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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Starboytwo(m): 6:37am On Nov 08, 2023
Danielnino00:


Here we go!
Voting of Members of the Nomination Committee
Gentlemen and ladies of the thread, it is time for us to vote for those who will stand as representatives of this thread and partake in the selection of award categories and award nominees.
This year, the nomination committee will be made up of at least 7 members: myself, icon4s who pioneered the award will continue as an honorary member of the committee and at least 5 monikers from this thread.
Every member of this thread is eligible to vote and be voted for. But let's keep in mind that this isn't a popularity contest. Vote for those you believe have the knowledge and passion for Nigerian football.
Here's the rule for voting:
1) You're to vote for 5 monikers from this thread to join the committee;
2) Vote the monikers in order of preference, from top to bottom;
3) Points will be awarded to each moniker you vote for. Your first nominee gets 5 point, the second gets 4 points, the third gets 3 points, fourth gets 2 points and fifth gets 1 point.
4) At the end of the voting process, the five monikers with the most points will join the committee;
5) In the event that two or more monikers are tied on points, they will all be added to the committee, as the goal is to have as many monikers to contribute to the process.
6) You're allowed to nominate yourself šŸ˜‰

Voting closes on Wednesday, November 8th 2023, 10pm Nigerian time.

Thank you.
Morning boss.
Charlesemeka85
Thesupernerd
Kog45
Andsungorilla
Majoribanks

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 7:31am On Nov 08, 2023
IDENNAA:


From nowhere you just called someone "ezi"
You have a mental illness or something ?
Pls Sir,ā€eziā€what is the meaning
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 8:23am On Nov 08, 2023
Danielnino00:


Here we go!
Voting of Members of the Nomination Committee
Gentlemen and ladies of the thread, it is time for us to vote for those who will stand as representatives of this thread and partake in the selection of award categories and award nominees.
This year, the nomination committee will be made up of at least 7 members: myself, icon4s who pioneered the award will continue as an honorary member of the committee and at least 5 monikers from this thread.
Every member of this thread is eligible to vote and be voted for. But let's keep in mind that this isn't a popularity contest. Vote for those you believe have the knowledge and passion for Nigerian football.
Here's the rule for voting:
1) You're to vote for 5 monikers from this thread to join the committee;
2) Vote the monikers in order of preference, from top to bottom;
3) Points will be awarded to each moniker you vote for. Your first nominee gets 5 point, the second gets 4 points, the third gets 3 points, fourth gets 2 points and fifth gets 1 point.
4) At the end of the voting process, the five monikers with the most points will join the committee;
5) In the event that two or more monikers are tied on points, they will all be added to the committee, as the goal is to have as many monikers to contribute to the process.
6) You're allowed to nominate yourself šŸ˜‰

Voting closes on Wednesday, November 8th 2023, 10pm Nigerian time.

Thank you.

Voting closes at 10pm Nigerian time today!.
Please if you haven't voted yet, do so now...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 8:37am On Nov 08, 2023
charlesemeka85:
The Alhassan I watched against porto is good enough to be in the current super eagles team

Jpes should do the needful by inviting the lad.
he is back to his best

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tessyy1701: 9:24am On Nov 08, 2023
Danielnino00:


Here we go!
Voting of Members of the Nomination Committee
Gentlemen and ladies of the thread, it is time for us to vote for those who will stand as representatives of this thread and partake in the selection of award categories and award nominees.
This year, the nomination committee will be made up of at least 7 members: myself, icon4s who pioneered the award will continue as an honorary member of the committee and at least 5 monikers from this thread.
Every member of this thread is eligible to vote and be voted for. But let's keep in mind that this isn't a popularity contest. Vote for those you believe have the knowledge and passion for Nigerian football.
Here's the rule for voting:
1) You're to vote for 5 monikers from this thread to join the committee;
2) Vote the monikers in order of preference, from top to bottom;
3) Points will be awarded to each moniker you vote for. Your first nominee gets 5 point, the second gets 4 points, the third gets 3 points, fourth gets 2 points and fifth gets 1 point.
4) At the end of the voting process, the five monikers with the most points will join the committee;
5) In the event that two or more monikers are tied on points, they will all be added to the committee, as the goal is to have as many monikers to contribute to the process.
6) You're allowed to nominate yourself šŸ˜‰

Voting closes on Wednesday, November 8th 2023, 10pm Nigerian time.

