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Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by Raskimonojendor: 2:21pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Because you can't give what you don't have. Obi came 3rd so he can't proof to have come 2nd let alone 1st. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by Christistruth00: 2:22pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Because Peter Obi lost and he knows it 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:24pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Revolution2022: Tell obi to prove them 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:26pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: Not true.nigerians voted for buhari against gej.or are you telling me that the north voted gej |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:27pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
seunmsg: No,the south esp se and SS later switched to incident forms from 3pm but the north already had a headstart |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:28pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: So obi lost then 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by seunmsg(m): 2:29pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
garfield1: It was to late. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:30pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: Oga,when a national agency wants to do online recruitment,do they not suffer glitches,server failures in the first few days despite having larger servers than inec 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 2:32pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
You lack comprehension. Obi's win was lost in the opaque process. Things were changed because the medium to see the changes that would have prevented it was shutdown intentionally and they called it a glitch which till today, they've not explained what caused it garfield1: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:33pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
seunmsg: Yes.i think they started switching after gej couldn't vote at otuoke.i suspect that apc planned for the eventualities while pdp didn't that is why they couldn't meet up.pdp thought that they would be no manual accreditation at all so didn't plan to inflate |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by Frank688915: 2:33pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
obidiotts come and show us where your flat headed boss proof he won the election. bunch of losers ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 2:34pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
How come the NASS elections that uses same BVAS, servers, network and done same time had not glitch? How come NASS uploads were not blurred? garfield1: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by sunray(m): 2:38pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: I am not sure you know IREV report is a photocopy of the result sheets manually prepared at voting centres. Collation started at ward levels. IREV was never meant for collation of results. Sorry you have been deceived. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:39pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: Obi's win couldn't have been lost.they were layers of evidence and documents that could have show obi won.if there was rigging,it was done either during the result upload or at the collation centre which means obi agents had the original result.for instance once results are announced and lp wins a polling unit,it is entered into form ec8a and then each copy is given to party agents present and police.if they want to rig,they will simply tear out that first copy and rewrite a fresh one and upload like it happened in rivers showing apc won.or they can simply change it at the collation centres but that original first copy entered is still with lp agents and police.so why can't they tender it? Concerning glitch,traffic to inec server was too much so it had to shutdown 5 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:44pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: Inec has been having rerun election for nass and guber elections before the general elections,the system was used to that process.they thought that the system will automatically sort itself into a presidential section but it didn't. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 2:44pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Read to understand! According to INEC guidelines, during collation, there should be comparison with IREV. Apart from that, the most important thing is that its difficult to change results that everybody is seeing in real-time! This is the innovation REAL-TIME! That's how blockchain technology works, everybody in the network having a copy so that changes can only be done if everybody's copies are changed. So if you cannot change a result everybody has seen and downloaded, how can you rig? Thats why they shutdown IREV, to put everybody in the dark while they change results overnight at collation centres sunray: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 2:48pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
They did mock exercises for the presidential election. If they were sincere, why are they saying IREV is not mandatory and that they can use any process they like. Tells you they did it intentionally! Even if i agree with you that they genuinely had a glitch, it doesn't explain over 10 thousand blurred results only for presidential election! garfield1: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 2:55pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: Mock exercises does not mean failure won't be recorded during the main process.mock exam doesn't mean people won't fail waec,it only reduced incidence of failure.yoi cannot assume they did it intentionally,you must prove it totally and also prove how it affected obi votes and number of votes. Irev results are secondary therefore it can't be 100% like the hardcopy.while snapping with the bvas,the camera might be blurry,the bvas might malfunction,there might be printer error during printing and even scanning,some results are snapped in poor lighting,bad posture can also affect it.the supreme court explained this during oyetola vs adeleke case.obi needed to compare these blurry results with the original copies 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by DenreleDave(m): 3:01pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
