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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 9:35pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


In our earlier argument about the Field of Abram, what did you say? grin cool
Field of Abram is fictional, I just researched it. No historical evidence of Abraham exists

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 9:40pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:



Sometimes, it's better you ignore him or you call SIRTee15 to come and reset his head for him.

The most sophisticated computer, even a spacecraft, is not even up to half of the brains of a Housefly. Yet someone says robots are as intelligent as Humans. He's a disgrace to himself, to atheists too


Lemme tag them sef
Jaephoenix
LordReed
Maynman said that

Robots are as intelligent as humans.
I'm tagging you for two reasons, he is a fellow atheist and you are the most intelligent people on nairaland (in reverse order)
Do you agree with that statement? cheesy grin grin
ChatGPT is obviously smarter than you, never mind Sophia
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 9:46pm On Nov 11, 2023
Thorrn:




You can continue repeating yourself until you are blue in the face. Meanwhile, here's a bullet point summary of our correspondence so far:

1. You claimed that the Bible answers the question: "Does God exist?"
>>> I pointed out that the Bible does not qualify as sufficient proof because it commits the circular reasoning fallacy called "begging the question". I gave examples using the Iliad and Odyssey as poor proofs of the existence of Greek deities. You gave no response.

2. You highlighted order in the universe as proof that the universe was designed
>>> I used logical syllogism to deconstruct your argument and showed that (a) there are instances where the universe doesn't show orderliness as is generally understood, (b) that your use of the word "design" is problematic when we have never witnessed the design of something similar in nature and scope with the known universe, and (c) that even we could establish with certainty that the universe was created, it could have been something else rather than your God. You gave no response.

3. Failing to offer any counters to number 2 above, you started groaning about how atheists live meaningless lives
>>> I debunked your claims citing an article detailing the results of a 2019 Pew Research study. You gave no response.

4. Lost and defeated, you then made up lies about me claiming that everything came from nothing
>>> I asked you to show me anywhere I said such a thing. And guess what? You gave no response.

In light of the foregoing, it is obvious that YOU are the one who has continuously failed to counter anything presented so far in our conversation. So whenever you're ready to put on your big boy pants and face the debate, you know where to begin. I've assisted you in summarizing our conversation so far in this single post.

Let's hear your next excuse?
Dont hold your breath, he's not gonna take up the challenge. He's not mentally capable of handling this task of answering the questions. You see, many (if not most) theists have problems processing logics. For some reasons, they can't make logical conclusions or arguments without falling into many fallacious pits.
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 9:48pm On Nov 11, 2023
Image123:


What is your definition of "triggered" because i don't see where i got triggered. i simply replied your post.
i did not mention the koran, neither did i say i do not want it quoted. i said i would not normally argue with a muslin about Mohammed.
If a muslim puts up a thread about Mohammed, i would ignore it. i hope this is clearer and straigh forward enough.
Good. You would ignore it. Why?
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 9:53pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:



1. Feces is the product of egestion. Other waste products of excretion like urea and urine and salts are removed from the body to maintain balance.
With your foolish illustration, the exhaust from a car? Was it someone that made it?

2. Ask your wife or mum if labor was easy. Fake student learning from fake teacher
1. I asked you if it was Yahweh that digested your food, not only did you not answer my question but you set another trap for yourself. Yes, the exhaust from a car was made by the car.
For the second time, answer my question.
2. Another stupid post. What has the ease of labor got to do with the fact that you call gynecologists 'gyne doctor' instead of 'gyne'. Are you this dense and stuuupid in life?
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 9:54pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Michael Jordan cheesy
Ok
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 9:55pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:



No one knows
If you are not sure of something, why do you teach it as fact or mock others convictions
Do you know what a theory is? Dullard, look it up. If your theory doesn't hold water why won't I mock it?
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 10:15pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:



I dropped points that are easily understood by everyone


1. The Bible unlike the books you mentioned is not a myth as places people, events mentioned in it as historical. What is says regarding science like the, the law of gravity, DNA, shape of the Earth and the earth not been supported by anything is accurate even when science and the common people were saying something different. What it predicted about the future was accurate and happened. Before you mention other books, investigate them to see if they have such characteristics

2. The universe is a wonder of design, order, organization. It also has laws that govern it like movement of planetary bodies... It has cycles as well that regulate ecosystems... Olodo like you, poor debater like you says there are instances where universe does not show orderliness. If yu go to a house and see that some parts of it are not in order,you'll conclude the house had no builder. Poor, low IQ individual. With this kind of thinking, you're passing judgment on me?

