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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Valto(m): 7:33pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:


Current is NEVER TOO MUCH because the applicance draws what it needs.
It's Voltage that CAN BE TOO MUCH because it flows into the connected device.


in other words, if a phone's charger is rated 5-volts 2A , you would have no issue connecting it to a charger rated 5-volts 400A. BUT no make mistake connect am to charger of much higher Voltage.
wrong in this case.. most lead acid needs a charge current range of not more than 10%. pushing more than that will cause some damage...

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 7:58pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:


Current is NEVER TOO MUCH because the applicance draws what it needs.
It's Voltage that CAN BE TOO MUCH because it flows into the connected device.


in other words, if a phone's charger is rated 5-volts 2A , you would have no issue connecting it to a charger rated 5-volts 400A. BUT no make mistake connect am to charger of much higher Voltage.

All information is wrong..

Battery that does not have BMS cannot limit the charge current..

Also don't attempt to connect a 5V, 400A, 2000 Watts into phone. You will smoke the cable as well as the phone as there is a power limit the board can handle.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ameh99: 8:14pm On Oct 07, 2023
24v 100AH prismatic cells

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by EPOMA(m): 8:26pm On Oct 07, 2023
ameh99:
24v 100AH prismatic cells

inside our pack..

call/whatsapp 09068448005

Why cant you put your price . waste of time

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 8:39pm On Oct 07, 2023
ameh99:
24v 100AH prismatic cells

inside our pack..

call/whatsapp 09068448005

Inclusion of an Active balancer is a plus especially on used cells. Well done.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by brightk(m): 9:03pm On Oct 07, 2023
ameh99:
24v 100AH prismatic cells

inside our pack..

call/whatsapp 09068448005

If there is anything called grade e cells i think it will fit into the category of cells you sell to unsuspecting victims. You cant eat your cake n have it.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 9:11pm On Oct 07, 2023
brightk:


If there is anything called grade e cells i think it will fit into the category of cells you sell to unsuspecting victims. You cant eat your cake n have it.

I guess he wouldn't sell at same price as new cells
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 9:12pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:


All information is wrong..

Battery that does not have BMS cannot limit the charge current..

Also don't attempt to connect a 5V, 400A, 2000 Watts into phone. You will smoke the cable as well as the phone as there is a power limit the board can handle.

Most phones will only pull just what it need at that 5V
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:14pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:


All information is wrong..

Battery that does not have BMS cannot limit the charge current..

Also don't attempt to connect a 5V, 400A, 2000 Watts into phone. You will smoke the cable as well as the phone as there is a power limit the board can handle.


Obviously forgot that a hungry battery, would try to draw as much current as it needs.

yes I was correct that "the connected device draws the amount of current it needs", just that in this case, the battery would charge quicker, but it's life span reduced over time.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:20pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:


All information is wrong..

Battery that does not have BMS cannot limit the charge current..

Also don't attempt to connect a 5V, 400A, 2000 Watts into phone. You will smoke the cable as well as the phone as there is a power limit the board can handle.

https://www.google.com/search?q=will+a+phone+charger+with+higher+current+rating%2C+damage+the+phone
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kristien4(m): 9:21pm On Oct 07, 2023
Jefferyzz:
U could av snapped the inscription. Nonetheless. Reduce ur Ac charger to 20a as it's connected in series. Each battery will b charged at 20a. If all 4 are connected in parallel u wouldn't need to reduce the amp. Ur ac ac charger is a 48v 40a variant and not 12v 40a.
Thanks.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:21pm On Oct 07, 2023
EPOMA:


Why cant you put your price . waste of time
so that you would start JUDGing ba
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 9:22pm On Oct 07, 2023
Queed:


Most phones will only pull just what it need at that 5V

There is a limiter, that has a rating it can handle..if you exceed the limiter's capacity, you are on our own.

I have blown up devices based on your assumptions.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:23pm On Oct 07, 2023
brightk:


If there is anything called grade e cells i think it will fit into the category of cells you sell to unsuspecting victims. You cant eat your cake n have it.
Reason why I have said "whenever I decides BUYing lithium battery", I build my battery bank myself. That way, I am sure of health of it's individual cells
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by kristien4(m): 9:24pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:


C20 - 200ah/20 - 10A discharge..
10% max charge - 20A Charge....

4 batteries in series - 48V, 200AH. Max charge 20A. Discharge 10A

4 batteries in Parallel - 12V, 800AH. Max charge 80A. Discharge 40A
Thanks.

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:24pm On Oct 07, 2023
Queed:


Most phones will only pull just what it need at that 5V
Thanks.
Even if they pull more, it would never be too large to cause a short term damage.
Reason why using a Tablet's charger to charge a small phone would quickly charge the phone within a shorter time, but in the long run, the health of that battery might be IMPACTED if the phone's circuitry isn't built to correct such anomality - say when the PHONE is not ORIGINAL.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 9:24pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:


https://www.google.com/search?q=will+a+phone+charger+with+higher+current+rating%2C+damage+the+phone

It's people like you that wrote the article you are referencing.. if you need a power supply and you have a phone to blow let's do practical.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:29pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:


There is a limiter, that has a rating it can handle..if you exceed the limiter's capacity, you are on our own.