Thank you.

1. Sir KOG45
2. TheGoodJoe
3. Supernerd
4. Lovewins
5. AndsunGorilla

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 9:34am On Nov 08, 2023
In the African context especially Nigeria players don't always have the opportunity and exposure like their European counterparts and such you can't 100% apply selection methods in those other countries to how it is here.

A player who everyone in the coaching crew has assessed and believe can offer something to the national team shouldn't always be denied just because of the level they are playing at or club situation.

Sometimes top quality for whatever reason doesn't always translate from club football to national team. Could be structure of the team, attitude of the player, bad karma you name it. That's why a less profile player sometimes fills in the gap.

The Mikel example I gave before prior to 2006 AFCON nobody could guarantee that an inactive clubless player would shine for us a risk that eventually paid off.

Meritocracy will continue to be the standard for choosing players however leeway should be made for one or two exceptional diamonds in the rough where applicable.

At the moment the SE lacks quality GKs, CBs, CMs so it wouldn't harm giving one or two individuals a chance to prove themselves and if they are not good enough we move on.

komekn:


Not sure what you mean by talented and ability is always by comparison not isolation.

If you have an outstanding consistent top quality player in the league and it cannot be translated to success. Then there immediately becomes questions about the team management and coach not just the player.

Imagine having Harry Kane and or Lewondoski and they don't score for several games in the national team. You will look more at the team management and coach as opposed to just the player.

The issue of TALENT as you put it, Ishihara not obviously apparent that Boniface is not just talented but consistently outstanding.

Who is therefore more talented and deserving of a national team call šŸ¤™šŸæ up ā“

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:48am On Nov 08, 2023
Tessyy1701:


1. Sir KOG45
2. TheGoodJoe
3. Supernerd
4. Lovewins
5. Danielnino00
Chief, kindly modifiy your list, as I'm already a member of the committee

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:51am On Nov 08, 2023
Osimhen likely to be back in training this week

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by ChrisKels: 11:55am On Nov 08, 2023
I have never seen a Nigerian player either home bred or foreign bred speak as intelligently as Jerome Akor Adams. Damn that boy is super bright.

I don't even wanna talk about his fluency in English language even though he hasn't lived in an English speaking country before, besides being born here in Nigeria. It is hard to believe he didn't go beyond secondary school education.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by IDENNAA(m): 12:24pm On Nov 08, 2023
Kog45:
Pls Sir,ā€eziā€what is the meaning

A pig , sir
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by semid4lyfe(m): 12:52pm On Nov 08, 2023
ChrisKels:
I have never seen a Nigerian player either home bred or foreign bred speak as intelligently as Jerome Akor Adams. Damn that boy is super bright.

I don't even wanna talk about his fluency in English language even though he hasn't lived in an English speaking country before, besides being born here in Nigeria. It is hard to believe he didn't go beyond secondary school education.

Him papa na school teacher/principal

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:59pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
In the African context especially Nigeria players don't always have the opportunity and exposure like their European counterparts and such you can't 100% apply selection methods in those other countries to how it is here.

A player who everyone in the coaching crew has assessed and believe can offer something to the national team shouldn't always be denied just because of the level they are playing at or club situation.

Sometimes top quality for whatever reason doesn't always translate from club football to national team. Could be structure of the team, attitude of the player, bad karma you name it. That's why a less profile player sometimes fills in the gap.

The Mikel example I gave before prior to 2006 AFCON nobody could guarantee that an inactive clubless player would shine for us a risk that eventually paid off.

Meritocracy will continue to be the standard for choosing players however leeway should be made for one or two exceptional diamonds in the rough where applicable.

At the moment the SE lacks quality GKs, CBs, CMs so it wouldn't harm giving one or two individuals a chance to prove themselves and if they are not good enough we move on.


You brought two contexts into play African and European.

You make a demarcation based on exposure and opportunity not sure exactly what you mean. But that for you is component that divides the two contexts Europe and Africa for you.

