MaxInDHouse:
It's a SIN to start praying the first time!

MaxInDHouse:
It's a SIN to start praying the first time!

Emusan:


Where was it written in the Bible?

Emusan:

Where was it written in the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Jesus said his disciples should pray with or for the person they want to preach to?

In fact his own words shows that he only pray with those that has believe in him! John 17:8-9

Emusan:


Where was it stated in the scripture is my question?

Why using question to answer question?

So where was it stated in the scripture that it's a sin?

Janosky:

Where was it written in your Bible that Jesus did so?

Emusan:


Where was it stated in the scripture is my question?

Why using question to answer question?

So where was it stated in the scripture that it's a sin?

Janosky:
Where was it written in your Bible that Jesus did so?

Why are you making a rule when Jesus Christ did not?

Africaflavour:
"We only pray with you and your family the third time we meet" Jehovah Witness lady Speak out. Having conversations with a Jehovah Witness lady when she came to preach with a group of people in my neighborhood. A young man by name Godwin ask the young lady to pray before preaching to them but the young lady refused saying that before the leave the Kingdom hall that they had already pray, that she can't pray with them and that is....

Emusan:

So where was it stated in the scripture that it's a sin?

MightySparrow:


Emusan! So you don't know?
Check below. Not only is it sinful to pray with sinners, they cannot pray for a none members in their families. Jehovah will not answer them. In fact, they tell Jehovah whose prayers to answer.



Luke.18.10 - Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luke.18.11 - The Pharisee (JWs) stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luke.18.12 - I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


Luke.18.13 - And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Thank God, Jehovah still answers us once in a while.

Emusan:


You haven't answered my question.



I didn't make any rule, I simply asked question which you and your deluded brother never answer.

Kindly show me where I make any rule...

MaxInDHouse:

It's a sin doing God's work without following the WAY Jesus laid down! John 14:6

If you want to make àkàrà or fùfú there's no sin anyhow you go about it but preaching and teaching about God's kingdom everyone must follow Jesus' footstep.

He said there's no prayers for those who hasn't accept us as God's representatives! John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

I know you're pained each time we quoted God's word with efficacy to prove ourselves so take heart we are the worshipers of the Bible God!

because I have given them the sayings that you gave me,and they have accepted them and have certainly come to know that I came as your representative, and they have believed that you sent me.9 I make request concerning them; I make request, not concerning the world, but concerning those whom you have given me, because they are yours;

Proverbs 28:9 The one refusing to listen to the law—Even his prayer is detestable.

Jeremiah 11:14 As for you, do not pray in behalf of this people. Do not cry out in their behalf or offer a prayer for them, for I will not be listening when they call out to me because of their calamity

I know you're pained each time we quoted God's word with efficacy to prove ourselves so take heart we are the worshipers of the Bible God

achorladey:


We should equally ask them who set the rule that says Jehovah’s witnesses should pray after the third time of meeting the householder

MightySparrow:



The Governing Body nah!

I don't know whether or not the body has head o.
Before, they used to have presidents.
Now, everybody in the body is equal.

achorladey:


Starting with John 17 :8-9.......

Jesus was not even preaching and teaching in that account. Renders the point you are making out of it invalid

Proverbs 28:9...... He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

The assumed position Jehovah’s witnesses used here is that their householder are already turning their ears away from the law or are potential or seen already as law breakers so no need to pray first. They need to be taught keep the law first



Just like I said above the assumed position Jehovah’s witnesses have is that their householder no matter how they subject themselves to God and Jesus they see them as law breakers not to be prayed


Now this will expose their madness and insanities peddling accompanied by lies and manipulations

The same people they prayed for while at their kingdom halls before going to the place they live is the same people they call worldly not to be prayed for, law breakers while at their doorstep e.t.c Some will give or allow Jehovah’s witness to deliver the message they bring and then asked the Jehovah's Witnesses to pray before leaving. The Jehovah's Witnesses will still refuse to pray. The householder had listen carefully to whatever law they bring in their preaching and teaching work yet they cannot follow the standard they are using that those who don't listen to law their prayers are abomination. The laughable aspect is the Jehovah’s witnesses who are asked to prayer do not see themselves as law breakers? Do they?

