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Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 3:50pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
mrvitalis: What is this based on? It is just your opinion Most of what we import we can produce Whether we need to export more or not must have some empirical basis Exporting more is not a virtue no matter how emotionally right it sounds What is need is data and analysis What do we import and how much do we spend on that? That is the starting point Analysis not visceral reaction Currently our top import is refined petroleum products 40% In that regard we need to import less or nothing |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 3:57pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
My humble advice Spend about 30 minutes to research this subject before commenting It is not compulsory to talk about things you have no knowledge of |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by 2braithe: 3:59pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Wealthoptulent:It happened at Ibadan? |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by mrvitalis(m): 4:05pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Gajagojo:Firstly my argument is based on the Theory of comparative advantage you can look it up The theory in simple terms is you can't produce everything at the same efficiency, so focus on the things you can produce efficiently produce more than you need as much as you can... Because you are efficient you can sale them for a good profit and still be competitive Then use the earnings to buy those things you can't produce efficiently Being able to produce something is different, being able to produce something competitively is another thing |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 4:15pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
mrvitalis:Your claim was not based on theory of comparative advantage That is an afterthought You just think we should export more without saying what we should export If it was based on that theory then we should not be spending 40 %. of our import spending on refined petroleum products The USA is the richest country in the world with the highest GDP Yet since 1976 it has run a trade deficit So having a trade surplus is not necessarily the endgame of a virtue The key INTERNAL TRADE WITHIN NIGERIA It is clear your understanding of the issues is limited Nigeria does not have the industrial capacity to produce anything with significant value added and that cannot change overnight What we can and should do is first stop importing regimes petroleum Start producing things we consume thereby boosting internal trade e.g How much internal trade is there in Nigeria between SE and SS or SE and WE We. do need to IMPORT LESS We need to encourage more DOMESTIC TRADE WITHIN NIGERIA |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by mrvitalis(m): 4:33pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Gajagojo: Firstly If you know here I have always preached theory of comparative advantage Using has a trade deficit and can survive that's on the surface their biggest export is the dollar bill My argument is Nigeria should stop focusing on what we import because if we can produce them cheaper locally we would already be doing it... Focuse on those things we can produce cheaper locally and export them Local trade would not add to the economy of the country... Would only at best distribute wealth unless it's import substitution Let me break this down The economy is like a jar fill with water that has two holes... One for water to come in and one for water to go out Volume of water is the economy, water inlet in export, water outlet is import The only ways to grow an economy is to block leakage, increase the volume of water coming in our a combination of both |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by nairamaniac: 4:49pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Wealthoptulent: They would had stolen his brainbox at any other place. Probably the car wasnt secured enough. Which would have been the case anywhere else. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Aguilar(m): 5:25pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Nigeria is too underdeveloped to produce it's own fuel. They'll say it's too hard and costly to farment farm produce that contain starch, cellulose and glucose. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 6:02pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
mrvitalis: Too much talk We need to produce more of what we consume in the immediate term Yes we are not going to start production of cars overnight but we can produce petrol,food,furniture and clothes. That should be our priority |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by 2braithe: 6:09pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Wealthoptulent: I know someone with a similar story too in Ibadan. Corolla car, parked in front of school, similar cost of repair, same city. His car is a red car. Funny enough, it could be him. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 6:25pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Aguilar:can you translate? |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Discountsempai: 6:48pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Brazil does it |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Jamie1000: 7:17pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
So that garri will now be more expensive than petrol. Lol |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by juman(m): 7:23pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
They are mad. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Aguilar(m): 7:55pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Gajagojo:ethanol is extracted from farm produce that contain starch, cellulose and glucose. Brazil today makes use of biofuel and they extract ethanol from corn. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 7:59pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Aguilar: You have a problem with language and communication You did not mention Brazil before and you are not telling me anything I don't already know The point is your original statement is incomprehensible. It sounds like gibberish People cannot read your mind |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by optimusprime2(m): 8:07pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Not for all engines o |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by todugo(m): 8:14pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
maticar:Or even cause car explosion😂😂 |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by flokii: 8:19pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