I have blown up devices based on your assumptions.
Current, no be Voltage.

Take a laptop's charger for example - when the charger in use has current rating lower than recommended, the charger gets warm / hot during use. That's because that charger is struggling to supply the quantity of current the connected device (Laptop) is drawing.
Now if the difference between recommended current vs what the charger can provide is wide, the charger, NOT the LAPTOP would SPOIL.

Now when the Charger has a volatge much much lower thn whats recommened, the laptop won't power at all.

BUT if that same charger has voltage higher than what's recommeded, and the endurance ratio is exceeded, that laptop's circuitry would fry.

Again
Voltage FLOWs IN
CURRENT is DRAWN
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 9:33pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:
Current, no be Voltage.

Take a laptop's charger for example - when the charger in use has current rating lower than recommended, the charger gets warm / hot during use. That's because that charger is struggling to supply the quantity of current the connected device (Laptop) is drawing.
Now if the difference between recommended current vs what the charger can provide is wide, the charger, NOT the LAPTOP would SPOIL.

Now when the Charger has a volatge much much lower thn whats recommened, the laptop won't power at all.

BUT if that same charger has voltage higher than what's recommeded, and the endurance ratio is exceeded, that laptop's circuitry would fry.

Again
Voltage FLOWs IN
CURRENT is DRAWN

Where are you reading all these?

Stop using Appliances Analogy for Batteries and Chargers..

I thought you agreed to that in your previous comment!
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:34pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:


It's people like you that wrote the article you are referencing.. if you need a power supply and you have a phone to blow let's do practical.
I'm sorry, not here for this.
I'm mostly on Nairaland when I need clear ma head.
My comment was a general one which applies to all things circuits.

AND that's why battery chargers HAVE current limiter ELSE the BATTERY would TRY to DRAW all THE current it needs in a single go
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Dam5reey(m): 9:37pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:
I'm sorry, not here for this.
I'm mostly on Nairaland when I need clear ma head.
My comment was a general one which applies to all things circuits.

AND that's why batteries HAVE current limiter ELSE the BATTERY would TRY to DRAW all THE current it needs in a single go

Peace
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:37pm On Oct 07, 2023
Dam5reey:


Where are you reading all these?
what's been in my small head since I was much younger. Have no business reading such at this stage since na computers I face now.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 9:38pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:
Thanks.
Even if they pull more, it would never be too large to cause a short term damage.

Each phone has a sensing circuit to sense how much current the charger can supply but would limit the current it will take to what it can take.

If the current through the sensing circuit is too large it can cause it to blow and in the process take out other circuits around it.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 9:43pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:
I'm sorry, not here for this.
I'm mostly on Nairaland when I need clear ma head.
My comment was a general one which applies to all things circuits.

AND that's why batteries HAVE current limiter ELSE the BATTERY would TRY to DRAW all THE current it needs in a single go

Batteries don't have current limiter. Their internal resistance is too small to effectively limit current.

It's good to be convinced about what you know but when you see differing opinion always go back and revalidate your claim.

The information you passed isn't correct. Someone referencing only that your post would be greatly misled.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:45pm On Oct 07, 2023
mank1234:


Batteries don't have current limiter. Their internal resistance is too small to effectively limit current.

It's good to be convinced about what you know but when you see differing opinion always go back and revalidate your claim.

The information you passed isn't correct. Someone referencing only that your post would be greatly misled.

I obviously meant the battery Charger. when person makes mistake, rather than correct, you see it as bargaining chip.

...but if na to argue, I could equally say I was refering to Lithium batteries. Even though no be all of them dey get come with BMS
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:49pm On Oct 07, 2023
mank1234:


Batteries don't have current limiter. Their internal resistance is too small to effectively limit current.

It's good to be convinced about what you know but when you see differing opinion always go back and revalidate your claim.

The information you passed isn't correct. Someone referencing only that your post would be greatly misled.


You get time sha. I said what I said.

yea I might have missed a word and you're free to spew it however you want.
That doesn't change the fact I know what I'm talking about.

Let me use the remaining time to scan throuw rt.com and the likes to know Israel vs her opponent, who dey win
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by mank1234(m): 9:57pm On Oct 07, 2023
bassdow:
I obviously meant the battery Charger. when person makes mistake, rather than correct, you see it as bargaining chip.

...but if na to argue, I could equally say I was refering to Lithium batteries. Even though no be all of them dey get come with BMS

Sorry Sir, if I came across as seeking 'bargaining chip'.
If there was unlike button, I would have click it and moved without commenting.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by FEGEITOK: 10:47pm On Oct 07, 2023
I want to put another inverter online as an upgrade to my existing renewable energy setup.

I need pricing for 2P-40A AC circuit breaker, 2P-160A DC circuit breaker.