It's simplistic for me, remember Biblically speaking šŸ—£ļø whatever a man sows he will reap.

The advantage and benefit of Opportunity comes to those who work hard are diligent and prepared.

Micheal Beale was once assistant manager at Sao Paulo in Brazil. He was coaching the U12 development phase in Liverpool FC academy. He is fully qualified and experienced speaking a number of European languages. That is how important that development phase is considered by clubs.

Arsene Wenger once said that once a player is over 13 it's difficult to inculcate natural skill, technical ability ,first touch and flair.

Nigeria football āš½ development for me is still stuck back in the 80's . Infrastructure almost zero , coaching development not far off, local league development has regressed.

The world football is not at a standstill but Nigerian football āš½ is in terms of development gone backwards at worst static at best.

Most premier league and even some Championship football academies. Will train 4/5 times a week 2/3 hour sessions each from age 7/8 with top quality level coaches, they will play games and tournament across Europe even America.

I brought one of my friends to a Premier League academy u12 near 3 hour training session. He was astounded at the level of football intelligence, technical ability,skill , game management, physical fitness, etc.

Jude Bellingham was sponsored by Adidas at 13 , who have a data base of top potential players across Europe and the Americans from age 12. It's done with objective measurement and appraisal by top coaches.

There are certain basic skill sets that your average players coming out of an academy will have. Most Nigerian players will excel in some areas particularly athletic ability sometimes dribbling but have poor football intelligence and game management.

Our local coaches who don't have the same competencies as European coaches cannot produce the same thing with little or no infrastructure as well as coaching acumen.

But you want those limited knowledge local coaches to assess players and set up a team and decide who is best . If you have better players and you can't make them work sack the coach. Our coaches also unfortunately have conflicting interests and agendas.

I have noticed that when players from Nigeria get to top academies they don't hit the ground running they take time to learn and unlearn ( nonsense they have been taught in Nigeria) quite often.

Mikel obi was an exception hit the ground running but most struggle to find thier way and some never do unfortunately.

When V.O. first got to Wolfsburg he was completely out of his depth and at THAT TIME would not have got into any top academy.

I ADVISED he reinvent himself drop to a lower league, learn develop and then move up, when the his football education would be complete. That's exactly what he had done.

Iwobi went straight from Arsenal academy to the SE ,why he already had the football education to compete.

It should be the best players in the best clubs and leagues that should be selected. We are essentially ignoring better players for those who have stayed longer in the SE. In must cases without competition, that is enthroning MEDIOCRITY.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:15pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
In the African context especially Nigeria players don't always have the opportunity and exposure like their European counterparts and such you can't 100% apply selection methods in those other countries to how it is here.

A player who everyone in the coaching crew has assessed and believe can offer something to the national team shouldn't always be denied just because of the level they are playing at or club situation.

Sometimes top quality for whatever reason doesn't always translate from club football to national team. Could be structure of the team, attitude of the player, bad karma you name it. That's why a less profile player sometimes fills in the gap.

The Mikel example I gave before prior to 2006 AFCON nobody could guarantee that an inactive clubless player would shine for us a risk that eventually paid off.

Meritocracy will continue to be the standard for choosing players however leeway should be made for one or two exceptional diamonds in the rough where applicable.

At the moment the SE lacks quality GKs, CBs, CMs so it wouldn't harm giving one or two individuals a chance to prove themselves and if they are not good enough we move on.

bros players mostly are invited to national teams based on their form in their respective clubs

If u like make u be Okocha for national team but for club side you arenā€™t playing it will be difficult to attract invitation unless in special cases where better qualities are lacking in a particular position in the team

Like komkom said making it to top academies in europe no be childā€™s play for players straight from Africa. They learn and unlearn alot in order to make it.

