gidgiddy:


Oh really? So why didnt those who came after Ironsi not remive the decree and take us to the next level? Today you have 36 states, poverty capital and 8th most insecure country on earth, none of which was existed under Ironsi


If you could not do better than Ironsi, no point criticising Ironsi

Gidgiddy, you are better than this. ChiefJusticeFuc's posts should enlighten you.


Ironsi concentrated too much power in the FG for selfish, South East agenda. The North saw through this, violently removed Ironsi and inherited his super FG powers as spoils of war!

How dare you suggest they give such power back? It's theirs to wield as they like for their own benefits, just as Ironsi wanted to do. There's no way you can extricate Ironsi from this mess.

ChiefJusticeFuc:


Talking trash as usual

I know you...

Volksfuhrer:


Gidgiddy, you are better than this. ChiefJusticeFuc's posts should enlighten you.


Ironsi concentrated too much power in the FG for selfish, South East agenda. The North saw through this, violently removed Ironsi and inherited his super FG powers as spoils of war!

How dare you suggest they give such power back? It's theirs to wield as they like for their own benefits, just as Ironsi wanted to do. There's no way you can extricate Ironsi from this mess.

Then that means nobody was better than Ironsi. If you come to power, and you could not do better than who you replaced, and end up doing worse, you lose the moral right to criticise the one that did better than you.

As for Ironsi concentrating too much power at the centre, how is that possible when we had 4 Regions that were controlling their resources

Today we have 36 states with no resource control.

ChiefJusticeFuc:

I will be taking Ironsi's decree 34 apart and explaining it in detail to you Gidgiddy and later post Gowon's decree 8 that sought to abrogate all of Ironsi's useless decrees.



You can see from section 2 , that Ironsi reduced each region to a province under the control of the military dictatorship.

You can try to decieve gullible people with this but it woll not change the fact that we had 4 Regions under Ironsi and all 4 controlled their resources

Today we have 36 states with no resource control

All of you Nigerians that came after Ironsi only ended up doing far worse and brought Nigeria to where it is today

ChiefJusticeFuc:


Decree 8 was passed by Gowon to undo the nonesense of Decree 34.

Then war broke out because Ojukwu insisted on dragging the newly created states of old Rivers and old Cross River into his Biafra.


Stop lying .

You mean the same Gowon that abolished the 4 Regions Nigeria had and created 12 states with Decree 14?

You mean the same Gowon that removed resource control with Decree 15?


You guys are laughable

ChiefJusticeFuc:


Stop this your useless lies.

It was you Ibos that destroyed the regional governments for a unitary system.

Why do you like to spew this lie day in day out ?

And in 57 years, none of you Nigerians could restore us back to Regions, but actually took us to 36 states? You guys destroyed Nigeria, made it world poverty capital and 8th most insecure country on earth

gidgiddy:


Then that means nobody was better than Ironsi. If you come to power, and you could not do better than who you replaced, and end up doing worse, you lose the moral right to criticise the one that did better than you.

As for Ironsi concentrating too much power at the centre, how is that possible when we had 4 Regions that were controlling their resources

Today we have 36 states with no resource control.

Ironsi's decree 34 reduced all the regions to provinces and collapsed all their respective civil services into one consolidated national civil service that was to be regulated by a national civil service commission thereby denying regions the powers of self rule.

If all the ministries of finance and revenue generating offices ended up under central control of the federal military government how then can the regions be seen as being autonomous ?

Stop trying to be smart by half.

Decree 8 was rolled out by Gowon explicitly to abrogate decree 34 and to return Nigeria back to its original template but with more emphasis on autonomy.


War broke out and the entire nation was under military martial law .

After the war, Gowon continued with the war policy for financial reasons so as to both help rehabilitate and rebuild the SE and to pay off war debt.

Gowon was under intense pressure not to impliment decree 8 owing to oil becoming mainstay and the slightest opportunity the north got, they overthrew him.

States are no lesser than regions.

The system we are practicing is the executive style of government like in the US and you should know that states in the US are more independent than even regions in the UK or independent member states of the EU.


The issue here is that the north decided to continue Ironsi's template after the war because they saw more opportunity in it from looting the oil resources of the SS.

Do I blame the north ?

No.

And you shouldn't because they learnt from Ironsi's Zikist drawn decree 34.

