Extremists among the Zealots turned to terrorism and assassination and became known as Sicarii (Greek sikarioi, “dagger men”). They frequented public places with hidden daggers to strike down persons friendly to the Roman empire occupying Israel 2000 years ago https://www.britannica.com/topic/Zealot . The Roman empire then realised it was the Torah which was then like the Koran fuelling the Zealots attacks on the Roman occupation of Isreal. War at that time was by numbers and as the Romans outnumbered the Jews, the Romans were able to destroy the Temple in Jerusalem and then took away the original Torah from the Temple with all other copies of the Torah that were in Israel and Egypt burnt.

Then after 150 years which is about the third generation of the Jews the Roman empire gave the Jews a toned down version of their Torah which will not make them to be resistance anymore.

About 600 years later Mohammed must have found some old copies of old Torah that were not destroyed which he doctored and became the Koran.

If the Roman empire had gone further into the Middle East there would have been no Koran today.

This is a good history lesson no one has ever told you.

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MindHacker9009:
Then after 150 years which was about the third generation of the Jews the Roman empire gave the Jews a toned down version of their Torah which will not make them militants anymore. About 600 years later Mohammed found some old copies of original Torah which he was able to modified and became the Koran. This is a good history lesson no one has ever told you.

You have never in fact read the Torah nor the Quran, have you?

Kobojunkie:
You have never in fact read the Torah nor the Quran, have you?

I read offical history instead and then put two and two together.

MindHacker9009:
■ I read offical history instead and then put two and two together.

Let me get this straight! So, those who wrote this "official" history were in fact ignorant of the contents of the Torah and the Quran combined, and as such they are to be blamed for your own ignorance since you only read what they wrote in their "official" log? Even though the ignorance is clearly yours, it is really not yours. Is that it?

Kobojunkie:
Let me get this straight! So, those who wrote this "official" history were in fact ignorant of the contents of the Torah and the Quran combined, and as such they are to be blamed for your Kobojunkie ignorance since you only read what they wrote in their "official" log? Even though Kobojunkie ignorance is clearly his, it is really not yours. Is that it?

You are the one very ignorant, if not you will do a research on the Severus scroll given to the Jews 150 years after the original Torah was taken from the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.

MindHacker9009:
■ You are the one very ignorant, if not you will do a research on the Severus scroll given to the Jews 150 years after the original Torah was taken from the Temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.

So, this Severus scroll is the "official" history from which you get your claim that the contents of the Torah and the Quran are the same?

HAMAS IS MODERN DAY WICKED TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN AND BOKOHARAM IN NIGERIA. FULANI HERDSMEN ARE TERRORISTS AND BUHARI IS BEHIND THEM BY CHRISTANA AMANPOUR CNN. OBAMA SET HIM UP TO DESTROY NIGERIA BUT THANKS TO GOD.

So this justifies evil

Kobojunkie:
Let me get this straight! So, those who wrote this "official" history were in fact ignorant of the contents of the Torah and the Quran combined, and as such they are to be blamed for your own ignorance since you only read what they wrote in their "official" log? Even though the ignorance is clearly yours, it is really not yours. Is that it?

Gbas! gbos!! gbosa!!!

Kobojunkie:
So, this Severus scroll is the "official" history from which you get your claim that the contents of the Torah and the Quran are the same?

Did you read my original post at all?

Blitzerz:
So this justifies evil

Jesus warned the Jews but only few among the people believed him!

Blitzerz:
So this justifies evil

No it shows how the Roman empire stopped militancy 2000 years ago. If the Jews still have their original Toral today Hamas will not try any nonsense with the Jews.

MindHacker9009:

No it shows how the Roman empire stopped militancy 2000 years ago. If the Jews still have their original Toral today Hamas will not try any nonsense with the Jews.

They had their hopeless Torah when the Romans destroyed them and their city in the first century!

MaxInDHouse:

They had their hopeless Torah when the Romans destroyed them and their city in the first century!

Yet from the same Torah you mentioned the Roman empire were able to use it to invent jesus christ you are following today, without you knowing you are following an invented jesus christ.

