But some how Russia can’t defend itself

It is call double standards

ken6488:
But some how Russia can’t defend itself

It is call double standards

Did anybody attack Russia that would warrant them defending themselves?

Russia invaded Ukrain who did nothing to them...!!

Floky215:


Did anybody attack Russia that would warrant them defending themselves?

Russia invaded Ukrain who did nothing to them...!!

the exact reply I was waiting for

So usa can defend their selves across the oceans, Israel can attack Gaza over Hamas, but Russia can’t?

ken6488:
the exact reply I was waiting for

So usa can defend their selves across the oceans, Israel can attack Gaza over Hamas, but Russia can’t?

Did hamas not invade Israel
And was there no strikes launched at us bases from within iraqand Syria by Iranian backed terrorists groups

ken6488:
the exact reply I was waiting for

So usa can defend their selves across the oceans, Israel can attack Gaza over Hamas, but Russia can’t?

Your hypocrisy is so glaring even the blind can see it,
How dose the USA fight against terrorism or the current war against hamas by the IDF even similar to the UKRAINE RUSSO war.
This Are two distinct conflicts.
The USA whole war in the Arab world was cause by terrorism
Osama bin Laden's and his group crossed oceans and hijacked jets and crashed them onto buildings killing over 5,000 Americans.
This brought about the war in Afghanistan
So terrorist can plot and killed over 5,000 people, from the middle East yet you don't want the USA ti defend itself.
The moment Isis started beheading USA civilians in horror videos the USA moved into Syria and Iraq.
Now let's talk about the Russia Ukraine war.
Since when did the aggressor have the right to defend itself,
Let start from the beginning ,the 2014 revolution in Ukraine which ousted the pro Russian president Yanukovych, after he suddenly refuse to sign a EU agreement for the betterment of the Ukrainian people.
Then RUSSIA openly supported serpretives,
Giving them military weapon's the Wagner group didn't just started fighting in Ukraine last year they have been fighting since 2014
It's like Ghana supporting the Biafra movement against Nigeria
Then RUSSIA sent military men to forcefully annexed Crimea, a international recognise territory of the Ukrainian federation, this happen in 2014,
In 2019 Russia were not just backing militants in Eastern Ukraine and it's mercenaries Wagner group but soldiers of the Russian military were participating in battles in Eastern Ukraine.
Fast forward to 2022 Russia launch an attack against Ukraine. And forcefully annexed over four regions.
Please bow can Russia the aggressor here in Ukraine have a right to defend itself?
You are attacking someone yet you want the attacker to still have a right of defence.
Common dude you are smarter than this

obedience4:



Your hypocrisy is so glaring even the blind can see it,
How dose the USA fight against terrorism or the current war against hamas by the IDF even similar to the UKRAINE RUSSO war.
This Are two distinct conflicts.
The USA whole war in the Arab world was cause by terrorism
Osama bin Laden's and his group crossed oceans and hijacked jets and crashed them onto buildings killing over 5,000 Americans.
This brought about the war in Afghanistan
So terrorist can plot and killed over 5,000 people, from the middle East yet you don't want the USA ti defend itself.
The moment Isis started beheading USA civilians in horror videos the USA moved into Syria and Iraq.
Now let's talk about the Russia Ukraine war.
Since when did the aggressor have the right to defend itself,
Let start from the beginning ,the 2014 revolution in Ukraine which ousted the pro Russian president Yanukovych, after he suddenly refuse to sign a EU agreement for the betterment of the Ukrainian people.
Then RUSSIA openly supported serpretives,
Giving them military weapon's the Wagner group didn't just started fighting in Ukraine last year they have been fighting since 2014
It's like Ghana supporting the Biafra movement against Nigeria
Then RUSSIA sent military men to forcefully annexed Crimea, a international recognise territory of the Ukrainian federation, this happen in 2014,
In 2019 Russia were not just backing militants in Eastern Ukraine and it's mercenaries Wagner group but soldiers of the Russian military were participating in battles in Eastern Ukraine.
Fast forward to 2022 Russia launch an attack against Ukraine. And forcefully annexed over four regions.
Please bow can Russia the aggressor here in Ukraine have a right to defend itself?
You are attacking someone yet you want the attacker to still have a right of defence.
Common dude you are smarter than this

If you believe USA is fighting terrorism? Why is it hard for you to believe Russia are fighting Nazi terrorism killing ethnic Russia, if Russia was isreal, Kyiv would have been a memory

baralatie:

Did hamas not invade Israel
And was there no strikes launched at us bases from within iraqand Syria by Iranian backed terrorists groups

did Ukraine attack ethnic Russians

ken6488:
If you believe USA is fighting terrorism? Why is it hard for you to believe Russia are fighting Nazi terrorism killing ethnic Russia, if Russia was isreal, Kyiv would have been a memory

Do you know what is Nazism
Dude I seriously don't have time for a back and forth between us..
For you to believe that the Ukrainian federation is a nazi state, means you are far beyond redemption.