So please rest this matter.

You are only fooling yourself by trying to pin this unitary system on Gowon.

Even Alexbells admits that it was Ironsi that rolled out this unitary system and he boasts openly about it here.


Stop accusing others of what you are guilty of.

gidgiddy:


And in 57 years, none of you Nigerians could restore us back to Regions, but actually took us to 36 states? You guys destroyed Nigeria, made it world poverty capital and 8th most insecure country on earth

Because both you guys in the SE and your partners in the north have been opposing any talk of returning to true federalism.

Name just one Ibo politician that has advocated for return to true federalism .

Protip: you can't because there has been not one single one.

Maybe if you guys joined the south in this clamour you will have the moral right to critisize the system but alas you haven't and will never ever do so.

gidgiddy:


You mean the same Gowon that abolished the 4 Regions Nigeria had and created 12 states with Decree 14?

You mean the same Gowon that removed resource control with Decree 15?


You guys are laughable

States are no lesser than regions.

This is why even under the current centralised system, there are clamours from some select States to have the federal government hands off their affairs.

Are states in the US not more autonomous than regions in the UK?

ChiefJusticeFuc:



Ironsi's decree 34 reduced all the regions to provinces and collapsed all their respective civil services into one consolidated national civil service that was to be regulated by a national civil service commission thereby denying regions the powers of self rule.

If all the ministries of finance and revenue generating offices ended up under central control of the federal military government how then can the regions be seen as being autonomous ?

Stop trying to be smart by half.

Decree 8 was rolled out by Gowon explicitly to abrogate decree 34 and to return Nigeria back to its original template but with more emphasis on autonomy.


War broke out and the entire nation was under military martial law .

After the war, Gowon continued with the war policy for financial reasons so as to both help rehabilitate and rebuild the SE and to pay off war debt.

Gowon was under intense pressure not to impliment decree 8 owing to oil becoming mainstay and the slightest opportunity the north got, they overthrew him.

States are no lesser than regions.

The system we are practicing is the executive style of government like in the US and you should know that states in the US are more independent than even regions in the UK or independent member states of the EU.


The issue here is that the north decided to continue Ironsi's template after the war because they saw more opportunity in it from looting the oil resources of the SS.

Do I blame the north ?

No.

And you shouldn't because they learnt from Ironsi's Zikist drawn decree 34.

So please rest this matter.

You are only fooling yourself by trying to pin this unitary system on Gowon.

Even Alexbells admits that it was Ironsi that rolled out this unitary system and he boasts openly about it here.


Stop accusing others of what you are guilty of.

You guys are really laughable, trying to defend the indefensible, coming up with every reason under the sun to defend Gowons actions

You cry about decree 34 that was a civil service matter, and give excuse for Gowon that abolished the Regions Nigeria had, created 12 states with decree 14, and even defend him for removing resource control, which is the bedrock of true federalism , with decree 15

You guys see the truth but keep lying because Nigeria is built on lies

You people could not do better that Ironsi. For 56 years, you people kept subdividing Nigeria into 36 states to make it as unitary as possible, and keep the fraud going on. You people knew that 4 Regions controlling their resources in Ironsi times was a big threat to the federal government

Congratulations, you spent 57 years making Nigeria world poverty capital and one of the most insecure countries on earth. Clap for your selves

Gidgiddy , are you seriously stating that states are lesser in autonomy than Ironsi's provinces ?

Do you know what a Province is ?

Ironsi's decree 34 reduced all the regions to local governments .

Go and read decree 34 again and see how Ironsi turned all regions to provisional zones .

Even the military governors where just governors by name as they had no power under decree 34 to administer their provinces without direct permission from the HoS.


Is this not worse than what we are practicing today?

The fallout of the unitary system was that it took resource control from the states and appropriated responsibilities hitherto meant for regions/states to the federal military government under what is now described as "exclusive list".

Pls stop lying abeg.

You have been overflogging this issue because you know it is a sour point for someone like you defending and promoting Biafraism.

ChiefJusticeFuc:



States are no lesser than regions.

This is why even under the current centralised system, there are clamours from some select States to have the federal government hands off their affairs.

Are states in the US not more autonomous than regions in the UK?

