jaephoenix:

Before christianity came, were peoples' lives 'hopeless, purposeless and meaningless'? Matter of fact were your own ancestors 'hopeless, purposeless and meaningless' ?

Knowledge that we were made by someone fills our life with meaning knowing we are here for a purpose?
Was Abraham a Christian? Was Adam a Christian? Was Jesus a Christian?

Aemmyjah:



Show us the facts about evolution you drop. I mean proven fact

If the universe has a beginning which you accept, isn't it common sense for you to accept evolution?
Cc jaephoenix

cornelboy:

Tell me the comparison between a creator and what he created?
The universe and life is obviously the handiwork of an intelligent being.

A logical explanation is that the creator started everything. Both what we see and things beyond us. He wasn't created.
If there was a designer of the universe, he must not have been created.

Hear me, even if the designer or creator was created, the chain of creators still have to start from a person.
It can never be an infinite loop.

No this is not logical. Its a fallacy of special pleading.
Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception.
The most common example of Special Pleading is when someone breaks a rule and then attempts to justify their actions by claiming that they are special and should be exempt.

jaephoenix:


1. Yes science understands rain so much scientists can create artificial rain. I'm sure you don't know that. So its not a product of chance. No, the Great Ape has complex eyes
2. <silence>

1. Science still does not understand much about the formation of rain. The Bible writer who describe the rain formation said that no one can know it. Today, scientists say that they still don't know and understand much on how rain was formed. Check internet to confirm what I said or you pay me to show you evidence

2...

jaephoenix:

If you are truly a female, then this is the smartest female character on Nairaland. And I'm not a sexist.
I couldn't have handled the argument better than you

The song of a drunk is romantic in the ears of another drunk. He will be mad seeing that sober people are not listening to it

Aemmyjah:


The song of a drunk is romantic in the ears of another drunk. He will be mad seeing that sober people are not listening to it

I wonder who is listening to the creationists story apart from their fellow mad people in watchtower.

cornelboy:

Leave am. Physical being wan explain spirit being

With his stupid, childish questions?
Like a lonely child desperately looking for someone to play with
You better ask him to go and write application letter to any company to employ him cos it's as if his brain is getting dusty
He's asking me the function of the mind
Asking me if we were taught in school thst the universe had a beginning?

If your science or philosophy teacher tells you that the universe is 14 billion years old, person wey get sense no go sabi say there was a time there was no universe about 14 billion years ago?

The other day, he made comments asking where God got the materials to make the universe? Did he reason same towards evolution?
SIRTee15 has been kindly resetting his brain but when you wash a pig clean and he keeps going back to play in the mud. It's best to allow him do what pleases him

cornelboy:

Lol what's the mind?

As if he can explain how the human mind works
Na evolution give us mind na

Aemmyjah:


The other day, he made comments asking where God got the materials to make the universe? Did he reason same towards evolution?
SIRTee15 has been kindly resetting his brain but when you wash a pig clean and he keeps going back to play in the mud. It's best to allow him do what pleases him

You are just regurgitating what your watchtower slave masters taught you.

So your god created everything from nothing?


Even your daddy, SIRTee15, is my boy.

Aemmyjah:


As if he can explain how the human mind works
Na evolution give us mind na

You don't even know the definition of mind to start with.

Na from clay wey dey Eden we get mind from 😂

jaephoenix:

No this is not logical. Its a fallacy of special pleading.
Special pleading is an informal fallacy wherein one cites something as an exception to a general or universal principle, without justifying the special exception.
The most common example of Special Pleading is when someone breaks a rule and then attempts to justify their actions by claiming that they are special and should be exempt.

Lol okay you're killing it

jaephoenix:

Reread what I said. I wrote that some pregnancies can kill their mothers. I guess you don't know we advice some mothers to terminate their pregnancies to save their own lives, if not they die. How come such a designer knew this and still gave the woman the baby?

There's must be a cause for that. Normally a woman possess the ability to get pregnant and give birth. Same with female animals. There must be a complication somewhere.

Do the cases of abnormalities in pregnancy prove that life is without a creator?

cornelboy:

There's must be a cause for that. Normally a woman possess the ability to get pregnant and give birth. Same with female animals. There must be a complication somewhere.

Do the cases of abnormalities in pregnancy prove that life is without a creator?

He knows why women have difficulty in labor. Someone has brainwashed him to think that childbirth is as easy as defecating

cornelboy:

You own logic and science taught you that humans evolved the thumbs abi?
Oya prove it here

Evolution is simply an adaptation of an organism to its environment. The apposable thumb evolved from that of an ancestor with non apposable because of how skilled our work has been. The powerful thumb that characterizes the human hand evolved only in some fossil hominin species around 2 million years ago. You can see those fossils yourself if you want. Those are evidence you can always verify, unlike what your Babble said
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/human-origins/understanding-our-past/living-primates/the-grasping-hand

cornelboy:

Na lie ogbeni.
I don't have to be religious or non religious before I know that the universe couldn't have come by chance. All it takes is a working brain.