MindHacker9009:

Yet from the same hopeless Torah you mentioned the Roman empire were able to use it to invent jesus christ you are following today, without you knowing you are following an invented jesus christ.

So why say the Torah can protect them when you know it never protected them in the first century?

Jesus Christ tried to save the Jews but they did not welcome his life saving counsel {Matthew 23:27-38} God has said that seven times of the nations will pass before the Jews as a nation can enjoy peace and security under God's chosen King or Messiah. Jesus told the Jews that the seven times God gave the nations to rule over the entire planet has not been completed so any revolt against the current world power will lead to destruction of Jerusalem and annihilation of the Jews. Luke 21:24
Instead of planning a revolt Jesus gave them a wonderful work to do which is taking the message of peace to all the nations {Matthew 28:19-20 compare to Act 1:8} because all power to do and undo regarding the earth and heaven has been given to Jesus at that time {Matthew 28:18} he must wait till the appointed time of the nations is fulfilled when his father will tell him to start acting {Psalms 110:1-2} before then his people (Jews) are to take the Good News of God's kingdom under Christ the anointed King to all the nations {Matthew 24:14} so by the time Jesus Christ start to rule as king over the entire planet anyone who rebel against his orders which he sent his disciples to teach before his arrival will be exterminated! Luke 19:27
So it's because they failed to believe in Jesus Christ that their nation was cursed {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38} and the blessing was transferred to another nation worthy of the priesthood today!

MaxInDHouse:

So why say the Torah can protect them when you know it never protected them in the first century?

I never used the word protect. They were out-numbered by the Roman empire at that time, but even so the Roman empire knew they had met their match as the Romans had never had some of the kinds of an entire legion been destroyed by the Jews then.

And later on the same Rome was destroyed by the Barbarians like the Roman empire destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70. Shows the Torah can fight back.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus Christ tried to save the Jews but they did not welcome his life saving counsel {Matthew 23:27-38} God has said that seven times of the nations will pass before the Jews as a nation can enjoy peace and security under God's chosen King or Messiah {Daniel}

The Book of Daniel has nothing to do with your invented jesus christ.

MindHacker9009:

I never used the word protect. They were out-numbered by the Roman empire at that time, but even so the Roman empire knew they had

You sabi lie Sha!

During the reign of Hezekiah when the Jewish King fully trusted in Jehovah with the Torah in their temple he prayed to Jehovah for protection against 185,000 soldiers of Assyrian King Sennacherib and in one night a single angel came down and took away the lives of all the armies of Assyria! 2Kings 19:35

But why did God abandon them in the first century?

Because they have been cursed for calling down evil upon their own heads:

At that all the (Jews) said in answer: “Let (Jesus') blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25

Ever since that time God has condemned that nation so it's only those believing in Jesus Christ of Nazareth that will be protected. John 1:11-12

Do you know why they are being attacked today?

Well it's because their senators made a move against Jehovah's Witnesses who are preaching zealously and industriously teaching about Jesus of Nazareth among them.
I said it some time ago on this very forum that the nation of Israel is calling for trouble again because that was what led to their destruction in the first century so their move to stop Jehovah's Witnesses from preaching and teaching is like touching the eyes of the true God:

For this is what Jehovah of armies says, who after being glorified has sent me to the nations that were plundering you:
"Whoever touches you touches the pupil of my eye" Zechariah 2:8

Ọmọ that's why no nation no matter how much weapons they acquire can fight America the nation that gave God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) the power to preach and teach freely by establishing FREEDOM of SPEECH EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION.

Otherwise even you who is claiming Judaism today can't do so under the control of Orthodox Churches who were oppressing all other religions back then.

The Muslims today who are fighting as if they had the balls back then were suppressed by the orthodox churches because they will never tolerate any doctrine against their TRINITY.

So it's because America promoted FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION that's why you are blabbing here today!

MaxInDHouse:

You sabi lie Sha!

During the reign of Hezekiah when the Jewish King fully trusted in Jehovah with the Torah in their temple he prayed to Jehovah for protection against 185,000 soldiers of Assyrian King Sennacherib and in one night a single angel came down and took away the lives of all the armies of Assyria! 2Kings 19:35

But why did God abandon them in the first century?