od, how did he prove it? always thinking like zmbi Revolution2022: 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by seunmsg(m): 3:12pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: And at which stage of the collation was the comparison done? Collation after results have been announced at the polling units are done at four stages. Comparison with IREV/BVAS is only done when there are discrepancies between the results announced at the polling units and results presented by INEC officials for collation. Basically, the results to be collated must be the same with the results given to party agents at the polling units. If they are different, the collation officer can compare with what is on IREV/BVAS. So, if IREV is not available, BVAS that is the source of data uploaded to IREV will be used to settle the discrepancies. So, it's obvious from the process that comparison with IREV/BVAS can only be done at the first stage of the collation - the ward collation centers. At the first stage of the collation, apart from some few wards in Rivers state, there was not unresolved dispute at any of the collation centers all over the country. By implication, all discrepancies were resolved and LP and PDP agents all over the country signed the results. Same happened at the LGA and state collation centers. The problem started at the national collation centers when PDP having realized that they already lost the election attempted to disrupt the process by claiming there was no upload to IREV. IREV's role for comparison can only be done at the ward collation centers and no other stage of the collation process. The same role can be performed by the BVAS that were presented at all the ward collation centers alongside the results from polling units. So, how can the result be manipulated without manipulating the copies already given to party agents? Labour Party had a situation room on election day where they collated the results based on the returns from their party agents. So, why did the party fail to present to the court, the results collated in their situation room and back it up with copies of form EC8A in their possession? Did they lose the copies of the results because INEC did not immediately upload results on IREV or what? 4 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 3:45pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Agents are usually compromised! We can't leave the electoral process in the hands of few persons. All of us should have copies of form EC8A at the same time anywhere in the world in real-time. Only unpopular candidates will disagree with IREV! seunmsg: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 3:48pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
You're trying to be technical. Have you wondered why Nigeria keeps falling progressively? It is because we do not do the right things! garfield1: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by Kyase(m): 4:41pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Revolution2022: First time voters wont stop amusing us😂😂😂 Nothing would've made him win Unfortunately for him and fortunately to us Nigerians, obi can never be president. He can't even be a minister 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by garfield1: 4:41pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis: I am trying to follow the law.let us follow the law.what was the use of obi having agents if not to defend his results 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by Kyase(m): 4:43pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
garfield1: Obi knew he lost and he brought Abacha boxes to court to entertian his supporters That man is a charlatan 3 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by WorldRichest: 4:44pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
duro4chang: He is not a liar. It is followed that are lying on him. Giringori Obituary never said he won, he only said that he wanted Tinubu to be disqualified and another election held between him and Atikulation Abubakar. He accepted that Emilokan Asiwaju Jagaban is undefeatable, but the only way to get over Jagaban Borgu is to disqualify him. That's the same thing that Atikulation Abubakar is fighting for in US Court. The two losers just want Emilokan Tinubu to be disqualified. Unfortunately for Atikulation Abubakar, if the Court in US rule against Emilokan Tinubu, the case will go up to the US or Chicago State Supreme Court. That will not be decided before Nigeria's Supreme Court gives its judgement. So, it's just an exercise in futility 2 Likes |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by yarimo(m): 5:03pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
duro4chang:thank you , that is the question in the first place . Is like telling KWANKWASO to prove he has won the election |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by chinchum(m): 5:18pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis:There was no significant difference in the votes cast for LP in Senate /HOR , it is usually the same bandwagon pattern. In fact LP presidntial election votes were slightly more than the LP votes for Senate / HOR. If you will be truthful to your self, LP lost. The only state that was identified with significant manipulation against LP was in Rivers state, but it would not have changed the winner of the election. What percentage of uploaded result was blurred? obviously less than 5%. There was close to 180,000 polling booth, There were way less than 10,000 blurred result. In fact, LP youth wing at some point was collating the result but stopped at the almost the tail end when it realised it was going to be a loss for LP. It is common sense that LP should have at least provide agents version of polling booth results in their stronghold, but they fail to do that for obvious reason and was chasing disqualification of APC candidate. LP was useless as P in physcology in at least 10 Northern states. It had some wave in Kaduna due to high Christian population in Southern Kaduna., it did good in Taraba as well, great in Plateau for similar reason. In Northern states with high christian population , it made an impact, but we all know that the muslim population in most Northern states are still significant, and not all Nothern christians would have voted LP as well. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 5:18pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Agents are humans, they can be intimidated or compromised. We should go the way of technology like other serious countries garfield1: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by ValarDoharis: 5:22pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
LP did not lose! INEC shutdown IREV which enabled manual overnight collation and thats where the structures of criminality historically do their rigging chinchum: |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by chinchum(m): 5:39pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
ValarDoharis:You can keep deceiving yourself, no evidence. There will be rigging and LP will win Lagos presidential election? There will be rigging and APC will not at least achieve 25% in FCT? you must be kidding. You have to take out your emotions to analyse the 2023 presidential election accurately. It was the best we ever had in recent years. Rivers, Delta , Akwa Ibom, Katsina, Borno, Jigawa e.t.c were some of the states notorious for providing bogus numbers in past years, some one accurately mentioned above the loop hole in the past, : "INCIDENT FORMS" in 2015 & 2019. 2011 was high level inflation of results. BVAS was a game changer in 2023 election, much stronger than the widely celebrated 2015 card reader. IREV shutdown was more of a transparency issue, but do not forget that there were no IREV in the past election, and they were declared free, fair and transparent. INEC alleged there were scores of attack on its server. 1 Like |
Re: Why Did Obi Fail To Prove How He Won? by truthhurtsnaira: 6:58pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
duro4chang: Like you the “Nigerian”. What more of a lie is that word…. Meaning nothing |
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