2. Publish the results na
If your own reverse brain tells you that everything ij the Natural world came to be by a mindless process, it is your own problem. If you reject the that everything including life has no designer, you should accept that your existence is really meaningless, useless and purposeless and without direction or hope.


What I mentioned is not directed towards Christians. Religious people do not reject the existence of the Creator. I presented extra biblical points, there are still more.
If you attack me for saying that God exists when we perceive what is made, what then is your own argument? Abi na your Papa I suppose credit? Stop reasoning from your bottom

1. The Bible isn't used as a historical source. When you studied history, was any religious books used? The bible said the earth is flat, that it has ends, and is stood on structures. It said nothing about gravity, and of course, never predicted the future. In an earlier thread , I asked you before to point the passages that predicted the future and of course you went mute.

2. You absolutely don't understand the point she made. She simply asked you to point to an orderly universe, and lets compare to ours. That is the only way we can conclude our universe is orderly.
For example, if you don't know how a clean shirt looks like, how would you say your shirt is clean?
This analogy seems to complex for simpletons like you to comprehend.

3. Both of us(Thornn and I) have told you countless times on this thread that we dont know how the universe came about. But it doesn't stop you from lying once again we said it came by a mindless process. And what has rejection of creationism got to do with purpose in life? Do you use band aid to keep your brain together?

4. Actually many religious reject creationism. In fact, the propagator of Big Bang was a priest. The Catholic Church has accepted evolution. Indeed, most Muslims say they believe in evolution.
Although "Gallup reports that 46% of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form less than 10,000 years ago", it found "only 11% belong to religions openly rejecting evolution." With this approach toward evolution, scriptural creation stories are typically interpreted as being allegorical in nature.

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 10:17pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:



Good
Now
Without me showing Jaephoenix, he can conclude that I was not saying anything false especially seeing that you could not refute it
You're a class clown. This discourse gas dragged to 3 pages and we have been asking you to provide the evidence, but you keeping on spilling crap all over the place
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 10:19pm On Nov 11, 2023
budaatum:


Good idea a thread. That way it won't get lost in the ignorance

Here's 101. In case it's worth continuing.
https://www.nairaland.com/5238668/evolution-101
Whoa. Never seen it before. Quite long

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 10:21pm On Nov 11, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


I am certainl you can see how now real you have spoken foolishly in jumping into a matter you lack the intelligence for most especially as the person I spoke to clearly got what I said and properly and reasonably addressed the issues i raised where you as usual, speak off point.

The guy is clearly an atheist yet he has properly held on to the rules of argument which you know nothing of except whatever understanding that you are able to glean from Google.

So as I have always told you, go amd learn how to argue properly.
Lol. And she has kicked you in the butt once again for being daft. Kudos
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 10:21pm On Nov 11, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Clearly I do know God is Real and most certainly exists and my first proof is simply on the ground that it is seen and clearly proven that it is impossible for a thing in this world to create itself.
So who created 'god'?
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 10:34pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


The universe had a beginning and that is something scientists agree on right? It only corroborate everything the Bible says. Genesis 1:1
The universe is said to be expanding too
The universe is eternal

Now, the universe cannot be the effect of its own existence. It is either caused by something eternal or someone eternal?
Something half a brain understand but your dark head won't allow little light to understand anything.
We don't even know 1% of our vast universe. Na the Designer yo wan comprehend about. Can a robot comprehend his human maker in robotic terms? Can a pet know everything about his owner with his understanding? Na the designer of the Earth you wan sabi with your sheepish understanding
1. The universe materialized literally out of nothing, at a tiny but finite size, and expanded thereafter. There were no moments before the moment of smallest size because there was no “before.” Likewise, there was no “creation” of the universe, since that concept implies action in time.
You keep on cherrypicking on science. Its either you disbelieve it or believe it. No fence sitters.
Big Bang Theory doesn't allow the concept of a creator.
Pets know their owners more than the owners know themselves. They know their smell, favorite chairs, etc. Also robots know their owners. Popular example is Sophia. Let me assume i dont know the creator, so how do you, a fellow creature like me with a 'sheepish understanding', know in fact that a creator exists, and in fact knows this creator's mind etc?
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 10:34pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:



