Because you can't give what you don't have. Obi came 3rd so he can't proof to have come 2nd let alone 1st.

Because Peter Obi lost and he knows it

Revolution2022:
Presidential election results was announced by 1am.Inec uploaded blurry results.If it is not mandatory to transmit results into the irev,why did INEC chairman made provision for the portal?
He should have continued with the manual method where rigging is norm.
What is INEC hiding.

Tell obi to prove them

ValarDoharis:
You're very biased! Incident forms accounted for 10 million votes of which Bubu got 7million votes. Without incident forms, Bubu wouldn't have won in 2015!

Not true.nigerians voted for buhari against gej.or are you telling me that the north voted gej

seunmsg:


You are right about the incident forms and i alluded to it in my comment. So, i don't get why you concluded that i am biased. In 2015, Northern APC played a fast one on PDP. Card users were used in the generally in the south. The North used incident forms widely and that accounted for the huge figure returned in states like Kano, Kaduna, Katsina, Bornu etc. INEC saw the problem with the card readers and incident forms and then introduced BVAS in 2023. Go and compare the 2015, 2019 and 2023 results of Kano, Kaduna, Katsina and Bornu states and you will be shocked at the huge drop in the number of voters.

No,the south esp se and SS later switched to incident forms from 3pm but the north already had a headstart

ValarDoharis:
Party agents are easily intimidated, bribed and threatened. A small party cannot succeed if it relies on party agents. Only a transparent electoral process can make a small party win a presidential election

So obi lost then

garfield1:


No,the south esp se and SS later switched to incident forms from 3pm but the north already had a headstart

It was to late.

ValarDoharis:
You know the truth but pretending.

You really believe that INEC glitch nonsense?

Oga,when a national agency wants to do online recruitment,do they not suffer glitches,server failures in the first few days despite having larger servers than inec

You lack comprehension. Obi's win was lost in the opaque process. Things were changed because the medium to see the changes that would have prevented it was shutdown intentionally and they called it a glitch which till today, they've not explained what caused it

garfield1:


So obi lost then

seunmsg:


It was to late.

Yes.i think they started switching after gej couldn't vote at otuoke.i suspect that apc planned for the eventualities while pdp didn't that is why they couldn't meet up.pdp thought that they would be no manual accreditation at all so didn't plan to inflate

obidiotts come and show us where your flat headed boss proof he won the election. bunch of losers

How come the NASS elections that uses same BVAS, servers, network and done same time had not glitch?

How come NASS uploads were not blurred?

garfield1:


Oga,when a national agency wants to do online recruitment,do they not suffer glitches,server failures in the first few days despite having larger servers than inec

ValarDoharis:
INEC shutdown IREV, forcing manual overnight collation where massive rigging takes place historically. You know the truth but pretending. You think you're doing Obi!

I am not sure you know IREV report is a photocopy of the result sheets manually prepared at voting centres. Collation started at ward levels. IREV was never meant for collation of results. Sorry you have been deceived.

ValarDoharis:
You lack comprehension. Obi's win was lost in the opaque process. Things were changed because the medium to see the changes that would have prevented it was shutdown intentionally and they called it a glitch which till today, they've not explained what caused it

Obi's win couldn't have been lost.they were layers of evidence and documents that could have show obi won.if there was rigging,it was done either during the result upload or at the collation centre which means obi agents had the original result.for instance once results are announced and lp wins a polling unit,it is entered into form ec8a and then each copy is given to party agents present and police.if they want to rig,they will simply tear out that first copy and rewrite a fresh one and upload like it happened in rivers showing apc won.or they can simply change it at the collation centres but that original first copy entered is still with lp agents and police.so why can't they tender it? Concerning glitch,traffic to inec server was too much so it had to shutdown

ValarDoharis:
How come the NASS elections that uses same BVAS, servers, network and done same time had not glitch?

How come NASS uploads were not blurred?

Inec has been having rerun election for nass and guber elections before the general elections,the system was used to that process.they thought that the system will automatically sort itself into a presidential section but it didn't.

Read to understand! According to INEC guidelines, during collation, there should be comparison with IREV.