African players are naturally talented but you need more than talent to make it in professional football most especially in this era that the game is more tactical and technical


Mikelā€™s case was different heading to 2006 afcon because he was already rated as a top class young star and the situation that limited him been inactive for his club then wasnā€™t his making. Mikel was included to the team just to understudy jay jay and oruma but fortunately enough he showed class in training which made him start some games in the tournament


I will say a good example is Garba Lawal because after Amuneke retired prematurely due to injuries the former was always invited to the national team not because he is the best both in his club and the super eagles but as of then he was the only left food winger we can boast of playing in europe. Also another edge he had was his ability to adapt and play in midfield from his natural position

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:16pm On Nov 08, 2023
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 1:38pm On Nov 08, 2023
We are saying the same thing but in different tones. What I'm saying is that there's the temptation to dismiss all home grown talent because they are at a disadvantage when it comes to facilities and local coaching. I'm insisting as difficult as it is one shouldn't close ones mind to giving a highly gifted Nigerian based player a chance because who knows if he gets the opportunity to shine he might go on to greater things.

Is there any guarantee it will work out? No, just like everything else in life. I've seen too many diamonds in the rough that have gone to achieve great things in the national team to be cynical of their potential.

Bruv grin you're still on this your revisionism. You know deep down within yourself that from the beginning you never rated Osimhen so I still chuckle every time you use the 'he took my advice' line to save face. Once again to clarify issues for anyone else reading this the reason why Osimhen struggled initially when he got to Europe was because of a combination events including injuries, change in managers, new environment just to mention a few. He was understandably down on confidence and he needed a place that would give him a run of games to build up his form. It wasn't that he was a poor player. The ability was always there he just needed a conducive environment to flourish.

For Iwobi he was already involved in the first team of Arsenal before his invitation plus the fact that Okocha was his uncle certainly didn't harm his chances. To Alex's credit his decent performances in the Gunners first team continued to earn him invites to the SE which he justified.

Excuse but who are the 'better players' that are currently being ignored? Please educate me.

komekn:


You brought two contexts into play African and European.

You make a demarcation based on exposure and opportunity not sure exactly what you mean. But that for you is component that divides the two contexts Europe and Africa for you.

It's simplistic for me, remember Biblically speaking šŸ—£ļø whatever a man sows he will reap.

The advantage and benefit of Opportunity comes to those who work hard are diligent and prepared.

Micheal Beale was once assistant manager at Sao Paulo in Brazil. He was coaching the U12 development phase in Liverpool FC academy. He is fully qualified and experienced speaking a number of European languages. That is how important that development phase is considered by clubs.

Arsene Wenger once said that once a player is over 13 it's difficult to inculcate natural skill, technical ability ,first touch and flair.

Nigeria football āš½ development for me is still stuck back in the 80's . Infrastructure almost zero , coaching development not far off, local league development has regressed.

The world football is not at a standstill but Nigerian football āš½ is in terms of development gone backwards at worst static at best.

Most premier league and even some Championship football academies. Will train 4/5 times a week 2/3 hour sessions each from age 7/8 with top quality level coaches, they will play games and tournament across Europe even America.

I brought one of my friends to a Premier League academy u12 near 3 hour training session. He was astounded at the level of football intelligence, technical ability,skill , game management, physical fitness, etc.

Jude Bellingham was sponsored by Adidas at 13 , who have a data base of top potential players across Europe and the Americans from age 12. It's done with objective measurement and appraisal by top coaches.

There are certain basic skill sets that your average players coming out of an academy will have. Most Nigerian players will excel in some areas particularly athletic ability sometimes dribbling but have poor football intelligence and game management.

Our local coaches who don't have the same competencies as European coaches cannot produce the same thing with little or no infrastructure as well as coaching acumen.

But you want those limited knowledge local coaches to assess players and set up a team and decide who is best . If you have better players and you can't make them work sack the coach. Our coaches also unfortunately have conflicting interests and agendas.

I have noticed that when players from Nigeria get to top academies they don't hit the ground running they take time to learn and unlearn ( nonsense they have been taught in Nigeria) quite often.

Mikel obi was an exception hit the ground running but most struggle to find thier way and some never do unfortunately.

When V.O. first got to Wolfsburg he was completely out of his depth and at THAT TIME would not have got into any top academy.

I ADVISED he reinvent himself drop to a lower league, learn develop and then move up, when the his football education would be complete. That's exactly what he had done.

Iwobi went straight from Arsenal academy to the SE ,why he already had the football education to compete.