States with no resource control are no less than Regions with resource control? So you dont know that it is when you control your resources that you become federal? When the federal government controls your resources, you become a mere "unit" or unitary. Thats how you people were clapping for gowon as he took Regions and resource control away but make noise about decree 34 that was a civil service matter. Well its good that the world can see how you people took Nigeria the opposite way of what was negotiated at independence and made it the disaster it is today after 57 years

gidgiddy:



You guys are really laughable, trying to defend the indefensible, coming up with every reason under the sun to defend Gowons actions

You cry about decree 34 that was a civil service matter, and give excuse for Gowon that abolished the Regions Nigeria had, created 12 states with decree 14, and even defend him for removing resource control, which is the bedrock of true federalism , with decree 15

You guys see the truth but keep lying because Nigeria is built on lies

You people could not do better that Ironsi. For 56 years, you people kept subdividing Nigeria into 36 states to make it as unitary as possible, and keep the fraud going on. You people knew that 4 Regions controlling their resources in Ironsi times was a big threat to the federal government

Congratulations, you spent 57 years making Nigeria world poverty capital and one of the most insecure countries on earth. Clap for your selves

Decree 34 was not just a mere civil service matter but a centrist decree that took the right of self governance from the regions and reduced them all to a collection of provinces.

You seem to think States are lesser than regions .

This is why I am referring you to the US system which Gowon adopted for you to see if states over there have limited powers compared to mere provinces.

You say it's a mere civil service matter. Ok. How can the regions be effectively run when their means of adminstration has been outsourced to a National Civil service that is regulated by a National Civil Service Commission which in turn is firmly in the hand of the federal military government ?


Are you ok?

ChiefJusticeFuc:
Gidgiddy , are you seriously stating that states are lesser in autonomy than Ironsi's provinces ?

Do you know what a Province is ?

Ironsi's decree 34 reduced all the regions to local governments .

Go and read decree 34 again and see how Ironsi turned all regions to provisional zones .

Even the military governors where just governors by name as they had no power under decree 34 to administer their provinces without direct permission from the HoS.


Is this not worse than what we are practicing today?

The fallout of the unitary system was that it took resource control from the states and appropriated responsibilities hitherto meant for regions/states to the federal military government under what is now described as "exclusive list".

Pls stop lying abeg.

You have been overflogging this issue because you know it is a sour point for someone like you defending and promoting Biafraism.

Well you people can keep lying to your selves as much as possible but it wont change the fact that Ironsi had 4 military Governors administer 4 areas that made up Nigeria. Wether you choose to call those 4 areas Regions or Provinces is your own choice of words

What matters is that those 4 areas controlled their resources throughout Ironsi time and thus, were federal in nature

Those 4 areas were abolished by Gowon, replaced by 12 states with decree 14, and their right to control their resources taken away with decree 15


Of course you can never talk about decree 14 and 15 because it would expose not only the lie you have been telling here, but also show it was you Nigerians that destroyed Nigeria for the last 57 years

gidgiddy:



You guys are really laughable, trying to defend the indefensible, coming up with every reason under the sun to defend Gowons actions

You cry about decree 34 that was a civil service matter, and give excuse for Gowon that abolished the Regions Nigeria had, created 12 states with decree 14, and even defend him for removing resource control, which is the bedrock of true federalism , with decree 15

You guys see the truth but keep lying because Nigeria is built on lies

You people could not do better that Ironsi. For 56 years, you people kept subdividing Nigeria into 36 states to make it as unitary as possible, and keep the fraud going on. You people knew that 4 Regions controlling their resources in Ironsi times was a big threat to the federal government

Congratulations, you spent 57 years making Nigeria world poverty capital and one of the most insecure countries on earth. Clap for your selves

What that fool doesn’t understand is that a Republican State like AlaIgbo has several school of thoughts, I wonder why he use my submission as a yardstick for judging a devolutionist, ChiefJusticeFuc Gidgiddy is a devolutionist I’m a unionist, what we have in common is AlaIgbo and AlaIgbo nationalism.

Yes I’m happy that the regions and the parliamentary government was dissolved, the regions was becoming too powerful and threatening the corporate existence of Nigeria. The wild Wild West came because the west felt too powerful. The Igbo massacre came because the North felt it was their job, it was their North, the Biafran war happened because the East felt we can face the whole country.

