims that supernatural powers do not exist; You make a positive statement about the non-existence of supernatural powers. It is therefore generally up to you to provide evidence or arguments to support your claim.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:36am On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

You wear clothes because society said so.


When you fart what is the purpose?
When it rains, what is the purpose?
What is the purpose of so many stars?
Nature is by itself.
Why do you eat?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 11:37am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

when you claims that supernatural powers do not exist;ro make a positive statement about the of supernatural powers. It is therefore generally up to you to provide evidence or arguments to support your claim.
You can't prove that what does not exist does not exist

The evidence is it does not exist, now if you think I am wrong, kindly prove it.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 11:38am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

Why do you eat?
Why do rain fall?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:41am On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

You can't prove that what does not exist does not exist

The evidence is it does not exist, now if you think I am wrong, kindly prove it.
I wasn't the one that said supernatural does not exist. Why should I prove a postulation that i didn't give?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:43am On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

Why do rain fall?
He short of answers grin grin He resolve to asking me this?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 11:45am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

I wasn't the one that "ld supernatural does not exist. Why shou upld I prove a postulation that i didn't give?
Who brought the postulation of "supernatural" and claim it exist?

Or did I just wake and coined the word "supernatural"?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 11:46am On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

He short of answers grin grin He resolve to asking me this?

Stop lying,i asked you this long before you asked this.
Why do rain fall?

And remember you are not a body, you have a body, and it is the body that needs appetite.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:48am On Sep 09, 2023
jaephoenix:

This is just like a theist saying “prove to me there is no god" which is a bullshit question. He who alleges must provide evidence. And what idea of supernatural is outside religion?
It looks like your scientific knowledge is poor. For you to insinuate that dreams, sleep, gravity etc are supernatural suggests how much knowledge you lack
Have you ever accidentally blessed someone when they sneezed? grin grin
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 11:57am On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

Stop lying,i asked you this long before you asked this.
Why do rain fall?

And remember you are not a body, you have a body, and it is the body that needs appetite.
Do you agree with me there is reasons for things?
And again
What initiated the universe's existence, and what caused the Big Bang?
Go straight to my question and stop playing hide and seek
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 12:00pm On Sep 09, 2023
gisevak:

Do you agree with me there is reasons for things?
And again
What initiated the universe's existence, and what caused the Big Bang?
Go straight to my question and stop playing hide and seek
Only the ego requires reasons for things.

Why do rain fall?
Why do you fart?

Stop dodging and answer my question I have been asking you since YESTERDAY.
Your theism emptiness that you are hiding will be exposed.

Why do rain fall?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 12:05pm On Sep 09, 2023
Maynman:

Only the ego requires reasons for things.

Why do rain fall?
Why do you fart?

Stop dodging and answer my question I have been asking you since YESTERDAY.
Your theism emptiness that you are hiding will be exposed.

Why do rain fall?

You are like my friend is an atheist so i am grin grin
How did life originate from non-life, and can you describe the precise steps in abiogenesis?

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