I am aware of the fuel-ethanol mix.. it's referred to as E5 or E10 depending on the volume. NNPC was serious about the thing back then, dunno about now. The thing with this technology is that it will make ethanol demand to rise and will cause demand for cassava, starch etc. used for ethanol production to rise too. This of course is dangerous for those consuming cassava and starch for food and likewise dangerous for those producing spirit drinks and other alcohol-based drinks from ethanol. It's a tricky something if you don't have in-depth understanding of the whole thing. You can't be channeling ethanol for drinks and food crops like cassava into fuel blending without having a backup plan incase of food shortage. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Jughead29: 9:00pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
During my project as a biochemist, i produced ethanol from cassava, a large cassava could only produce about 5ml ethanol.... So how do you think food scarcity will become if your idea is implemented?? |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by oyatz(m): 1:40am On Oct 22, 2023 |
mrvitalis: You are shifting the goal post. The issue is can Nigeria produce adequate ethanol for blending with petrol, if it becomes a DPR policy? The answer is CAPITAL Yes. It is not whether Nigeria is currently producing large quantities or if if local productions in Nigeria is currently cheaper than importation from Brazil or Cuba. If there are enough incentives, including steady markets, Nigeria can produce adequate ethanol for the blending of petrol (depending on preferred percentages) Every discussion need not revolve round APC Vs Obidients narratives. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Aguilar(m): 2:09am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Gajagojo:I guess we're not on the same wavelength. If only you read. Let me explain better to you: biofuel is an alternative to fuel from crude oil, Brazil today makes use of biofuel. What is biofuel? Biofuel is a fuel that is produced from plant material. Ethanol is obtained from plant material(potatoes,maize,wood) that contain starch, cellulose and glucose. The kind of plant material Brazil use frequently is corn. The process of obtaining ethanol from plant material is fermentation in the absence of air, in the absence of oxygen fungi(yeast) appears on plant material and acts as enzymes. Ethanol is separated from the final mixture by fractional distillation. The process is very costly. But developed countries prefer it because the energy from that fuel is cleaner than fuel from crude oil. It is cleaner because the carbon from automobiles that uses the fuel doesn't go that far to the atmosphere, instead it goes back to the plants to produce more of themselves And very soon car manufacturers would stop producing carbon emitted cars to reduce the emission of carbon in the Atmosphere. The rate of carbon in air was formerly 0.03% but it is now 0.04%. which is very bad. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 2:24am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Aguilar: Your explanation is unnecessary I did not talk to you about biofuel AT ALL I spoke about your communication If you talk to yourself you are not communicating so you need to improve your English All the details about yeast and corn are totally irrelevant to the message on effective communication The post I quoted was gibberish That was the point As far as biofuel is concerned don't assume you know more than anyone on Nairaland That would be foolish and arrogant Again you display your poor reading and comprehension by talking about something tangential to what I raised What does this quote mean in simple English Aguilar: |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Aguilar(m): 2:57am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Gajagojo:you'll say you don't understand. I don't even think you know the meaning of the words Gibberish, Reading and Comprehension. Gibberish is what dumdums like you say when they find it hard to understand something. If you don't understand what I just explained about ethanol and biofuel then you are a certified dummy. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 3:07am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Aguilar: Your explanation is unnecessary Your insistence on giving it suggests autism What does this sentence mean?? Aguilar: It is gibberish meaningful only inside your head That is the point not the nonsense you are now typing about cellulose How is Nigeria too underdeveloped to produce it's own fuel? How does that now relate to cellulose You are only communicating with yourself |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Aguilar(m): 3:36am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Gajagojo:which one is how does that relate to cellulose? If only you've been listening to what I've been saying since. You are a very funny interesting subject. So cellulose is what brought about your conclusion of gibberish, reading, comprehension and some other crap about me that I can't remember. There are cellulose in some plant materials from which ethanol can be obtained from. Do you even know the meaning of these words of yours: translate, autism, reading, comprehension, gibberish? You don't even know when to use them. It's normal to hate what you don't understand, I get it. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by mrvitalis(m): 6:14am On Oct 22, 2023 |
oyatz:Nigeria is as of today a net importer of ethanol |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by hefelove(m): 7:29am On Oct 22, 2023 |
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Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by kolawolemonsuru: 7:42am On Oct 22, 2023 |
YOU ARE A BIG OLODO... Now that the petrol is is now 750, so minus 49 means we are still in deep shit. [/quote] |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Imun(m): 8:11am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Did people want make ethanol price go up |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by daylay7(m): 8:17am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Ethanol per liter is more expensive to petrol. SO I don't understand the blending o. |
Re: Blending Petrol With Ethanol Will Save N49 – Marketers by Gajagojo: 11:14am On Oct 22, 2023 |
Aguilar:Who are you and why should I listen to what you are saying My point is that your English language use and communication Is bad You talk like a person with autism Aguilar: That is the problematic post What does it mean? |
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