cornelboy:

Bye

Existence and Non Existence go together, define "create", then tell us what your isrealite god created 😉

Aemmyjah:


Have you seen a Koran before
Can you easily access it
Can u read it

Why do I have to order IFA book?

You will never do anything better for humans if you had the power
You should do research on why God allows suffering?

I have the Qur'an on my phone, both in Arabic and English. I have seen the Qur'an, read it, and studied it. 
I would be better than the biblical god because I would just take away the source of evil in the world. I won't need to be jealous of anybody, creating competition between me and others about who is better.
Concerning evil in the world, I think most suffering is caused by human actions, such as wars, conflicts, injustice, and societal issues. While other natural causes, which are few, are just probably part of the natural order. I probably don't know if it was predetermined by a supposed biblical god. I don't know why God allowed suffering in the world; give more explanation on it. How would you define God?

Maynman:

Existence and Non Existence go together, define "create", then tell us what your isrealite god created 😉

Whether the universe came by chance or was created by God, there was time it was absolutely non existent.
"Non existence" is not an entity itself but describes the time when an entity was not existing.

So to create means to bring into existence.

"Did non existence come by chance"? Is that a reasonable question to ask?

The fact is that, the universe was not existing, then at some point something caused it to be brought into existence.

cornelboy:

Whether the universe came by chance or was created by God, there was time it was absolutely non existent.
"Non existence" is not an entity itself but describes the time when an entity was not existing.

So to create means to bring into existence.

"Did non existence come by chance"? Is that a reasonable question to ask?

The fact is that, the universe was not existing, then at some point something caused it to be brought into existence.

Universe means Existence, everything that exists.
That means there was a time your god was not existing, and he came by chance?

How do you know non Existence without Existence?
They imply each other.

Aemmyjah:


They don't forbid education
Your leaders read on wealth and scamming members
Jesus and his disciples accomplishment is on preaching and making disciples
Yours is on building university that only few can afford
We don't need PhD to accomplish God's will
Our Bibles, books, magazines and website is the most translated. What has Papa done regarding translation of Bible or Bible based books than to sell them along with stickers, Goya oil that he mislead people calling it holy spirit. (Holy spirit inside bottle)

Your Papa is consistent on preaching money and tithe and prosperity . That is the only thing he knows... He even have mind to say that Job was attacked cos he did not pay tithe... What a shame

You blind people claiming to see and what to impose your ignorance on people. What makes the ministry of Paul different from the earlier apostles?
Be deceiving yourself and be looking for new lights up and down.

MightySparrow:



You blind people claiming to see and what to impose your ignorance on people. What makes the ministry of Paul different from the earlier apostles?
Be deceiving yourself and be looking for new lights up and down.

Keep fooling around
Whether you go school or you no go school
Jehovah is using all of us to accomplish his will
Ur ministry is to be dancing on the street to a song and be dishing out flyers
Papa does not preach Bible
Money is his ministry

gisevak:


I have the Qur'an on my phone, both in Arabic and English. I have seen the Qur'an, read it, and studied it. 
I would be better than the biblical god because I would just take away the source of evil in the world. I won't need to be jealous of anybody, creating competition between me and others about who is better.
Concerning evil in the world, I think most suffering is caused by human actions, such as wars, conflicts, injustice, and societal issues. While other natural causes, which are few, are just probably part of the natural order. I probably don't know if it was predetermined by a supposed biblical god. I don't know why God allowed suffering in the world; give more explanation on it. How would you define God?

You still have a very long way to go and your research is poor
What does the Bible ia the reason why God allows suffering?

Wilgrea7:


This is a weak attempt at a false dichotomy. If you want to know how dumb the question sounds, replace the word "brain", with "god"

Let me help you.

Do you have a god? Yes
Is your god a product of accident or intelligent design?

That's how your question sounds.

The Cause of an eternal, infinite universe can only be an Uncaused Being. That is something you can't deny but remain blind...
I understand you don't want to say it but if you believe that life came by accident. That means you believe that the brain is a product of blind chance... Your brain then cannot be correct

cornelboy:

For real it's something they should answer. If everything came by chance, why should I even mind anything he says, his comments definitely came by chance, he didn't think nor did he use intelligence lol. Nairaland forum came by chance.
I eat by chance, my digestive system works by chance, nutrients are transported through my body by chance, I excrete by chance.