Have a nice day

ken6488:
did Ukraine attack ethnic Russians

Its like saying did the Nigeria government attack igbos??
A group of people who are ethic Russians decided to to break free form the Ukrainian federation, you expect the Ukrainian government to fold it's hands and just watch??
Why do you think the Nigeria military are in a military battle with ipop militants in the East.
So you want the Nigeria government to look and allow a few igbos miscreant to destabilise an entire region because they want to from a new state ?
What do you think will happen to a a particular region of the Russian federation if they should say they are no longer part of Russia federation, you think putin will clap and and bid them farewell.
Chechenia wanted to break out of Russia, go and read about the Chechenia war,and the atrocities the Russians committed.

The USA constitution forbids succession, in fact if you read the law, it states that if any state choose to remove itself from the federation of states under the united state of America, such state should be brought back military force.

You should take your time and read about the Ukrainian revolution in 2014,
So as to get a better picture, so you don't keep writing nonsense over nairaland

Floky215:


Did anybody attack Russia that would warrant them defending themselves?

Russia invaded Ukrain who did nothing to them...!!

What is USA doing in Syria? Who invited them to Syria? Are Syrians related to USA in any way. Muppets.

Dvdpity:

What is USA doing in Syria? Who invited them to Syria? Are Syrians related to USA in any way. Muppets.

Hoe the did all troops that gathered in Syria today come to there...seems you've got short memory I'm sorry to say....!!

See, the confusing thing in this world is, if their is chaos anywhere in the world, everybody would be looking forward to the USA to intervene in one way or the other and on same vein attacking them for intervening....!!

ken6488:
did Ukraine attack ethnic Russians

it is good that you laughed at your own question

baralatie:
it is good that you laughed at your own question

you guys are just big hypocrites

obedience4:


Its like saying did the Nigeria government attack igbos??
A group of people who are ethic Russians decided to to break free form the Ukrainian federation, you expect the Ukrainian government to fold it's hands and just watch??
Why do you think the Nigeria military are in a military battle with ipop militants in the East.
So you want the Nigeria government to look and allow a few igbos miscreant to destabilise an entire region because they want to from a new state ?
What do you think will happen to a a particular region of the Russian federation if they should say they are no longer part of Russia federation, you think putin will clap and and bid them farewell.
Chechenia wanted to break out of Russia, go and read about the Chechenia war,and the atrocities the Russians committed.

The USA constitution forbids succession, in fact if you read the law, it states that if any state choose to remove itself from the federation of states under the united state of America, such state should be brought back military force.

You should take your time and read about the Ukrainian revolution in 2014,
So as to get a better picture, so you don't keep writing nonsense over nairaland

do know Russia didn’t really want Ukraine regions, it when the west started killing Russians there the attacks

Biafra comparison is the wrong one

Right comparison is if benin and Niger start killing Hausa and youruba people in mass close to our border?

Tell me will tinubu a Yoruba president watch, it tribe get massacred in benin? No

Nigeria army will intervene that exactly what is happening

ken6488:
do know Russia didn’t really want Ukraine regions, it when the west started killing Russians there the attacks

Biafra comparison is the wrong one

Right comparison is if benin and Niger start killing Hausa and youruba people in mass close to our border?

Tell me will tinubu a Yoruba president watch, it tribe get massacred in benin? No

Nigeria army will intervene that exactly what is happening

Dude what are you saying?
WTF
Remember the people we are taking about are Ukrainians who are ethic Russians
So because Nigerians or Benin republic are killing our citizens who are inside benin republi not inside nigeria ,but in the territories of the Benin republic close to the borders Nigeria, tinibu will now enter into Benin republic and forcefully annexed there territories, is that what you are trying to say,?lol
What do you think will happen to Nigerians living in the territories of Benin republic if they wake up one day and say we are being marginalise and because we are closed to the a super power Nigeria we want a separate nation, what do you think the beinn republic army will do, fold there hands?