Because they have been cursed for calling down evil upon their own heads:

It's you who is a lier.

So how did Babylon captured Jerusalem and destroyed the first Temple which was the real Temple and not the fake second temple, then the Greeks before the Romans you now claim was because of your invented jesus christ the Romans captured Jerusalem and destroyed the fake second temple your invented jesus christ called his father's house.

MindHacker9009:

It's you who is a lier.
So how did Babylon captured Jerusalem and destroyed the first Temple.

Because Hezekiah and all other Jewish Kings who were faithful to the prophecies written in God's word had died and the Jews were practicing false religions. Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah cried but the Jews didn't listen to them, in fact they tried to kill Jeremiah for telling them the truth.

That's why JEHOVAH allowed Nebuchadnezzar to capture the city and took them all away into slavery in Babylon!

You and your organisation should go from house to house in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan if you truly believe in your invented jesus christ.

Your organisation is enjoying the Western World due to the Jews being scattered to these places and other parts of the world following the Western system.

God allowed many Jews to to be forced out of Israel 2000 years ago so that they could be a light to the world as the Jews did not want to go out to the rest of the world with the word of God and they were enjoying it alone in Israel. When God told Jonah to go and teach the Torah in Nineveh, but Jonah refused and God had to force Jonah out of his comfort zone to go to Nenaveh. Same thing God did with the Jews 2000 years ago.  

MaxInDHouse:

But why did God abandon them in the first century?

Because they have been cursed for calling down evil upon their own heads:

At that all the (Jews) said in answer: “Let (Jesus') blood come upon us and upon our children.” Matthew 27:25

Ever since that time God has condemned that nation so it's only those believing in Jesus Christ of Nazareth that will be protected. John 1:11-12

Do you know why they are being attacked today?

Well it's because their senators made a move against Jehovah's Witnesses who are preaching zealously and industriously teaching about Jesus of Nazareth among them.
I said it some time ago on this very forum that the nation of Israel is calling for trouble again because that was what led to their destruction in the first century so their move to stop Jehovah's Witnesses from preaching and teaching is like touching the eyes of the true God:

For this is what Jehovah of armies says, who after being glorified has sent me to the nations that were plundering you:
"Whoever touches you touches the pupil of my eye" Zechariah 2:8

Ọmọ that's why no nation no matter how much weapons they acquire can fight America the nation that gave God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) the power to preach and teach freely by establishing FREEDOM of SPEECH EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION.

Otherwise even you who is claiming Judaism today can't do so under the control of Orthodox Churches who were oppressing all other religions back then.

The Muslims today who are fighting as if they had the balls back then were suppressed by the orthodox churches because they will never tolerate any doctrine against their TRINITY.

So it's because America promoted FREEDOM of SPEECH, EXPRESSION, WORSHIP and ASSOCIATION that's why you are blabbing here today!

MindHacker9009:

You and your organisation should go from house to house in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Afghanistan if you truly believe in your invented jesus christ.

Ọmọ my brothers and sisters are there preaching and teaching informally.
In the first century when the Jews were against Christianity how do you think our brothers were preaching back then?
Well they stopped moving from house to house {Luke 10:7} since their rulers have issued a warrant to arrest all Christians as criminals {Act 5:28} so it's when those in authority gives us freedom of preach that we do move from house to house!

MindHacker9009:

Your organisation is enjoying the Western World due to the Jews being scattered to these places and other parts of the world following the Western system.

NO! The Jews don't want Christianity so they've always kicked against Jesus and his teachings.

MindHacker9009:

God allowed many Jews to to be forced out of Israel 2000 years ago so that they could be a light to the world as the Jews did not want to go out to the rest of the world with the word of God and they were enjoying it alone in Israel. When God told Jonah to go and teach the Torah in Nineveh, but Jonah refused and God had to force Jonah out of his comfort zone to go to Nenaveh. Same thing God did with the Jews 2000 years ago.