Brother some people's sense have been blurred

If their brain is a result of an accident, their brain is not correct... Simple but hard confession for them

Who made Maynman eyes
Maynman - it was an accident

Who made Maynman limbs
Maynman - it was an accident

Who made Maynman ears amd nose
Maynman - it was an accident

Who made Maynman brain
Maynman - My brain is an accident. It is not correct

Maynman:

Universe means Existence, everything that exists.
That means there was a time your god was not existing, and he came by chance?

How do you know non Existence without Existence?
They imply each other.

The universe is the sum of everything existing. So what caused the universe to exist?

How you asked if my God wasn't existing at a time and came by chance is so dumb.

If the supposed creator of the universe wasn't existing at some point and then boom he appeared by chance, that wouldn't answer any questions or prove that he created the universe. If he came by chance, the universe and everything might have come by chance too.

But we are talking about an intelligent being that wonderfully held everything together in perfection and balance. The creator of the universe obviously can never be part of his creation. He was outside it just like an artist is outside his artworks.

For example, an artist can never be part of his arts. His artworks are products of his talent and intelligence and reasoning. When you look at the beautiful arts, you can only think about the talented person that made them.

Aemmyjah:


If their brain is a result of an accident, their brain is not correct... Simple but hard confession for them

Who made Maynman eyes
Maynman - it was an accident

Who made Maynman limtdbs
Maynman - it was an accident

Who made Maynman ears amd nose
Maynman - it was an accident

Who made Maynman brain
Maynman - My brain is an accident. It is not correct

The human body is not made.

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cornelboy:

The universe is the sum of everything existing. So what caused the universe to exist?

How you asked if my God wasn't existing at a time and came by chance is so dumb.

If the supposed creator of the universe wasn't existing at some point and then boom he appeared by chance, that wouldn't answer any questions or prove that he created the universe. If he came by chance, the universe and everything might have come by chance to
But we are talking about an intelligent being that wonderfully held everything together in perfection and beator of the universe obviously can never be part of his creation. He was outside
it just like an artist is outside his artworks.w

Universe means Existence, what caused Existence?

The artist just happened by chance?

Wilgrea7:


You're breathing heavily. calm down. No one is fighting you.

I'll try to explain in simple terms for you.

The universe is unbelievably complex, without a doubt. While I accept that, there's no evidence to show that some sort of divine hand or being in particular, caused it. That's just anthropomorphic thinking. In case you don't know what that word means, it means thinking about the "cause" of the universe in light of having human characteristics.

Moving on.

The reason why a god, or higher being would not suffice as an explanation, is because without a doubt as well, you'd agree with me that whatever alleged god you believe was able to cause the universe would also need to be incredibly complex as well...

so the question of complexity is not really answered. Its just pushed a step further and we're left asking what caused the complexity of the god.




Made a small correction for you there. Also, I never claimed the universe came from nothing, or is the cause of its own existence.




Now hold up there buckeroo. There are several blaring problems with your conclusion.

1. there's no reason to believe that the cause of the universe is eternal. If the universe is 14 billion years old, what stops the cause from being 50 billion, or just 15 billion? What evidence is there that suggests that the cause MUST be eternal?

How would you even go about verifying if something were eternal or not? It just seems like a pointless claim, like omnipotence or omniscience.

2. There's also no reason to believe that the cause of the universe must be a someone, talk less of that someone being singular.. but i won't get too much into that.



I don't understand what you mean by "we don't know the beginning of time and space." Care to expatiate?

Also, since when did we start "accepting" things we don't understand? Who is the "we" in this situation, because I sure as hell didn't get the memo.

Coming up with his own assumptions and nonsense
Who or what is behind the complexity in the universe if not a superhuman being? The things we see in the universe reflects wisdom, love and power. Could this have been a result of blind force or that the universe could bring about all these by itself?

Is it you that will bring an end to the universe? The universe seems to be developing and heading towards a goal

The universe is fine-tuned for life. The laws of physics and the constants of nature are all precisely calibrated to allow for the formation of stars, planets, and life. How will a living being not acknowledge that this is the product of an intelligent mind? Unless he's brain dead.
The universe is vast and complex. It is difficult to imagine that such a complex system could have arisen by chance. Evolution in itself does not bring about complexity

I don't know the exact word for you as eternal means something has no ending or beginning... The universe had a beginning. It's past was not infinite but looking at it and how it's expanding with the order and organizations and systems, even a half brain can tell that someone is behind it and that it will keep lasting. Or u wan tell that that there will be an end to matter, space, planets, stars and time?

Maynman:


Universe means Existence, what caused Existence?

The artist just happened by chance?

Baba go sleep.

cornelboy:

Baba go sleep.