It should be the best players in the best clubs and leagues that should be selected. We are essentially ignoring better players for those who have stayed longer in the SE. In must cases without competition, that is enthroning MEDIOCRITY.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:48pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
We are saying the same thing but in different tones. What I'm saying is that there's the temptation to dismiss all home grown talent because they are at a disadvantage when it comes to facilities and local coaching. I'm insisting as difficult as it is one shouldn't close ones mind to giving a highly gifted Nigerian based player a chance because who knows if he gets the opportunity to shine he might go on to greater things.

Is there any guarantee it will work out? No, just like everything else in life. I've seen too many diamonds in the rough that have gone to achieve great things in the national team to be cynical of their potential.

Bruv grin you're still on this your revisionism. You know deep down within yourself that from the beginning you never rated Osimhen so I still chuckle every time you use the 'he took my advice' line to save face. Once again to clarify issues for anyone else reading this the reason why Osimhen struggled initially when he got to Europe was because of a combination events including injuries, change in managers, new environment just to mention a few. He was understandably down on confidence and he needed a place that would give him a run of games to build up his form. It wasn't that he was a poor player. The ability was always there he just needed a conducive environment to flourish.

For Iwobi he was already involved in the first team of Arsenal before his invitation plus the fact that Okocha was his uncle certainly didn't harm his chances. To Alex's credit his decent performances in the Gunners first team continued to earn him invites to the SE which he justified.

Excuse but who are the 'better players' that are currently being ignored? Please educate me.

highly gifted home based player?šŸ«¤

Bro the best players in the local scene is in grassroot clubs/academies and NWL not the npfl. I wonder what gives you guys hope that such players are in the NPFL

The best players here are tapped mostly from grassroot clubs by European clubs even before they attain the age of 18-19

The last player I can remember who played in the NPFL and got signed by a club in a decent European league was Ahmed Musa when he moved from Kano Pillars to VV Venlo in the Dutch top tier
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 1:55pm On Nov 08, 2023
U17 world cup starting soon in Indonesia.

I had completely forgot about but one of my friends is going tomorrow morning.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 2:06pm On Nov 08, 2023
komekn:


You brought two contexts into play African and European.

You make a demarcation based on exposure and opportunity not sure exactly what you mean. But that for you is component that divides the two contexts Europe and Africa for you.

It's simplistic for me, remember Biblically speaking šŸ—£ļø whatever a man sows he will reap.

The advantage and benefit of Opportunity comes to those who work hard are diligent and prepared.

Micheal Beale was once assistant manager at Sao Paulo in Brazil. He was coaching the U12 development phase in Liverpool FC academy. He is fully qualified and experienced speaking a number of European languages. That is how important that development phase is considered by clubs.

Arsene Wenger once said that once a player is over 13 it's difficult to inculcate natural skill, technical ability ,first touch and flair.

Nigeria football āš½ development for me is still stuck back in the 80's . Infrastructure almost zero , coaching development not far off, local league development has regressed.

The world football is not at a standstill but Nigerian football āš½ is in terms of development gone backwards at worst static at best.

Most premier league and even some Championship football academies. Will train 4/5 times a week 2/3 hour sessions each from age 7/8 with top quality level coaches, they will play games and tournament across Europe even America.

I brought one of my friends to a Premier League academy u12 near 3 hour training session. He was astounded at the level of football intelligence, technical ability,skill , game management, physical fitness, etc.

Jude Bellingham was sponsored by Adidas at 13 , who have a data base of top potential players across Europe and the Americans from age 12. It's done with objective measurement and appraisal by top coaches.

There are certain basic skill sets that your average players coming out of an academy will have. Most Nigerian players will excel in some areas particularly athletic ability sometimes dribbling but have poor football intelligence and game management.

Our local coaches who don't have the same competencies as European coaches cannot produce the same thing with little or no infrastructure as well as coaching acumen.

But you want those limited knowledge local coaches to assess players and set up a team and decide who is best . If you have better players and you can't make them work sack the coach. Our coaches also unfortunately have conflicting interests and agendas.

I have noticed that when players from Nigeria get to top academies they don't hit the ground running they take time to learn and unlearn ( nonsense they have been taught in Nigeria) quite often.

Mikel obi was an exception hit the ground running but most struggle to find thier way and some never do unfortunately.