The injustice that brought all these menace while not being entirely overlooked by me, I can attest that the parliamentary/regional government had to go, aside the war, I see the creation of state as fraudulent as it was, it was a step in the right direction.

AlexBells:

What that fool doesn’t understand is that a Republican State like AlaIgbo has several school of thoughts, I wonder why he use my submission as a yardstick for judging a devolutionist, ChiefJusticeFuc Gidgiddy is a devolutionist I’m a unionist, what we have in common is AlaIgbo and AlaIgbo nationalism.

Yes I’m happy that the regions and the parliamentary government was dissolved, the regions was becoming too powerful and threatening the corporate existence of Nigeria. The wild Wild West came because the west felt too powerful. The Igbo massacre came because the North felt it was their job, it was their North, the Biafran war happened because the East felt we can face the whole country.

The injustice that brought all these menace while not being entirely overlooked by me, I can attest that the parliamentary/regional government had to go, aside the war, I see the creation of state as fraudulent as it was, it was a step in the right direction.

People like you are the reason Nigeria is the way it is. The coporate existence of Nigeria means nothing if Nigeria is not run the way it should be run. The Regions only threaten the corporate existence of Nigeria when the federal government steps out of line. You cannot afford to have an all powerful federal government in a country like Nigeria and expect oeace. You will be together but there will be no peace, and where there is no peace, there is no progress. What then is the point of your corporate existence?

We had 4 Regions that were controlling their own resources, controlling their own money, and that made them independent of government, progressing at their own pace, controlling their internal security

Then Gowon comes along abolishes those 4 Regions, takes away resource control and create 12 states. Those who came after Gowon trippled those 12 states to 36 states

Today, where is Nigeria?

gidgiddy:



People like you are the reason Nigeria is the way it is. The coporate existence of Nigeria means nothing if Nigeria is not run the way it should be run. The Regions only threaten the corporate existence of Nigeria when the federal government steps out of line. You cannot afford to have an all powerful federal government in a country like Nigeria and expect oeace. You will be together but there will be no peace, and where there is no peace, there is no progress. What then is the point of your corporate existence?

We had 4 Regions that were controlling their own resources, controlling their own money, and that made them independent of government, progressing at their own pace, controlling their internal security

Then Gowon comes along abolishes those 4 Regions, takes away resource control and create 12 states. Those who came after Gowon trippled those 12 states to 36 states

Today, where is Nigeria?

Regions have become an obsolete form of government, you may not agree but the problem is not the government but those who run it.

The states have only relied on 13% mineral derivation, what happens to service, standards health system, entertainment there are items on state lists, what happens to developing those and walking away with over 70%.

I won't blame you either becuase you come from a highly demoralised generation that would rather run than advance.

All over the world, every country sort for a stronger center, from USA, to Russia, to China, every Serious country have strong center, I'm going to show how it is done but even if I succeed, I don't currently have solution for the whole Nigeria but I hope Nigeria becomes a unitary confederation like the UK, I have solution for AlaIgbo which I wish to implement under Igbo province others nationalities should figure out themselves.

The centre remains strong and anyone not okay with that should propose solutions which doesn't include the silly regional/parliament government. AlaIgbo is not East, AlaIgbo is not south east, AlaIgbo is AlaIgbo and any arrangements not recognising that nomenclature is sham. In case Nigeria fails which I don't wish for AlaIgbo Republic is more workable but everyone play their role, you can't negotiate in Nigeria I can so play your part let me play mine.

AlexBells:

Regions have become an obsolete form of government, you may not agree but the problem is not the government but those who run it.

The states have only relied on 13% mineral derivation, what happens to service, standards health system, entertainment there are items on state lists, what happens to developing those and walking away with over 70%.

I won't blame you either becuase you come from a highly demoralised generation that would rather run than advance.

All over the world, every country sort for a stronger center, from USA, to Russia, to China, every Serious country have strong center, I'm going to show how it is done but even if I succeed, I don't currently have solution for the whole Nigeria but I hope Nigeria becomes a unitary confederation like the UK, I have solution for AlaIgbo which I wish to implement under Igbo province others nationalities should figure out themselves.