Apart from that, the most important thing is that its difficult to change results that everybody is seeing in real-time! This is the innovation REAL-TIME! That's how blockchain technology works, everybody in the network having a copy so that changes can only be done if everybody's copies are changed.
So if you cannot change a result everybody has seen and downloaded, how can you rig? Thats why they shutdown IREV, to put everybody in the dark while they change results overnight at collation centres

sunray:


I am not sure you know IREV report is a photocopy of the result sheets manually prepared at voting centres. Collation started at ward levels. IREV was never meant for collation of results. Sorry you have been deceived.

They did mock exercises for the presidential election. If they were sincere, why are they saying IREV is not mandatory and that they can use any process they like.

Tells you they did it intentionally! Even if i agree with you that they genuinely had a glitch, it doesn't explain over 10 thousand blurred results only for presidential election!

garfield1:


Inec has been having rerun election for nass and guber elections before the general elections,the system was used to that process.they thought that the system will automatically sort itself into a presidential section but it didn't.

ValarDoharis:
They did mock exercises for the presidential election. If they were sincere, why are they saying IREV is not mandatory and that they can use any process they like.

Tells you they did it intentionally! Even if i agree with you that they genuinely had a glitch, it doesn't explain over 10 thousand blurred results only for presidential election!

Mock exercises does not mean failure won't be recorded during the main process.mock exam doesn't mean people won't fail waec,it only reduced incidence of failure.yoi cannot assume they did it intentionally,you must prove it totally and also prove how it affected obi votes and number of votes.
Irev results are secondary therefore it can't be 100% like the hardcopy.while snapping with the bvas,the camera might be blurry,the bvas might malfunction,there might be printer error during printing and even scanning,some results are snapped in poor lighting,bad posture can also affect it.the supreme court explained this during oyetola vs adeleke case.obi needed to compare these blurry results with the original copies

od, how did he prove it?

always thinking like zmbi

Revolution2022:
He proved it but tinubu's tribunal judges were blinded by sentiment.
Have you forgotten that INEC chairman refused to grant Peter Obi 's lawyers request to inspect certain results sheet?

ValarDoharis:
Read to understand! According to INEC guidelines, during collation, there should be comparison with IREV.

Apart from that, the most important thing is that its difficult to change results that everybody is seeing in real-time! This is the innovation REAL-TIME! That's how blockchain technology works, everybody in the network having a copy so that changes can only be done if everybody's copies are changed.
So if you cannot change a result everybody has seen and downloaded, how can you rig? Thats why they shutdown IREV, to put everybody in the dark while they change results overnight at collation centres

And at which stage of the collation was the comparison done?

Collation after results have been announced at the polling units are done at four stages. Comparison with IREV/BVAS is only done when there are discrepancies between the results announced at the polling units and results presented by INEC officials for collation. Basically, the results to be collated must be the same with the results given to party agents at the polling units. If they are different, the collation officer can compare with what is on IREV/BVAS. So, if IREV is not available, BVAS that is the source of data uploaded to IREV will be used to settle the discrepancies.

So, it's obvious from the process that comparison with IREV/BVAS can only be done at the first stage of the collation - the ward collation centers. At the first stage of the collation, apart from some few wards in Rivers state, there was not unresolved dispute at any of the collation centers all over the country. By implication, all discrepancies were resolved and LP and PDP agents all over the country signed the results. Same happened at the LGA and state collation centers.
The problem started at the national collation centers when PDP having realized that they already lost the election attempted to disrupt the process by claiming there was no upload to IREV.

IREV's role for comparison can only be done at the ward collation centers and no other stage of the collation process. The same role can be performed by the BVAS that were presented at all the ward collation centers alongside the results from polling units.

So, how can the result be manipulated without manipulating the copies already given to party agents? Labour Party had a situation room on election day where they collated the results based on the returns from their party agents. So, why did the party fail to present to the court, the results collated in their situation room and back it up with copies of form EC8A in their possession? Did they lose the copies of the results because INEC did not immediately upload results on IREV or what?

Agents are usually compromised! We can't leave the electoral process in the hands of few persons. All of us should have copies of
form EC8A at the same time anywhere in the world in real-time.

Only unpopular candidates will disagree with IREV!

seunmsg:


And at which stage of the collation was the comparison done?

