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Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by walezy14(m): 9:44pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Nigeria Education policy makers are afraid of allowing hnd top-up to compete with bsc. Let look at it from this perspective, most ND holders routing to BSC programme in the universities perform excellently and top the class. |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Kukutente23: 9:55pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG:NBTE boss is an appointee not a civil servant. How can head of service query him |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Myer(m): 9:57pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
babakb: And the solution is to convert it? Who does that? |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by FreeStuffsNG: 10:00pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Kukutente23:Public servants can be queried sir. She may delegate it to the NTBE Board to investigate and advice her office. |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by CJStarz: 10:02pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Then top up stands. Why is the NUC kicking against it? OLULAW: 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by ebenholer2(m): 10:05pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Conversion of HND to DEGREE is one of the scams befalling Nigeria educational system cos how on heart will someone who even spent much more years to acquire a certification will still be subjected to a humiliation of converting such certification to another overhyped certification both of which are cognitive in nature with low practical knowledge. This is repeatedly calling for a total overhaul of Nigeria educational system honestly. |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Babysho(m): 10:10pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
BoboNogoDie: What if I told you I went to a Polytechnic and from the way you think, I can tell I'm more intellectually sound than you. You actually don't know what a pun means because that's CLEARLY not a pun. At least mention the schools. UI, UNILAG and maybe 10 more universities can boast of producing proper students. I've seen the videos of some University students making all sort of blunders. Just as there are 4 or 5 Polytechnics in Nigeria that produce proper students better than some universities. Yabatech, Laspotech and I've heard Ilaro and Auchi are pretty good. 2 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by advanceDNA: 10:12pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
babakb: Then go to a university and get a degree if u feel u have barriers....or u go to where diplomas are accepted into topup degrees programmes.... Not asking the government to turn ur diploma into a degree...... My brother did a top up degree to get his bachelor's biomedical science using his bachelors in medical microbiology ........ Not converting a Diploma(that's isn't a degree to begin with) into a bachelors degree...u pple and ur tinubu style of obtaining degree.. u are funny.... U didn't fulfill the requirements and the course contents of a degree but u want the degree......okay ooooo ... . Small time u will want to top up to earn MBBS..... Una well done.... Na so LGBT pple start 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by eddie7: 10:28pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
FSLC, SSCE ND or na ND.....HND or BSc MSc or even PhD kpa koa...all na vanity Israeli bombing no sabi Hama's HND or BSc holder 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by siant: 10:32pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
BoboNogoDie:So you as a uni student, you're foreign? Punch editorial is discussing something intellectual, you are saying rubbish. If you're asked to write a one page analysing the subject matter, is this what you will say? Empty brain. Shior. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by jumper524(m): 10:35pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
LeoDeKing:I think the issue is the salary status at govt office. both should be same, I think opinions differs on who's better. I attended poly bida and unibuja and I rate bida poly highly. they are both important in their own aspect but shouldn't be discriminated as per salary. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Kukutente23: 10:37pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG:The NBTE board answers to HoS abi I guess you learned this in your free public administration class abi |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Emeskhalifa(m): 10:38pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
lordchiz: Why u sef no go do PGD BOSS? Hnd and Versity and same and should never be same |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Kukutente23: 10:38pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
jumper524:BIDA poly ![]() ![]() That school is for dullards. Over 70% of their students are dull 3 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Babastrong(m): 11:03pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
[quote author=thatigboman post=126634174]it doesn't. Just have scores over 100. The universities decide the cutoff for each course[that is now. in the 90's, if you didn't score 200, you couldn't sit for post-jamb not to talk of admission] |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by BigIyanga: 11:09pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Beneficiary of status quo… We discriminate based on religion, tribe, state of origin… We discriminate based on education: Bsc vs HND… 1st gen unis vs 2nd gen unis … Fed unis vs state unis.. 1st batch corpers vs 2nd batch corpers… We too discriminate abegi 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Federalofficia(m): 11:12pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Please what the exact difference between a diploma and a degree award 3ice9ce: |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by MeineMutter: 11:19pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