The centre remains strong and anyone not okay with that should propose solutions which doesn't include the silly regional/parliament government. AlaIgbo is not East, AlaIgbo is not south east, AlaIgbo is AlaIgbo and any arrangements not recognising that nomenclature is sham. In case Nigeria fails which I don't wish for AlaIgbo Republic is more workable but everyone play their role, you can't negotiate in Nigeria I can so play your part let me play mine.

Well you have been practising strong federal government for 57 years and ended up world poverty capital, 8th most insecure country on earth , and an all round failure of a country

If that doesn't tell you that you are on the wrong track, nothing will

ChiefJusticeFuc:


The coup of Jan 15 was to prevent the federal house in Lagos from deliberating and granting a Plebescite for the creation of COR region out of the old eastern region.

The coup timing was done to prevent the house from reconvening after a long Christmas break.

The first thing on the docket was a motion to force for a Plebescite for the minority people trapped in the old eastern region whose request for one at Enugu had fell on deaf ears in the Ibo dominated house.

The coup was meant to halt the representatives of other three regions plus that of the minority people from reaching a final decision to pass a vote for a Plebescite.

The ibos then did the most unimaginable thing and staged an ethnic cleansing coup and purge of both our politica and military heirachy.

Decree 34 was already written weeks before the coup and even has reference to Jan 16 (a day after the coup ) as it's effective date . The decree was delayed out of fear of exposing the real motive behind the coup and those who benefited from it and so that's why it was passed four months later o 24th of May.

You can see all the hallmarks of Zik in that decree with its inviolability reference to it being a Unification Decree.

Thanks

gidgiddy:


Well you have been practising strong federal government for 57 years and ended up world poverty capital, 8th most insecure country on earth , and an all round failure of a country

If that doesn't tell you that you are on the wrong track, nothing will

Factually that's a call to act not a falt of the system. Nigeria is working as a country what is not working is the Nations, look at Scotland isn't it working, Look at Wales, isn't it working. Is Britain really working. Your expectations are too lofty and high let's build AlaIgbo within Nigeria just like the Scottish are building Scotland inside UK.


States needs to be weak, let the Nations pick up themselves or stay down for all I care, the Federal Republic is only passing through a phase and everyone should try their hands, maybe after thousands of terrorism and five major more wars, if we survive we survive if we break up we break but know it that each time you try and fail to break up the system the more harder break up really becomes. I'm really seeing all the things happening as a test for the strong system men of my school of thought has built.

I'm Igbo and we run this country from a systematic angle, Anyone who thinks otherwise be you Igbo or not should try his hands in changing the status. The earlier we all accept reality the earlier we start sincerely looking for solutions and stop undermining the Republic. Some of us are really silent becuase we appreciate everyone testing the system we have built, no shaking.

When you build a system you trust, you test it with the biggest possible threat.

gidgiddy:



People like you are the reason Nigeria is the way it is. The coporate existence of Nigeria means nothing if Nigeria is not run the way it should be run. The Regions only threaten the corporate existence of Nigeria when the federal government steps out of line. You cannot afford to have an all powerful federal government in a country like Nigeria and expect oeace. You will be together but there will be no peace, and where there is no peace, there is no progress. What then is the point of your corporate existence?

We had 4 Regions that were controlling their own resources, controlling their own money, and that made them independent of government, progressing at their own pace, controlling their internal security

Then Gowon comes along abolishes those 4 Regions, takes away resource control and create 12 states. Those who came after Gowon trippled those 12 states to 36 states

Today, where is Nigeria?

Gidgiddy, you can see for yourself that the real enemy to not only your Biafra but to other nationalists like myself wanting to break free from this multicultural cesspit is the Zikist Marxist school of thought which the likes of Alexbells fully represent.


Your enemies are closer home to you than you imagine.

I want you to begin to review your views on the events of Jan 15, the biafran war and see it as a direct result from the Zikists in Enugu who were more committed to Marxism.

You are against our current system.

So am I.

Your only flaw is you assume it was imposed by others when it was a result of the Zikists under Ironsi's military dictatorship.

Those Zikists will later opt for plan B being Biafra as their mini one Nijeriya project .


Unfortunately for you, you falsely assume that this Nu Biafra movement is any different from the Zikist and Ojukwu's Biafraism. They are the same.

The only solution is to work with fellow nationalists in the south to restructure Nigeria back to her original template and from there have a clause for future seccesion.

AlexBells:

Regions have become an obsolete form of government, you may not agree but the problem is not the government but those who run it.