Cc Emusan, MightySparrow



Na to peddle pains alongside your insanities and madness peddling accompanied by lies and manipulations of the scripture

achorladey:


their 9 GODS housed in USA

They have a chairman every year. They rotate it amongst themselves.

Robert Louis Ciranko (born March 9, 1947) is the current president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania (2014–), the ]principal corporation of Jehovah's Witnesses. Brooklyn, New York U.S.

MightySparrow:


The position of MaximumSide and his organization is that of spiritual overzealousness.

The Jeremiah 11 he qouted is out of point. I have a thread in this section that asks about Law and Grace. There is nothing about it that concerns us, New Testament believers has not broken Mosaic covenant.
But for the sake of argument and to present themselves holier than thou, they qoute scriptures out of context.

It is all lies and hypocrisy.
You can go back to the scripture yourself. In fact, incidentally, I am studying Jeremiah now.

Even if it is, are they prophets?
They claim they are not in their book Reasoning from the Scriptures.

Did God send to pray for people ( sinners)?
No!

MightySparrow:



Okay, I think because Jesus didn't make any of His disciples a leader, ' New Lights ' forbid that.
Or, maybe I am showing them the Latest Light

achorladey:

Starting with John 17 :8-9.......

"For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." John 17:8-9 KJV

Jesus was not even preaching and teaching in that account. Renders the point you are making out of it invalid

MaxInDHouse:


He was PREACHING and TEACHING when majority of his disciples left him! John 6:66

So it was those that stick to him despite all his teachings that seems irritating to his contemporaries that Jesus prayed for he never prayed for all his listeners.

That's according to what God's word said @ Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14 this shows that Jesus was strictly following the standard God set in the scriptures regarding whom we should pray with! Matthew 5:17


Over to you Sir!

He was PREACHING and TEACHING when majority of his disciples left him! John 6:66

Matthew 5:17

MaxInDHouse:
It's a sin doing God's work without following the WAY Jesus laid down! John 14:6

If you want to make àkàrà or fùfú there's no sin anyhow you go about it but preaching and teaching about God's kingdom everyone must follow Jesus' footstep.

He said there's no prayers for those who hasn't accept us as God's representatives! John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

I know you're pained each time we quoted God's word with efficacy to prove ourselves so take heart we are the worshipers of the Bible God!

achorladey:

Ran away from John 17:8,9 and grab John 6
That is the summary of your post
What did your religious organization states Jesus was doing in the screenshot attached below? Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill. Jesus don't go about peddling lies and manipulations of the scripture by destroying the law and the prophet like you do
Same Matthew 5: 43 You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor+ and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies+ and to pray for those who persecute you,+ 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens,+ since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous
You don't even know what your beliefs stop packing lies and manipulations into your brains MightySparrow see MaxInDHouse making the same blunder of using Matthew 5:17 to peddle fraud that don't exist

MaxInDHouse:


God revealed to His prophet:
No prayers for faithless miscreants! Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14
Jesus said he has not come to abolish what God revealed to prophets! Matthew 5:17
So he will not pray for or with faithless miscreants! John 17:8-9
That's what Jehovah's Witnesses in ancient times and today practice!

Emusan:

But you prayed the third time, why?
Deluded misinformed hallgoer miscreant

MaxInDHouse:

Because the householder has accepted us as God's representatives sent to TEACH him or her so according to Jesus we must let our Peace reign with such a person by praying with him or her! Matthew 10:13

MaxInDHouse:


God revealed to His prophet:
No prayers for faithless miscreants! Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14
Jesus said he has not come to abolish what God revealed to prophets! Matthew 5:17
So he will not pray for or with faithless miscreants! John 17:8-9
That's what Jehovah's Witnesses in ancient times and today practice!

MaxInDHouse:


God revealed to His prophet:
No prayers for faithless miscreants! Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14
Jesus said he has not come to abolish what God revealed to prophets! Matthew 5:17
So he will not pray for or with faithless miscreants! John 17:8-9
That's what Jehovah's Witnesses in ancient times and today practice!

God revealed to His prophet:
No prayers for faithless miscreants! Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

So he will not pray for or with faithless miscreants! John 17:8-9