The artist just happened by chance?

Aemmyjah:



Keep fooling around
Whether you go school or you no go school
Jehovah is using all of us to accomplish his will
Ur ministry is to be dancing on the street to a song and be dishing out flyers
Papa does not preach Bible
Money is his ministry

Do you know God?

Maynman:

The human body is not made.

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It evolved from fish

MightySparrow:


Do you know God?

Remember, You're asking a JW that question
Not a fellow churchgoer that listens to Papa

cornelboy:

The universe is the sum of everything existing. So what caused the universe to exist?

How you asked if my God wasn't existing at a time and came by chance is so dumb.

If the supposed creator of the universe wasn't existing at some point and then boom he appeared by chance, that wouldn't answer any questions or prove that he created the universe. If he came by chance, the universe and everything might have come by chance too.

But we are talking about an intelligent being that wonderfully held everything together in perfection and balance. The creator of the universe obviously can never be part of his creation. He was outside it just like an artist is outside his artworks.

For example, an artist can never be part of his arts. His artworks are products of his talent and intelligence and reasoning. When you look at the beautiful arts, you can only think about the talented person that made them.

Don't mind the mumu atheist
So shallow in his thinking
How can the Creator of life be made from the things he made?
A robot is made up steel. Can it comprehend his Maker?
God is not made of matter. Thus we can't see him
He's a spirit, invisible to the eye

cornelboy:

I know you said that by chance.

That's why I asked him if his brain is created or came by accident

Aemmyjah:


Remember, You're asking a JW that question
Not a fellow churchgoer that listens to Papa

I have never met a jw person that knows God.
Tell me about God and your encounter with Him

Aemmyjah:


It evolved from fish

Or the first life forms that began in water like you said

Aemmyjah:


Don't mind the mumu atheist
So shallow in his thinking
How can the Creator of fofe be made from the things he made?
A robot is made up steel
Can it comprehend his Maker?
God is not made of matter. Thus we can't see him
He's a spirit, invisible to the eye

A robot is made of steel, what is steel made of, the maker of robot l, what is his own body made of?

If he is not made of matter, where did he get matter from, you can't give what you lack of.

Spirit means breathe, in the Classical Elements that's Air.

Aemmyjah:


The Cause of an eternal, infinite universe can only be an Uncaused Being. That is something you can't deny but remain blind...

You're jumping between claiming the universe is eternal, and claiming it isn't. Pick a side.

I understand you don't want to say it but if you believe that life came by accident. That means you believe that the brain is a product of blind chance... Your brain then cannot be correct

Your logic genuinely amazes me.

First of all, i never claimed life came about by "chance".. but second and funniest of all, is that chance and truth are 2 different things.

For example.. the claim as to whether or not the brain is correct is very unrelated to whether it came about by chance or not.

What do you even mean by "the brain is correct"?.. it seems like a pretty lame blanket term to define literally anything.. or perhaps nothing

Maynman:

A robot is made of steel, what is steel made of, the maker of robot l, what is his own body made of?

If he is not made of matter, where did he get matter from, you can't give what you lack of.

According to what your own limited brain can comprehend
Could the Maker of the universe be a mortal? Made of flesh and blood like man?
That One must be grand, lofty, powerful
We don't even know 1% of our universe. Na to come know everything about the Maker

Keep playing

Maynman:

Or the first life forms that began in water like you said

I said the first forms of life was created began in the water as Bible says
Others were also created
Nothing evolved

Go and ask your ancestorsfish

Aemmyjah:



According to what your own limited brain can comprehend
Could the Maker of the universe be a mortal? Made of flesh and blood like man?
That One must be grand, lofty, powerful
We don't even know 1% of our universe. Na to come know everything about the Maker

Keep playing

How did he create what he lack?

Aemmyjah:


I said the first forms of life was created began in the water as Bible says
Others were also created
Nothing evolved

Go and ask your ancestorsfish

You don't even understand your jargons.
Was it after they were " created began" in water,what kind of english is this 😂

MightySparrow:



I have never met a jw person that knows God.
Tell me about God and your encounter with Him

Keep searching for who worships your god of money

Maynman:

You don't even understand your jargons.
Was it after they were " created began" in water,what kind of english is this 😂

Your claims even contradict what fossils present by Geology
You just blindly follow internet without even removing the blindfold to take a peep

Fish descendant

Maynman:

The artist just happened by chance?

Nope nothing came by chance not even his the artworks.

cornelboy:

Nope nothing came by not

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even his the artworks.

Not even the maker of artworks too.