The states have only relied on 13% mineral derivation, what happens to service, standards health system, entertainment there are items on state lists, what happens to developing those and walking away with over 70%.

I won't blame you either becuase you come from a highly demoralised generation that would rather run than advance.

All over the world, every country sort for a stronger center, from USA, to Russia, to China, every Serious country have strong center, I'm going to show how it is done but even if I succeed, I don't currently have solution for the whole Nigeria but I hope Nigeria becomes a unitary confederation like the UK, I have solution for AlaIgbo which I wish to implement under Igbo province others nationalities should figure out themselves.

The centre remains strong and anyone not okay with that should propose solutions which doesn't include the silly regional/parliament government. AlaIgbo is not East, AlaIgbo is not south east, AlaIgbo is AlaIgbo and any arrangements not recognising that nomenclature is sham. In case Nigeria fails which I don't wish for AlaIgbo Republic is more workable but everyone play their role, you can't negotiate in Nigeria I can so play your part let me play mine.

Spoken like a true commie Marxist bastard.

Your parasitism reeks


The only people advocating for strong central government are despotic communist bastards who want to abuse power to appropriate wealth of others.

I however like how you use your mouth to expose the general Ibo political agenda and how this clamour for a powerful central government benefits only those who contribute little or nothing to the federal purse and can not manage their affairs financially if left to their own device.

You position is no different than the core hawkish north and their retinue of rent seekers.

It is for this I have long concluded that Enugu politics is no different from that of Sawkata.


So when I predicted that the Ibo and the Fulani will unite in future to preserve Nigeria's centrist parasitic system , I wasn't wrong at all.

ChiefJusticeFuc:


Spoken like a true commie Marxist bastard.

Your parasitism reeks


The only people advocating for strong central government are despotic communist bastards who want to abuse power to appropriate wealth of others.

I however like how you use your mouth to expose the general Ibo political agenda and how this clamour for a powerful central government benefits only those who contribute little or nothing to the federal purse and can not manage their affairs financially if left to their own device.

You position is no different than the core hawkish north and their retinue of rent seekers.

It is for this I have long concluded that Enugu politics is no different from that of Sawkata.


So when I predicted that the Ibo and the Fulani will unite in future to preserve Nigeria's centrist parasitic system , I wasn't wrong at all.

The North are not and had never been unionist, they only lack sea access and once they are able to invade and seize a seaside territory like Lagos or Cross river, they would move for secession. I'm not worried about whatever you paint, ofcourse I'm a Zikist and I love Nzeogwu's commitment especially not running away after causing the war and eventually paying the ultimate price. I regret that Saduana and others had to be killed however I agree that the Regional/Parliament government had to go.

Whatever you want, if you want out of Nigeria seek that through appropriate channel, no one wants your resources as a matter of fact we have enough in Alaaigbo, the summary is, if you are staying you stay, if you want to leave, use appropriate channel and don't disturb the peace.

There are reasons I chose to ignore some violent activities in AlaIgbo why is becuase as far as there are terrorists in the North or any other part of Nigeria, if the security apparatus of the Republic is not equal to the task, then terrorism Immunisation is paramount.

ChiefJusticeFuc:


Gidgiddy, you can see for yourself that the real enemy to not only your Biafra but to other nationalists like myself wanting to break free from this multicultural cesspit is the Zikist Marxist school of thought which the likes of Alexbells fully represent.


Your enemies are closer home to you than you imagine.

I want you to begin to review your views on the events of Jan 15, the biafran war and see it as a direct result from the Zikists in Enugu who were more committed to Marxism.

You are against our current system.

So am I.

Your only flaw is you assume it was imposed by others when it was a result of the Zikists under Ironsi's military dictatorship.

Those Zikists will later opt for plan B being Biafra as their mini one Nijeriya project .


Unfortunately for you, you falsely assume that this Nu Biafra movement is any different from the Zikist and Ojukwu's Biafraism. They are the same.

The only solution is to work with fellow nationalists in the south to restructure Nigeria back to her original template and from there have a clause for future seccesion.

Ironsi was 57 years ago, who has been running Nigeria since then? Why didnt the do better than Ironsi? Why do we have 36 states without resource control but still call our selves a federal Republic?

