1960TECH:
No matter how hard i try to understand this verse of the bible the deeper i get lost, my dad who happend to be a Rev has done his best in explaining, but i cant place my fingers on what an innocent child who never beg to be born did to be hated right from the womb of his mother by God.

"Esua i hate, Jacob i love" Romans 9:13

I sometime doult His existance what can hardcore christians say about this Cause am not getting it

pweeryambre:
■ I thought i was the only one that felt this way... the story of Esau and Jacob just doesn't make sense at all, or was it meant to be some kind of parables...
■ Esau was just too innocent and loyal and yet was never rewarded in return, similar stories include the prodigal son, Mary and Martha etc.

The story of Esau and Jacob remains one of the biggest traumas of my growing up years
I literally hurt, physically and emotionally, trying to wrap my head around the story
Not a good story at all, for me...I also do not like the story of Mary and Martha....I was rooting for Martha, and Mary buttered up the master and took all the praise! ...I still dont get it
I digress now, but I think I need to read the Bible again, as a full and total adult...I wanna see if I would get those now, to know whether the terror (eg from Revelations), the joy, the pain, the injustice, the hope, the love and every feeling I got from reading it still hold true

I actually have to read the Bible again...asap
#resolve#to-do
I really wish it would leave me feeling good...my young mind felt many stories there were unjust...wanna see how I would feel about them now

22jumpstreet1:
■ a good background to understanding it is to study the story of Enki and Enlil...... then you will understand the story of Jacob and Esau.. it simply means that there are two sides to God...Jacob(Enki) and his sons and daughters occupy the right side
while Esau(Enlil) and his sons and daughters occupy the left side

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! Stop spouting bullsheet in a desperate attempt to sound learned, as is always the case with you, for crying out loud.

There is absolutely no literary connection to be had between that story and that of Jacob or Esau.

Aemmyjah:
Pls, what is the source of that story?

Kobojunkie:
The Epic of Gilgamesh. Enlil, Enki and An, I believe, were supposed gods tasked with creation of the world and men.

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! Stop spouting bullsheet in a desperate attempt to sound learned, as is always the case with you, for crying out loud.

There is absolutely no literary connection to be had between that story and that of Jacob or Esau.

Kobojunkie:
The Epic of Gilgamesh. Enlil, Enki and An, I believe, were supposed gods tasked with creation of the world and men.

22jumpstreet1:
■ do you really want to learn?

i suggest you read this book....

22jumpstreet1:
■ you really don't know anything.... such a pity..i can understand you don't want your illusion destroyed, but not in this 21st century....
■ go online...learn, nobody asked you to believe anything....

Kobojunkie:
Abeg get away!

22jumpstreet1:
a good background to understanding it is to study the story of Enki and Enlil......

then you will understand the story of Jacob and Esau..

it simply means that there are three aspects to God...

Jacob(Enki) and his sons and daughters occupy the right side
while Esau(Enlil) and his sons and daughters occupy the left side
In the center be the Leprechaun and his minions