Collation after results have been announced at the polling units are done at four stages. Comparison with IREV/BVAS is only done when there are discrepancies between the results announced at the polling units and results presented by INEC officials for collation. Basically, the results to be collated must be the same with the results given to party agents at the polling units. If they are different, the collation officer can compare with what is on IREV/BVAS. So, if IREV is not available, BVAS that is the source of data uploaded to IREV will be used to settle the discrepancies.

So, it's obvious from the process that comparison with IREV/BVAS can only be done at the first stage of the collation - the ward collation centers. At the first stage of the collation, apart from some few wards in Rivers state, there was not unresolved dispute at any of the collation centers all over the country. By implication, all discrepancies were resolved and LP and PDP agents all over the country signed the results. Same happened at the LGA and state collation centers.
The problem started at the national collation centers when PDP having realized that they already lost the election attempted to disrupt the process by claiming there was no upload to IREV.

IREV's role for comparison can only be done at the ward collation centers and no other stage of the collation process. The same role can be performed by the BVAS that were presented at all the ward collation centers alongside the results from polling units.

So, how can the result be manipulated without manipulating the copies already given to party agents? Labour Party had a situation room on election day where they collated the results based on the returns from their party agents. So, why did the party fail to present to the court, the results collated in their situation room and back it up with copies of form EC8A in their possession? Did they lose the copies of the results because INEC did not immediately upload results on IREV or what?

You're trying to be technical.

Have you wondered why Nigeria keeps falling progressively? It is because we do not do the right things!

garfield1:


Mock exercises does not mean failure won't be recorded during the main process.mock exam doesn't mean people won't fail waec,it only reduced incidence of failure.yoi cannot assume they did it intentionally,you must prove it totally and also prove how it affected obi votes and number of votes.
Irev results are secondary therefore it can't be 100% like the hardcopy.while snapping with the bvas,the camera might be blurry,the bvas might malfunction,there might be printer error during printing and even scanning,some results are snapped in poor lighting,bad posture can also affect it.the supreme court explained this during oyetola vs adeleke case.obi needed to compare these blurry results with the original copies

Revolution2022:
Presidential election results was announced by 1am.Inec uploaded blurry results.If it is not mandatory to transmit results into the irev,why did INEC chairman made provision for the portal?
He should have continued with the manual method where rigging is norm.
What is INEC hiding.

First time voters wont stop amusing us😂😂😂
Nothing would've made him win
Unfortunately for him and fortunately to us Nigerians, obi can never be president.
He can't even be a minister

ValarDoharis:
You're trying to be technical.

Have you wondered why Nigeria keeps falling progressively? It is because we do not do the right things!

I am trying to follow the law.let us follow the law.what was the use of obi having agents if not to defend his results

garfield1:
I expected to obi to prove on a national scale that he won,present sets of results showing that he won but all results presented by prof Eric ofoedu showed that tinubu won.
Atiku brought results collated by Samuel oduntan showing that he won in a totality of 28 states.
Obi was never going to win without winning the north central or at least getting reasonable votes in the core north. in 2003,obj won kaduna and got 35% in ne/nw.in 2011,gej won NC and got 28% in ne/nw.
Perhaps if obi won massively in ss,got 25% in SW and win north central or alternatively he could have gotten 20 % in ne/ nw yet he got a shameful and ridiculous 8%.a massive win in ss,better margins in SW and NC would have offsetted this.
Obi pathway to victory was to replicate gej 2015 results in se SS by polling at least 5 mil in se /SS. I expected anambra to give him a million and imo close to a million with the remaining states giving 500k each.he should have won the SS by at least 2 million margin and polled at least 1.5 mil in SW and NC.thats 8 mil.he could have struggled for an extra million from ne nw to overtake tinubu...I expected him to at least defeat atiku and place second yet he failed

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Obi knew he lost and he brought Abacha boxes to court to entertian his supporters

That man is a charlatan

duro4chang:
Did he even win? Obi is a pathological liar

He is not a liar. It is followed that are lying on him. Giringori Obituary never said he won, he only said that he wanted Tinubu to be disqualified and another election held between him and Atikulation Abubakar. He accepted that Emilokan Asiwaju Jagaban is undefeatable, but the only way to get over Jagaban Borgu is to disqualify him. That's the same thing that Atikulation Abubakar is fighting for in US Court. The two losers just want Emilokan Tinubu to be disqualified.