Please provide both pricing and brand name
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by ojeysky(m): 8:03am On Oct 08, 2023
bassdow:


You get time sha. I said what I said.

yea I might have missed a word and you're free to spew it however you want.
That doesn't change the fact I know what I'm talking about.

Let me use the remaining time to scan throuw rt.com and the likes to know Israel vs her opponent, who dey win

This thread is to share/learn experiences and what you say here is very important as it may help someone else positively or otherwise. Please have a open mind to correct what you had thought was the right thing.

1. No lithium cells comes with a BMS
2. A 5v with 400A source connected to a phone will sure blow it up as the current limiting diodes will fail at some point if not immediately
3. A lead acid Max charge current needs to set on the charger to avoid spoiling the battery
4. Lithium has a higher C rates with most of them being able to do 1C hence you have a lot of window to play around with subject to your installed BMS max

Ultimately as we say on stock thread, readers are adviced to apply due diligence on what they read here.

All the best

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Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:21am On Oct 08, 2023
ojeysky:


This thread is to share/learn experiences and what you say here is very important as it may help someone else positively or otherwise. Please have a open mind to correct what you had thought was the right thing.

1. No lithium cells comes with a BMS
2. A 5v with 400A source connected to a phone will sure blow it up as the current limiting diodes will fail at some point if not immediately
3. A lead acid Max charge current needs to set on the charger to avoid spoiling the battery
4. Lithium has a higher C rates with most of them being able to do 1C hence you have a lot of window to play around with subject to your installed BMS max

Ultimately as we say on stock thread, readers are adviced to apply due diligence on what they read here.

All the best


hmm

you guys still on this.

see I know what we say matters BUT , I'm yet to see where I got it wrong.

I also AGREE No One KNOWs it ALL



I used a phone as example, and we all knows it's difficult seeing a 5-volts, 400A phone charger BUT that was just to back up my talk that Current is drawn, while Voltage flows in.

It was a general talk not focusing on anything in particular, not even focusing on Lead Acid batteries the question was asked under.

So if you want to proove me wrong, please supply evidence (with notable Links), to back it up.

When I see something as RED, and GOD comes calling it WHITE, He has to really PROVE it else I no go gree. Not even because He's a God sef would make me blindly accept.

1. No lithium cells comes with a BMS: I disAgree with you here, both from personal experience, and from asking Aunty Google.com. I have built (not assemble/couple) a lot of things Sir. Also I have torn things apart right from my childHood days. Anyways, see Aunty google's response when asked https://www.google.com/search?q=do+lithium+cells+come+with+bms

2. A 5v with 400A source connected to a phone will sure blow it up as the current limiting diodes will fail at some point if not immediately: Rather than drop my opinion, which you obviously wouldn't accept, let me drop you a link. you're free to search more similar links https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/will-a-high-current-3-1a-destroy-smartphone-battery.789365/

3. A lead acid Max charge current needs to set on the charger to avoid spoiling the battery : Well don't want to say you're entirely RIGHT here. Because I know leadAcidBatteries have 3-stages of charge namely bulk, absorption, and float. and the current ain't constant in all these stages.

In battery charger, Current is being limited, else the Connected battery would try to draw as much current as it needs (Recall I said numerous times already that Current is DRAWN, while VOLTAGE flows in)



I no say I no study Elect / Elect or do BoyBoy for electrician, but that one no mean say the small one wey I sabi, I no sabi am well.
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by bassdow: 9:25am On Oct 08, 2023
FEGEITOK:
I want to put another inverter online as an upgrade to my existing renewable energy setup.

I need pricing for 2P-40A AC circuit breaker, 2P-160A DC circuit breaker.

Please provide both pricing and brand name


why not start your PRICing journey on JiJi . ng , then make a couple of calls. That way, when you're given astronomical PRICEs on nairaland, you would have idea on how to bargain with them.
Most prices I see here often makes me wonder the sort of humans we have become. it's even worse in that funny thread called "Clearance Sales ..."
Re: Solar Energy, A Complement To FTA by Queed: 10:44am On Oct 08, 2023
Dam5reey:


There is a limiter, that has a rating it can handle..if you exceed the limiter's capacity, you are on our own.

I have blown up devices based on your assumptions.

I agree with you that there's a limiter capacity that if exceeded, the device might be destroyed.

The question now is what could cause this limiter capacity to be exceeded?

Certainly it can't be current because say a 2A limiter will do all it could to maintain a current 2A.

Could it be voltage? Yes!
Because the excess voltage will result to more power being dissipated by the limiter to maintain 2A current!

What could cause the excess voltage?

Case 1. The power source itself ( your phone charger )
Case 2. The battery being too low ( the limiter will disspate more power to maintain 2A for a battery that's at 3V, than when the battery gets to 4V )

So in assumption that your phone's limiter can handle Case 2 without any issue, and as long as the voltage of you charger never exceeds 5V, even if it's a 1000A source, nothing will happen to your phone.

Remember I said Most phones grin
Queed:


Most phones will only pull just what it need at that 5V

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