It’s a way of class-forming and exploitation. HND is like school of applied sciences. Government shouldn’t have created universities of technologies, if it had wanted polytechnics to be stronger but you see people in edu ministry and those commissions, na envy and jealousy go kee dem. Na dem start the dichotomy, all in the name of segregating employees for promotion and that’s how they passed it on to generations of muntulas who like oppressions and castigation in government offices. The same way was how students started it in NYSC orientation camps in the 1980s and other places where Uni and HND graduates cross paths. 2 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by DolbyDigital: 11:21pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Went at JAMB 4 times, scores swinging from 180 to 230, but Unilorin never gave me a shot. It's one of those tough times in life. Watching peers with lesser skills make it while I was home felt like losing. I took a different path, joined Kwara Poly, and graduated with distinction. Tried direct entry into Unilorin, but they slammed the door in my face AGAIN. Even friends with Upper Credit got through. I was in a cafe, seeing parents pulling strings for their kids' post-JAMB, and it hit me – it's about WHO you know, not WHAT you know. I didn't have connections. My folks don't play politics, or lick people's asses and I got that from them. I aced my HND with Upper Credit. I joined where I did my NYSC training, got hired right away. I've got skills I'm confident of. But when I seek better opportunities, even with my certs, it feels like I've wasted life. I'm starting to feel like a charity case at work. Lose this job, and I doubt I'd find the same pay. They're all about that BSc. I feel like a charity case, and it stings. HND isn't always about not meeting entry requirements. You might not get it if you're not an HND holder. Nobody wants to be treated like a second-class citizen. The discrimination is real, and it's a mental battle. 4 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by NoSentimentNo: 11:22pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
HND is no longer relevant and should be scrapped. Polytechnics should award OND. Anyone who desires higher level of education should go to the University. However, HND topup is far from absurd. Remember many universities in Nigeria offer HND topup with full approval of their respective senate 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by Andrenalin: 11:50pm On Oct 26, 2023 |
Myer: Bro all over the world HND certificate is not a degree, it is called higher diploma. Just like a crash course to get the practical skills of attending to task. Degree is degree, Hnd holders have their own advantages and disadvantages. If u want a degree get into the university 2 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by MrCaesar: 12:06am On Oct 27, 2023 |
The problem is the dichotomy. The fact that we still have a situation where a degree certificate is rated above the HND certificate will always create preference for upgrading. We have big problem in our educational system. |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by DolbyDigital: 12:13am On Oct 27, 2023 |
Andrenalin:"It's like a crash course".. 😂 Hole your mouth right there... |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by TheArrowhead(m): 2:17am On Oct 27, 2023 |
FreeStuffsNG: Very absurd. That's how some people deleted health science as a GCE subject some years back. A senseless development because that subject exposes students to the rudiments if the medical and health sciences taught at tertiary institutions 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by awoluyi(m): 3:07am On Oct 27, 2023 |
[quote author=CJStarz post=126632036]NUC created the unwarranted disparity between Bsc and HND holders,hence the emergence of the Top up programs. No one wants to be treated as inferior or second class. They should allow HND holders breathe.[/quodte] The meeting point for poorly educated Bsc and HND graduates presently in Nigeria is at the Okada Parks. We leave important substances and chase shadows in this country. Until we commence running functional educational system, Nigeria will remain technologically backward. 2 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by stuffs2002: 3:08am On Oct 27, 2023 |
12inchess: The bolded is true |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by stuffs2002: 3:13am On Oct 27, 2023 |
babakb: HND + PGD + MSc will get COREN NB: Someone just corrected me that the PGD and MSc are no longer acceptable. I didn't go through that route as I got my own COREN with a Bachelor's degree in electrical engineering. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by stuffs2002: 3:15am On Oct 27, 2023 |
abidragon: These are the kind of stories HND guys tell themselves to console themselves. 3 Likes |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by stuffs2002: 3:17am On Oct 27, 2023 |
longleg: Degree holders are trained to boss HND guys around. 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by stuffs2002: 3:26am On Oct 27, 2023 |
walezy14: 1. The HND top up is illegal and that is what NUC is saying 2. Whoever told you that ND guys do better than regular university guys when they enter university is messing with your head. Most of them suffer what is called "academic shock" for two reasons. They find it very difficult to adapt to the new and higher standard of education 1 Like |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by lordchiz(m): 3:57am On Oct 27, 2023 |
Emeskhalifa:Abi? Can one do PGD outside this shores? And which country e easy to get it done.... Do u have any idea? |
Re: "Converting HND To Degree Is Absurd" By Punch Editorial Board by tosinet(m): 4:22am On Oct 27, 2023 |
What is the business of NUC with any student that wants to acquire Bsc through topup? They do the same top up for HND holders by offering them so called "PGD" to be able to proceed for Msc, yet the pgd does not equate HND to Bsc in the field, as you need a Bsc to be a lecturer even in a polytechnic. The only way HND holders can acquire Bsc in Nigeria is by going through jamb direct entry which is even very difficult to get where HND holder are made go through years of repetitive courses before getting Bsc. Even most of the PGD courses are repetitive as most of the courses have been done already while getting the HND certificate. Now, some foreign university are offering a different route and requirement by which any one with an HND cert can be admitted and undergo the relevant top up courses in order to get a BSC cert and suddenly the NUC seeing their game is up are waking up and saying going for top up programs is absurd. This is very hypocritical from the NUC and it shows they are intentionally subverting the HND holders as some private universities that came up with similar top up/ conversation programs were made to shut it down. You cannot put a stop to anyone that wants to further their education to be able to be on par with their colleagues in the field. 2 Likes |
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