So your point is thus ,that Russia is justified by taking people's territories because some Ukrainians who are ethic Russians are being killed.
You Are gone bro

The key of this discussion here is succession?
The reason why there was a war was That a pro Russia president was ousted and Putin sponsored a group of UKRAINIANS who were ethic Russians to raise a against there country and wanted to break out.
That is why I told you to read about the 2014 revolution in Ukraine, befor 2014 there was peace in Ukraine,
The moment pro Russian president was removed then the insurgency started in Eastern part of Ukraine,
Please for emphasis sake there was no war in Ukraine prior to 2014, no ethic Russians were being killed, the uprising after thr revolution, and the armed attacks by ethic Russians in Ukraine, and the declaration of a separate state started the conflict.
So stop painting a picture that the Ukrainian government was killing Ukrainians who were ethic Russia and the saviour Putin then came and save them because the killing was too much and he was the hero that save them.
That why I told you to read, go and Google
Prior before the 2014, revolution, Ukraine and Russia had one of the best relationship of any of the Russian formal Soviet union state.
After the revolution, Ukraine has now become a nazi state, because a pro Russian president was rightly ousted.

Victok the formal Ukraine president lives in RUSSIA today,

USA is in Iraq and Syria illegally. You cannot forcefully enter another man's compound and claim self-defence

obedience4:



Dude what are you saying?
WTF
Remember the people we are taking about are Ukrainians who are ethic Russians
So because Nigerians or Benin republic are killing our citizens who are inside benin republi not inside nigeria ,but in the territories of the Benin republic close to the borders Nigeria, tinibu will now enter into Benin republic and forcefully annexed there territories, is that what you are trying to say,?lol
What do you think will happen to Nigerians living in the territories of Benin republic if they wake up one day and say we are being marginalise and because we are closed to the a super power Nigeria we want a separate nation, what do you think the beinn republic army will do, fold there hands?

So your point is thus ,that Russia is justified by taking people's territories because some Ukrainians who are ethic Russians are being killed.
You Are gone bro

The key of this discussion here is succession?
The reason why there was a war was That a pro Russia president was ousted and Putin sponsored a group of UKRAINIANS who were ethic Russians to raise a against there country and wanted to break out.
That is why I told you to read about the 2014 revolution in Ukraine, befor 2014 there was peace in Ukraine,
The moment pro Russian president was removed then the insurgency started in Eastern part of Ukraine,
Please for emphasis sake there was no war in Ukraine prior to 2014, no ethic Russians were being killed, the uprising after thr revolution, and the armed attacks by ethic Russians in Ukraine, and the declaration of a separate state started the conflict.
So stop painting a picture that the Ukrainian government was killing Ukrainians who were ethic Russia and the saviour Putin then came and save them because the killing was too much and he was the hero that save them.
That why I told you to read, go and Google
Prior before the 2014, revolution, Ukraine and Russia had one of the best relationship of any of the Russian formal Soviet union state.
After the revolution, Ukraine has now become a nazi state, because a pro Russian president was rightly ousted.

Victok the formal Ukraine president lives in RUSSIA today,
Read and learn, stop writing. Garbage.

You are way to smart for this kind of propaganda
If it was that other guy Free st like saying did the Nigeria government attack igbos??
A group of people who are ethic Russians decided to to break free form the Ukrainian federation, you expect the Ukrainian government to fold it's hands and just watch??
Why do you think the Nigeria military are in a military battle with ipop militants in the East.
So you want the Nigeria government to look and allow a few igbos miscreant to destabilise an entire region because they want to from a new state ?
What do you think will happen to a a particular region of the Russian federation if they should say they are no longer part of Russia federation, you think putin will clap and and bid them farewell.
Chechenia wanted to break out of Russia, go and read about the Chechenia war,and the atrocities the Russians committed.

The USA constitution forbids succession, in fact if you read the law, it states that if any state choose to remove itself from the federation of states under the united state of America, such state should be brought back military force.

You should take your time and read about the Ukrainian revolution in 2014,
So as to get a better picture, so you don't keep writing nonsense over nairaland


You are way too smart for this kind of propaganda

Glad you are not Nigeria president, are you saying Nigeria will not intervene We have intervened in less cases we where in Liberia many others Nigeria will intervene

You cannot steal your own lands, those land belongs to Russia gifted to Ukraine , that country was made up of stolen lands, eg Crimea , Ukrainian greatest mistake was trying to back stab Russia


Russia will take Odessa (historically Russia city)

FoolishBoy419:
USA is in Iraq and Syria illegally. You cannot forcefully enter another man's compound and claim self-defence

What is Isis doing in Syria and Iraq?
Did Assad invited them?
What is turkey doing in Syria did Assad invited them.
What are Iranian backed proxies doing in Syria who invited them?
What are the Kurdish fighters doing in Syria who invited them?


