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Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Cantonese: 7:08pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Absolutely meaningless. HNDs are issued by Polytechnics while BSCs are issued by universities. If you complete your education in either of them, then you pick your certificate from that particular institution accordingly. Polytechnics are different from universities, short and simple. This baseless and meaningless argument or plan, if well investigated must find its origin in the mind of a very greedy individual, who wanted to satisfy his greedy and corruption filled heart. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a HND. The dichotomy only arises from the thoughts of people, that those with that HNDs are unemployable. If our politicians possess HNDs, there will be no basis for certificate cases in courts. And by the way, what is the assurance that a BSC holder can perform better than an HND holder? Nowadays university students largely sort themselves, while they junket the country enjoying themselves. Too many BSC holders cannot defend their qualifications. This matter should not have arisen in the first place, and should be laid to rest. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by StOla: 7:08pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
We are not ready to be serious. Both HND and Bachelor's Degree need a serious overhaul. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by advanceDNA: 7:18pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
damosade: HD holders are the one making themselves feel inferior... Both certificates are not the same..... ...I don't understand why diploma holders want to be seen degree holders without going to a university ... 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by 12inchess: 7:19pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Truth be told. HND is like Associate Degree in the U.S and universities have been demarketing such programs for a long time even abroad.However, let's be frank the bar of entry into both is different. Hence one will certainly be more valued than the other. If there were plentiful jobs in Nigeria we won't be having this mumu discussions anyway. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by lakefist(m): 7:24pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG: Both certificates no get value! Na Rubbish! |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by dododawa1: 7:24pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
OBIDENTs and ATIKU MATTER don rest NA HND and BSC On FLOOR. NIGERIA youth and USELESS arguments. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Datedoboy: 7:26pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Uk that colonized us, has conversation and top up programs from hnd to BSC but oversabi Nigeria with outdated curriculum says you should start your BSC journey afresh. Even if you top-up here some companies will loathe you. HND is like a stigma in the eyes of many organizations here. If ur cut off no reach prepare for another year. BSC or Hnd doesn't determine intelligence but in the eyes of myopic organizations, it does. If you are reading this and a Nigerian pls I'm on my knees. Boycott polytechnics. Don't advice your enemy to enter 4 walls of polytechnics a.k.a time wasting ground Once you gain admission, you are seen as a second class citizen. If all prospective student have my mindset, all polytechnics will be empty and they will be forced to offer degree programs. You can't be spoiling the lives of others by offering ond, hnd and pgd wen u only need BSC and Msc to be a top pick with bigger salary in many organizations. I warned my younger bro even though he got distinction in his ond. He left and now he has his BSC. 6 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by arinzos(m): 7:35pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Make I go find my HND and top it up to MBBS degree ![]() ![]() 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by sageb: 7:37pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG: I knew that NUC will kick against the NBTE program. |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by thatigboman: 7:41pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Babastrong:does JAMB have a pass mark? |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by MadamExcellency: 7:42pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
A Technical school craftsman is better than a University Engineer in an Oil company. That is the experience of 85% of Expatriates. Why should HND convert to a Bachelor of Engineering? 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by delishpot: 7:45pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
It all started with disparity in promotions and salary scale between Poly and Uni graduates. 2 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by parkervero(m): 7:47pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
12inchess: Your cerebral cortex needs panel beating, seriously. In the US that you mentioned there do you know the number of HND holders that gained admission for their masters degree directly without PGD? Associate degree is like OND. If you combined OND + HND is far above BSc in unit or credit especially if you have upper credit or distinction. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Babastrong(m): 7:48pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
[quote author=thatigboman post=126632949]does JAMB have a pass mark?[it
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Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by parkervero(m): 7:51pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
MadamExcellency: ... because the society has placed embargo on the certificate. If you go to mushroom university and graduate you are considered above people that schooled in polytechnic even you suck in your discipline. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by babakb: 7:59pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
advanceDNA: Oga there's Top Up degree are recognized everywhere in the world. Do you know the barriers that HND poses to it's holders?? |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by babakb: 8:02pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
MadamExcellency: Is it your conversion ![]() ![]() ![]() Let HND holders convert to BSc in peace ✌️✌️ |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Deepthoughts: 8:05pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG:This editorial was written as if the writters are not Nigerians,who in Nigeria is not aware of the descriminations holders of HND faces in the country,,since the emphasis is on degree,there is nothing absurd about the nbte trying to find a way out for the HND certificate holders,their efforts is very commendable, finally the polytechnics should all be converted to colleges and be given the power to award first degrees only,there should be a single entry requirement for all colleges and universities simple. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Yampotatocarrot(m): 8:05pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