1. Today, Abiogenesis is proven fact. Yes or No?
Its a theory, dvllard
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 11:55pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


1. The internet is free to getting any info you want. If you really want to know, search it or remain ignorant

2. Same as 1 above

3. All events that happened 4000 years ago are recorded by historians. True or False? Mention the ones you know cool

4. No Roman wrote the Bible. If you have common sense, you'll see that Christianity was corrupted and later used as a tool by leaders and politicians to keep people under control and go to war...
Oga, the Bible did not say they were resurrected to life
1. I knew you'd say this. Its your regular recourse. Poor you. Lol 😆
You have no evidence. Yet you keep on putting up posts all over the place without providing a shred of evidence. If someone deign asks you to provide evidence, you send the person on a wild goose chase to look for your evidence. Check all the atheists here. Have you seen any of us send you to look for evidence for our own posts? Nope. Why? We are capable of looking up data and we can back up our points.
Now ask a theist to provide proof of his bullshit, he'll tell you to look it up. I have noticed this bullshyt from 3 christians here , and 4 offline Christian friends. Why argue if you don't have proof of your bullshyt?

2. Not all. Some events in the Egyptians period which pre-dates the bible were recorded. Yet the bible covers many centuries but precious lil evidence of the events that happened in that era. What does it tell you? grin

3. So who wrote the Bible? Please read a lil bit about Bible history. At least we agree on something. The bible is used as a corruption tool
4. You're still bent on lying about something that is in black and white? Men, I dey fear you true true. You guys should just see how dishonest this Aemmyjah is. A passage that is written in plain text is grossly twisted out of proportion. After saying King James is wrong, now I have shown you that virtually all the bible versions said the same thing, you still stuck to your guns. This time without an excuse grin
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 11:56pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


1. The internet is free to getting any info you want. If you really want to know, search it or remain ignorant

2. Same as 1 above

3. All events that happened 4000 years ago are recorded by historians. True or False? Mention the ones you know cool

4. No Roman wrote the Bible. If you have common sense, you'll see that Christianity was corrupted and later used as a tool by leaders and politicians to keep people under control and go to war...
Oga, the Bible did not say they were resurrected to life
1. I knew you'd say this. Its your regular recourse. Poor you. Lol 😆
You have no evidence. Yet you keep on putting up posts all over the place without providing a shred of evidence. If someone deign asks you to provide evidence, you send the person on a wild goose chase to look for your evidence. Check all the atheists here. Have you seen any of us send you to look for evidence for our own posts? Nope. Why? We are capable of looking up data and we can back up our points.
Now ask a theist to provide proof of his bullshit, he'll tell you to look it up. I have noticed this bullshyt from 3 christians here , and 4 offline Christian friends. Why argue if you don't have proof of your bullshyt?

2. Not all. Some events in the Egyptians period which pre-dates the bible were recorded. Yet the bible covers many centuries but precious lil evidence of the events that happened in that era. What does it tell you? grin

3. So who wrote the Bible? Please read a lil bit about Bible history. At least we agree on something. The bible is used as a corruption tool
4. You're still bent on lying about something that is in black and white? Men, I dey fear you true true. You guys should just see how dishonest this Aemmyjah is. A passage that is written in plain text is grossly twisted out of proportion. After saying King James is wrong, now I have shown you that virtually all the bible versions said the same thing, you still stuck to your guns. This time without an excuse grin
Look at you
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 11:57pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Your fathers were stupid? OK na
Baba Tinubu made thunder ⚡
Of course u resort to stupiid answers when you're caught

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 11:58pm On Nov 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Who's the more stupid one to give credit to a mindless process?
What do you mean by 'giving credit to a mindless process'?
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:00am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:




Body Weight
Skin Color
Allergies
Lung Function
Height

Convince us that you're a doctor and tell us the above cannot be affected by environmental factors?