A simple Google search will help, Google the USA military intervention against Isis in Syria and Iraq.


When Isis was in his hay days they took USA citizenry and beheaded them in live videos
Aid workers were killed,
Isis we're selling women and children
Isis was so rampant that they took 80% of Iraq, too part's of Syria, took large part's of Afghanistan, even try to invade Iran, I guess you don't know that Isis fought against Iran,
Isis was not just also formidable in the middle East, but they carried out attacks in France and Belgium, remember the attacks in France and the attack on airports in Belgium, the Manchester bombings in the UK, the Boston marraton bombing in the USA all this were the hand work of Isis,
Even boko haram had to pledge alliance with Isis
The world could not just stand and watch as a new Islamic terrorists group the Islamic state wreak havoc on the world,thus the USA and it's allies and other military groups like the Kurdish fighters, the free Syrian army fought and against Isis, that was what brought the USA and it's allies in Syria and Iraq.

ken6488:
Glad you are not Nigeria president, are you saying Nigeria will not intervene We have intervened in less cases we where in Liberia many others Nigeria will intervene

You cannot steal your own lands, those land belongs to Russia gifted to Ukraine , that country was made up of stolen lands, eg Crimea , Ukrainian greatest mistake was trying to back stab Russia


Russia will take Odessa (historically Russia city)

The case of Liberia was a African union backed military intervention,
And Nigeria led the ECOWAS charge in the military intervention,
This are two distinct military intervention.
How do you compare a peace keeping mission by African union and a military invasion by RUSSIA,


The Soviet union broke in December 26 1991
And many state were created, including Russia.
So countries like Estonia,Latvia, Lithuania like Ukraine. which are sovereign nations under international laws, but according to You RUSSIA land, because they broke up from the Soviet union,and they are a gift
Those that Make sense to you,

Because southern Cameroon was once under Nigeria, during the colonial rule, and because we have some ethnic Nigerians living there,
The Nigeria government should attack and take it back, because they according to you are rightfully ours and it was a gift

Lol

obedience4:



The case of Liberia was a African union backed military intervention,
And Nigeria led the ECOWAS charge in the military intervention,
This are two distinct military intervention.
How do you compare a peace keeping mission by African union and a military invasion by RUSSIA,


The Soviet union broke in December 26 1991
And many state were created, including Russia.
So countries like Estonia,Latvia, Lithuania like Ukraine. which are sovereign nations under international laws, but according to You RUSSIA land, because they broke up from the Soviet union,and they are a gift
Those that Make sense to you,

Because southern Cameroon was once under Nigeria, during the colonial rule, and because we have some ethnic Nigerians living there,
The Nigeria government should attack and take it back, because they according to you are rightfully ours and it was a gift

Lol

special military operations not invasion

Russia didn’t attack first

Even USA will not tolerate such in his border

ken6488:
special military operations not invasion

Russia didn’t attack first

Even USA will not tolerate such in his border

Curtains closed
Have a nice day
Was kinda nice engaging with ya

obedience4:



What is Isis doing in Syria and Iraq?
Did Assad invited them?
What is turkey doing in Syria did Assad invited them.
What are Iranian backed proxies doing in Syria who invited them?
What are the Kurdish fighters doing in Syria who invited them?


A simple Google search will help, Google the USA military intervention against Isis in Syria and Iraq.


When Isis was in his hay days they took USA citizenry and beheaded them in live videos
Aid workers were killed,
Isis we're selling women and children
Isis was so rampant that they took 80% of Iraq, too part's of Syria, took large part's of Afghanistan, even try to invade Iran, I guess you don't know that Isis fought against Iran,
Isis was not just also formidable in the middle East, but they carried out attacks in France and Belgium, remember the attacks in France and the attack on airports in Belgium, the Manchester bombings in the UK, the Boston marraton bombing in the USA all this were the hand work of Isis,
Even boko haram had to pledge alliance with Isis
The world could not just stand and watch as a new Islamic terrorists group the Islamic state wreak havoc on the world,thus the USA and it's allies and other military groups like the Kurdish fighters, the free Syrian army fought and against Isis, that was what brought the USA and it's allies in Syria and Iraq.