Another fallacy.
Religion tells you to believe without seeing, doesn't it?

Aemmyjah:


Sorry for lying against you
They found it in my dog's cage
Even when you see evidence, you ask stupid questions
Maybe you'll ask me the name of the person that found the stone

Ogbeni bring the evidence

Thorrn:



Well, if it's "some" and not "all", then you should be careful trying to insist that your beliefs are universal fact.



Says the guy who started a public thread to prove the existence of his favorite sky fairy. Here's a little secret for you, child. Do you want to know the real reason you created this topic? It's because you are actually seeking to validate and/or reinforce your beliefs. Nobody compelled you to start this topic. You started it because you want people to consider your position as justified by your Bible, else you'd keep it to yourself.



Congratulations. Hats off to you.



And they could all be wrong, which would be as good as you just saving everyone the trouble, including yourself, and dropping nothing at all.



Moi?



I didn't drop anything at all because my position doesn't require me to do so. I'm not the one with the burden of proof here. YOU are. You made the claims, so you must prove them. My only job here is to call out bullshit when I see it. If your logic is solid, then I support it. Simples.



Someone who values facts and objectivity. Someone with a desire for establishing truth and dismantling baseless fiction.



It's the second time in a row that you're spouting this rhetoric, and it is as boring as it is asinine. The only person whose existence lacks any inherent value is the poor sod who can't envision a life without an imaginary friend. If this is the new angle you're going to take as pertaining to this discussion, then it only indicates that you've run out of any ammo needed to sustain your initial position. You're out of your depth in your own thread. How sad.

Again, did a good job of handling these bumbling sods.
See, It's rare to see cerebral females of Nairaland. Closest I have seen is 1Sharon. You're the bomb.

Aemmyjah:


When yoh have no evidence, you must Remain silence

Like you have remained silent on the evidence for field of Abram stone bah. Bwahahahahaha!

Aemmyjah:


You have not presented any concise points
If you like, drop a millions words and keep blowing hot like a mad Bison

Like she said, she doesn't need to. You're the one that opened a thread and made a claim. The burden of proof thus lies squarely on your half-arsed shoulders to back your claims. And she has already said SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW THE UNIVERSE CAME ABOUT which is the same position I take. Thus which point does she need to present?
Look, if logical reasoning and scientific approach is a problem for you folks, then fix it and stop bothering busy folks with inanity

Aemmyjah:


Too much Grammer without presenting anything to counter the OP claim

She has countered your claims here, at least twice.
Not only are you lot dvmb but you have poor comprehension skills too. Its a chore debating with you folks

Aemmyjah:



Spirituality is universal in every nation, language groups,...
Not all are atheists either
Keep fooling

What's the meaning of this gibberish?

Aemmyjah:



To keep reminding you that with all your wailings
Drop atleast one evidence

Evidence of what?

Thorrn:


It's clear from this post that you're not even following up on the discussion in this thread, despite the fact that YOU started it. This is real comedy here .

You ask that I show "evidence". "Evidence" for what? Let's start from there.

Same question I asked him. Its unfortunate how poor comprehension skills with dump knowledge of science can make an adult the same as a cold wet stone

Thorrn:


Show me where I made such a claim.

You literally have nothing else so now you have to tell bare faced lies, don't you? Lol!

You're flinging all sorts of bullshit in the hope that it sticks. I suppose I should be expecting the kitchen sink to come flying next .

He kept on making wild claim lies about me so much I answered him 3 times and subsequently kept quiet anytime he says the bullshyt

Thorrn:


Given your constant reliance on logical fallacies to advance your argument, in tandem with your obstinacy and inability to stick to a single line of discussion, I think it's safe to say that your opinion on what constitutes good debate isn't worth a pile of shit. I'd rather listen to Cardi B give a lecture on Quantum Physics .

You'd be surprised Cardi talks good Quantum Physics in her W.A.P. than Aemmyjah and DTruthSpeaker lumped together

jaephoenix:

You'd be surprised Cardi talks good Quantum Physics in her W.A.P. than Aemmyjah and DTruthSpeaker lumped together

Why do you think you are part of everything since you exist?

Maynman should answer that too

jaephoenix:

Right. Had to watch the video again slower.

So you didn't watch it properly in the first place before you lied that he didn't mention divinity.

Dude said "Its magic, its a mystery, its divinity"

Imagine, he is DUDE to you.

Well, this exposed your first lie.

Now the questions….
Do you notice he said its magic too, and its a mystery, and its divine.

Where is the question?

He did not say its created by any god.

But it's DIVINITY

I guess, you don't understand the meaning of DIVINITY.

He's simply saying the embryology is a marvel.

And beyond any Human comprehension and Divinity.

For those of us in the field that understands it, its not a wonder.

But it's beyond your comprehension.