Please explain how the phenotypic expressions I listed can be affected by the environment
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:05am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


1. My parents were the ones that made by brain and regulated them to control such processes.

2. Internet is your friend

1. Explain please

2. Lol 😆
This guy na clown. Hope whoever that is following this thread can now see Aemmyjah is a full blooded dvmmy. He makes wild claims, then asks you to looks for evidence backing his own wild claim. Lol 😆
You have no evidence.
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:06am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:



You're the god of density
Show us one parent that will tell you he created his children
I know plenty. Starting from me. I made my child grin

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:07am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


I do question science especially natural science. Many are proven facts. Some are wild, baseless fictions like evolu... grin
You don't even know any science. From my interaction with you, you're dvmber than a wet rock. So how can you question what you don't understand?

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:08am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


The universe is a product of mindless process. Yes or No?
<silence>

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Re: Does God Exist? by budaatum: 12:08am On Nov 12, 2023
jaephoenix:

Whoa. Never seen it before. Quite long

I guess a lot of people contributed to it.
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:08am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


When yoh have no evidence, you must Remain silence
Ok
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:14am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


1. Even a receptionist or sales boy that only finished secondary school can prescribe drugs to someone in the pharmacy. The person won't object cos he's not aware of the educational background. He assumes that everyone there knows about medicines and drugs. I appreciate the advice tho

2. My parents who created me helped me to digest food na. See someone that calls himself a doctor. Walahi, you're not a doctor. Even someone that runs errands in a hospital should know 'miracle of life'. It's very common term used by doctors including atheists. Even a chicken doctor will know. Tell me, what is the name of your hospital again? grin
Because you are able to predict the outcome of something means the process was very easy shey? Maybe i should create a Thread on the family section of Nairaland and ask 'A doctor said labor is a very easy process'. I'll then tag you so you can see the response grin grin grin... Fake, fake fake doctor

1. I have nothing to say to this grin

2. You obviously have difficulty understanding genetics. And you say you're a biologist. I wont go through that stress again. If I tell you my hospital, you would first put up your International passport here.
And yes, put up that thread on family section and tag known doctors on Nairaland, and me. Idiotta

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:16am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Is it a proven fact?
Note that it is taught in Biology classes
Many of the theories we were taught were demonstrated ij the lab or were shown on screen. Only one was not. The only one that we were told not the question else, we are not intelligent. Is that not indoctrination? Brainwashing?
Biological theories were demonstrated in labs? Jesus is Lord! grin
So how was the Biological Theory of Crime demonstrated in your lab 😆

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:20am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


1. That you never said the world came by chaos. That guy is really out of touch with reality. Fooling around Nairaland

2. I don't drop links. I cite them or drop screenshots. If you cannot do same, pls forget abarrit

3. Evolution was verified?
That the universe is a product of purposeful design is a lie? 😢 😂

1. <silence>
2. I asked if you read any of the evolution links I dropped
3. What has evolution got to do with design of universe?
See I'm weary of these circular reasoning. Henceforth you'll get silence from me for these stvpid questions

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:21am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:



Show us the facts about evolution you drop. I mean proven fact
For the umpteenth time, DID YOU READ ANY OF THE POSTS AND LINKS I POSTED? YES OR NO
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:23am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Knowledge that we were made by someone fills our life with meaning knowing we are here for a purpose?
Was Abraham a Christian? Was Adam a Christian? Was Jesus a Christian? grin grin grin
Humans made Sophia the AI. And she knows it. Does it automatically make Sophia's life meaningful? Lol

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:25am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:



1. Science still does not understand much about the formation of rain. The Bible writer who describe the rain formation said that no one can know it. Today, scientists say that they still don't know and understand much on how rain was formed. Check internet to confirm what I said or you pay me to show you evidence grin

2...
Show me where science said it. I'm not interested in running stvpid errands for numbskulls

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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:27am On Nov 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:



With his stupid, childish questions?
Like a lonely child desperately looking for someone to play with
You better ask him to go and write application letter to any company to employ him cos it's as if his brain is getting dusty
He's asking me the function of the mind
Asking me if we were taught in school thst the universe had a beginning?

If your science or philosophy teacher tells you that the universe is 14 billion years old, person wey get sense no go sabi say there was a time there was no universe about 14 billion years ago?

The other day, he made comments asking where God got the materials to make the universe? Did he reason same towards evolution?
SIRTee15 has been kindly resetting his brain but when you wash a pig clean and he keeps going back to play in the mud. It's best to allow him do what pleases him
Please where did SirTee15 reset his mind? I have only witnessed an interphase between the 2 on my thread and Maymann was schooling Sirtee how ChatGPT works. You really are a world renowned daft liar

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