ISIS originally broke out of the Free Syrian Army which was actively being funded and trained by USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other gulf state with the aim of toppling Assad just like how fake rebels were sponsored against Ghaddafi. Before you call this Russian propaganda, just look it up. They themselves are not denying it.

Maybe if USA, Europe, and other Arab countries had respected their boundaries, ISIS would never have come to exist in the first place. That said, it's an open fact that USA is in Syria and Iraq to pursue its national interest otherwise they wouldn't have REPEATEDLY attacked Syrian forces. Why attack Syrian soldiers (who were actively fighting ISIS) if you are really there to fight ISIS? Why seize oil fields if you are really there to fighr ISIS? Why scream "Assad must go" if you are really there to fight ISIS? Why remain there even after the defeat of ISIS if you are really there to fight ISIS? Iran, its militias, and Russia are there with the permission of Syria's government. What part of international law gives USA the right to set up bases in lands that do not belong to them? With all the thousands of people that die in USA due to mass shootings, which country has set up a base in USA to help them combat the problem?

That said, the problem with the West which you fail to understand is that they want to do as they wish without facing consequences. Take Africa for example. Africa was very peaceful, with Libya being among the most prosperous African countries until the white guys decided they didn't like Ghaddafi. They flooded Africa with weapons to assist anti Ghaddafi "rebels," who eventually killed him and turned the country into a warzone, a source of weapons for all sorts of East and West African terrorist groups. Now with millions of Libyans, Iraqis, and victims of African terrorist groups trooping into Europe, there's definitely a good chance that some will go there with the aim of killing the white man.

I may not believe in god, but I believe that karma has a way of getting back at people even if it takes a hundred years. The Middle East was not such a chaotic place until the whites started shoving their noses there, starting from 1945 by giving European impostors (Israelis) lands, sponsoring coups in Iran, training militants in Afghanistan, waging illegal wars in Iraq, etc. With millions of muslims (and we all know that many of them are violent) migrating to Europe, the chicken will soon come home to roost.

FoolishBoy419:



ISIS originally broke out of the Free Syrian Army which was actively being funded and trained by USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other gulf state with the aim of toppling Assad just like how fake rebels were sponsored against Ghaddafi. Before you call this Russian propaganda, just look it up. They themselves are not denying it.

Maybe if USA, Europe, and other Arab countries had respected their boundaries, ISIS would never have come to exist in the first place. That said, it's an open fact that USA is in Syria and Iraq to pursue its national interest otherwise they wouldn't have REPEATEDLY attacked Syrian forces. Why attack Syrian soldiers (who were actively fighting ISIS) if you are really there to fight ISIS? Why seize oil fields if you are really there to fighr ISIS? Why scream "Assad must go" if you are really there to fight ISIS? Why remain there even after the defeat of ISIS if you are really there to fight ISIS? Iran, its militias, and Russia are there with the permission of Syria's government. What part of international law gives USA the right to set up bases in lands that do not belong to them? With all the thousands of people that die in USA due to mass shootings, which country has set up a base in USA to help them combat the problem?

That said, the problem with the West which you fail to understand is that they want to do as they wish without facing consequences. Take Africa for example. Africa was very peaceful, with Libya being among the most prosperous African countries until the white guys decided they didn't like Ghaddafi. They flooded Africa with weapons to assist anti Ghaddafi "rebels," who eventually killed him and turned the country into a warzone, a source of weapons for all sorts of East and West African terrorist groups. Now with millions of Libyans, Iraqis, and victims of African terrorist groups trooping into Europe, there's definitely a good chance that some will go there with the aim of killing the white man.

I may not believe in god, but I believe that karma has a way of getting back at people even if it takes a hundred years. The Middle East was not such a chaotic place until the whites started shoving their noses there, starting from 1945 by giving European impostors (Israelis) lands, sponsoring coups in Iran, training militants in Afghanistan, waging illegal wars in Iraq, etc. With millions of muslims (and we all know that many of them are violent) migrating to Europe, the chicken will soon come home to roost.

there is a theory hammas was created by isreal


Boko haram stili use french weapons all this are together, put terrorism into a country to justify your attack

ken6488:
there is a theory hammas was created by isreal


Boko haram stili use french weapons all this are together, put terrorism into a country to justify your attack

That's the thing.