NO! They were massacred and only escapees that scattered throughout all the nations just as Jesus foretold {Luke 11:23} that's why their Torah means nothing to the world.
But the Christians moved with a mission to preach and teach the world what Christ Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} that's why the New Testament became popular and the Jewish Torah became useless only for them to continue reading it among themselves till today.
In Nigeria today we have about 380,000 JWs who are baptized, preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout Nigeria can you tell me where to find your Judaists here in Nigeria?
Well they can't even operate because the spirit of Jehovah is not with them {Act 1:8} and nobody sent them to go and preach to anyone.

But i dare you to quote anywhere in their scriptures where their God ordered them to start preaching apart from Jesus Christ who was given all authority both in heaven and on the earth! Matthew 28:18

Do you know the one and only friend of our God among all those that have ever ruled Nigeria?
Well it's none other than General Ibrahim Badamosi Babangida!
That's the one and only Nigerian ruler who was never ousted but stepped aside all by himself because the people wanted him to leave Aso rock.
There has never been any ruler in Nigeria like that man. They are either Killed, ousted through coup or voted out of power only IBB stepped aside and handed over power to a neutral person!

But how come a Muslim became Jehovah's friend?

Well it's a long story but i will try to be as brief as possible.

My own father was an Awoist that's the name the youths back in the early 1940s gave themselves as disciples of Awolowo.
My father hated JWs with passion but he could do nothing against God's organization in Nigeria so he spoke to his friend Lateef Kayode Jakande in 1983 about a religious group that doesn't participate in anything having to do with government. So his friend the then governor of Lagos state passed a bill to the Lagos senators to see what they can do about Jehovah's Witnesses.
There's no law that says people must vote by force neither is there any law that says people must join the army but they later discovered that JWs don't recite the national anthem so they started planning to deal with God's people regarding that.
Well JEHOVAH steered up the army and that was the end of Jakande and his senators.
But then Buhari and Idiagbon took over and they discovered that out of all the governors of the 19 states in Nigeria the Lagos state governor was the best so they started looking into his manifesto and they found the bill that was to be passed against Jehovah's Witnesses regarding national anthem so they picked it up from there and for more than 15 months God's people in Nigeria were terribly worried over the matter because many were sent out of school and most civil servants were sacked.
Who came to the rescue of God's people?
It was Ibrahim Badamosi Babangida who ousted that dictatorship in 1995 and God's people once again began enjoying freedom.

Secondly some Muslims made a move against Christianity so they thought Babangida will support their move, they formed a militant group headed by one matasine but within two weeks IBB sent the Nigerian soldiers to destroy that man and that ends the move so with this two cases Jehovah love IBB so much that out of all those who have ruled Nigeria only Ibrahim Badamosi Babangida left office without being voted out, coup or killed!

MindHacker9009:
■ Did you read my original post at all?

Lol... oh so after modifying the Op, you think the portion I captured is no longer valid? Na fraud dem dey call that one.

Kobojunkie:
Lol... oh so after modifying the Op, you think the portion I captured is no longer valid? Na fraud dem dey call that one.

I have only added this to my OP [If the Roman empire had gone further into the Middle East there would have been no Koran today.]
and I changed the Subject for more clarity.

You are the one that is a fraud as you avoided the first paragraph of my OP.

The Jews cannot be deceived as they know your invented jesus christ is not real and was invented by the Roman empire. The God of the Jews does not mate with another man's wife like your invented god that mated with Mary another man's wife.

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ my brothers and sisters are there preaching and teaching informally.
In the first century when the Jews were against Christianity how do you think our brothers were preaching back then?
Well they stopped moving from house to house {Luke 10:7} since their rulers have issued a warrant to arrest all Christians as criminals {Act 5:28} so it's when those in authority gives us freedom of preach that we do move from house to house!

NO! The Jews don't want Christianity so they've always kicked against Jesus and his teachings.

NO! They were massacred and only escapees that scattered throughout all the nations just as Jesus foretold {Luke 11:23} that's why their Torah means nothing to the world.
But the Christians moved with a mission to preach and teach the world what Christ Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} that's why the New Testament became popular and the Jewish Torah became useless only for them to continue reading it among themselves till today.
In Nigeria today we have about 380,000 JWs who are baptized, preaching zealously and industriously teaching throughout Nigeria can you tell me where to find your Judaists here in Nigeria?
Well they can't even operate because the spirit of Jehovah is not with them {Act 1:8} and nobody sent them to go and preach to anyone.