LeoDeKing: Your second paragraph is where the MAIN ISSUE is... Polytechnics offer a lot of courses that in the right sense they shouldn't be offering... Funny thing is, it is those courses that have the highest number of enrolments... During my service year, a course like Mass communication, in Nasarawa state polytechnic had up to 500 students, both those that come to class and those that'll NEVER set foot in class till they get their certificate Although, same can be said about some universities of technology, University of agriculture and University of education offering some courses just to get more students 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by OLULAW: 8:09pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
CJStarz: There is no where in the world where parity exists between HND and BA/BSc. They're two different programmes with different learning outcomes. If you cannot be admitted to a university and you went to Poly to gain ND/HND, to gain a unuverdity degree in the same subject, you'll have to undertake prescribed number of units before being awarded the degree. This is what overseas universities call top up. But you simply cannot convert HND to BA/BSc, it's not a currency. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Yampotatocarrot(m): 8:11pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
dominique: Problem here is, some schools don't accept HND for their postgraduate programmes... I stand to be corrected, but even in UNILAG, you can't go for PG in [/b]some[b] courses with just HND... Hence the urge for conversion |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by babakb: 8:21pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
OLULAW: Conversion and Top Up means the same thing. I'm currently running a conversion program and it's 4 semesters so there's no argument here. It's like some people are not Happy that HND graduates now have a Pathway to obtain a Bachelor's Degree and enjoy the benefits that comes with it. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Myer(m): 8:38pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG:Well said and powerfully instructive points. HND holders who take their courses seriously usually fair better than BSc holders on the field because they are more grounded in the technicalities and hands-on practicals. While some BSc courses like wise afford technicalities and practical, the focus is ually more theoretical. So converting HND to BSc is actially ludicrous and asinine to say the least. To idea alone reeks of intellevctual decadence and high sense of insecurity of the minds that conceived it. But then again, this country has been upside down since the 80s and writer rightly noted. By God's Grace,Nigeria's name is changing from Ichabod to Greater Glory in Jesus name. Amen |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by OLULAW: 8:39pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
babakb: We are saying the same thing. But simply swapping HND with BA/BSc as if they're pounds and dollars is what I said isn't ideal. What you're doing matches my description. It could be called top up or conversion degree. That's not an issue for me and shouldn't be for anyone. Sadly, the editorial didnt provide enough background for anyone not familiar with the saga. |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by thatigboman: 8:56pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
[quote author=Babastrong post=126633101][/quote]it doesn't. Just have scores over 100. The universities decide the cutoff for each course |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Saao(m): 9:02pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Same people supporting a President without primary, secondary and with forged university degree are here castigating top up. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by nelsonose: 9:19pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
LeoDeKing: Discrimination against the HND is necessitating the change from HND to Degree. Would you rather chose to play a second fiddle in today's competitive world? 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by babakb: 9:24pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Myer: Please be realistic, HND Graduates have so much limitations in Nigeria, e.g HND Graduates can't become Lecturers in Nigeria even if they Obtain PGD and MSc. HND Graduates are not eligible for PTDF Scholarships and all other federal and state government scholarships for MSc studies. HND Graduates are not eligible for COREN. HND Graduates are not eligible for the various Job Seeker Visas introduced by many countries. HND Graduates don't go beyond Level 14 in Federal and State civil service. So you can see that it's not about inferiority mindset, it's about opportunities passing you buy in the Nigerian system which you can easily make right by opting for a Top Up program ![]() ![]() ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by abidragon: 9:29pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Our mindset is confused and mislead HND and BSc are all graduates. Havening HND or Bsc does not determine or success in life quick and short story HND is far better than Bsc look at china all they do is pure practical china recognize technical skul den university check the world today everything involves practical not theory in many organization HND holders are the ones doing and covering for Bsc because they lack practical so guys that mindset that u are a Bsc Holder or HND holder guys u mighty work under person or a boss that don't know how to spell his or her name Think wise and reason well |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by amadiama(m): 9:33pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Iamzik:you want to break this table.. 😂😂😂😂😂 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by longleg(m): 9:35pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
If diploma is truly for technical, mechanical and so on training, then why are degree holders jumping into diploma holders work, bossing around with a good pay than the owner of the work itself. I see sentiment. Govt should kukuma scrap diploma and make duties uniform. 2 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by amadiama(m): 9:39pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
delishpot:fact!!!!... That's the genesis of the whole thing..me myself am a hand holder in mech eng and I know the discrimination we face at work.. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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