Nigeria is built on fraud and people like you cannot talk about Gowons decree 14 and 15, how 36 states cant to be, how we have become poverty capital of the world and 8th most insecure country on earth

Yet none of these things were present during Ironsi's time. But you people have to talk about Ironsi to deflect the fact that it was you people who have spent the last 57 years bringing Nigeria to the disastrous place it is.

Nigeria cannot be restructured, the core North do not want hear anything about restructuring and the constitution has to be changed in other to restructure, which needs two majority vote, it is mission impossible

The only choice for Nigeria is peaceful dissolution let everyone go their way and manage their land how best they know, or we stay together and fight each other forever

AlexBells:

Factually that's a call to act not a falt of the system. Nigeria is working as a country what is not working is the Nations, look at Scotland isn't it working, Look at Wales, isn't it working. Is Britain really working. Your expectations are too lofty and high let's build AlaIgbo within Nigeria just like the Scottish are building Scotland inside UK.


States needs to be weak, let the Nations pick up themselves or stay down for all I care, the Federal Republic is only passing through a phase and everyone should try their hands, maybe after thousands of terrorism and five major more wars, if we survive we survive if we break up we break but know it that each time you try and fail to break up the system the more harder break up really becomes. I'm really seeing all the things happening as a test for the strong system men of my school of thought has built.

I'm Igbo and we run this country from a systematic angle, Anyone who thinks otherwise be you Igbo or not should try his hands in changing the status. The earlier we all accept reality the earlier we start sincerely looking for solutions and stop undermining the Republic. Some of us are really silent becuase we appreciate everyone testing the system we have built, no shaking.

When you build a system you trust, you test it with the biggest possible threat.

Wales and Scotland are part of Britain, the 5th richest country on earth. Nigeria is world poverty capital. Despite Scotland being part of Britain, Scotland was given independence in 2014 so 5hey could freely decide if they want to be part of Britain. These people are far ahead of you, they know that it is not about being together, its about being together in peace so that progress may continue

But a Nigerian like you thinks everything is about being together even if being together has made you world poverty capital and 8th most terrorised country on earth.

A mere British colonial contraption is what you say is your country, and a name "Nigerian' that a white woman created in London is what you answer as your national identity. But when I say that people should get referendum just like Scotland, so that they can decide their destiny, some will say the the British colonial contraption called Nigeria is best. We are just too backwards thinking in Africa

A system.of government that has reduced you to poverty and insecurity is what you prefare just because it will uphold the white mans colonial creation called Nigeria

We are too backwards in Africa, that's why we are heading no where.

ChiefJusticeFuc:

I will be taking Ironsi's decree 34 apart and explaining it in detail to you Gidgiddy and later post Gowon's decree 8 that sought to abrogate all of Ironsi's useless decrees.



You can see from section 2 , that Ironsi reduced each region to a province under the control of the military dictatorship.

. You just an idiot, so after Ironsi who is the next, what didn't they change it since the Igbo has left, you people talking and bending history, if Ironsi changed regional government why hasn't other government changed it since 54 years ago, which state did Ironsi create ?

gidgiddy:


Wales and Scotland are part of Britain, the 5th richest country on earth. Nigeria is world poverty capital. Despite Scotland being part of Britain, Scotland was given independence in 2014 so 5hey could freely decide if they want to be part of Britain. These people are far ahead of you, they know that it is not about being together, its about being together in peace so that progress may continue

But a Nigerian like you thinks everything is about being together even if being together has made you world poverty capital and 8th most terrorised country on earth.

A mere British colonial contraption is what you say is your country, and a name "Nigerian' that a white woman created in London is what you answer as your national identity. But when I say that people should get referendum just like Scotland, so that they can decide their destiny, some will say the the British colonial contraption called Nigeria is best. We are just too backwards thinking in Africa

A system.of government that has reduced you to poverty and insecurity is what you prefare just because it will uphold the white mans colonial creation called Nigeria

We are too backwards in Africa, that's why we are heading no where.

Gidgiddy, you are being careful with the truth you know, UK is the second biggest economy in Europe after Germany, Nigeria is the biggest economy in Africa. The issue is that not even you but nearly all of you compare the standard in Africa to the Standard in Europe or Asia, why not compare Nigeria to Rwanda, South Africa, Egypt or Algeria, these are some of the best run African countries.