Unfortunately for Atikulation Abubakar, if the Court in US rule against Emilokan Tinubu, the case will go up to the US or Chicago State Supreme Court. That will not be decided before Nigeria's Supreme Court gives its judgement. So, it's just an exercise in futility

duro4chang:
Did he even win? Obi is a pathological liar

thank you , that is the question in the first place . Is like telling KWANKWASO to prove he has won the election

ValarDoharis:
How come the NASS elections that uses same BVAS, servers, network and done same time had not glitch?

How come NASS uploads were not blurred?

There was no significant difference in the votes cast for LP in Senate /HOR , it is usually the same bandwagon pattern. In fact LP presidntial election votes were slightly more than the LP votes for Senate / HOR. If you will be truthful to your self, LP lost. The only state that was identified with significant manipulation against LP was in Rivers state, but it would not have changed the winner of the election.

What percentage of uploaded result was blurred? obviously less than 5%. There was close to 180,000 polling booth, There were way less than 10,000 blurred result. In fact, LP youth wing at some point was collating the result but stopped at the almost the tail end when it realised it was going to be a loss for LP.

It is common sense that LP should have at least provide agents version of polling booth results in their stronghold, but they fail to do that for obvious reason and was chasing disqualification of APC candidate. LP was useless as P in physcology in at least 10 Northern states. It had some wave in Kaduna due to high Christian population in Southern Kaduna., it did good in Taraba as well, great in Plateau for similar reason. In Northern states with high christian population , it made an impact, but we all know that the muslim population in most Northern states are still significant, and not all Nothern christians would have voted LP as well.

Agents are humans, they can be intimidated or compromised. We should go the way of technology like other serious countries

garfield1:


I am trying to follow the law.let us follow the law.what was the use of obi having agents if not to defend his results

LP did not lose! INEC shutdown IREV which enabled manual overnight collation and thats where the structures of criminality historically do their rigging

chinchum:
There was no significant difference in the votes cast for LP in Senate /HOR , it is usually the same bandwagon pattern. In fact LP presidntial election votes were slightly more than the LP votes for Senate / HOR. If you will be truthful to your self, LP lost. The only state that was identified with significant manipulation against LP was in Rivers state, but it would not have changed the winner of the election.

What percentage of uploaded result was blurred? obviously less than 5%. There was close to 180,000 polling booth, There were way less than 10,000 blurred result. In fact, LP youth wing at some point was collating the result but stopped at the almost the tail end when it realised it was going to be a loss for LP.

It is common sense that LP should have at least provide agents version of polling booth results in their stronghold, but they fail to do that for obvious reason and was chasing disqualification of APC candidate. LP was useless as P in physcology in at least 10 Northern states. It had some wave in Kaduna due to high Christian population in Southern Kaduna., it did good in Taraba as well, great in Plateau for similar reason. In Northern states with high christian population , it made an impact, but we all know that the muslim population in most Northern states are still significant, and not all Nothern christians would have voted LP as well.

ValarDoharis:
LP did not lose! INEC shutdown IREV which enabled manual overnight collation and thats where the structures of criminality historically do their rigging

You can keep deceiving yourself, no evidence.

There will be rigging and LP will win Lagos presidential election? There will be rigging and APC will not at least achieve 25% in FCT? you must be kidding.

You have to take out your emotions to analyse the 2023 presidential election accurately. It was the best we ever had in recent years.

Rivers, Delta , Akwa Ibom, Katsina, Borno, Jigawa e.t.c were some of the states notorious for providing bogus numbers in past years, some one accurately mentioned above the loop hole in the past, : "INCIDENT FORMS" in 2015 & 2019. 2011 was high level inflation of results.

BVAS was a game changer in 2023 election, much stronger than the widely celebrated 2015 card reader.

IREV shutdown was more of a transparency issue, but do not forget that there were no IREV in the past election, and they were declared free, fair and transparent. INEC alleged there were scores of attack on its server.

duro4chang:
Did he even win? Obi is a pathological liar

Like you the “Nigerian”.


What more of a lie is that word…. Meaning nothing