raumdeuter:


I don't agree. Pep spent 3 seasons in Germany, he has spent 7yrs in England most teams are adopting his style and the national team is getting better

Germany is currently not producing talents. For the first time in a long while Bayern the biggest team have no German defender

It's so bad that players like Fulkrug, players from Brighton like Gross, Schade a bench option at Brentford and other midtable teams are considered national team options because we don't have enough top talents

When we won 2014 Lahm Neuer Boateng Schweini Muller Klose were at Bayern. Khedira and Ozil at Madrid that's like 8 starters at tier 1 clubs because we had talents

airmark:


Out of the 19 teams in the league, mention 10 teams that adopted Fraudiola's style?

airmark:


Out of the 19 teams in the league, mention 10 teams that adopted Fraudiola's style?

raumdeuter:


Count the number of teams that play from the back

airmark:


You should list them, since you claimed that most play Fraudiola's style.

Meanwhile, I hope you know Fraudiola didn't invent tiki taka.

Redknapp believes City boss Guardiola is ahead of 13-time title winner Ferguson, however, by virtue of how his preferred playing style has transformed modern football.
"I think he's the greatest ever and why I say that is that he has changed football," said the Sky Sports pundit as City celebrated their success at the Etihad Stadium.

"There have been some great managers. You go through history, Arrigo Sacchi, what he did with AC Milan, Johan Cruyff… Managers who have changed things forever, and he is certainly one of them
"When you go and watch football now, be it grassroots or whatever, everybody plays the Pep way. People play out from the back when we thought it is impossible.
"He has changed peoples' perception of the game. You have midfield players and defenders going into different areas, playing out, splitting defences, and for me he is the greatest ever.

"He has won 11 domestic titles in the 14 years he's been a manager, 28 major trophies. You can talk about Sir Alex Ferguson, Bill Shankly as well. There have been some amazing managers.

"But for me he has changed football forever.

raumdeuter:


Count the number of teams that play from the back

kendrick9:
In what universe did Pep invent playing out from the back?

Even the Tika taka was a Johan Cryuff rebranded..

Redknapp believes City boss Guardiola is ahead of 13-time title winner Ferguson, however, by virtue of how his preferred playing style has transformed modern football.
"I think he's the greatest ever and why I say that is that he has changed football," said the Sky Sports pundit as City celebrated their success at the Etihad Stadium.

"When you go and watch football now, be it grassroots or whatever, everybody plays the Pep way. People play out from the back when we thought it is impossible.
"He has changed peoples' perception of the game. You have midfield players and defenders going into different areas, playing out, splitting defences, and for me he is the greatest ever.

raumdeuter:


Read and educate yourself

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-pep-guardiola-manager-25929082

https://www.eurosport.com/football/champions-league/2022-2023/pep-guardiola-has-transformed-english-football-from-backwards-to-technical-say-bt-sport-pundits_sto9211601/story.shtml

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/18932/12886456/pep-guardiola-has-changed-football-and-is-ahead-of-sir-alex-ferguson-as-greatest-manager-ever-says-jamie-redknapp


https://theathletic.com/3327242/2022/05/24/guardiola-premier-league-change/

kendrick9:
In what universe did Pep invent playing out from the back?

Even the Tika taka was a Johan Cryuff rebranded..

airmark:


Gibberish.

List 10 Epl clubs that copied Fraudiola's style he stole from Cruyff, Rijkaard etc.

raumdeuter:


Redknapp believes City boss Guardiola is ahead of 13-time title winner Ferguson, however, by virtue of how his preferred playing style has transformed modern football.

"When you go and watch football now, be it grassroots or whatever, everybody plays the Pep way. People play out from the back when we thought it is impossible.

"But for me he has changed football forever.

airmark:


That's Redknapp's ignorant opinion. List 10 Epl teams that copied Cruyff/Rijkaard/Fraudiola's style.