But i dare you to quote anywhere in their scriptures where their God ordered them to start preaching apart from Jesus Christ who was given all authority both in heaven and on the earth! Matthew 28:18

MindHacker9009:
■ I have only added this to my OP [If the Roman empire had gone further into the Middle East there would have been no Koran today.] and I changed the Subject for more clarity.
You are the one that is a fraud as you avoided the first paragraph of my OP.

1. Changed the subject for clarity or to divert from your original claim? Never-mind the fact that the Jewish population was greatly diminished after the clash with the Romans-- over 2/3rd of the population were either killed or dispersed abroad after the campaign was over, you want to now spin a tale of how the romans somehow modified the torah and all became well....a fraudulent attempt at rewriting history!

2. A fraud for avoiding what is a mere opinion of yours which you pretend should be more than just that?

MaxInDHouse:


Because Hezekiah and all other Jewish Kings who were faithful to the prophecies written in God's word had died and the Jews were practicing false religions. Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah cried but the Jews didn't listen to them, in fact they tried to kill Jeremiah for telling them the truth.

That's why JEHOVAH allowed Nebuchadnezzar to capture the city and took them all away into slavery in Babylon!

Jeremiah was prophesying for Nebuchadnezzar..
...
Nebuchadnezzar was Gods(Marduk) anointed servant. so He asked him to bring everybody to Babylon, so that they would learn about him. it was when they departed Babylon, that king CYRUS asked Ezra and probably Nehemiah to write the TORAH from the Babylonian myths and legend, which they adapted for their people. He was asked to take it along and teach his people....this was how Judaism was created....


that's why there is so much in common with the Babylonian religion...


when the romans needed stories for their invented jesus character, they still went to Babylon, as the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.jesus would be Marduk. BUT HE was never a man .....

MindHacker9009:
The Jews cannot be deceived as they know your invented jesus christ is not real and was invented by the Roman empire. The God of the Jews does not mate with another man's wife like your invented god that mated with Mary another man's wife.

Guy, you keep deflecting from the point raised!

MaxInDHouse:

Quote anywhere in their scriptures where their God ordered them to start preaching apart from Jesus Christ who was given all authority both in heaven and on the earth! Matthew 28:18

I said the Jews can't reach all the nations with their stupid, hopeless, useless and worthless Torah because it's not written anywhere in their scriptures that they're to go and preach to other nations except Jesus of Nazareth who was given all the power to impact the spirit of God in his disciples who are doing so globally today.
So leave the dead argument regarding the birth of Jesus Christ and answer me, where is it written in the scriptures that God commanded the Jews to go and preach Torah in other nations?

22jumpstreet1:

Jeremiah was prophesying for Nebuchadnezzar..
...
Nebuchadnezzar was Gods(Marduk) anointed servant. so He asked him to bring everybody to Babylon, so that they would learn about him. it was when they departed Babylon, that king CYRUS asked Ezra and probably Nehemiah to write the TORAH from the Babylonian myths and legend, which they adapted for their people. He was asked to take it along and teach his people....this was how Judaism was created....


that's why there is so much in common with the Babylonian religion...


when the romans needed stories for their invented jesus character, they still went to Babylon, as the gospel stories comes from ancient tales about Marduk.jesus would be Marduk. BUT HE was never a man .....

Guy, you really really Bleep up!

Is this what you call knowledge?

Well Torah simply means the five books of Moses!

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, you keep deflecting from the point raised!



I said the Jews can't reach all the nations with their stupid, hopeless, useless and worthless Torah because it's not written anywhere in their scriptures that they're to go and preach to other nations except Jesus of Nazareth who was given all the power to impact the spirit of God in his disciples who are doing so globally today.
So leave the dead argument regarding the birth of Jesus Christ and answer me, where is it written in the scriptures that God commanded the Jews to go and preach Torah in other nations?

Yet your invented jesus christ was prophesied about in that your fake torah and where was it prophesied in your fake torah that your invented jesus christ will take your fake gospel to the whole world? Even your invented jesus christ told his disciples not to go to the gentiles.

Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.