When V.O. first got to Wolfsburg he was completely out of his depth and at THAT TIME would not have got into any top academy.

I ADVISED he reinvent himself drop to a lower league, learn develop and then move up, when the his football education would be complete. That's exactly what he had done.

Iwobi went straight from Arsenal academy to the SE ,why he already had the football education to compete.

It should be the best players in the best clubs and leagues that should be selected. We are essentially ignoring better players for those who have stayed longer in the SE. In must cases without competition, that is enthroning MEDIOCRITY.

Iwobi went from Arsenal's academy to SE because he is Okocha's nephew not because of football education.

Osimhen only made 14 appearances for WolfsBurg, that can't be used to say he was out of his depth.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 2:10pm On Nov 08, 2023
If that Okocha is always performing for the national team his chances of getting a call up are always high no matter his club form.

Mikel case was truly that of living on past glory of youth football. We only hoped and assumed he will make it in senior football as of 2006 AFCON nobody was 100% certain he would blossom.

I like how you used the word understudy. I'm not advocating for a player to come and instantly be in the starting XI. I'm just appealing that once we spot a bright talent in the local scene that operates in the positions where we are currently crying out for quality he should be assessed to see if he measures up.

The Garba Lawal example you gave yes we know the Nigerian league is notoriously poor but you can't honestly tell me we couldn't have found some to compete with Lawal when no be say na Hazard or Figo kind player him be.

charlesemeka85:
bros players mostly are invited to national teams based on their form in their respective clubs

If u like make u be Okocha for national team but for club side you arenā€™t playing it will be difficult to attract invitation unless in special cases where better qualities are lacking in a particular position in the team

Like komkom said making it to top academies in europe no be childā€™s play for players straight from Africa. They learn and unlearn alot in order to make it.

African players are naturally talented but you need more than talent to make it in professional football most especially in this era that the game is more tactical and technical


Mikelā€™s case was different heading to 2006 afcon because he was already rated as a top class young star and the situation that limited him been active for his club then wasnā€™t his making. Mikel was included to the team just to understudy jay jay and oruma but fortunately enough he showed class in training which made him start some games in the tournament


I will say a good example is Garba Lawal because after Amuneke retired prematurely due to injuries the former was always invited to the national team not because he is the best both in his club and the super eagles but as of then he was the only left food winger we can boast of playing in europe. Also another edge he had was his ability to adapt and play in midfield from his natural position
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Tessyy1701: 2:12pm On Nov 08, 2023
Danielnino00:

Chief, kindly modifiy your list, as I'm already a member of the committee

Done
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:14pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
If that Okocha is always performing for the national team his chances of getting a call up are always high no matter his club form.

Mikel case was truly that of living on past glory of youth football. We only hoped and assumed he will make it in senior football as of 2006 AFCON nobody was 100% certain he would blossom.

I like how you used the word understudy. I'm not advocating for a player to come and instantly be in the starting XI. I'm just appealing that once we spot a bright talent in the local scene that operates in the positions where we are currently crying out for quality he should be assessed to see if he measures up.

The Garba Lawal example you gave yes we know the Nigerian league is notoriously poor but you can't honestly tell me we couldn't have found some to compete with Lawal when no be say na Hazard or Figo kind player him be.

past glory?šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ a player that shone in the WYC mid 2005 and made the afcon team months later u claim made the team based on past glory?

No be the same past glory mk united and Chelsea wan die put for em matter? Even when he wasnā€™t active few months to the afcon he emerged as one of our best players in that competition

Mikel no be your ordinary Nigerian talent bro. Bobo was a diamond and should be ranked with the likes of jay jay,kanu,osimhen,Enyeama etc as one of the very best we produced so far
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by codemaniacs: 2:16pm On Nov 08, 2023
ChrisKels:
I have never seen a Nigerian player either home bred or foreign bred speak as intelligently as Jerome Akor Adams. Damn that boy is super bright.

I don't even wanna talk about his fluency in English language even though he hasn't lived in an English speaking country before, besides being born here in Nigeria. It is hard to believe he didn't go beyond secondary school education.

Fluency in English is not a sign that a person is super bright.. that's colonial mentality.