Fraudiola stole ideas of Cruyff, Rijkaard and took over teams with Messi and over 1.6bn.

raumdeuter:


BT Sport pundits Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Glenn Hoddle and Joleon Lescott have heaped praise on Pep Guardiola, who they all believe has pioneered a transformation in English football. The game has become - to most observers - more attractive since Guardiola’s success at Barcelona and Bayern Munich, before he joined Manchester City in 2016 to work his magic in the Premier League

“We have now embraced that European way of playing and our ideas about football,” Ferdinand told BT Sport.
“Being in and around the academies, the coaching is so different compared to when we grew up when it was all shouting and dragging people left and right.
“Whereas now, it’s very much that culture of Guardiola, who has had a huge influence on that style of football.”

https://www.eurosport.com/football/champions-league/2022-2023/pep-guardiola-has-transformed-english-football-from-backwards-to-technical-say-bt-sport-pundits_sto9211601/story.shtml

raumdeuter:


How come before Pep tams in England were not using it

Cryuff coached in the 80s yet teams in England didnt hear of this tactic before Pep joined

airmark:


Gibberish.

List 10 Epl clubs that copied Fraudiola's style he stole from Cruyff, Rijkaard etc.

raumdeuter:


I don't agree. Pep spent 3 seasons in Germany, he has spent 7yrs in England most teams are adopting his style and the national team is getting better

Germany is currently not producing talents. For the first time in a long while Bayern the biggest team have no German defender

It's so bad that players like Fulkrug, players from Brighton like Gross, Schade a bench option at Brentford and other midtable teams are considered national team options because we don't have enough top talents

When we won 2014 Lahm Neuer Boateng Schweini Muller Klose were at Bayern. Khedira and Ozil at Madrid that's like 8 starters at tier 1 clubs because we had talents

kendrick9:
But playing out from the back wasn't invented by Pep that's my point.
And how many teams are even playing Pep style of football?

Or are implying teams playing Attacking football are mimicking Pep tiki taka?

kendrick9:
Exactly...
How many teams in Epl even play tiki taka.
Maybe he's confusing well structured attacking football with Tiki taka

kendrick9:

I prefer the German style over this Tika taka whatever.
Fast, quick counter attacks..
That's why they are the German machines.
Klopp peak Dortmund side and Bayern under Juup Heynekes embodied that.
And Germany in 2006 had mid players like Frings, Borowski, Podolski, Odonkor, Friedich etc... and still played excellent football in the German way.
They need to return to their roots.
Same with Brazil

raumdeuter:


Maybe all these coaches who adopt Peps style never knew about German football or the German coaches who now adopt Peps style don't know about it

That is your preference, some people also prefer catennacio but there is a reason those who matter in football those who have more knowledge than you are going to Pep to learn his methods

raumdeuter:


Go and ask all the knowledgeable ex footballers and coaches who said Pep changed English football

raumdeuter:


He doesn't have to be the inventor, when it was invented why didnt people in England use it for decades before Pep?

he introduced it to England a style many swore will never work and he proved it can work now many are using it

kendrick9:
There's nothing Pep brought that hasn't been seen in English football.
The only difference is he's had an oil state giving him a blank cheque to play with.
Very Good coach but saying he brought in any invention to English football I disagree with.

kendrick9:
Again who are these teams supposedly using it?

Infact more teams play the Klopp kinda football. Especially in Bundesliga.
The high pressing, quick turnovers, capitalizing on mistakes..
But you won't see me claiming Klopp invented that.

kendrick9:
Lol...no one is going to learn sh!t from Pep apart from his assistants.
Pep didn't invent any pattern, all he did was make little iterations from the Johan Cruyff's, Marcelo Biesla's in addition with having an open cheque book.

raumdeuter:


How many EPL managers were playing this style of Bielsa and Cryuff before Pep? If I say someone introduced rice to Nigeria does that mean he must be the one who discovered rice globally?

raumdeuter:


Thats because many people have been playing that style before Klopp in Bundesliga.

Who has been playing that style in England before now

Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Glenn Hoddle and Joleon Lescott have heaped praise on Pep Guardiola, who they all believe has pioneered a transformation in English football

raumdeuter:


Go and ask all these people who know more about English football than you

Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Glenn Hoddle and Joleon Lescott have heaped praise on Pep Guardiola, who they all believe has pioneered a transformation in English footbal

kendrick9:
Was Aresen Wenger not playing good football?
Pellegrini, Felipe Scolari, Mancini at City...etc
All played very attractive football.
Teams have always played good football pre and post Pep and there's nothing new about that

kendrick9:

But Klopp made it more popular and now there's loads of sides playing that way.
How many teams in EPL play Pep's football?

kendrick9:

I really wouldn't be listening to what Rio and Joe are saying..
They are shown not be the brightest minds in the game post retirement