He also lied when he said the process makes no mistakes.

He didn't lie.

The process of embryo formation is fraught with many mistakes. Some mistakes are fatal, some are not.

Everyone knows this but the point is EVOLUTION can't achieve that process.

If you insist the process is god-driven then you are further indicting your god by saying he's a bumbling old fooool that can't get his shit together

As usual, started throwing insult because of hatred. The point is, evolution can't achieve embryo development.

jaephoenix:

You'd be surprised Cardi talks good Quantum Physics in her W.A.P. than Aemmyjah and DTruthSpeaker lumped together

Yet we both know much better than you who does not even know anything beyond making sentences.

jaephoenix:

Another fallacy.
Religion tells you to believe without seeing, doesn't it?

Nah it's not a fallacy. Hear me again, I don't have to be religious or non religious before I reason that the universe and life couldn't have come by chance but the product of someone's intelligence.
Come to think of it, if life came by chance and not designed by someone, how come scientists with all the great knowledge available today can't create a replica of a simple living cell?
Life itself is a miracle undoubtedly. You might not agree though but it wouldn't matter.

Water boils at 100°C at sea level. That's a fact. I can go to my kitchen with some simple apparatus and prove it myself that it really boils at that degree. That's a proven fact.

The evolution theory still remain a theory today. Not all scientists accept the theory. There's no prove for it but mere assumptions which I call "science myths".

You guys label believers in a God as dumb whereas you guys are as dumb as you think we are.
You believe in evolution theory just because it was written by a scientist without any solid evidence to back it up. How do you expect someone in his right mind to accept that the thumb evolved? I would rather believe that the thumb had been there all along.

Now lemme talk about "believe".
Believing in a thing or the other is part of our everyday life. It doesn't matter whether you're an atheist or not.
When you get out of bed in the morning, you have a believe that your car won't crash on the road, you believe you would come back home safely. You believe your wife wouldn't cheat on you etc.
You don't see or know all these things but you believe or trust.

Have you gone out of the earth before, is it really a sphere like science says?
Though there are obvious reasons to believe that the earth is spherical, like the rotation and revolution effects, the spherical shape of bodies like the moon or the sun, if I were to go by your logic, I would disregard all these and would only believe the earth is spherical when I leave the earth and take a picture myself.

Do you have a mind, can you see it, does it exist?

cornelboy:

Nah it's not a fallacy. Hear me again, I don't have to be religious or non religious before I reason that the universe and life couldn't have come by chance but the product of someone's intelligence.
Come to think of it, if life came by chance and not designed by someone, how come scientists with all the great knowledge available today can't create a replica of a simple living cell?
Life itself is a miracle undoubtedly. You might not agree though but it wouldn't matter.

Water boils at 100°C at sea level. That's a fact. I can go to my kitchen with some simple apparatus and prove it myself that it really boils at that degree. That's a proven fact.

The evolution theory still remain a theory today. Not all scientists accept the theory. There's no prove for it but mere assumptions which I call "science myths".

You guys label believers in a God as dumb whereas you guys are as dumb as you think we are.
You believe in evolution theory just because it was written by a scientist without any solid evidence to back it up. How do you expect someone in his right mind to accept that the thumb evolved? I would rather believe that the thumb had been there all along.

Now lemme talk about "believe".
Believing in a thing or the other is part of our everyday life. It doesn't matter whether you're an atheist or not.
When you get out of bed in the morning, you have a believe that your car won't crash on the road, you believe you would come back home safely. You believe your wife wouldn't cheat on you etc.
You don't see or know all these things but you believe or trust.

Have you gone out of the earth before, is it really a sphere like science says?
Though there are obvious reasons to believe that the earth is spherical, like the rotation and revolution effects, the spherical shape of bodies like the moon or the sun, if I were to go by your logic, I would disregard all these and would only believe the earth is spherical when I leave the earth and take a picture myself.

Do you have a mind, can you see it, does it exist?

Is there really an everything in existence?

jaephoenix:

Evolution is simply an adaptation of an organism to its environment. The apposable thumb evolved from that of an ancestor with non apposable because of how skilled our work has been. The powerful thumb that characterizes the human hand evolved only in some fossil hominin species around 2 million years ago. You can see those fossils yourself if you want. Those are evidence you can always verify, unlike what your Babble said
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/permanent/human-origins/understanding-our-past/living-primates/the-grasping-hand

Lol everything you said and in the link only makes sense to you but not me lol.

Were is the evidence? That someone put up a story is the evidence lmfao 🤣

I believe the creator created the first pair of human with their thumbs. I'll never believe humans evolved their thumbs.
Have you see the fossils before in real life? Have you seen the fossils of humans without the thumbs? How are you sure about the accuracy of the dating? 2 millions years ago is not real lol.

What have humans evolved since then?

HellVictorinho6:


Why do you think you are part of everything since you exist?

Maynman should answer that too

Did I say so?