His name has both Jerome and Adams in it that means he will align towards English and since english is an official language in Nigeria then he has to learn it.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 2:16pm On Nov 08, 2023
Etebo came from local league, you already mentioned Musa who's to say another one can't be discovered if our national team coaches put in the work?

For instance I still feel the solution to our current goalkeeping crisis lies in inviting one talented goalie and giving him all the support and confidence to succeed.

charlesemeka85:
highly gifted home based player?šŸ«¤

Bro the best players in the local scene is in grassroot clubs/academies and NWL not the npfl. I wonder what gives you guys hope that such players are in the NPFL

The best players here are tapped mostly from grassroot clubs by European clubs even before they attain the age of 18-19

The last player I can remember who played in the NPFL and got signed by a club in a decent European league was Ahmed Musa when he moved from Kano Pillars to VV Venlo in the Dutch top tier
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 2:24pm On Nov 08, 2023
No be so Nwakali shine for U17 win MVP untop grin

Guy forget let's just thank God things worked out cos taking Mikel to AFCON was a risk.

You sef think am say Eletu or Ebenezer no get get club na only u20 we see them play we come carry them go next year AFCON you think say Komekn no go para vex say he got report NFF and coaching crew to FIFA or World Court? grin

charlesemeka85:
past glory?šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£ a player that shone in the WYC mid 2005 and made the afcon team months later u claim made the team based on past glory?

No be the same past glory mk united and Chelsea wan die put for em matter? Even when he wasnā€™t active few months to the afcon he emerged as one of our best players in that competition

Mikel no be your ordinary Nigerian talent bro. Bobo was a diamond and should be ranked with the likes of jay jay,kanu,osimhen,Enyeama etc as one of the very best we produced so far

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:27pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
Etebo came from local league, you already mentioned Musa who's to say another one can't be discovered if our national team coaches put in the work?

For instance I still feel the solution to our current goalkeeping crisis lies in inviting one talented goalie and giving him all the support and confidence to succeed.

Etebo joined feirense in the portuguese 2nd tier mid season and luckily they gained promotion to the top tier at the end of that season

Musa moved straight from pillars to Venloā€™s first team

Coming to the goal keeping crises I said few weeks ago that itā€™s high time the nff and jpes looks inward to see if they can get any good enough to man the goal for the super eagles at this moment that those we hv in europe havenā€™t been convincing over the years
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:33pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
No be so Nwakali shine for U17 win MVP untop grin

Guy forget let's just thank God things worked out cos taking Mikel to AFCON was a risk.

You sef think am say Eletu or Ebenezer no get get club na only u20 we see them play we come carry them go next year AFCON you think say Komekn no go para vex say he got report NFF and coaching crew to FIFA or World Court? grin

he was called to camp where he impressed and made the list. Nwakali did same at the u17 while mikel balled both in the u17 and u20 where he rose to stardom

I first tipped Mikel for greatness after watching him at the 2003 u17 World Cup where the team unluckily didnā€™t make it out of the group stage. Mikel balled wella in that competition and would hv been well noticed if the team made it out of the group stage

It was in that competition that he attracted united and Chelsea. Even as a 16 year old he trained with Unitedā€™s first team after that competition and impressed even to the extend that united captain then Roy Keane took him under his wings and pressured fergie to sign the kid without hesitation

Mikel even said it in one of his recent interviews that keane looked after him and confronted the likes of scholes and Butt if they tackled him hard during training sections


And abeg no dey compare Eletu and Akinsanmiro to Mikel. Like I said in my previous post mikel was a rare talent that marveled the footballing world. Him no dey the same level as Eletu,Akinsanmiro or even nwakali
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by austineaddy: 2:52pm On Nov 08, 2023
1. Sir KOG45
2. TheGoodJoe
3. Supernerd
4. Bankygee
5. Chriskel

My nominees

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 2:57pm On Nov 08, 2023
You're still talking from a benefit of hindsight because Mikel turned out alright. He could have also been buried under the weight of expectations.

Mikel as at January 2006 was inactive so taking him to AFCON was a mega risk.