As for Scotland they were not granted independence but referendum, now when have Biafrans or anyone at that asked for referendum through official channels, have any Senator or governors from the Biafran territory made official move for referendum. I really appreciate Biafrans because they exist to always remind us that there’s a big fault in the line but I put it to you that fault is not in division or unity that fault is in mental emancipation to understand that we are only confined when our mind is confined. The minority Fulanis or the Yorubas or Hausas can not cage the Igbos.

Now I like that we are debating this as two Igbos who are ready to respect the sense of reasoning of the other. If Nigeria would not survive further, I don’t see Biafra as an option I see AlaIgbo. Having said that for now, All is good with Nigeria we need to accept reality and adapt. Those who best adapts to change would always thrive in a specie not the smartest not the strongest you may ask what is the solution and I don’t want to talk about that now but I have solutions and working on that.

Volksfuhrer:


Gidgiddy, you are better than this. ChiefJusticeFuc's posts should enlighten you.


Ironsi concentrated too much power in the FG for selfish, South East agenda. The North saw through this, violently removed Ironsi and inherited his super FG powers as spoils of war!

How dare you suggest they give such power back? It's theirs to wield as they like for their own benefits, just as Ironsi wanted to do. There's no way you can extricate Ironsi from this mess.

They removed Ironsi but failed to remove the system, Today Tinubu has removed them lol

gidgiddy:


Ironsi was 57 years ago, who has been running Nigeria since then? Why didnt the do better than Ironsi? Why do we have 36 states without resource control but still call our selves a federal Republic?

Nigeria is built on fraud and people like you cannot talk about Gowons decree 14 and 15, how 36 states cant to be, how we have become poverty capital of the world and 8th most insecure country on earth

Yet none of these things were present during Ironsi's time. But you people have to talk about Ironsi to deflect the fact that it was you people who have spent the last 57 years bringing Nigeria to the disastrous place it is.

Nigeria cannot be restructured, the core North do not want hear anything about restructuring and the constitution has to be changed in other to restructure, which needs two majority vote, it is mission impossible

The only choice for Nigeria is peaceful dissolution let everyone go their way and manage their land how best they know, or we stay together and fight each other forever

Look at this idiot, everyone is who and who ?

gidgiddy:


Then that means nobody was better than Ironsi. If you come to power, and you could not do better than who you replaced, and end up doing worse, you lose the moral right to criticise the one that did better than you.

As for Ironsi concentrating too much power at the centre, how is that possible when we had 4 Regions that were controlling their resources

Today we have 36 states with no resource control.

The "4 Regions that were controlling their resources" became provinces under FG overlordship. Whatever the "regions" became or possessed on the face of the decree were at the FG's discretion, after all Nigeria had become a unitary State!

That Ironsi had not created States before he was ousted didn't mean he wasn't empowered to do so. Ironsi's Unification Decree made him supreme commander over every nooks and crannies of Nigeria!

If Ironsi could abolish the Civil Services of the Regions by the stroke of the pen, what could have stopped Gowon from creating States with the same pen. Ironsi was power hungry, period! He created the monster that others used to destroy the country. He was also guilty!

Volksfuhrer:


The "4 Regions that were controlling their resources" became provinces under FG overlordship. Whatever the "regions" became or possessed on the face of the decree were at the FG's discretion, after all Nigeria had become a unitary State!

That Ironsi had not created States before he was ousted didn't mean he wasn't empowered to do so. Ironsi's Unification Decree made him supreme commander over every nooks and crannies of Nigeria!

If Ironsi could abolish the Civil Services of the Regions by the stroke of the pen, what could have stopped Gowon from creating States with the same pen. Ironsi was power hungry, period! He created the monster that others used to destroy the country. He was also guilty!

It is not possible to become a unitary state if you are controlling your resources because controlling your resources is what makes you independent of federal government. Ironsi did not create any state, he haf 4 military Governors administer the 4 areas that made up Nigeria and those 4 areas, wither you call them Regions or provinces, were controlling their resources right up to the day Ironsi was killed

Lets stop peddling this falsehood about Ironsi, the evidence is there for all to see. It was Gowon that came after Ironsi and used Decree 14 to abolish all 4 Regions and created 12 new states, then used decree 15 to end resource control. Google is there to verify