Why shouldn't I compare Eletu/Ebenezer's situation to Mikel? Ebenezer that was called up to the Inter first team squad after barely 5 months what do we call that?

charlesemeka85:
he was called to camp where he impressed and made the list. Nwakali did same at the u17 while mikel balled both in the u17 and u20 where he rose to stardom

I first tipped Mikel for greatness after watching him at the 2003 u17 World Cup where the team unluckily didnā€™t make it out of the group stage. Mikel balled wella in that competition and would hv been well noticed if the team made it out of the group stage

It was in that competition that he attracted united and Chelsea. Even as a 16 year old he trained with Unitedā€™s first team after that competition and impressed even to the extend that united captain then Roy Keane took him under his wings and pressured fergie to sign the kid without hesitation

Mikel even said it in one of his recent interviews that keane looked after him and confronted the likes of scholes and Butt if they tackled him hard during training sections


And abeg no dey compare Eletu and Akinsanmiro to Mikel. Like I said in my previous post mikel was a rare talent that made that marveled the footballing world. Him no dey the same level as Eletu,Akinsanmiro or even nwakali
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 2:59pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
You're still talking from a benefit of hindsight because Mikel turned out alright. He could have also been buried under the weight of expectations.

Mikel as at January 2006 was inactive so taking him to AFCON was a mega risk.

Why shouldn't I compare Eletu/Ebenezer's situation to Mikel? Ebenezer that was called up to the Inter first team squad after barely 5 months what do we call that?

no matter how you paint it to suit your narratives mikel was golden and shouldnā€™t be classed with the likes of Eletu, Akinsanmiro or even nwakali when he was at their age

It will only take something serious and special for great Alex Ferguson to abandon his tight schedule just to travel to Norway to watch mikel play and force him into signing a pre contract with United. Also for Chelsea to battle hard to get him from Unitedā€™s claws

I wonder that Nigerian midfielder who at mikelā€™s age when he joined Chelsea could make the first team months after arriving London.

A team that had essien,ballack,lampard and makalele but the lad fought hard to earn his place in the first team


Abeg no try compare obi to nwakali and co again if not I go carry ur name go Okija shrine šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 3:31pm On Nov 08, 2023
Bayern Leverkusen flying winger Nathan Tella has received his first-ever invitation to the Super Eagles as a direct replacement for the injured Samuel Chukwueze.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 3:32pm On Nov 08, 2023
You're still talking after the fact when he performed in AFCON. Infact it was his performance in 2006 AFCON that made people say ah this guy sabi.

You sef know say your arguments are sounding very Nwakalish grin

You say Ferguson sey Nwakali sef no snap picture with Wenger? A whole Arsene Wenger wey Sabi groom talent? grin

Jokes apart I'm glad Mikel was given a chance to prove himself and not excluded on the altar of 'encouraging mediocrity' cos twist it how you like nothing justified inviting a clubless player with only youth football experience to a whole a** tournament no matter how talented he was if we use Komekn's standard.

charlesemeka85:
no matter how you paint it to suit your narratives mikel was golden and shouldnā€™t be classed with the likes of Eletu, Akinsanmiro or even nwakali when he was at their age

It will only take something serious and special for great Alex Ferguson to abandon his tight schedule just to travel to Norway to watch mikel play and force him into signing a pre contract with United. Also for Chelsea to battle hard to get him from Unitedā€™s claws

I wonder that Nigerian midfielder who at mikelā€™s age when he joined Chelsea could make the first team months after arriving London.

A team that had essien,ballack,lampard and makalele but the lad fought hard to earn his place in the first team


Abeg no try compare obi to nwakali and co again if not I go carry ur name go Okija shrine šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 3:34pm On Nov 08, 2023
chrisooblog:
Etebo came from local league, you already mentioned Musa who's to say another one can't be discovered if our national team coaches put in the work?

For instance I still feel the solution to our current goalkeeping crisis lies in inviting one talented goalie and giving him all the support and confidence to succeed.

I think the problem with getting players from the NPFL into the super eagles now is that most of these players are looking for an easy route to play abroad. You invite one of them now, and in a few months, his agent would be looking for a club for him somewhere in the middle east or obscure European league.
Its either our league is no longer producing quality players good enough to make it into some decent European teams or the players and their agents are just impatient.

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